The Merger: Two Adams � One Destiny: Ron Jones | TruthSeekah Podcast
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and bring on today's guest my friend Ron
Jones Rob welcome to the true seeker
podcast man thank you so much glad to be
here
good to have you we did a show a couple
weeks ago talking about the greater
things you know what did Jesus mean
about you shall do greater things and so
pretty good episode we had a good
discussion on that and then there was a
comment in the comment section where you
kind of gave this revelation that you
had about what Jesus really meant about
doing the greater things cuz in the
church realm we've heard so much about
what that means and so I read what you
post it and I was like man this is good
I'd love to have you on to talk about it
he's like well I got a book as well so
you sent me your book here the merger
we're talking about the two atoms one
destiny and which is a great subject I
think it's something that people need to
understand there's two natures right
that uh that are I say married it's
still there oh we're gonna talk about it
we're gonna talk about walking in the
spirit walking in in the newness of life
I know Sid Roth calls it one new man you
know of these people coming together me
and ice and your your DNA has
transformed into the second Adam so some
of that's foreign to people want to get
into that today but yeah man welcome to
the podcast thank you so much really
excited to be here and to talk about
whatever you want to talk about the book
or wherever you want to venture yeah
we'll start that it's a good starting
place man it's just a good subject
matter just due to Adams but I guess
just um give a quick intro who you are
what you bring to the table we'll start
there then we'll dive deep all right
well I'll just say that I've basically
been raised in the church and my
earliest memories and they're Assemblies
of God Church up in the northwest and so
the the charismatic move and Pentecostal
was was basically my my upbringing and
you know watching people operate and
function in the gifts of the Spirit and
military when I was 18 years old and did
11 years there then I did 23 years in
law enforcement the state of California
likewise I pastored a Word of Faith
Church for 10 years so I've kind of had
a mixture of operating out you know in
in the public and private sector as well
the church I've been retired from
secular employment for the last nine
years have been traveling and teaching
with the ministry the name of my
ministry is redemptive regeneration calm
about four and a half years ago is
October of 2015 I met a man who is now
my spiritual father and mentor man by
the name of doctor Obadiah and many in
the community know him as dr. Oh
and so for the last two years I'd been
traveling with him very blessed to do so
to learn and at times minister beside
him which is an incredible honor for me
having written the book the merger to
Adams one destiny it came out December
of 2017 and you know I cover a wide
spectrum of subject matter in it but the
basic premise is that everything that
happened to the fall of the first Adam
was reversed through the last Adam the
you know the Bible refers to the first
man in Genesis as the man the man the
man refers to Jesus as the Son of Man
and it refers to the first Adam in
Scripture as the first Adam and Jesus is
the last Adam and so there's this
comparison that just that is undeniable
in Scripture because Paul is the one who
brought it up first Corinthians 15 and
it's just an incredible thing to see
that everything Jesus did to reverse
what happened with the first Adam what
are some of the things that are reversed
there we know that the fall you know he
brought about death and decay Jesus
comes to bring life life more abundantly
everlasting life
health wellness peace I mean so much
stuff that came with the fall what are
some examples that stick out to you that
were reversed okay well if you if you
look at the parallel between the two I'd
like to compare them I think we know
that according to Luke chapter 3 and
verse 38 it refer
to the first Adam the man that God
created it refers to him and Adam the
son of God and so we also know that
Jesus is the Son of God so you have the
first Adam was the son of God and the
last Adam the son of God you have the
first a dove as a man created an image
and likeness of God you have the last
Adam who's got an image and likeness of
a man you have the first Adam who was
who ate of a tree the last Adam who died
on the tree
you have the first Adam who died as a
willful act of disobedience you have the
last Adam who died as a willful act of
obedience
you have the first Adam who returned to
the dust and then you have the last Adam
who did not see decay and came out of
the grave as as basically as humanity
restored and the singular body of what
was a singular body in the first Adam
lastly God told Adam that because you've
done this you will eat bread by the
sweat of your brow and and thorns and
thistles the ground will produce for you
well Jesus is the bread of life and he
put the thorns and thistles on his brow
and sweat drops of blood from his brow
everything was an item for item Adam for
Adam reversal and so when we learned to
walk as the last Adam versus the first
we're gonna find that the attributes of
the last Adam begin to manifest in our
life which is the full regeneration of
the human genome my identification
because it was the law of sin and death
that operated in the first Adam at the
fall it's the law of the spirit of life
in Christ which has made us free from
the law of sin to death that operates in
the body of the believer okay that's the
key word that I wanted to ask you about
so is that just for the believer those
who put their faith in Christ or is this
for us as a species as two human race
that's something that Christ did for
everyone or is there something that you
have to do to step into the second Adam
well the thing is this he did it for
everyone and it is universally available
but it is not Universal in its
application because one of the greatest
things since God created humanity and
His image and likeness and God is
sovereign it means that God created
humanity with a measure of sovereignty
and in his sovereignty he won't override
my that's the whole reason the fall was
allowed that's the whole reason we have
thousands upon thousands of
because the will of man has usurped the
will of God and God has allowed soft and
man who was a sovereign being to operate
sovereignly even against his will once
he gave the earth to the to Adam in the
sons of men he now has to work through
humanity in order to manifest or do
something in the earth so it is an act
that we have to willfully exercise our
will to engage which is the acceptance
of Christ to leave the first Adam a step
into the last Adam and uh I don't know
if you want to kind of break that down
because it sounds simple
we have people we've got so many
different Christian religions and
denominations who claim that they're in
that right now because they've accepted
Jesus as their Savior or whatever the
case is and but but they don't have the
fruits of this newness of life right
they don't whether it's the baptism of
the holy spirit with being endued with
power from on high is the thing that
they don't have I'm not sure I know that
there is right what is the difference
there with just someone saying yes well
I've accepted Jesus I love Jesus but
they haven't stepped into this union
with the Christ in me as the hope of
glory and and experience in that what's
the difference for those people well
it's really because we are sovereign
being for the sovereign will in the
earth it is through our partnership it
is through a concerted effort to have
relationship with him I do believe it
involves a baptism in the Holy Spirit
which you know can manifest as a gift of
the Spirit like I said I've been I've
been filled with the spirit evidence was
speaking in tongues since I was 15 years
old okay so it has been a life practice
for me and it also says in first
Corinthians chapter 14 of verse 2 he who
prays in an unknown tongue speaks not
unto men but unto God for no man
understands him howbeit the Spirit he
speaks mysteries and so what this does
is when we pray in the spirit it starts
to unlock the mysteries that develop the
relationship we have so I end up
speaking to God in a language that I
don't understand which means my
intellect cannot argue with what the
Spirit is releasing through me I my mind
doesn't get to act as a filter the stuff
I already know doesn't get to jump up
and block what is happening and so when
I pray in the spirit then God answers
and I assure you it says that that he
speaks mysteries the mysteries are not
for God he knows everything their
mysteries are for me the one who's
praying in the spirit so that is one
aspect of what brings that reality into
play in our lives is when we engage in
pray in the spirit I bypass my filters
and when I do that I'm praying the
perfect will of God and then God answers
by revealing a mystery which brings
about a level of transformation in my
life consistent with that particular
mystery that's good yeah I'm reading
through the comments section I've been
talking a lot about the mystical lately
and just my own experiences and with
Christ and the baptism and stuff like
that and people want to know more right
and there's comments there were people
like I'm asking for the Baptist of my
Holy Spirit but I haven't received it
and so there's a lot of people like that
I mean where is it because that they
haven't had this what we would call like
a supernatural or weird manifestation
what's shaking and crying I know it
affects people differently can someone
be filled with the Holy Spirit what we
talked about these different Christians
all over the globe who don't really
agree in doctrinally where we are maybe
that's blocking them can they still like
the Holy Spirit even though they're not
praying in tongues they even though
they're not doing miracles and things
like that how does that work for the
person who has it outpouring like a zoo
the street like most a lot of us have
mm-hmm absolutely because the moment
you're born again and I'll refer back to
this do you have to engage it on your
own is that when you're born from above
God indwells you so he's already in you
and so there is a there's like a
breakdown of a barrier within that
allows that to manifest in a different
way and sometimes we have to get over
our own thinking and that's that's one
of the reasons by the way and I'll come
back to this in a second about the gifts
and wanting to be baptized that's one of
the reasons that the salvation is not
Universal is because even though Jesus
made it universally available because
human will is in place salvation means
God is inhabiting the life of the
believer okay and so in the same way
that God did not force himself upon Mary
to
caused her to conceive without her
consent without her permission and
without her agreement he will not enter
my life it would be a form of spiritual
assault because salvation is the
indwelling of God in man and so that has
to be by invitation and likewise the
baptism of the Spirit is by invitation
and so that when God moves on the inside
and we seek that and you know I've seen
people struggle for years and I see them
break out you know with the gift of
tongues which is to me is one of the
most valuable gifts that that come of
the nine gifts of the Spirit is because
you do pray out mysteries and it unlocks
mysteries which a mystic is one who
seeks mysteries and so by praying in the
spirit you are absolutely releasing
mysteries and engaging the mysteries of
God things that may have been buried for
hundreds of years or for even millennia
that God is reintroducing and I think
we're in a different day where these are
gonna manifest in greater measure I
think it's gonna be easier to be filled
with a spirit then we have made it a man
you know a lot of people talk about how
you know they've been asking and they
haven't received I wonder if they if
they have received and just don't know
it because we think it looks like what
happened to truce ago what happened to
my mother you know what I'm saying I
wonder if they have the spirit but
they're just not at that level of
portion do you do you think that that
can happen or do you think that you know
because it's shifts and changes
everything which is my story but you
think that's universal right with the
baptism well the thing is we're all
individuals so God deals with us as
individuals and so he's not going to be
the same if you looked at him after his
resurrection on the road to Emmaus they
didn't recognize him and they're just
different ways that he manifests the
people in the way that they need it and
you know my baggage is different than
your baggage and so my mindset is
different than your mindset I I have
different ways of believing I have
different filters maybe I was taught the
gifts aren't for today but I'm starting
to warm up to the idea and I want the
gifts and God if this was really you but
there's there's a measure of confusion
and doubt in the process that can that
can block and inhibit the full
manifestation of that I
who believe that when you receive the
Lord and you ask him he lives in you he
takes up spiritual residence within your
body so I do believe they have the Holy
Spirit what we're talking about is the
manifestation as a relation to the gifts
man I've heard a lot of scrutiny when it
comes to exuberant worship and
manifestation and crying and tears and
joy and shaking and stuff a lot of
people say well you guys are just caught
up and emotionalism this is just you're
being led by your feelings but I would
say that when you have a life a life of
sin and it's instantly forgiven it's a
pretty emotional experience right
well it's defined as the kingdom
righteousness peace and joy in the Holy
Ghost you know and we all read some of
us are solemn some of us you know
operate in great joy and some of us are
just a lot of fun to be around others
are more still we have our own
personalities and and God manifests
through our personality and so some
people love joy you know for me if see
they're there you know some in the
community call it whack and you probably
know who I'm talking about when I say
that you know whacked my whack is great
joy well my rack my whack is is insight
revelation reveal a mystery there's
nothing that brings me greater joy than
God revealing a mystery or something
that I didn't understand that I now
understand for others it's the great
exuberance of joy of the Lord that comes
upon them because the Bible says the joy
of the Lord is our strength and here's
what we also have to remember God
invented emotions and God can manifest
himself through every part of our being
every facet of our personality and we
may tend to move in one direction or the
other over someone else's preference and
personally I'm not one who gets whacked
where I laugh and roll and cry but I'm
one who when he hits I go deep and I get
very solemn and I'm in awe of God in
what he's doing now that does manifest
different ways he was talking to me the
other day about something and when he
gave me a download literally my body was
vibrating because of the understand I
had to go take an hour-and-a-half walk
to dissipate the energy that came on big
cause of what he downloaded and and the
mystery that he revealed to me so it
manifests in different ways I would just
encourage those who are saying you know
I'm trying it it's not happening I would
just say just feel free to go in private
go into your room and the the problem is
is our mind gets in the way and I can
tell you I speak fluently in tongues I
drop of a hat in the same way that I can
talk to you in English I can just break
out in tongues and begin to release
mysteries but I've grown accustomed to
that over the course of time and again
being 15 years old when I was baptized
I'm 62 now so I've been at it a while
but if you go into your own closet and
into your own room and you just you're
not concerned about what it comes well
it sounds like when it comes out of your
mouth and you just talk to the Lord and
trust him just start speaking and let it
sound like whatever it needs to sound
like and I assure you that the what
you're doing is you're taking the lid
off the well in your belly
jesus said it in John 7 out of your
belly shall flow rivers of living water
this fakey of the Spirit and so when we
do that we're taking the lid off of the
well in our belly and we're priming the
pump and the Holy Spirit will come
alongside and partner and I think that
your audience that's listening and those
who are commenting about this can do
that you'll partner with them and
they'll see they'll begin to open a flow
and it'll become more and more fluent
but you've got to start and bypass your
intellect and and not worry about what
it sounds like or be self-conscious you
gotta get good at that to go deep on the
Lord it's like it's there every time you
go in because you have a preconceived
notion there's a wall there's a barrier
what its gonna look like what its gonna
feel like and you gotta always move that
even just going in intimacy in prayer
okay I'm gonna go in and we're it's
business as usual I do this all the time
you got to move past that because that's
like the first thing move past that
barrier okay
now I'm in this realm of the unknown I'm
in a good place God is here the Holy
Spirit is led me here and and see what
happens and so I've heard stories
definitely just going through the Bible
doing my own study of like the way that
the Spirit interacted with them there's
many believers who win a long time
without even hearing about the baptism
they were like what is this you're
talking about we never even heard of
this they asked for it boom they
received it other people as they came
into the faith it was instant boom
and that was my story for other people
it's different and like you said going
into your room
I know people who they go to church
services it don't happen the Evangelist
price for them it doesn't happen they
you know get with friends it don't
happen but they go home and they
continue to seek after they asked the
Father they shut their door and a mighty
wind blows through their house scares
them to death the Holy Spirit comes into
that room they start trembling crying
shaking and speaking in tongues and
isn't it just God wanted to get them by
themselves like step away from the group
that's so that's it that's a good thing
like a lot of people were talking about
these group ascensions let's go up
together let's let's spend time together
in the presence of God which is powerful
that's a corporate anointing but there
is something key it's wet all throughout
the scriptures Jesus was a perfect
example but about going in by ourselves
like we have to like make sure we're
having our own quiet time people go from
conference to conference to resume
session to zoom session but it's about
look those are good but you got to you
got to do this by yourself right how
important is it for us to to go into our
own prayer closets by ourselves well
very much so and the thing is salvation
is not a team sport you know it it is an
individual relationship with the Lord
and sometimes we forget that because if
we get into and it's I believe in the
church okay I need to say that because
the church is an incarnate presence that
a community needs so it I think it's
really important for churches to be
within the community and we do need
support of others we need those to
surround us in our times when we're down
and we and we need to come together in a
corporate setting because we all carry
something to contribute to the
atmosphere because we are an incarnation
within whom god abides so I carry him
and you carry him and that does bring a
senator gistic effect and change the
atmosphere even within the region but
the individual there are times when I
come home and I just like it quiet I
settle down whether I lay on the bed
whether I sit in the chair and I just
settle and I just start having a
conversation with God the entire
atmosphere
Changez sometimes I pray in the spirit
sometimes I don't
sometimes he's there right then I'll ask
him a question and then he answers a
question and that's it just it's an
ongoing relationship and it's different
everyday you know some days I'll engage
for a long time some days I don't engage
it awesome some you know varied period
of time between a long day and and not
much at all
but he meets us where we're at and it's
the intent of our heart that he is
responding to that we want to engage him
and he wants to engage us but he still
has to work through the filter of our
thinking yeah which sometimes biggest
obstacle yeah when you're in a crowd of
people I mean your subconscious is
working differently than if you're by
yourself you know you don't care how you
look anymore you don't care what happens
and a lot of us can engage even that in
a group of people we get better like
moving past all of these preconceived
notions and what is this gonna look like
you know and am I gonna get a chance to
speak or whatever the case is so by
yourself there's a whole different a
totally different encounter I think we
need both for sure right absolutely now
from from just doing the you know
traditional Christian ministry and even
though you were into the charismatic and
things like that and that's that's you
know just a lot of that is out of the
box too and it was like I guess a
forerunner for a lot of the the
spiritual side of Christianity I would
say that's where I come from Assemblies
of God and going to charismatic revivals
and I was a part of the Brownsville
revival off going to that as much as we
could here in Mobile
what like where did it change from like
just doing even that being kind of far
out just to some degree to like where
you are now into deeper waters cuz like
even with that there's like church
culture like hey this is what we do this
is it but there's even a deeper place
that God's wanting to bring you outside
of like this defined box of Assemblies
of God or whatever denomination you're a
part of there's something in it's scary
though it's scary because it's like hold
on I'm abandoning ship I'm going deeper
there's not a lot of grid for this in
the Christian community there is
biblically God's blowing my mind with
the word
but the grid in the Christian Church
culture there's no grid for this what
was that transition like and I know you
said you bridge the gap with like the
mystical and just you know you know I'm
saying I guess laypeople just in church
and stuff but what was that transition
and how do you balance the two okay so
let me start by saying that I had been
embedded in the church for years I was a
senior pastor for ten years and when I
at at the same time that I was fully
employed in with secular employment and
so my job promoted me and took me to
another location and so I stepped down
from that church and turned it over to
someone else
and when I came back into the area that
I went back to the larger Church in the
area the one that had set me out many
many years before and was on staff there
I was an associate pastor a professor at
the Bible College a region at the Bible
College I was the vice president of the
Ministerial Association I'm only saying
this to give you a background of
actually what I stepped away from so it
wasn't like I just went to a church I
wasn't even embedded within an
organizational structure with with
titles and roles and responsibilities
and I have to give a shout out to my
wife Laura hi Laura if you're listening
I love you you know she was saying she
just came to the port where she's going
this is we're in the same cycle we're in
the same cycle over and over and over
again and it was very difficult for me
because I'm a loyal person and I'm very
dedicated whatever I commit myself to
and I'd been with the same pastor for
20-plus years and so what really
happened as I begin to pursue and my
wife and I Laura would we'd spend every
morning for two three four hours just
engaging reading the scriptures
worshiping finding a book that the Lord
wanted us to read and we begin to
separate ourselves and what happened is
in my role in function in the church the
grace begin to lift and it was all my
effort and I tell you what you get worn
out when it's your effort and the grace
had lifted so I finally went to my
pastor and I said look
I'm still here and I'm not supposed to
be I'm in disobedience the graces lifted
from me now what I'm about to say
applies to me and it applies to my wife
I am NOT superimposing this or making it
an expectation or laying out a path for
anyone else to walk when I say this I am
sharing my own life journey so what we
did is we literally stepped out of
church for five years and what we did is
we we withdrew and we've just began to
study and pray and worship and the Lord
begin to unlock things as we studied
together and moved to go deeper and the
Lord began to show me things and show my
wife things in Scripture and the more
that he revealed to us the more
uncomfortable I became with with the
status quo of of the church paradigm I
emphasize again I love the church we
need to have church because there are
always people in every level of growth
and maturity and there we need a place
where the where the brand new believer
can can receive you know the word and
those that are deeper and so I'm not
saying quit I'm not saying leave I'm
saying you listen to the Lord for your
own journey and so what that happened
then the way that happened for us is
because we pulled apart or pulled away
and we just began to seek you begin to
all unlock different things and when I
really saw even though I've been
charismatic I had operated in the gifts
I prayed for people they've been healed
so on and so forth it wasn't enough for
me and I'm just going Lord there's got
to be more to this and so I I told him
something I said Lord you said this you
said if you asked me for a bread I'm not
going to give you a stone if you ask me
for an egg I'm not going to give you a
scorpion or you know how it goes and in
in that he was talking about Holy Spirit
in that very passage he was saying if
you asked for the spirit I'm not going
to give you something else yeah because
they were accusing him of doing the
works that he was doing by the power of
the devil or the power of Beelzebub and
then he said better be careful you can
blaspheme against me don't blaspheme
against Holy Spirit so but in that
context he said what you asked me for us
I'll give you I'm not gonna give you
something else so I said to him I'm
asking for you I'm asking for the
mysteries of you I'm asking for the
person of you I'm not asking for
anything else I'm asking for you and you
told me you would not give me anything
but what I'm asking for
so I'm asking for you and now I say this
if I am deceived on this journey where
I'm gonna open the door and I am going
to move out beyond the confines of my
present way of thinking my current
paradigm it's your fault because I am
listening to you if I'm deceived it's
because something came in I didn't ask
for so I'm asking for you and the
angelic support around me to keep me on
the right path
let me not be deceived but I am setting
sail lifting the anchor and I'm going
forward and that's how I made that
transition that's how both my wife and I
made that transition now you mentioned
you know your prayer it's the honest
prayer Lord let me not be deceived
what's worse is there those around you
who said yeah he's deceived well I would
say that there are people from my former
community who are concerned yeah okay
and you know I'm let me just make this
statement bold and clear and loud I am
always Christ centric I will always be
Christ centric Jesus Christ is Lord of
my life I will never back away from that
truth everything I see is an extension
or expression of who he is and what he's
done likewise the blood of Jesus is
hugely significant I mean that's what he
took on blood Jesus became a flesh and
blood human being because he was
redeeming flesh and blood human beings
and so that whole spectrum of
information that's out there that we can
study that we can look for I'm very
careful who I read I'm very careful I do
look at things but I have to be careful
because we have to recognize that people
who post on the web and they put stuff
up in the internet they don't reveal
everything about what they know they
reveal pieces of it they leave blanks on
purpose yeah and and and you can just if
you always stay Christ centric any
journey I take if I endeavor to move in
the spirit it's by the name of Jesus
it's by the blood of Jesus with the
angelic support around me
to ensure that I don't go where I'm not
supposed to go amen
and I found myself on a similar journey
and a lot not just me and you but
there's like we talked about four we
went live like there's it's a global
like God is doing this until for a lot
of people in their hearts and taking
them deeper or even showing them things
wrong with church as usual of this
one-man show and you know all of these
different things that tithing or
whatever I mean there's so much stuff
that we've just been taught not to
question and gods like now questioning
man because i'ma show you in the word
and it's like don't question it it's
like oh man
so there's the mysteries there's deep
understandings that the Lourdes is is
revealing I don't think they're new I
think they're very ancient and that they
have been lost and forgotten that are
significant and Jesus knew it the
prophets knew it disciples knew it and
the Lord is you know calling out with
these mysteries as we return to the
ancient paths I think that this is
something Universal and people don't
know how to navigate through that so
they start talking about it or posting
about it I'm seeing people post about
just little things and there I see their
Christian communities just tearing them
up you know and I was like man you got
to be careful don't burn bridges it can
it gets scary
you feel like you're the only one nobody
understands me it's only me but praise
God it's not we have you know God is
dealing with all men he said what is it
seven I got 700 prophets who didn't who
have not bowed a knee to bail yeah you
know I'm still dealing with more people
I just thought he was the only one yeah
so and that's how we get we get like we
think we're an island where it's just us
but a lot of people in the majority will
quit going to church I mean they don't
know what else to do I do believe in
like the dark night right there's this
place where even like where Saul had to
kind of Paul had to go away to learn and
grow for a couple years they didn't kind
of reimagine I'm sure that's what
happened to you that's what happened to
me and many other people they're
reimagined but now that we're talking
about a lot of these things openly and
you're saying look don't pull away if
you don't have to try to stick it out
try to stay with believers you know
don't isolate yourself Satan has desired
to sift you as wheat now that we're
talking about this stuff openly on
podcast and teachings and
documentaries and everything that we're
doing in this movement it's creating a
grid for people to say hey I'm not alone
I'm not crazy God is leading me out to
deeper waters and he is answering my
prayers and he is showing up and there's
a community that will embrace me even
though I don't have all the kinks worked
out I don't know at all you know I
approach it with humility and grace and
being humble and it's changing the game
a little bit for people having to take
this journey of isolation and separating
themselves because a lot of people don't
make it out of that they stay in that or
they get into a new age philosophy that
tells you that Jesus wasn't real or his
blood wasn't enough or he was just
another prophet so for the believers to
step out into deeper waters and and be
open and honest with your experiences
it's really changing the game for the
church as we know it absolutely and you
know one thing that I remember as I was
a little frustrated with the church
because it's it's just like sometimes it
feels like you're on a merry-go-round
and and so I was actually the first time
I met dr. o and I was sitting in his
office with him and and I was laying out
just a little bit my wife and I were
there laying out a little bit of my
disappointment since and and you know
how the things that the Lord was
revealing or a little bit inconsistent
with some of the mainline teachings
anymore and and he says so that's so I
you know I said you know basically we
stepped out of church and his he looked
at me so so great
so God gives you fine finally gives you
the answer that you've been praying for
and you lead the people that need it yep
one other my family dagger in the heart
he says it it's and so I sits engaged
and I do attend his church in Venice
cottage in Venice Beach California but
it's it's we have to be careful you use
the word burn bridges we can't be so
bold that we don't take people with us
and and if we're more interested in
learning the mysteries than we are about
helping people yes then our focus as
well if we've all we want to do is tell
everybody
okay I'm there's a disease can I just
say there's a disease in the church and
it's called give me the might
because everybody the moment they have a
revelation there's stuff that the Lord
has revealed to me that I have not
revealed or told people because people
aren't ready for it and they won't
receive the intermediary steps that I
have that I want to share if if I
haven't built a bridge to the other side
if I jump right to the other side
they're gonna shut me down and the
mistake
a lot of people have and this is this is
another thing I'm going to say I mean
Facebook has produced more apostles and
prophets in the church than God did
himself and and so it's to the point
that if we're not careful we're going to
be more interested in having an audience
and how many people are following us and
how many people were influencing that it
is about about those people actually
growing and about communicating the
truth that the one of the biggest things
dr. Rowe taught me he says can you keep
a secret
so because God will not share if you
cannot keep a secret he'll tell you a
mystery they'll tell you a second
mystery and if you blab and you just run
out and build a ministry on your mystery
and and title your ministry after the
the military you know Pelican counters
yeah yes so what's gonna happen is it's
going to start God is not gonna be able
to trust you and then you're gonna have
to start operating out of yourself
rather than then the mysteries that he
was revealing and it's really critical
that we do not burn the bridges between
ourselves in the church because we have
to remember that's where we were they're
not suddenly some great thing who has
been so separated from the church when
it was the church that brought us
knowledge of Jesus it was the church
that brought us some of the mysteries up
to the point and revelations about
Christ and the gifts of the Spirit it
was the church that taught us that so we
can't abandon those who taught us just
because the Lord has opened more things
to us or a journey as has given us a
broader horizon to move across I think
that's for the body of Christ as a whole
I don't think obviously you wouldn't say
that just for a church there's some
times where you kind of like outgrow
like I
I can't grow here anymore I can't just
be okay with some of the things that you
guys are teaching because there's some
like as we're growing there's some stuff
that we learn in the Lord and you can't
unlearn it yes I hold of it like we're
doing things wrong and I can't be a part
of this I mean that's a lot of people
you know when they find out things and
and then they try to keep going was
there a point where you tried to keep
going and you're the okay maybe it is me
let me try to go back to church I love
worship let me just go and happen to the
word let me go visit a church and it was
a thing where you just couldn't anymore
I mean I've tried and my friends are
like Eric there's you got to go you got
to get into her and I'll go to churches
and I'm just like zipping my mouth shut
and I'm not okay I'm gonna try not to
get offended let me try my best and it
still keeps happening and then you know
because there's people doing that you
know and they just can't do it
they're trying they think people that
like yeah it's you it's you got to pray
more you got to do this more than
they're trying but they just they God
won't let them you know what I'm saying
as far as it hurts as usual well here's
the thing we have to remember that we
can always learn something from somebody
we have to remain teachable in every
setting even if it is not the setting
that were accustomed to learning from
now it is not the level or the depth of
mysteries there can still be one
statement a person can say that'll
unlock something for you
even in our increased mystic
understanding someone can make a
statement within the organized
structured Church that we have stepped
out of yeah and so we have to recognize
that additionally I have to tell you yes
there are times when I've gone back to
church and I sit in the church and I
feel like someone has put a wet blanket
all over me because it is so far removed
from my experience and where I am right
now but but I have to let people be
where they are I have to what you have
to be is led by the spirit you know
don't write things off don't write the
church off and and don't try and change
the church because you recognize
something recognize that what you carry
even if you do not open your mouth
invades and permeates the atmosphere so
one of the things I believe you know
when Jesus said who demesne
that i the son of man am a part of that
dynamic which is awesome is that Jesus
knew who he was okay and he was in
communication with the Father and he
said who two men say that I am and Peter
said you are the Christ the Son of the
Living God and and Jesus said blessed
are You Simon bar Jonah for flesh and
blood has not revealed this to you but
my father in heaven now what we have to
recognize about that passage is
incredible is that Jesus didn't call him
blessed because he knew who he was he
called him blessed because he heard who
he was outside of man that he heard from
outside the realm of man's purview
outside of the earth flesh and blood
didn't reveal it to you my father did so
he blessed him called him blessed
because he heard from heaven not because
he knew who he was but the part about
being in his presence Jesus carried an
anointing he carried an essence he he
permeated who he was as a person and I
believe that what we carry contains what
we know yeah and one of the aspects of
Peter coming to that understanding he's
sitting under the anointing always of
someone who knew who he was
that was communicated by the father it
was the father who told Peter but he is
in an environment that allowed that to
happen okay so what I'm saying is when
we walk into a church we carry who we
are our essence our anointing even if we
don't open our mouths and we sit there
we affect the environment now I'm gonna
say this and I'm not saying it as a pat
on the back for myself I'm saying it as
a proof point many many years ago I had
been teaching and I walked into a church
and sat down I was I just came to hear
the service some guy walks up to me goes
what is it about you you walk in the
whole atmosphere changes whether you're
speaking or not and it's because we have
an incarnate presence God is resonant
within us and what we carry is
disseminated in the atmosphere along
with the rest of the anointing so we can
have an impact on a community if we
never open our mouths yep just showing
up good or bad why I find it I find that
you eventually represent different
things to different people again this
back to the who do you say I am well
some people say that hey man you're
deceived
some people say hey you walk in a level
of anointing that changes lives by
people just standing next to you right
so there's these different opinions and
things that you're gonna step into you
know especially as renown grows and
people talk about you and you meet
people who know you before you even know
who they are you know and all of this
stuff and it gets kind of weird right
when you're stepping in it as an
evangelist as a pastor or whatever role
that you play but it comes down to again
who do you who do you say I am even
Jesus now like when we mentioned that
name you know it means different things
for different people and or even God or
somebody's the terminology that we talk
about and we grow deeper and deeper and
deeper in this revelation even angels
like the word angel means something
totally different to me now than it or
even demon or whatever like these
entities and roles and things that they
play in the etheric realms and created
with duties and things that's like once
you reach a certain revelation it
changes it for you it doesn't mean the
same thing and yeah you can partake and
learn from people who are teaching it a
certain way or whatever but as you just
grow deeper in your in your knowledge in
your revelation things change things
mean different things to you right and
so you fight for different things that
that mean more like you said people are
fighting for a platform praise God for
the people who don't have a mic you know
what I'm saying or don't have a podcast
in there and they're walking it I you
know they're walking in their call and
walking in their destiny they don't get
any applause they're anything and that's
really where the magic is those who are
doing ministry who are in the secret you
know what I'm saying I'm I have people
are watching us right now hearing our
stories and this helping but everybody
shares a role in that so that's the
beautiful thing is just like growing in
the knowledge of Christ who he is and
being able to still function in any
situation any realm that you're in
become all things to all men so that you
can win some it's not about because
people I'll have people on here and then
I'm reading the chat and they're like
you need to correct them and people will
say stuff that the audience knows I
don't believe or they know I'm against
or is anti biblical
or even a biblical breakdown that's just
totally wrong and I just I won't correct
them or what it's not about yeah I have
to choose your battles wisely as well
right absolutely
well you know the thing is you have to
be comfortable in your own skin you have
to be comfortable with who you are and
what you're walking in and when you step
into a new level basically that becomes
your norm that is not somebody else's
norm so they say don't view it the same
way that you or I would you where we're
at and so what I've really recognized is
I have the thing that I had to give
there are things I wrote in the book the
merger to Adams one destiny that I've
never heard anyone say there are things
I wrote in there and there's one
particular thing that caused me a great
deal of apprehension about actually
writing it because once I knew I wrote
it and the book was out anybody who knew
me and I'm gonna tell you I did have a
rebel I I had a reputation within my
circles of being a revelatory teacher
but this was going to be outside the
bounds of you know what I had taught
before and some would even consider it a
heretical teaching I don't believe so
but what I had to do was finally get
over the fear of man to the point yeah
in getting over the fear of man meant
uncomfortable with what I know but it
didn't mean that I need to enter into an
argument with man ya see I will never
get into an argument with someone I am
more than happy to have a conversation
and even you know discuss the merits or
the pros and cons of a particular
theology or doctrine yeah I'm happy to
do that because we can both grow but the
moment someone wants to argue with me
and that's the premise of the
conversation I'm checking out of the
hotel yeah I I'm not going there with it
and that's where we have to be careful
because we get so dogmatic and Facebook
just sometimes my stomach just rolls
because we get so dogmatic about our
view and the condemnation of others and
then you know we just post ourselves as
the one who have the the finite answer
on all of this and the reality is it
takes all of us you know it is it's a
body ministry and we come together with
all the parts coming together that's
where we're headed as the body of Christ
well we honor the differences in the
body well we look at the right hand and
the
left hand say hey man while you can't
hold it this way or the hand and the
foot you know and being able to honor
the body that it's a hundred percent
where we're headed
a lot of the the ministries or doctrines
that have this kind of like cornered the
market hey yeah this is we're the only
ones who do this and even even some
forerunners in the mystical they're like
hey no we got this this is how if you
don't do it this way you're doing it
wrong there's a lot of that going around
to gods tearing that down God's been
raising people have been a secret for
years and now he's giving them a
platform now they they're been able to
test the waters cuz they feel
comfortable ok there's people talking
about this and not getting crucified let
me let me try you know and so a lot of
that going on and so there's a unity
right now within the body that uh like
if you ain't with the unity you're
getting left behind literally like if
you're not if it's if it's only your way
or the highway then you're not gonna
make it to where God's bringing us that
a hundred percent I'm seeing so much
unity with people I'm seeing Christ in
it man I'm seeing like people with
different options different functions
different philosophies but backgrounds
but we come together to worship God we
come together to grow and to learn here
a little there a little and I'm seeing
him in the beauty out because he is
that's the word you know where two or
three are gathered a I am in the midst
and Jesus is literally in them in the
midst of all of these intricate
different people who have put their
beliefs their doctrines their dogmas
their things their stuff aside to to go
deeper to you know for the furtherance
of the body of Christ in the furtherance
of humanity it's amazing I'm I'm in I'm
loving what I'm seeing it right now in
the body but there are all those people
because you know there's only a certain
amount of tithers or whatever they
believe I don't know it and it's been
that way in the church realm for sure
and that's kind of a lot of us came out
of that and we still inherited followers
and all of this kind of stuff but just
knowing look you gotta follow Christ
don't follow me like you had a you
got to follow Christ I can be an example
and and and do what I can but uh
empowering others and that's really
what's what's big right now I think do
you see that at all well yeah let me let
me say this I mean I'd love to come back
on sometime where we can really get into
some of the mysteries but I think it's
very important the foundations that were
laying right
now and what we're discussing so you
know run coming from and likewise and it
there basically I I consider there to be
two types of people there are pioneers
and settlers and so when someone the
Pioneers go out the four runners go out
they blaze the trail and what that does
is it creates a vacancy in the fort and
then people climb up and and I've seen
for years let me say this I've seen for
years I have been around some of the
biggest names in ministry in my life
okay that being the case you see who the
central figure is and then you have
peripheral rings of influence of how
close they are to the central figure
yeah okay and as soon as you know that
the closest circle around the the leader
the you know the the one that the
ministry is around when someone there is
sent out or goes then the second circle
moves in and how it's finally my time
and we build this settlement mentality
of moving up in the ranks structure of
the local fort of the local church and
then when the Pioneers go out it's only
after the Pioneers had been out a while
made a big clearing built a new fort the
good safe roads been built you know that
okay this is absolutely commonly
accepted now by most of the church I
feel safe and going to that fourth you
know and that's basically you know what
we're in right now we do have those
pioneers but this is a question that
that I had to ask myself and the Lord
really had to check me on this and this
was 15 years ago or so he said are you
more excited about the revelation you're
getting or or are you excited about the
people I want you to change with that
revelation has it been a little bit of
both over the years well the thing is if
you're a revelatory teacher when God
gives a download like I said that's my
whack when I come to understand
something that I haven't heard anybody
else a or God expand something beyond
what I've known is oh okay that's my
whack that's what sends me okay and so
the excitement of getting to teach that
15 years ago was was was really the
focus for me more than if they got it
was I got to teach it because I that
it's so reverberate it in my being and
so I asked me one time are you more
excited about the revelation of giving
you and teaching it in front
people or you excited about the fact
that I've shared something I want to
impact my body with and I had to come to
that realization go wow thanks for that
that stark look at my own heart and I
had to make a shift in that but that
road is that road from from A to B is
maybe years in between though like how
do i you know articulate this that's not
gonna blow their heads off cuz if I'd
like you said if I just come and tell
you this is what it is they're gonna
freak out there so there's a there's a
grooming process if you would hey man if
you guys are into this you might be into
this kind of thing right right well
here's here's the marker that I like to
say I would rather be in my closet
changing nations than behind a pulpit
with an office with a name with the
following because one is gonna have a
much greater impact than the other most
of us in the church are preaching to the
choir yeah but if we understand how to
walk in the mysteries and we don't need
a Facebook page and we don't need and
now listen things like what you're doing
right now are absolutely necessary I'm
not assigning what I'm saying to
anything I'm talking about a paradigm in
a mindset that permeates the church and
people who are now getting to rise up
into positions they've always wanted
secretly in their heart and Facebook
gives them a lot you gotta fight a man
I've definitely got doing it you got to
do that for sure so I would rather
change a nation with mysteries and
learning how to engage in realms and
dimensions that the church doesn't
understand yet and literally change
nations and and that is really what
tells me where your heart is where would
you rather be what's more important to
you would you still have an identity if
you didn't teach would you still have an
identity if no one's reading your books
or you didn't write any more books now
that I'm telling you I tell myself this
all the time this is not something I'm
pointing at someone else and it's not
something that I'm
seeing others to do that I haven't done
but the point is that we really have to
focus on what can we do to move the body
forward it's not about building our name
it's not about condemning others who
don't know I mean the greatest the
greatest measure of maturity is how you
deal with people who don't know as much
as you do
yeah condemnation with that
investigation is the highest form of
ignorance very well said learn that
that's I think it was Einstein said that
I learned that very on it's like just
putting your revelations out there
people are shooting it down so guess
what
don't put them out there like that not
the way that you're doing it you're
gonna build bridges you're gonna find
yourself becoming an island you know
just stop putting out there I learned it
God God told me I'm gonna tell you that
was the whole thing about like what we
call it the inner sanctification process
where God would speak to your heart and
say run don't listen to this type of
music don't eat this type of food in
like he's telling you but then you take
it and make it a lot christendom or the
world or whatever and a lot of people
would do that God told me not to watch
secular movies well that's a law that
we're teaching now and no cuz God's
saying that everybody and so even with
the you know the level of Revelation
what God has shown you you just want to
go out in and tell it to everybody and
they're not they're not ready or able to
digest it I think for me and I think the
majority and I'm sure you were here too
it's like you just wanted to know it
comes from a place of father I want to
know how this works and that's where I
would that's a it's a good place to be
it to stay how does the angelic work how
do the why are the stars out there why
is this why is that father show me and
it's like you talking about just running
and telling everything that we find out
I would talk about like kissing and
telling like God has shown you things in
a secret that you beg for now you're
running telling everybody and reading it
in books and you know if we should've
did that and if it's causing more harm
than good and those kind of thing using
it's like we we have the knowledge
knowledge is plentiful it's it's at your
finger you can Google whatever you can
think of you can google it there's a
website there's a podcast there's
information but do you have to ask for
wisdom on how to share that knowledge
even if it's a download from heaven
like there's a way to misuse your
heavenly knowledge and use it for pride
that puffs up and a lot of that happens
to like the scripture said would you
know well you can you can hurt you can
hurt people with what you know you know
if you're not careful and it's just like
I think we've all seen prophets who have
a gift of word of knowledge and they
destroy somebody in applause someone in
a public setting yeah and it's that all
about you know it's we do have to to
think about again what secrets the
Lord's reveal to us and the timing to
reveal them and who who we tell them to
because it's like an inoculation if
you're not careful and you give someone
if you inoculate someone to something
what means is now there that means that
they're basically immune to the full
spectrum of the whole so if you give
them errant pieces that that affect
their lives negatively you can shut them
down from the true thing that you know
that God wants to reveal and wants the
body to walk into I could tell you in
2001 and I believe this with every fiber
of my being the Lord told me he says I
could tell you what my next move is
gonna be and he says it's not gonna be a
word move it's not a faith move it's not
a deliverance move it's not a healing
move
he says the the next move that's coming
into the earth in great measure is a
revelation of the person of Jesus Christ
because that is a full revelation of any
and everything that exists because he
created everything that exists and that
full-spectrum that's why it's the
journey of even the book is two atoms
one destiny is because he began to
unlock who he is to me which was my
fervent prayer I want to know you I want
to know why you did what you did how you
did what you did from from a perspective
of the pre-incarnate all the way into
the earth and why you did what you did
in the earth the way you did it and so
it's I think that is what is exploding
that is why we're starting to see things
understand all because Jesus was
surrounded by angelic beings he was
surrounded by item they ministered to
him when he came out of the wilderness
you know they took eyes where people get
caught up
oh there's angel
so just those things start to unlock and
that's why I say I'm always Christ
centric and I focus primarily on him
someone someone I asked him a question
one time well you got to be careful you
don't worship angels and I said hey have
you ever had anybody help you move like
you know you went from one house to
another yeah yeah I said did you thank
them they said well yes I did I said
quit worshiping your friend because you
have a relationship and you communicate
and you know you honor something or
someone and their role in the kingdom
doesn't mean you're worshiping them yeah
that doesn't you know I've heard that
you know early on because you know it's
a new realm it's like you're like a kid
again
God has a way of doing that of
introducing you to one revelation that
just makes you it realized that passion
that oh and Wonder makes you remember
like you know where you were when you
met them and I love that but we have to
continue to follow the spirit because
he'll keep you in that childlike Wonder
but we get kind of set up and and it
becomes a doctrines and thing it gets
over to get stagnant all of this stuff
that's new eventually gets stagnant so
if we're not it becomes religion it
becomes dead works you know we learn how
to do it to be always in this place of
growing and on wonder of the majesty of
God that's where we're supposed to be
and I think that spending time in his
word keeps us there even cuz cuz because
some of that even comes with the word
the idea of I've read the Bible so many
times I don't know you know but God's
like no draw away open it I'm gonna
speak to you
no you're gonna speak to me about
looking at the sunset you're gonna speak
to me about gazing at the Stars no open
the word man like you know what I'm
saying and getting back to this place
where God is continually breaking our
heart and molding us into his image you
know yeah it was interesting one of the
one of the things I loved that dr. Rowe
says he says and he was he was playing
with us he's and he said all you
believers he says you think you're
reading the Bible it's reading you yeah
it knows exactly what it can reveal to
you based on your level of maturity so
if you're saying I've read the Bible and
it's not talking to me it's because it
knows it can't yeah and I don't mean
that any condemning sense it means let's
take our heart in a right direction with
him because it will speak to us beyond
just reading it and you will find that
we discover you can look at a scripture
that you've read a thousand times in
your life and one day it jumps out and
the whole world opens up yeah and and
unfold because he says here we go you're
ready for this so you're ready here
comes an understanding that God does
speak through everything right yeah and
and as we as we live life as we go into
the secret and God puts a download in
our heart and we he reveals it to us in
the open through people through signs
wonders synchronicities then we go back
to the prayer closet and then we read it
just keeps growing and we change and uh
like there's things that movies you know
that will watch and God will give us
downloads and revelations and then when
lutely
will go back and read the word and now
you have this the plumb line has changed
you have a deeper sense of what it means
because something that you've seen
elsewhere unlocked it for you that's one
thing with Christian Delaware where
we're interpreting the Bible with
Western Christianity if we're screwed
we're screwed it's not good yes we're
thinking like all of this was for us in
this time period and what the church
looks like today and we interpret it
with that but we got to go to the east
we gotta open up a little bit we got to
read we got to listen to somebody who
doesn't agree with us or don't and
that's just let's listen be led of the
Lord whatever you do and beat in Christ
centric and a lot of people are quoting
you on that Christ centric word and uh
he will speak to you through all things
but uh man it just stay in that place of
wonder you know what I'm saying because
all of it gets old you get into the New
Age it's awesome effort it gets old
you get into charismatic Christianity
it's awesome it gets old you get into
Hebrew roots movement it's awesome it
gets old
all of this stuff the kind of newness
wears off so staying in this place where
he never wears off being infatuated
learning to be infatuated with him
because he never gets old you know yeah
absolutely and I love what you said
about this gets old and this gets old in
this gets old see see the issue where
the church really happens to look at
things a little differently and approach
things differently is is because
anything that we see that doesn't look
like what we're presently engaged in
we we disown we we speak poorly of and
no no no no no and then if we're not
careful we'll get the mentality I've
known God for 35 years if he were gonna
reveal that he'd reveal it to me before
you you've only been a Christian five
years you know well I mean all of that
that that whole mindset that it if I'm
not seeing it where I'm at it can't be
God then if we're not careful we'll
discount so much of what he wants to do
see the big thing for me between the
church and the new age and and this is
where I can get myself in trouble
is the new age is tapped into things
apart from God that we should be tapping
into with God because he did not give
the planet to Christians
he gave the planet to humanity and if I
may say it this way I love a scripture
that Paul wrote in Romans chapter 1 in
verse 20 he said for since the creation
of the world his invisible attributes
have been clearly seen and understood
even his eternal power and Godhead let
me just simplify that for everybody
listening it means that is the
attributes of God and the eternal power
of the Godhead that is the energetic
system of the creation that's why it's
alive it is the invisible attributes of
God that has infused the creation and
the human condition with life even if we
don't accept him after the fall that he
did not withdraw his essence from the
creation and so what people have
discovered whether it's by scientific
method the spiritual method what they've
discovered is they're tapping into a
truth but he is the truth and so what
they've done so let me just say when
someone engages the creation and they're
engaging the glory of creation and
they're having encounters with the
energetic substance of creation what
they're really having is an encounter
with the essence of God in creation
apart from God himself it is still his
essence it's just engaged apart from him
and at the church we need to understand
that because the people that are
engaging those really are looking for
God they just don't know who he is
because of how we've painted him it's
kind of like a toy plant playing with a
toy within
love it's a cool toy but you don't have
the batteries in it yeah you put the
batteries though it's like really comes
to life it's in and so this whole thing
of the New Age and even Buddhists and
Hindus when they engage and they
discover a spiritual practice the
creation response to humanity it was
given to us and the essence of God even
apart from God will present it to those
who know how to engage it and that's why
I keep it Christ centric because you can
still have encounters apart from Christ
which is why I prayed the prayer if I'm
deceived at your fall I'm asking for you
only oh yeah yeah I know I found that
out with uh just doing yoga or things
like that and I'm doing it with the Holy
Spirit like they do it like that's how
you tasting and praying I'm connecting
with the Lord and I'm having powerful
Encounters of this I know his presence I
know his Spirit has led me here in a
slight man this is this different way I
think it was big for me that I've kind
of found that out these other modalities
if you will was I was big into the
charismatic and still am I guess but it
wasn't like a church service wasn't
awesome until the pastor ran and stood
up on the on the pews if the package on
the pews and shouted come on church and
everybody would yeah and they know how
to move a crowd and you know yes people
were falling or running around the
church or screaming it wasn't we were
all like we listen to the message but
we're all like waiting for that to
happen and that kind of that got old
right everything gets old yeah and in
the Lord just kind of led me to a
Messianic group of believers who started
and kind of teaching me the power of a
charismatic revival all of that energy
all of that essence in the midst of a
silent prayer a small prayer let's just
thank the Lord for what he's done let's
just get quiet and so as much energy and
power and anointing and his energy man
being able to experience by being silent
and through these other ways for me that
was like these big conduit because I got
God didn't show up unless and a lot of
charismatic people unless you're
laughing and
should falling out rolling God didn't
show up that's a lie right we experience
God on many different he is do all in in
all it so it's our perception that's
messed up if we can't see him in the
midst of a silent prayer in the midst of
a charismatic chaos whatever it is he's
in there somewhere something is there in
there for you to take out and to
encounter His Majesty so it's being able
to see him in everything I think that we
learn to do to ask Christians in the
West we learned that he's only in the
church or he's only in our church you
know the way we do it the way my pastor
my pastor says this master says that so
just being more inclusive man and seeing
God in all in that's a starting ground
for a lot a lot of this I think and it's
definitely for me more inclusive more
loving more open to receive more open to
give you know absolutely beautiful
journey what I think yes that's the
that's the personal relationship side
that and you know if we can engage God
in his presence without a cheerleading
section yeah you know it all starts from
the secret place man
yeah Ward's you openly and I love the
the the group sessions and stuff and my
heart's there but take that into your
quiet time man I'm telling you that's
where the revelation he's gonna give you
stuff as a group I mean it's just
but you know when nobody could see you
know Pat's on the back
you know none of that stuff is really
where it matters that's where integrity
that's where dreams are birthed and uh
you know God put you on that that path
that highway to holiness
Ronna let people know where they can go
check out your book the merger a two
atoms with one destiny let people know
it and go check it out at link go to Ron
Jones books calm Ron Jones books calm
it's available you got it in it's
available in every country and all that
good stuff too right yeah it's in the UK
it's in the US you can also go to Amazon
and just type Ron Jones the merger and
it'll come up awesome awesome
well man I dude I really enjoyed hanging
out with you on this podcast and there's
so much more that we can get into want
to have you back on you're almost done
with your next book when it comes out
let me know man
will will definitely make it happen and
anything I can do to support you and
your ministry and and what God is doing
in your midst let me know so thanks so
much I do
a pleasure to talk with you and
encourage the body of Christ and answer
some questions and you know build some
faith man so I enjoyed it so much I did
as well and I look forward to talking to
you in your future thank you so much
Derrick hi my brother god bless god
bless nice Shalom pieces Ron Jones
ladies and gentlemen his book is the
merger the merger to Adam's one destiny
I talk about this in my music a little
bit I said a second Adam returns to the
garden right the second Adam which is
Christ you hear me talk about that a lot
in my music the second Adam it's at the
end of alpha the second Adam is the only
answer little quotes that I sprinkle out
through there a lot of people don't know
what that is but we talked about that
the second Adam is Christ where the
first Adam came and the fall of man
entered the second Adam Jesus comes to
reverse the curse like Ron said this is
what his book is about reversing the
curse where there was death there's now
life where there was lack there's now
gain where there was sorrow there's now
joy like literally this it was from our
inheritance by default like Adam is like
default the default man the primordial
man driven by its lust and desires and
not willing or able to say no the second
Adam Christ the love of God that was
manifested in the form of a person came
to right the wrongs of humanity to give
us life to give it more abundantly and
and you can engage with that we engage
with with with Christ and in through
prayer through meditation but they're
reading the word get in the scriptures
man a lot of you guys are listening to
podcast and and and documentaries and
all types of the teachers and stuff like
that but you're now opening the
Scriptures open the Bible for yourself
and let God just I'm telling you he
knows where you're at I don't know where
you're at right now he does when you
open the scriptures he will meet you
where you are and it what it you'll get
the meaning for the day the Holy Spirit
will teach you through it he's not gonna
speak outside of his word see the word
is the plum
he's not gonna speak outside of it trust
me it's in there somewhere if God has
given you revelation and glory and and
expanded your thinking I'm pretty sure
you can find it that was a big
revelation for me it's like all of this
stuff that like downloads and
experiences and things I was watching
and stuff and it's like man this is deep
and I would see traces of it like
throughout the Scriptures or even
through Christendom or spirituality and
but then God would show me in the word
where it was a lot of it was dealing
with the Stars and dealing with the
angelic and I mean so much is in there
that we don't even know we read this
book and we kind of feel like we have it
all figured out well my dad was a pastor
I grew up in church whatever but as you
expand and as you go deeper into the
word man he'll blow your mind even this
day I don't care how long you you think
you know but you have no idea it's the
beauty of revelation of the beauty of a
life man and seeing him and everything
you used to just see him in church you
used to just see him in the sky now you
can see him in the ocean now you can see
him in another person most of us would
see him and other Christians we look at
other Christians and we see Christ
because he's in my brother now it's like
look I look at any person and I see
Christ and then look at any person then
I see myself cuz that's what he's
showing us that's about us it's about
you we think we're reading this ancient
book but the book is reading us like Ron
said the allegories the mysteries it's
the most magical book you'll ever read
100% it's alive it's sharper than any
two-edged sword checking out some of the
comments here before we end up in the
podcast somebody said let me try to find
this and I want to just paraphrase but
they said I was talking about I had a
question or just a comment about sex
that really caught my attention this is
from Sam 1 and it says what keeps many
people away from Christianity is all the
rules in Dogma don't have sex before
marriage don't do this don't do that
etc outdated mentality that makes no
sense in the 21st century
I think that makes perfect sense in the
24th 21st century like especially the
sex thing is they don't have sex outside
of marriage
the Scriptures teach we the church
doesn't really teach this but the
Scriptures teach that sex is marriage
when one comes together with a with
another person that is how you
consummate a marriage is through sex you
know we look at like Solomon in some of
these kings in the Bible they had many
wives and you know that's why they had
all these wives as women that they were
sleeping with and whoever joins
themselves to a harlot becomes one flesh
you become one with that person so sex
is marriage and so it's not sex outside
of marriage sex is marriage sex is
sacred and so we say in the 21st century
like we've definitely downplayed the
importance or the majesty and how sacred
sex is it's very it's very special and
so we need to protect it and so yeah we
need to teach on that there is touch not
taste 9 there is some of that stuff
there are rules and regulations listen
there's a right way and there's a wrong
way to engage there's a way that seems
right unto a man but in the end leads
into destruction it's good it feels good
just because it seems right you know it
doesn't mean that that it is so if it
goes against the word man just examine
your heart there's things that are
timeless truths no matter where we go
that's why this book is still here this
is why the Lord is still speaking
through it because it's still applicable
for today
you know his Bible be ible basic
instructions before leaving Earth man
you want to want to know how to operate
it's in there somewhere
spiritual truths but yes sex is sacred
that's we need to get back to that
because we're in a place now where
people are just promiscuous and having
sex with multiple people and they don't
honor it and do you know virginity is
not even a thing we talk about it's a
lot a lot of you know young people are
having sex before they're even making
out before they even kiss
having sex this is crazy we got we got a
stamp stand for something I will fall
for anything man specialist sex is a
special and going into I need to do a a
teaching on it I've got the study
there's so many scriptures that show you
that sex is marriage it wasn't that you
know sex outside of marriage but sex is
marriage and so just understanding that
how powerfully there's a lot of this
even spiritual New Age studies that you
kind of retain the DNA of that person
when you when you go when you do that
Chris garner says you don't need new
rules but need a new perspective yeah we
need a new vision a new view because
this is so much bigger than you yes good
stuff well just to let you guys know who
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we're gonna do a chat we usually hang
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roast some ideas off of one another what
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listen there are some breathing
techniques there are breathing
techniques that you can do that keep you
awake while you're driving that's one
thing that I learned when I was drought
listen I was going on like 3-4 hours
asleep and driving for like sometimes 17
hours a day like a 17 hour day driving
and I'm falling asleep at the wheel and
I learned breathing techniques that you
can do that would wake you up that would
send oxygen to your blood make your
heart to start pumping a little bit
faster producing blood quicker and
there's things that make you more alert
there's breathing techniques to do is uh
what is it breathing through the right
nostril would wake you up would energize
you breathing out of the left nostril
will put you to sleep alternate nostril
breathing so there's some of these
techniques that if you want to try this
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resonate with the work and the videos
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it doesn't it doesn't start with me and
it doesn't end with me if it does then I
fail you know in the goal is to raise up
disciples their goal is to raise up
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becoming the best you that you can be
impacting the most people that you can
but also impacting them to have the most
effect to have you in a place where
you're powerful and effective and that's
through chillin hanging out with the
Holy Spirit
you know Holy Spirit comes upon you you
shall receive power you'll be powerful
and effective as you pray so that's what
I'm trying to do Teil says you doing it
bro thank you
obviously it's resonating but I want to
make sure like you know that people are
you know stepping out and and they feel
encouraged man I want people to know
that that uh it's about them not about
me I could just be open and honest about
my experiences and obviously it's
helping others so I want you to do the
same thing you'd be open and honest
about your experience and hope to help
others and if we all bring our piece of
the puzzle to the table put it together
it formulates a picture man we're able
to see clearly we're all different
pieces we all hold that we're a
different piece of the body
we're a different part we do different
things we operate
differently some of us move in different
circles you know and we honor that 100%
and I love it this is the body of Christ
this is what God is doing in this hour
for sure it ain't just through me
there's a bunch of other ministries and
and people who don't even use the term
ministry I've even been you know using a
lot of Christian lingo lately but uh you
know your life is your ministry
understand that your life is your
ministry if you want to step into
ministry
it starts understanding that every
morning when you wake up and you put
them cold feet on the ground boom you
put your feet on the ground
that's your ministry when you understand
that ministry starts there then you'll
be ready for full-time ministry because
there you're entering it and we were
talking about people seeking a
microphones people seeking a platform
it's addictive man the applause of men
but shout out to the ones who understand
that when you wake up you start that's
your ministry it's good stuff I remember
years ago the band Evanescence came out
and they had the song bring me to life
and they had a Christian guy is I can't
think of his name right off but he's
from the band 12:12 stones was rapping
on the song the Christian stores were
selling that album because that was
their first single I had a Christian
rapper on it it had a lot of Christian
deems God themes dealing with you know
desires and things like that and
Christian market picked it up they were
selling that that at Christian stores
the Christian bookstores because it was
selling like hotcakes they were huge
right when he came out Evanescence and
they did they was doing interviews with
them and say hey are you guys a
Christian band because that was the
biggest thing you know back in the day
are they a Christian band or are they
Christians in a band tell us now their
guitarist rocky was from the from a
Christian metal band so there was all
these things and they did doing these
interviews with Amy from Evanescence and
say hey is this your ministry this is
they said no this band is not my
ministry my life is my ministry every
day that I wake up and I get to interact
and
with people my ministry begins and so
they kind of denounced being a Christian
man I think she even cursed in the
interview and then that's when the
Christian market pulled their albums and
quit selling it at the Christian
bookstores and all that kind of stuff
but um I share that just to say that
it's a revelation that comes to note to
know your impact to know who who you are
you know and where ministry starts and
where it ends and it definitely starts
when you wake up it doesn't start when
you get a microphone
it doesn't start when you have a
Facebook page or a church you know
people want to wake up and do that now
there are things that you can do to to
step into being a creative you know many
of us are creatives and we want to we do
art and things like that and we mix that
and that's your ministry too it makes
people smile it lightens people's loads
it you know music all of that stuff man
it's all ministry but don't think that
it looks like that or you have to have a
paycheck or something once you
understand that then I think you get
your heart right in the right place to
step out into what we've deemed
full-time ministry and I'm gonna do
another video on that another teaching
just to kind of all that stuff together
but it's been something on my heart and
just with my own going through what it
looks like and how to get there and all
that kind of stuff and so yeah I just
want to encourage people man put your
best foot forward get into the word man
spend time with the Lord spend time with
with your community hold people close
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y'all for hanging out last start here
Shelley says every interaction
throughout your days ministry when it's
Christ centered Bravo
this little light of mine for sure but
sure love you guys see y'all tonight
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