UFOs, ETs, Christianity, Jesus, God, New Age and more | Craig Walker
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me today craig walker brother welcome to
the truth seeker podcast man how are you
i'm very good thank you i'm very honored
to be here i'm a massive fan myself i've
listened to your podcast for many years
and the fact that i'm on it now is quite
literally brilliant for me
it's your time brother it's your time
launching your dancing period um so so
what came first for you the uh like
chicken or the egg or the podcast or the
music
it was the podcast uh for me um honestly
what happened was um
years well i was having my kind of
awakening and researching and into stuff
and and i thought to myself i thought um
we really need someone who
has a podcast who just like bridges the
gap between christianity and and new age
and and just really goes out there and
just just talks about this stuff and i
thought i think i should do this and
somebody messaged me said obviously this
guy truth seeker and obviously i checked
you out i'm like this is exactly what i
was looking for so i just went from the
beginning right the way through uh
followed your journey and and i just
every time you release one i'm there and
wow yeah i'm on this one now
for sure dude like that's it right
you're it's so cool how spirit works
everything out and uh so how many you
think you've you haven't listened to all
the episodes right there's over four
hundred and something you've listed yeah
and some of them are quite long as well
particularly in the early days weren't
yeah yeah
i mean i i
just i just went from i was hungry i was
absolutely ravenously hungry for this
stuff you know so i just went through
and i was having you know um
to read like say researching sort of i
did go down the conspiracy route but but
i think that led me to a place of quite
a lot of enlightenment with regards to
sort of extraterrestrials and government
projects and things like that you know
um
and obviously you touched on all those
subjects you know so i was like i was
just locking it all up
yeah and obviously for the most part i
try to touch on those subjects from a
good light like you know i'm saying not
versus like
what's out there from a christian
perspective is be careful it's it's
they're gonna get you they're gonna
abduct you uh their demons and
witchcraft is bad and divination is bad
and so hold on this guy's bringing it to
the table from a biblical perspective
like telling us wait the bible is full
of these stu this these experiences and
it it in a good light we've never heard
that before man so i know that's where
like that's what sets me apart man and
uh and it's cool that i've been able to
kind of sprinkle you know that those
seeds on on many people in in their
research and encourage you not let you
know you're not marginalized you're not
by yourself you said something on the
talk that we recently did with with dr
charnell you said um you felt like you
were getting out out there at times and
getting in some pretty weird you know
deep deep water but you're like as long
as i'm not
out further than true sick i'm okay kind
of thing exactly you am i do you know
what i mean when i say you were my
canary you know what they used to do
with canaries yeah back in the night in
the day with the mines you know
um
and i i just explained that explain that
for people who don't know what people
don't know basically back in the day uh
in in the mines uh i don't know if it
was where in the states but certainly
here in the uk they used to take a
canary down because obviously there was
toxic gases so if the canary died
um they were like oh there's gases we
need to get out sort of thing so it was
like there how they measured the
toxicity of the cat so i thought if
truth seekers here um i'm doing all
right
yeah he's still alive he's still still
wow he seems to be functioning yeah yeah
but like i just wanted to say like you
know i mean you've got such a warm
fatherly vibe about you that and you
make this stuff safe like you say i mean
i've come from a christian background
and it's very it was very fear based and
this stuff was so out of bounds
um and like i say i just want to sort of
honor you and just say thank you for for
doing this because it's uh it's really
helping a lot of people certainly help
me
get over that fear and just just listen
to people listen to people that we don't
understand or normally talk to you know
you've really bridged that gap so yeah
huge man huge and it is huge right it's
big it shouldn't be because it's so
simple you know but but at least for us
from a christian background it was and i
wouldn't
because that's our background but
there's obviously other people who
aren't christians who are resonating
with this information too
even even the hard conversations like
hey i'm not a christian but i'm this or
i was scared of that and so let it come
come to the table let us reason and let
us just share our stories and something
so simple
was yet so profound you know
exactly and you just listen to people
you know i i i'm like that as well i
will talk to anybody about this stuff i
don't care who you are if you're into
this stuff you know org you know
um and since i've started talking out
you know i've had messages of people and
just wanting to tell me their story i
mean i've had people tell me i'm a super
soldier you know i've done this that and
the other and i'm just like okay let's
talk about it you know
yeah are you gonna like provide a safe
place for them you know
yeah in uh you know it doesn't mean
you're an expert doesn't mean you
understand or you have the answers but
it's like listen i'll i'll talk to you
you know what i'm saying and that's one
thing that you know just people knowing
that they're not alone you know what i'm
saying is huge huge we've always heard
that but we you know we know the power
behind it um
so i guess that's kind of like let's
frame your story a little bit your
spiritual awakening again guys buckle up
we're gonna talk about it all uh jesus
ufos new age ets magic like music all of
it so make sure you guys buckle up but
we're going to set the framework just to
kind of know where your head is right
where because you got to know where you
came from in order to know where you're
going so you mentioned coming from a
christian background christian
perspective and with that i'm i'm
assuming you kind of even with that got
into christian mysticism or at least
some of the the fringe guys ian clayton
kirby some of those guys who were kind
of like pioneers in a christian new
thought if you will can you just kind of
frame your story of like where you came
from with that aspect of even becoming a
christian
yeah totally i mean i mean i was born
into a christian home um my parents were
weekly church-goers
and
i would obviously always go along sunday
school did the whole christian thing to
the point where my my education my
school education from being three years
old to 16 was a christian education it
was a private christian school i went to
and i mean
i was like so christian it you know
really how was it i was like god's
number one man you know what i mean i
won i won christian character awards
years on a truck on the truck at my
school i was a really good boy you know
uh churchgoers and uh yeah so i mean
you can't get more christian than how i
lived and how i was raised
and
so i guess the question would be what
happened um
i was always hungry for god i was always
hungry for more i always knew that that
you know i i
was fully fledged into the christian
thing in church and i was thought oh the
only thing god's ever going to do is do
the church so i'm here you know this is
where my heart
it would never settle as much as i tried
um
and
i i was always fascinated with the
supernatural you know i love the
supernatural aspect of christianity
and i would see this gap between church
life and
like what i read in the bible for
example um and you know all the healings
and you know peter's shadow healing
people and all this kind of stuff and
i'm like where is this why don't we
experience this now so
um you know i i
started a lot of times in the faith
movement and you know i'll used to
listen to the copelands and all that
kind of stuff and that really helped me
sort of like learn about manifestation
and things like that
and
and then i jumped into mainly because
i'm i'm a musician and i do play drums
in a band called end ascension
and that's just an aside just like so i
was i was kind of a child prodigy and
and i take no i can't take credit for
this i i was born with an ability to
play the drums
um i i just could i could just do it
who's your favorite drummer
[Laughter]
actually no
my favorite of all time i'd say has to
be mike portnoy um
he was in great dream theater for 25
years
there you go yeah yeah yeah um he's left
them now but yeah he's like really
inspiring but i mean obviously neil
peter and
simon phillips just to name a few uh
roger taylor from queen was always a big
influence as a kid um because i was a
big queen fan but yeah i mean music's a
massive part of my life and that's
something we can definitely talk about
um
but uh yes i mean i used to play drums
in church you know i was like as a kid
as a little boy i mean i was up there
with the worship group you know
um
so he was always like oh look at this
little boy playing drums and stuff like
that and again i can't don't feel like i
can take credit for that because it was
just a natural ability i could just do
it
um
but yeah so because of that this leads
me to what i was saying i really got
into some morning star because they're
oh yeah there you go nick and that
worship was like
totally out there for his time you know
it was really pioneering something
did you hear my interview with leonard
jones
um years ago yes i did a brilliant i
love that guy i mean what a cool guy you
know i love that sort of jesus movement
um
and and there's sort of hippies and all
that sort of stuff i think they get this
stuff that we talk about actually a lot
of time
which is really cool so yeah i mean i
jumped well into that and but think that
led me into sort of like they were
having supernatural experiences and i'll
never forget the first time i heard you
know on the glory cd of morning star the
very last track where they sang i want
to hold your hand and the cloud came in
and everybody stopped and it was just
like like goosebumps when i listened to
you know even to this day i could i
still get that you know just when you
said it i'm getting them so yeah yeah
yeah i did too
um and and you know christine potter
like just starts like praying some sort
of singing some song and what have you
so i was just like what is this why does
this happen and obviously my mind's
opening like the possibilities
so you know i really honor um
the creep my christian past i don't i
don't regret it in any way shape or form
country to look you know a lot of people
who certainly deconstructed they go oh
what a lot of rubbish no no i really
honor that and i honor where i've come
from and and these these great people um
so yeah i was into morningstar and that
helped me with the music and don potter
and all that kind of stuff would you
read the material of the the books and
stuff too yeah i mean i i jumped in like
with both feet with that and i got all
right join this box and obviously the
final quest and the call
massive massive uh books i mean they're
just really sort of you know amazing at
the time and things like that
um yeah so i i read it all i mean i was
always interested in christian doctrine
um you know i read all right join his
books on doctrine and that really helped
me and
um i guess leading up to um 2005 i was
20 years old
um and i was into sort of like um todd
bentley and and that sort of movement
um
and i would sort of you know tell them
to come over to the uk and i'd go along
and it was just wild you know it was
great i loved it
yeah exactly
you know loads of stuff going on there
and and um you know um paul keith davis
um i love paul keith davis um
and obviously bob jones and all those
people
um funnily enough shawnelle who i'm
friends with was in with all those
people and i didn't i didn't connect
with her then you know i didn't have any
sort of connection with that that i'm
aware of anyway certainly not in the 3d
world
um but obviously since connected with
her quite strongly since then
but yeah in 2005 and god said well
actually i went to a top bentley
conference and obviously i believe
inspired by god he came to me and you
know the lines used to pray for people
yeah um and he and he came to me when
you need to come to canada and i was it
and walked off i was like oh right okay
you know
um anyway i went home fine you know um
and then um i
completely forgot about that a couple of
weeks later
uh my dad uh saw that top belly was
putting on a conference in canada um
that was the february it was the
following april
and my dad went craig i don't know why
but i feel we need to go to this i was
like and then it reminded me what to
believe said um i was like oh yeah and i
told him tom bentley said to me to come
to canada
and so long story short my dad and i
flew over to canada and we went to this
conference um
oh what was it called something about
the supernatural i can't remember
um
and it was rick joyner it was john paul
jackson uh obviously todd bentley uh don
potter was doing the worship so it was
like made for me you know yeah
um
and and there was i was the first time i
ever saw something like that i'd barely
believe my own eyes i saw feathers and
you know in front of like thousands of
people there during the worship and
there was about 30 feathers just
appeared in like above the stage
and they were just falling they just
they morphed they morphed in front of
our eyes it appeared right they didn't
just because at first i thought oh no
how embarrassing there's like a pigeon
caught in the aircon or something like
that
and then when i looked and i looked up
it was about there was about 40 foot
high ceilings a really high ceiling and
about 10 foot down
um you would we were all just watching
these feathers just one after the other
i knew all different colors shapes and
sizes and i've still got one to this day
uh
well it's at my dad's house
my mum and dad's
um and i i was taller than most people
so i reached up and and i got it you
know and then i've kept it and
to these days like i can remember seeing
it it's like did i really see that you
know so just morphing from nothing yeah
yeah this was really satisfying this
desire for kind of the supernatural and
i was like this is brilliant this is
what i really really want and
anyway at that conference um
the conference ended and we went to top
english church just the night before we
left uh to come home
and i got
a call
um i was called out um
and i was prophesied over that basically
i received a a scroll basically
um
and on the scroll was written joel's
army
and it was this whole joel's army thing
about you know youth etc etc and i
believe it applies to what's going on
today that's again we can talk about
that in a bit
um
and i mean i was absolutely
like blown to pieces like just i could
barely function you know i was just like
whoa and you know you've seen angels
around me and all this kind of stuff and
he just prophesied destiny over me
so i came home from um from canada like
absolutely elated like wow what an
experience now i'm so glad i went so
glad we paid the money to fly over et
cetera and i kid you not
uh 2005 april 2005 my feet hit the the
ground back in the uk in manchester
airport
my whole life fell apart
everything i thought i knew
everything i thought um
you know i'd had a good christian
girlfriend at the time that completely
like went naff
um
my work everything my whole life fell
apart it's like everything went wrong
yeah i was like what's going on and then
obviously i'd hear like rick joyner talk
about when you receive a word
um you know there will always be a will
or usually be a wilderness and i mean i
just went right into the caves i
disappeared and you know
i was like just seeking god you know god
what's going on
again uh coming forward and
you know i i got i got married i met my
wife
um who's now my wife
and we have two kids now
um they've just arrived if you can hear
them yeah yeah
yeah
um you know so i did the family thing i
was working but i was always sort of
seeking god you know what i mean and i
was hungry for more but it just seemed
like the more i saw the more trouble i
came across
you know um trouble as in how as in
like situations that were
um
outside your box or or like bad
situations for you
um situations that were sort of like and
for training basically were preparing me
for something and i was being prepared
for something yeah
um so i uh sorry just one second okay
you're good
i'm not
yeah
come on sweetheart yeah i don't know
what she just got back from the arcade
with that with my wife anyway
um yeah so what was i saying
i've lost my train of thought just the
the trials and how you felt like you're
being prepared yeah yeah and oh that was
another thing in in the word i got you
know when trump was prophesying over me
he said to me you're going to enter into
a season of training and preparation so
that really helped me kind of understand
what was going on you know like
um so i just disappeared in on a sort of
on an
external level you know i i got family
um and i did did just in life you know
and i
it was in uh 2016 coming all the way
forward in all that time i was i was
just you know how old was you when this
when this you know i was starting
i i was 20 years old in 2005 when i was
went to canada
and i've had i've been i was in the
wilderness ever since you know i was in
this this dark place
um of training
um so i
it was 2016 something happened and i
can't put my finger on what it was but
uh my my mind was opened um i was
seeking god and something just went slam
and and i i started to see the the power
of the universal christ you know
and and the true gospel and that that
led me into seeing how christianity has
been manipulated
throughout the centuries and the bible
and things like that and all the
problems and the reasons why there's
problems
uh with many of our beliefs etc
so
so you say you say something happened do
you can you pinpoint it was it uh like a
bunch of stuff was it
did you start listening to
uh other people outside of christianity
or was it something
in the scriptures that unfolded for you
like what like what what exactly
happened i i would say was um
well what you were saying before a few
years before that i suppose in around
2013
um i
yeah all right i'll tell you this i i i
had an interview with karina once and
she's the only person i've ever told
this to publicly but okay i'll say it
now um
in about 2013 you know regardless of
where people are at on the issue um you
know i've changed a lot since then but
when gay marriage was legalized over
here in the uk in 2013. i had a i had an
issue with it don't judge whatever
um
and uh i was just in prayer and i just
said god you know um
what's going on you know we're really
uninfluential we're really losing this
what's happening and and i heard that
booming in audible voice say
christianity is dead and it's me that's
killed it
wow
and obviously i was like jesus how could
you say such a thing you're wrong you
know you can't say that you know it's
your it's your thing you know
and that that stuck with me and it took
a couple of years for me to sort of that
really sink in and in that time i
discovered like the likes of company
burning hearts you know just in abraham
like ian clayton um
and i i started to hear the gospel in a
different way but but it was the
mystical gospel and i really connected
with like um the celtic saints i i have
a deep love of celtic culture you know
obviously i live in england and i live
near scotland and ireland etc and
there's a big celtic culture it's
probably in my dna as well
um
but yeah i really connected with that so
when justin for example would talk about
the old celtic saints and stuff i was
really fascinated with that and their
stories and the stories of patrick and
columba and all those
um
so so that was that which led me again
leads me up to 2016 when i was having
you know hearing these things i was
loving of just in and then talking about
going to heaven
and i never really did it i didn't
really understand it but i guess
now that i look back i've never really
thought about this before
those few years leading up to this i was
being made ready for something you know
um
so
2016 and again
i was in a really sort of in a just a
longing place for more like i just sort
of was the whole time and i felt like
finally my prayer was being answered
because
um i discovered the mirror bible
okay
have you ever read the mirror
um i have not but
but i seen something on it this morning
did you post something on your page i
can't post anything i'm banned that's
so you didn't that's so weird because
i haven't really heard of it until this
morning so there's a synchronicity i'm
going to look at that
um long and short um i discovered the
mirror bible which basically is a guy
called francois de tour i think that
they pronounce he's the south african
guy who who's who's
not reint he's not he's not twisting the
bible he's accused a lot of um twisting
the bible and and and you know getting
it wrong but actually he's he go he
delves right into the original language
and presents it in an inclusive way you
know with the inclusive gospel
it's amazing it's a work in progress
it's not finished yeah
and and and my mind just went kaboom you
know this is when i began to start i
started to deconstruct um from religious
um
false religious beliefs
um and and actually
there was a time when um francois was
coming over to the uk and i just
messaged him and said i'd love to meet
you you know like i'd love to hear your
talk and what have you he's got loads of
messages on youtube by the way he's
brilliant i love him to pieces
and he said he messaged me back saying
i'm coming to you
i was like what okay okay so i put on a
little event and to be brutally honest
with me going through this
deconstruction i was quite public about
it like in my mind i was like this is
amazing guys you know
listen to this this is like the true
gospel and i couldn't i was i was kind
of hurt by the by the backlash i got
like oh no no that's heresy you know
francoise a
a a a crazy guy and all this kind of
stuff and i was just like
what
you know i've never felt love like this
before the inclusive love of god you
know in christ
um and i was i was getting like just
like wrecked on love and and it was
really healing me in many ways
and anyway
francois came over and we had me and
because i'd had so much backlash it
wasn't actually a great turnout but i
kind of felt that francois came because
of what was going on with me and a small
group of us we were all kind of going
through this together
some of us in the band and the sentinel
i don't know if you know my dad plays
guitar in intercession
yeah yeah and my brother plays bass so
it's kind of like a family affair okay i
didn't even know that yeah yeah yeah and
our singer uh alan uh francoise and his
wife lydia stayed with our singer alan
and and
it was like having jesus hang out your
house for a couple of days it was it was
beautiful you know that guy carries
something definitely uh for this
generation and it's um i highly
recommend him
uh and i just feel like he came over and
he just imparted to us like
for two days just constant living word
living word he just flows out of him you
know and so yeah i highly recommend
francoise work
um so yeah that that brought a lot of
healing and and i can't remember what
year that was
but
learning about the universal christ and
that christ is the all in all and fills
all things that god is everywhere etc
um that made me um
liberated me to go outside of christian
christendom you know
um i i just became so hungry for truth
and i was like right
i found this out i want to know the
truth no matter what it is i want to
know what's going on in the world
um and that led me to um actually to
gaia you know the the um streaming
platform yeah yeah yeah yeah
and i just thought you know i i felt the
pull basically yeah and and i learned
loads on gaia you know
and now i came across uh cosmic
disclosure with david wilcock yeah
wilcock was was huge for me too yeah
yeah yeah and i discovered his work so i
mean
my jaw dropped
when i was listening to this stuff
because i was like there was like in my
head it was like no no talking about
demons talking about demons but my heart
was going like out my chest like this is
this he's talk this is real you know
talking about the experiences and
government projects like i said before
with extraterrestrials
and i made that connection that you know
because i've always been fascinated with
angels and
and demons and and just unseen things
yeah and i realized that
they were talking about the same thing
just with a different language
and then i realized like so many
different like movements fall out
because of
language issues you know they can be
talking about the same thing but they're
using a different terminology like no
you're talking about demons because
you're not saying the same words as i am
yeah it's like i presume you've had that
as well oh yeah we
continue to have it
for sure
yeah
i mean you know i know i i you notice
your new album is it called white magic
yeah
i'll be getting that for sure
um you know just that alone would
trigger i know right i was scared
because i i know that people are gonna
miss out on it because of the name
but it's with the creativity it's the
definitions you know what i'm saying
like i wanna do it but i know that it's
gonna it's gonna challenge a lot of
people so i i would hope that they don't
miss out because there's a lot of
spirit-filled music in there you know
yeah absolutely and it looks more like a
magical you know magic like
you know occultic kind of thing but it's
a cult just means hidden you know it's
all it is absolutely
these are the things i've learned as
well is that you know energy work and
things like that like jesus was the
ultimate energy worker exactly
um everything he did was was using
our our energy systems which is the
christ within
you know and and he would he would
manifest from this place of of
ascension and elevation
and i relate this to what's happening
today you know there are many many
people who are going through this
ascension experience where they are
having like deconstruction and and
losing the religion
but then i find a lot of people are
going like into no man's land like well
what now nothing's trivial
yeah nothing's really real and i'm like
no dude
you know there there is a truth out
there it's just you know we need to lose
our illusions before we learn the truth
you know
and so i i see people like ourselves as
bridge makers for these people look you
know come and listen to this come and
see this come and check this out you
know there's a lot out there to be
discovered
um
so i guess that leads me to where i am
today and
i
discovering the universal christ um and
the christ that fills all in all
i began to recognize the christ in
others like i would listen to new age
teachers and things like that and and
even hindu gurus and buddhist teachers
and meditators and things like that and
i realized that we're all talking about
the same thing we're all tapping into
that inner
reality which we call christ they might
call it chi or
whatever whatever they call it this
inner world
kundalini exactly i remember you know
kundalini you know people would share
that saying oh it's demons demons are
making them fling around but if it was a
church meeting they'd be like oh yeah
that's all right that's the holy spirit
now they're getting more scrutiny now
that that term is more disgusting
there's videos on it now now like
hardcore like baptist kind of people
will point at bethel and say bethel is
operating under the kundalini like they
would say that that's not even the holy
spirit it's the kundalini that's like oh
my god you guys are so silly i know i
know and again that proves the language
issue that we're talking the same thing
if i say the anointing of the holy
spirit or kundalini we're talking about
the same thing come on guys grow up you
know
well it's so i mean you know the terms
and the phrases they they do have you
know slightly different meanings because
like
people work with that energy and then
they make
what you say doctrines behind it or ways
that we can interact with it there's
ways that you can interact with
kundalini that i've never heard that you
interact with the holy spirit and so
therefore
when you say those terms
when you start when you start
researching kundalini you're going to
find
different traditions you're going to
find different modalities different
manifestations and so for the christian
who's just you know
the simplicity of the holy spirit if you
will um it seems a little bit different
and so there's the fear that hey you you
may get caught up in some weird
doctrines that we don't vouch for
and we may think are demonic or harmful
that lead you away from christ but
so that that's the christian
that is afraid of of that word right
because it's a different it's a
different spirit
but um but the same could be said for
holy spirit just using that word like
how many churches are going to give you
different
ways to interact with the holy spirit
different um uh limitations on just the
holy spirit the holy spirit doesn't
speak like that anymore brother the holy
spirit
is only here to convict you you know and
so there's all these weird doctrines
that still
lead you astray in your understanding
and interaction with the precious holy
spirit so it's the same it doesn't
matter that the terminology you know
just by saying as long as we keep it
biblical because that word is in the
bible um and people are familiar with it
it still it can still lead people to
john macarthur who says that listen the
gifts of the spirit are done away with
jesus doesn't operate like that anymore
and all of that kind of stuff you know
which is just as
dangerous from a christian perspective i
would say you know we're trying to point
fingers
yep
no i i just just came to my mind then
again you know the celtic saints and the
celtic christians used to call the holy
spirit the wild goose
um
that's not in the bible but that's how
you catch
exactly you know because that's how they
related to to to it you know and that
that's totally cool that's totally fine
and i'm sure the whole expert absolutely
loves being called the wild goose that's
why you get a wild goose chase you know
but let's just stay on it for a second i
mean because
the holy spirit is not a name
like we think that that's his name like
like people even some of the charismatic
movements have like said that that's his
name they call him you can't you have to
even take
the out of it because v is like an
object
holy spirit as a name is first name holy
second name spirit as a friend or as a
person
and uh you say yeah man holy spirit's
here and you know holy spirit told me
this the holy spirit that holy and they
kind of try to personalize it that way
but
if the word just means a set apart
essence
something holy something different
doesn't mean that that's its name that
you have to address it by it is
it just means it's a sacred
energy a sacred essence a sacred breath
if you will and so that's what connects
all of these things together it's not
the terminology or the name
because other translations say holy
ghost
and people are scared of that there's
this movement to say he's not a ghost
the ghost is a disembodied spirit of a
deceased love relative or something is
like we don't need to call him holy
ghost so there's these weird doctrines
on
something that's
probably shouldn't even be a doctor
behind anyway you know what i'm saying
exactly
yeah so
i was just just thinking about it then
as well um
i'd say that the language barrier has
been a real problem so when i've i've
gone into sort of what would be classed
as new age circles i don't like calling
it new age i don't like because the
christians use that as a bad word
exactly yeah yeah yeah and i know i
appreciate you know some people you
associate with uh
coined the next day
that's cool
um
but um
i just i just think i have learned so
much because i i don't claim to be an
expert at all and i've gone into new age
circles and i've just listened to them
like you do and i have learned so much
through just engaging them
and what they have to offer and and it
doesn't contradict
the bible it doesn't contradict it might
contradict our understanding of the
bible yeah um
but it doesn't contradict
the christian message in fact in many
ways they're doing the stuff a lot more
than christians are
and
that's what that was a big part of my
awakening
yeah just seeing you know it is the
universal christ because hold on how
were these people bearing fruit
and that's what i started judging people
by i started judging myself by you know
uh things that i'm watching what is the
fruit that comes from this and so that
could come from you know a new age
teaching or new age music or whatever
spiritual music it's like what is the
how does this music make me feel it
makes me feel more connected to
to people it makes me feel more
connected to nature there's no christian
music that does that it makes me
christian music makes me feel more
connected to christ for sure but what
about connected to
everyone else as an extension of me as
being part of the body of christ even
you know and so just judging the fruit
and i just started to judge everything
by the fruit and i started you know
paying attention to you know spirit
people in the spiritual movements and
stuff like that or people
even different denominations of
christianity which was huge you know and
starting to see fruit in these people's
lives and uh and i had to judge it so
yeah this is good fruit
this is peace joy patience love kindness
all indicators that this person is
spending time
with the holy spirit because those are
the fruits of the spirit that this stuff
will naturally come out of your life and
and i started seeing that in others and
i wasn't seeing it in christians
i was seeing it in hindus and i was
seeing it in
people into ufology you know what i'm
saying but i wasn't seeing it in certain
christians and so those certain
christians got that pass
because they called themselves
christians and they used the bible but
they had no fruit in their lives they
may be racist
judgmental bigoted hateful but they get
a pass
because they're one of us
no
i'm judging by the fruit and that person
is one of me the person that you've said
that that christ isn't in them and he's
not dealing with them because they
haven't
you know said this prayer and so that
revolutionized things for me and um and
started seeing the universe of christ
christ in everything and everyone who
has redeemed the entire cosmos unto
himself
exactly exactly and i mean i was in uh
oh meditation a good few years ago now
and you know when you just get like a
sentence dropped in and it's like i'm
still unpacking
i just heard once um
the cosmos is contained within human dna
just that and he was just
you know i was just like
whoa and i'm still like whoa about it
you know
it's like
because i've been learning to go within
and when you go with it you can go out
yeah yeah that's how you do it yeah yeah
exactly so um
and i realized that this is why it was
so important that you know the fullness
of what we call god had to incarnate as
a human you know
um
but again with that that doctrinally you
know we i mean i've got my tread on some
toes here we just have so many questions
and it's okay to question yeah exactly
yeah yeah um that's exactly right i have
i have more questions than i have
answers and that's okay you know i don't
so i mean i think justin abraham said
once that's an invitation into mystery
you know just just go with it and i just
i love that
you know we the christian culture that
we have that we worship jesus as some
superior god yeah he's one of us
you know i don't go to the shop and
worship this person behind the counter
you know i'm they're just we're all one
and that was jesus message
and i was just like at
this whole
worship culture and i'm not on about
like
let me put this way the way i see
worship going and music and things it's
coming from a place of union from a
place of being seated together with
christ and manifesting moving into the
the world from this
place of higher consciousness
i think that's that's how music is going
to move in you know in in the well now i
i think you're what's happening to that
you know what i mean
and and rather than being from the earth
going into heaven and meeting god we're
actually already in that place and we're
moving into the earth from that place
and we're expressing ourselves with
music with sounds with words poetry etc
and we're we're bringing um heaven to
the earth through our art and our music
etc
and just how god brought heaven to earth
is through art and through creativity
co-creators this is it you know we are
co-included
co-co-creators with god that's our
purpose as a species
and i think many people are doing that
without even knowing it i mean i think
about elon musk and i don't know what i
think about the guy to be honest with
you but he's doing some stuff that he's
could really benefit humanity in a
massive way i mean
i really believe we're going
interstellar i believe that as a species
we should be occupying at least two
other planets that's my opinion and
and that we have the technologies you
know wormhole technologies portal
technologies that we can just go to
mars like that you know i don't have you
ever heard of this the i've mentioned
this before in other interviews but um
the whistleblower
he's he had a fake name henry deacon but
he was really called arthur newman have
you ever heard of him
uh not particularly but um was he like a
time traveler kind of thing or no um he
was um well he was a he worked he was
american
but he worked here in the uk uh a
military base i don't know which one it
was i think it was somewhere down down
south towards london way
um and he basically said look i would go
to work in the morning i'd walk down
this corridor from this this military
base in the uk and i've come out the
other side and i was on mars and i'd go
and work for the day doing my work and
then i'd come home and i'd go home for
tea
you know and i was just like
sorry what you know it's kind of like
corey good kind of stuff
yeah i i yeah um it was it was some
kerry cassidy that actually got this guy
to come forward
um and he did a few um he's disappeared
again now um he did a few jumbo oh bob
dean did you ever hear bob dean yeah
he did some some uh conferences with bob
dean and carrie cassidy and this they're
on youtube if people want to watch him
you know
um amazing amazing information you know
and these things just they just open my
my mind yeah you know just the
possibilities you know
um so again this this is the journey
i've been on and and i look at myself
now and i think if 10 years ago i could
look at me now i'd be like i have lost
the plot you know what i mean that's a
good thing it shows we're growing you
know because if we stay from ten years i
know people that
you know we've been going to church and
doing the same things for like 50 60
years and have never changed i'm like
what's up with that you know you know
and it works for them you got to find
what's working well that's all that's
right yeah
it's that simplicity it's that
you know this is the way things are and
i'm okay with it you know and
like whatever's helping people and if
that's helping people i'm for it you
know i would i would never
you know shake them and christ is in all
and through all you need to you need to
see it like me there's a reason you
can't see it like me you haven't been
through
what i've been through you haven't seen
what i've seen but but god god can
awaken you
and that and that is
you know a deep mystery that i think we
all should see right i mean obviously i
i think it it is available for everybody
but we get to it three different ways
sometimes they're
very similar i think awakening the
planet is going through a global
awakening christians are going through
an awakening um
but yeah being able to see that that
christ i don't know did you listen to um
you know i'm a big manly p hall fan and
um he had he has that book
uh the way of the lonely ones and he he
there's some original stories in there
but he wrote original story on
um um the face of christ and it was just
about this mystic who had an encounter
with christ in in the woods and he met a
hermit that
um he
he uh drunk in a magic elixir and then
he can see christ in everything and he
was almost like plagued by his savior
because he would look into the water and
the reflections he would see christ he
would look at the trees and the trees he
would see the face of his savior he'd
look into the clouds and into the bugs
and everywhere he looked he would see
his savior and it was like this
universal
mystery that that plagued them and then
he's uh
you know was trying to recapture it and
stuff and um
just
this
beauty to be able to see god or christ
in in everything
and it's almost like it is a mis a
mystical experience to to train yourself
to look at something long enough until
you see it
you know like everything exists
um good and the bad in everything in you
and in me in christianity in the new age
in the gospel listen there's good and
bad and and you get to hold on and and
and see what you want and
if if you're an alchemist
you know and just you can extract it out
of it you can pull something out of that
and jesus was able to do that man that's
why he's so beautiful he was able to go
to broken people and see him whole he
was seen being able to see a version of
them that existed without that ailment a
version of them that existed without the
shame and the guilt and the condemnation
and he was able to pull it out of them
so much so that he embodied that and he
became that part of them that they hated
he became that part of them that other
people hated and despised listen i
become your sin just so you can be free
and i'm going to show you i'm going to
embody it it's no more you are sin free
and so like that's the reason like the
message of the gospel is so powerful man
because he was able to alchemize sin bro
the parts of us that we hate about
ourselves the part of us that deserves
to be judged like he became that that
message is so liberating and it's not
just for church people it is to explore
the depths and to be able to see him in
all of it man and
there's nothing more mystical to me than
that listen i love it all you know i do
i love mushrooms i love aliens and et's
and angels and frequencies and all
because he is in it all i've trained
myself to see him in it all right
because he is every every good and
perfect gift comes from the father above
if it's good it's god you know so when
we that is a that is a mystery that is
you know the essence of of being a
seeker of christ or a seeker of god man
is the seeker of that which is good
brilliantly sad and it just got me
thinking when you were talking there you
know uh
because i i
i put a facebook post out a while ago
when i wasn't banned um
just saying look i i found more friend
true friendship camaraderie and and
heartfelt connection with people in the
new so-called new age movement than i
ever did in my history in church
there was always like a a an unspoken
condition that you had to agree on stop
everything yeah yeah in church
um and if you questioned or don't
associate with them going down a bad
path you know what i mean it's all
fear-based um
i found with
you know talking just talking to people
in in the new age
i don't like that but you know what i'm
talking about we gotta think of another
word
yeah spiritual communities
i was nervous at first about saying
where i'd come from and and yeah so i
believed and said
and i absolutely do not go in and
evangel try to evangelize them and make
them think like me i'm there to learn
um
but i mean i kind of said you know i've
come i'm a christian you know i believe
in jesus and and you know what i find
like we totally love jesus jesus is
awesome you know he's a great guy and
some of them may say yeah he's an
ascended master or whatever or
um yeah he's one of them he is
he is he's my ascended master you know
um and uh and
i felt so accepted and and so sort of
like just like
what i always wanted what i always felt
church should be you know and it really
wasn't
um and i know that there is rising up
now there are movements i mean i say i
look at kingdom talks and things like
that and people like yourself who are
really tapping into this you you just
feel safe around these
you know just to be yourself and to eat
your truth and
that's really encouraging to me that
there are christians getting it you know
yeah and that's one of the things too
because you know we gotta you know you
know we have to
say those names and let people know that
there are people who are
christ-o-centric christ-centered
teachers who are
you know really good at what they do of
challenging the status quo and embracing
the mystery and they're still
christ is the foundation you know the
gospel is the foundation and and they
have a beautiful revelation of the
gospel so just so people know that you
don't have to leave your faith you know
that's my big thing it's like listen
take christ with you like you know the
reason i've been able to be out there on
in deep water and have my head above
water and not drown is because he is my
flotation device like christ is is my
life prison life he's a life preserver
and so you know he is the foundation
anything that's built upon that
foundation which is the foundation of
love everything is going to be shaken
it's just the scripture says it but
anything is built upon that foundation
will stand and so um
you know there's a lot of seekers a lot
of people who uh
you know they may feel similar to you in
in in me
uh
but they have to question your faith and
question christ and do i can i be vocal
can i use the name jesus maybe i have to
say sananda maybe i have to say yeshua
you know what i'm saying or yahweh you
know listen embrace all of those names
um
but take it with you and because there
is a growing movement of christian
mystics christian mysticism christians
who won't judge you and they're open uh
they may not believe or agree with it or
or or practice it but listen
you know live and let live kind of thing
as long as it isn't hurting anybody
they're cool with it and to see
one thing is a lot of older people
stepping into this listen i just went to
and seen you know we went and seen kirby
delano roll at the five-day program went
and seen um
dr o when dr o came i got to meet him
listen the majority of the people were
probably over 60 bro
like there's a lot of older people who
have been looking for this their whole
life
you know what i'm saying and now they're
stepping into it and it's so it's not
just young people that are you know
leaving the faith like people there's a
lot of older people in these movements
and and there's church services that
embrace a lot of this stuff that we've
been told was new age or demonic that um
you know uh
you can you don't have to leave that you
just gotta find those people you have to
go to where you're celebrated
and quit going where you're tolerated
exactly oh you still believe in that
conspiracy stuff hey man what's the
aliens doing this week or laughing at
you and say hey you know it is what it
is but there's a growing movement of
people where churches are embracing all
of this stuff you know and it's
beautiful it is beautiful and it's
ancient you know what i'm saying it's
not new age it's not something new it's
something ancient the early church
understood this and and and they swam in
those waters for sure
amazingly said um you know one of one
things that has fascinated me i mean i
mentioned this on i did a talk again
with with karina
um
and and one of the things that part of
my journey was um
going into the darker cult oh i think i
mentioned it when sean allen i
interviewed you as well
um and thank you for doing that too i
know you you did you put a bug in her
ear to have me on and stuff because
we've crossed past but not like
obviously it was like later as an
epiphany oh yeah true secret you know oh
no well basically i i'm i'm very much a
guy who just lives in the moment and i
just you know i'm a feeler and and when
something comes into my field i pick up
on it and you just came into my field um
you know sean allen and i we we we
interview people and like say we've had
elena dennard and we've done stuff with
laura and people and you just came into
my field and and and so i just said to
shawn how do you know do you know derek
truth seeker sort of thing and she
didn't remember you at first but then
when when she looked she's like oh yeah
i totally know him you know yeah
um and i said we've got to interview
this guy i've got to go on and have a
conversation you know because because
you mean your work and you have been
such a an influence and an inspiration
in my life i was like i'd love to have a
chat about it you know
and so yeah that's how that came about
and as it happens i think that's a great
connection you and shauna are definitely
on the same wavelength and
um you know she's she's singing your
praises etc and i think there might be
another one coming up soon yeah we're
doing some stuff she's hitting me up
with all kind of uh ideas and i love it
so yeah yeah yeah yeah she's great and
she's wonderful so uh um
yeah i had another thought yeah so
part of my journey is i was i was kind
of
um when i discovered the universal
christ i i was kind of pulled into
not to participate but to discover the
dark occult and and
um
secret societies and and that side of
things
um now that that
side is in my dna you know my i had a
grandad who was who was a mason and i
don't know how high up he'd never spoke
about it that never spoke to me about it
so there's something there that
fascinates me about it
and i realized that they've just got the
ancient wisdom the ancient ways and the
ancient knowledge the hidden knowledge
you know
and i've read a book recently that says
it's obviously
it's et
based you know that goes back into the
annunaki and all this kind of stuff in
egypt
um
and there's a definite link there with
today's secret societies and why they
keep the knowledge to themselves
but that's what's so good about jesus to
me is he didn't go and be a
a world leader he wasn't a politician he
was just a normal bloke he came he was
just a carpenter's son you know and you
know we know the story and he went to
the people and he gave them this
knowledge he gave him this
wisdom and and said you're it you've got
this inside of you and i think that's so
important to today that we're taking
this knowledge and we're waking the
normal people up i mean my wife and i
wouldn't run up a crystal shop
an online crystal shop called crystal
falls
because we want this technology in the
hands of the common people you know and
this knowledge and how to use it and how
to cooperate with the crystals and
things like that
it's something that's really big on my
heart you know
can you hear me yeah yeah the crystals
yeah oh sorry sorry i thought it went
dead there yeah just just
yeah
um yes so so is that is that something
that's thriving you know
have running a crystal shop yeah yeah
yeah i mean again it's one of the we
used to go to a crystal shop uh in the
place called gar stand near us uh in the
north of england
um and it shut down and we were really
disappointed you're like oh no what
shame so it was like just one of those
sparks why don't we do it you know
and granted we haven't done a physical
shop yet because of all the stuff that's
going on
and you know there's no high street
presence anymore or anything like that
yeah so we set it up set it up online
and it was like things just fell into
place again like synchronicities and and
you know um everything just it just
worked really well and easily and smooth
as well so i thought oh that you know
this has got great on it for sure
and and you know it's paying for itself
and we went off we've been going for six
months and that's right you guys are
doing this together full-time like a
full-time income no it's it's my wall's
my wife's full-time thing um
help out i set it up and then i sort of
said you know first for her to run
that's always like a self-ruling machine
and she's brilliant she's so like she
puts ten love and care into every
package that she puts together and
she's sensing stuff all across the
country you know
um you know we have a marketing company
uh do our internet marketing and and it
more than pays for all that and it's
just it's just gone from strength to
strength and it's wonderful he loves it
she absolutely loves it
um because she's an empath you know
she's a spiritual person and she just
sends them out with with love and
intention you know and people can feel
that when they get it you know yeah
they'll ask about this because the you
know crystals that's what they do yeah
awesome yeah charged with energy man for
sure that's awesome
what do you do for a
living me well i i have a job in a local
council actually um
uh
my my
career um i've never had a career
anything like that i've never had
anything that's like um
ambitions or anything like that because
i've always i mean as i said before my
heart is in music
um and
you know i play drums i've always played
drums and i'm in the band and ascension
i just wanted a bit of plugins
and
and and when we have albums out there if
people want to check us out and stuff
and like i say
that that's
we're moving forward in that and and you
know we've been on labels and things
like that and
incidentally just as a side note we
actually had a guy called eric gillette
makes our last album who's in a band
with mike pornoy from dream theater
um so you know we're just making
connections again utilizing social media
um and um you know just just meeting new
people and
yeah i mean we were supposed to do the
biggest gig of our of our lives
just before lockdowns uh with um rick
whiteman from yes i don't if you know
him
okay
no i mean i know the band but i don't i
don't know yeah yeah and that was pretty
huge for us and obviously it didn't
happen because everything locked down
yeah
um so
things are rolling and i just really
get a
a strong sense that that what's
happening now is going to
um
cause such massive shifts on a positive
in a positive way and i really do
believe that there's going to be a world
where we can do it
and that many of the things that stop us
from doing what we're here to do um
like financial situation things like
that i think they're all going to be
resolved and i think there's going to be
a world birth out of all this crap
that's going on yeah it's hard to even
talk about that because so many people
you know it's scary you know we're going
through some troubling times and uh
um it's hard to to look at that and and
and i don't know how much we we can or
should talk about it but i will say that
i have been a huge proponent of
the venus project
and uh with jacque fresco and everything
that he brought to the table and designs
and it very is much a futuristic uh
look of using machines and using nature
together
and then i find out i didn't want to
look into this because i've really been
staying away from much of the
conspiracies for for many different
reasons but i finally looked into what
the great reset
could be or whatever right and so i
looked into some of that and i said oh
wow maybe there is a potential of
something good coming out of something
tragic you know and so that's my prayer
that's my hope we don't know i don't
know what the hell's going on none of us
do
we need to embrace each other right now
we need to embrace every moment we need
to embrace every breath this is stuff
we've been preaching for years this is
the heart
of spirituality this is the heart of
what we bring to the table is to live in
the moment because you're not promised
tomorrow it's just it is what it is and
so if we can get the world to be present
to walk in love these are the things
that christ did so with that being said
um
you know hopefully man we can we can see
a better humanity and a better tomorrow
coming and we can fight for it and and
and and project it out there you know
with not with fear but with faith and
it's hard right now it's very hard but i
think it can be done
i i'm absolutely of of the opinion uh
that this is a time when when um
people are going to start standing up
who have a heart for humanity and
there's going to be a shift in sort of
leadership roles and things like that
and and
i i think you know certainly you look at
like the music industry and stuff like
that i think
people are rising up now who want to
create a fair and equal world and not in
a liberal sense not that i'm against
that or anything
um
but people um
there's a lot of bad stuff going on
right now i mean again i don't want to
go too far into i don't want to get your
ban
um but um
you know there is some negative stuff
going on but i don't it won't stand i
don't think it can stand because
a it's not legal for starters and and
so much coercion and manipulation of
facts and figures is going on
it's almost as if it's having the
opposite effect that people are waking
up and they're going what can we do
about this and that's exactly the point
we need to get to we need to need a
solution well let's let's look at this
so
what happened for you what happened for
me you got a word
you got a something that spoke to your
spirit
that
was about awakening and a future for you
a hope and a future that you had now
your current situation it you know like
you said if you was to tell yourself
that hey this is where you'll be in five
years ten years
what are you talking about um but you
got a word you got a vision for the
future and then
you went through a dark night then you
went through testing and trial and then
the fire hit you
because there was gold inside of you in
order to bring that god the universe has
to turn the fire up to bring that which
is beautiful out of you and it's a
personal experience it's a personal
relationship a personal journey
to think you're alone is silly to think
i was alone because the same thing
happened i'm silly everyone like
humanity is going through christianity
is going through this awakening
by themselves
but
it's the micro
jitsu and the macro so if enough people
are having the same spiritual awakening
many people are seeing ufos many people
are seeing synchronicities many people
are seeing the universal christ in the
good within all and it's wrecking their
lives it that the fire is turning up old
paradigms are burning away
they're burning away by that fire
they're getting burned up in it the wood
hay and the stubble in the chaff are
being burnt as an offering to god i
don't want it anymore take it i only
want that which is beautiful that which
is pure so that which is happening
within our hearts
on a micro level is happening on a
collective
global level obviously if enough people
if this is happening to enough people
when you zoom out it is happening to
nations
who are having this spiritual awakening
who are choosing love and so
man what's happening per the personal
joy and the personal freedom and the
personal connect connectedness with
everything and everyone that's happening
for us is happening
on a global
level and if there's anything we can
rejoice in it is that because it is
something beautiful it is something to
be experienced together we're not going
through it by ourselves which we thought
at the beginning you know because it was
like little pockets here there here and
there and then enough people begin to
stand up and begin to own their story
begin to own their questions begin to
own their fears and just to vocalize
it and you see what it's doing it's
creating a beacon of hope for other
people just
simply
you're not alone i mean jason upton had
that powerful song you're not alone just
singing that over you're not alone like
it's so
encouraging and so simple
you know emmanuel means what
god is with us
you're not alone
you're in the fire shadrach meshach and
abednego you're not alone i'm with you
i'll never leave you i'll never forsake
you personally and collectively
listen that is good news man and that's
where we are
yeah i totally agree and and i think
because um
you know normal life has been so shaken
over the past sort of 18 months
people are asking the bigger questions
and the deeper questions and the
question like
you know what what am i doing in my life
and things like that and what is even
real anymore etc etc and
there is so much hope to be had at this
time as uncomfortable as it is as much
as i dislike a lot of the stuff going on
for sure
yeah i mean absolutely i it's so
important to stay focused on hope and
grace
um
and yet
i
again i need to watch what i say
um but you know i have a a vision birth
now that i want to put on concerts and
things without the need for any kind of
world just your ticket if you get what
i'm getting at
um you know
we need to be the solution and and
provide for humanity at this time and
lose our egos and and put ourselves out
there you know and that was a big one
for me
and i was always so terrified of what
people thought you know you aren't
you're not gonna make everyone happy
it's not gonna happen get get over it
and when i started speaking out sort of
early 2020 about certain things that i
was being shown for many years yeah
i had people who i thought was some of
my best friends just dropped me like
that yeah as they weren't friends you
know what i mean listen dude
it's part of it see that's you know and
i'm vocal about it that's why i'm vocal
is because
nobody was talking about it at the time
um and i knew other people who were
going through similar experiences i
wasn't
alone
you know there were there's other
seekers and and they wouldn't talk about
it
and because of that i felt the need to
do that you know to talk about this even
more and uh and it wasn't fear-based it
was fun it was good it was encouraging
it's beautiful
and i'll just be you know people feel
that way about the fear based stuff
that's why there's i have friends who
they're just straight fear
you know straight scary stuff and and
they feel because you know
the same way that i felt like i had to
talk about this beautiful mystery of
christ and all this they feel the same
way to talk about the stuff that they're
learning the stuff that they're
experiencing because people in their
immediate circle aren't talking about it
so they feel
they have to do more i have to i have to
do more because i'm picking up your
slack essentially and so it's just part
of that that process and that narrative
so that's one reason that i embraced it
and started talking about the things
that i started talking about you know at
that time and uh
that's part of it let's um i wanna i
wanna say this too with that being said
there's a lot of people in chat man
shout out to the conversation here
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we've kind of just been flirting with
the idea i haven't really tapped into it
much but where does the you know the
fascination for you uh with the ufo
stuff come up and and have you
encountered
um ship's
entities
merca bus chariots shams whatever you
want to call them they have many names
just like everything does
so where does that fascination and
experience come from for you
and well i think i said near the
beginning one of the things that always
motivated me was this kind of um idea of
multi-dimensional beings in the bible
and in christianity angels angel stories
would always float my boat when i was a
kid
and you know anybody that had an angel
story i was like researching it and
things like this
and
so when i made that connection that you
know an angel literally just means
messenger that could be anything you
know it doesn't really describe what it
is
uh in christianity we always think it's
just a winged
man with blonde hair you know yeah
and
and then part my awakening again
listening to sort of a lot of
whistleblowers talk about different
races and et races and and
how there are
government projects working with um
extraterrestrials on this planet
um
i was just i again just made that
connection so i really jumped into that
and
and i didn't um
go into it quite as much as you did like
you know like going into fields all
night
yeah so as long as you know as long as
you don't go that that
that far
you know you're good
but i mean that one of them the things
that sticks out to me is my wife's um a
lot more skeptical than i am we laugh
and joke that like i'm uh that's good
though that's it's
a compliment yeah for sure i'm mulder
she's scully is what we say you know i'm
like people out there
well let's just think about this for a
second you know and she really balances
me out and likewise you know
but we went camping a couple of years
ago
and it was just a really
gorgeous night and it was dark and we
had a little fire going etc and we
noticed these three
like lights in the sky and we were sort
of drawn to them
um
and they were in sort of like a triangle
shape
and
and as soon as we looked at them that
the lower two ones started spinning
around the one that was at the top they
just started growing around it like this
and i was like
are you seeing that are you seeing that
you know i can see that can you see that
and like me and my wife my eldest
daughter were there just like watching
this sort of
formation going on the next thing they
just went flew off like just disappeared
like just like this and i was like you
know what that was don't you emma and
she's like i saw it i can't deny it you
know
and i just felt like that was for us you
know we needed to see that at the time
yeah we were talking about stuff you
know
um
so they are out there and they i
wholeheartedly believe they want to be
seen they want to have communication but
i also believe we really have to do our
inner work for that to happen
um i remember a guy called emery smith
you know emery smith yeah a little bit
uh yeah i'm familiar with him i don't
know much of his work yeah and i know
what he represents yeah yeah yeah i mean
he he was part of government projects he
was a doctor he was taken into us
secret underground projects and he
started being given pieces of
skin grafts that weren't human then it
would be a limb and then it would be a
full body of extraterrestrials
and he would operate on them research
them you know do studies on them and all
this sort of stuff and um
as he progressed he says that you know
there would be other extraterrestrials
who would work with him on these
projects um and he says they were his
best friends he says i've never
experienced the love of vibration as
when i work with these he called them
people they're just people
and he actually started to cry when he
was describing them
and just like just the vibration that
they carry yeah
um
and this
that just got me thinking what yeah what
he said was um well if he'd had an
argument with his partner or if he's in
a bad mood you had to do like an energy
clearing before you went to work with
them because they couldn't handle it
they can't be in the same room when
you're carrying this vibration you know
and
and that just really spoke to me like we
really it's so important that we learn
to live in this descended place you know
this this high vibrational high
frequency place of love and joy and
peace and kindness and all that
and if we're going to make contact with
these and i really believe that they're
going to really start showing up in a
very very public way
do i think the government are going to
do it not really i know we've had some
form of disclosure that they've actually
admitted that there are ufos
um and i've also heard that they don't
actually mind people um researching this
stuff because they feel that they can
control that narrative
but what they can't control is when you
have a personal experience yeah and i
think with people like us um who are
fearlessly engaged in this stuff
um and like i think you've mentioned
before james gilliland a seti and things
like that yes yes you know i mean that
mothership that he shared and i must
have saw that that was that was huge
undeniable you know
um
i just think that they they really
really want to make contact with us we
and quite frankly i think we need their
help right now with everything that's
going on we really need their help now
elena dennard speaks of what's called a
galactic federation
and interestingly the uh
s the i don't know if you do go you know
a guy called um
ah the israeli um space project
founder uh forgot his name now
heim ashed i think he's called
um i don't know if you've heard of him
um he came out and he basically said
that uh there is a galactic federation
that they meet um and they have come to
earth to help us in this current
situation we're in and apparently that's
one of the reasons why ufo sightings
have just gone absolutely through the
roof that loads of people have seen him
because there's a lot of activity going
on and i'm just going to say this
uh president number 45 you know i'm
talking about i don't want to get you
back
claimed
that he was working with the galactic
federation of worlds that he was working
with this benevolent agenda for the
planet
um and that's why he did what he did and
i'm sorry if that offends some people if
they don't like him i get why people
don't didn't like him and i know he was
a certain type of personality
and he was imperfect but so am i so so
we all you know i think he was the right
man for the job just my opinion don't
shout at me um and i just but i just
find this stuff really really
fascinating that we are being helped and
now there are benevolent beings
who are doing stuff
in the shadow behind the scenes that
we're not aware of and and i've heard
that many of them are laying their lives
down for us i mean again we think oh
they can't die they're eternal but they
have biological functions they have a
biological body that can die
and there's so much learn so much to to
delve into out there yeah just like us
right i don't know
all right just like us like we're not
these bodies but uh we're we're you know
i'm saying limited to them while we're
here or which seems to be anyway
exactly exactly so i mean i could just
talk for hours about this kind of stuff
i'm i'm just i'm just a massive nerd i
just totally fascinated with it yeah
and and i think if you pulled in this
direction i think it's a genuine
pull um
to make contact
you know you can you know i'm sure
you've done it as well you can use your
mind you can tap into their frequency
and
and and you know when you learn about
your energy system and serve sort of
going into your heart center and things
like that that's where they will connect
with you
and and they will talk to you
have you have you had that or you just
going off the stories
uh no i i think you know what i told you
before that that sentence dropped in my
mind that was in a meditation when i was
reaching out to them i didn't see that
you know i like to talk about like
those voices
you know here's somebody saying that
they're telepathically communicating
with
anything right if it's an alien or if
it's or e.t or what we call that an
angel a demon um an ancestor you're
channeling something you're hearing
something telepathically um we come from
christianity where we
use that terminology with jesus and the
holy spirit
the funny thing is
is that in in that realm those three are
interchangeable
different people
will say
um god told me this
the lord told me to tell you this jesus
told me to tell you this or hey the holy
spirit wants me to tell you so they got
they kind of use those interchangeable
some of the deeper
people will say
yes they all speak differently i hear
all three
and i'm in conversation with all three
and they all have a distinctive
vibration and
for me it is the same like it is
you can't tell you tell them for the
essence or whatever or the message
same way with the same way that the holy
spirit speaks to your heart speaks to
your spirit impressions um
telepathically if you will images like
all that kind of stuff it's the same
the same kind of communication for
what you would call et's and angels
though right is there a difference there
do you know a distinct difference or is
it very similar to
when you're in prayer and you're getting
downloads or inspirations back when you
first fell in love with christ in in the
in in the church and stuff
um well for me um
i think that the um
the depth of um what comes through will
will often be a key
and you know i i mean was my personal
experience when it's things like um
i love you so like just telling them how
much they adore me i know that that's my
father i know that's that's my creator
you know
yeah and
i think when it's when it's when i'm
looking for answers or arms i'm looking
into something and i need a certain
go a certain direction i know that i
have so-called guides you know angels
whatever and who will help me and will
steer me in that direction and it's just
as i said before i'm a feeler you know
um i feel stuff and so that that has
those pros and cons
um
because i can't you can't always be led
by your feelings because your feelings
can be wrong yeah um
but i think having discernment and being
able to when you engage in this stuff
and you're pra basically practicing
you discern between good and evil so to
speak
and then you begin
to feel the pull in a certain direction
and and
you i often find that like it happened
with with you recently actually um i've
been looking into some stuff and i've
not gone public with it yet um but i
guess i will do now
and looking into the et origins of
humanity
and that story you know the anunnaki the
sumerian texts and things like that
um i've been felt the pull in that
direction and your interview with um
paul anthony wallace
was was just i mean
confirmed the stuff that i've been
researching in a way that was just like
it was like it was done for me you know
um
do i agree with everything i don't know
i mean i i don't i don't agree or
disagree anymore i just i i talk to
people i have a mental shelf
that um you know if there's something
there that's like whoa it goes on the
shelf i never ever say that's wrong
anymore because
i first heard this but from michael
tellinger years ago um and i threw it
out because i was just like nope nope
god created us in the garden he was a
man with a beard walking through a
garden went i'm going to create you now
you know that was the image i had yeah
and it's really quite frankly not that
cut and dry i mean on a scientific level
we have 22 strands of dna
that don't originate
from this planet
um
and um you know i
we have been
i mean i remember being in work at a um
a meditation like an anti-stress sort of
course yeah and they started talking
about the reptilian brain
and i was like no no no no no you know
we didn't can't be talking about that
stuff and they were talking about our
instincts our survival instincts and
it's their part our brain is
reptilian so what they're basically
saying is there are reptilian parts of
our dna now they're looking at it from
an evolutionary
um darwinist point of view but
when you look at the biblical story
um and how
um
a reptile
merged with
humanity
you start to see
it that's where it is you know somewhere
along the line has been a genetic
manipulation there yeah you know and
let's don't get too deep into it but
let's sprinkle some stuff out there
because you know one of the big things
with the the sumerian tablets and
um you know the anunnaki and and things
one of the big things is
is that our dna was was uh
tampered with and evolved from
up uh you know a primate to mixing it
with
alien dna if you will uh
extraterrestrial elohim dna which would
represent
inhumans the ability to have higher and
lower nature
god and man mixed together you're
essentially a hybrid um so that that's a
huge belief of of and i'm not saying
that that i don't know that that's true
just like you but it is a big part of
that narrative um
seems like it's happening again
with everything i don't want to say no
words or nothing but it seems like
it's happening again there is a genetic
modification to humanity we've been
we've been scared we've been told it's a
bad thing i don't know i'm not giving an
opinion but it sounds very similar to
that narrative i'll say that it does
very much so and and i think um the the
backlash that's coming from the subject
that you're talking about i think
there's something encoded into us and
that's made us even subconsciously you
know people who have no spiritual
um you know they're not openly spiritual
or anything like that something's being
triggered in them yeah at the moment
with what's going on yeah um
and i just find it very very interesting
and that you know kind of when you look
at it cosmically you know the the
energies and the frequencies that's
coming into earth from our position in
the solar system and the galaxy of the
the position of our solar system in the
in the wider cosmos
um
you know 2012 everyone talked about that
that was a real demarcation point when
when a cycle ended and a new cycle began
of a 25 000 year cycle of our solar
system moving around a bigger system
and and obviously energetically it's
really really affecting us
um and and
i i obviously i find this stuff really
fascinating and how
um it's affecting our consciousness and
our spirituality and this is i think
this is a direct result of of the
spiritual awakening that's happening
right now
and i think we're going to see
culture i think we're going to progress
as a society and as a global and cosmic
culture in a way relatively quickly and
yeah
it's going to be seem like magic it
really is
you talked about going within to get
without like like you know i i've been
having to be clear on that a lot with
people because i do have meditations on
leaving the body through the crown
chakra
um my music i have songs called leave in
my body and it is about leaving through
the top of the head and exiting your
body to go fly around a remote view or
astral travel right and i use those
terms and uh but but i want to be clear
that you know my
my experience in doing that has all been
going within
to close your eyes and go within so you
go within
journey there to access those realms
those portals go within to get without
so i want to preface it by saying that
uh people are saying that we're we're
tapping in uh closer to 5d like whatever
that means i'm not an expert on that
either but uh but it sounds like the the
veil between worlds is getting very thin
that communication between uh humans and
and and um in entities humans and
etheric eternal beings ancestors
all of that's happening a lot more much
easier to access within your meditations
uh my meditations have been pretty
profound for me and we you know lead
group meditations and i try to teach
that you know to go within and to
commune with god to commune with the
holy spirit and just whatever they want
to show you or wherever they want to
take you and allow you to go as that
vehicle
um
i seen a video yesterday um last night i
was in tears watching this a good friend
of mine dan oscarpinsky
um had his kid so he's got this uh
pretty much like a a minefold map it's a
um just a uh
blindfold that you put on and it blacks
out everything so they you know they use
that for for meditation and they have
something that they kind of
have been experimenting with called
going into the cloud stepping into the
cloud listen there's a lot of deep stuff
about the cloud about the glory cloud
you know like you talked about in in
that meeting in morningstar and then um
jesus said and a mount of trans from the
race transfiguration they they came out
of the cloud right these etheric beings
and and their ancestors and the voice
the cloud follows people there's even
text about the apostle peter having the
cloud with him and things right so
anyway they had this program they
developed called going into the cloud
and it's just kind of a meditation with
a mindful
blacking out your eyes
um
and it takes a little while for for us
adults
because of training and the mind and
we've been with the universal mind for
so long and and we have to clear our
minds because we got junk we got bills
we got we got a lot of things that we
got to juggle so stepping into uh
meditation becomes a journey
and but we get better at it we get
better we get faster and it becomes more
profound well dan oscar penske last
night i seen a uh a video he did and i
reshared it
and it's worth watching i was i was in
tears watching this um his kids wanted
to use the mind fold
um
and put it on and he's like no it's not
a toy you know this is for my meditation
and so his little little kids wanted
they were like begging him so he's like
all right sure put it on
his little
youngest little boy i don't know how old
he is let's say seven six i don't know
six years old he puts on the the
blindfold
and he is immediately
translated into vr virtual reality i've
got i've got virtual reality i have the
oculus i love it i love technology and
it's so fun it is immersive you're
really there the little boy puts it on
he's like he's like interacting with
things
with just a blindfold and he's like hey
what are you seeing he's asking him and
he's like seeing like um stuff from uh
the avengers and he's fighting bad guys
and he's saying god is telling me to
fight the bad guys the bad guys who were
against god i'm gonna fight i'm fighting
them and he's punching and he's
literally jumping on and if you look at
the expressions you can't see his eyes
but you can see his face
and he's like really into it all he did
he didn't pray
he put the blindfold on and there was a
connection that something happens when
you put it on and this little kid is
immersed in a movie
of fighting bad guys and he's punching
he's jumping and he is like his senses
like
you know it is over active imagination
but it is the imagination is your belief
in how you access this stuff
and it's like oh wow this little
he's like what do you see what do you
see son what are you seeing he's
explaining he's fighting him and stuff
and he's fully immersed and he takes it
off and he's like what'd you see he's
like yeah god is telling me to to fight
the bad guys and i'm taking up for god
and and there are bad guys like you know
how did you know that they were bad well
there was two of them and you know they
had abilities and he's just like this
whole world and it's a little kid
so i'm just like
watching it in chills like this is
insane
and then um
his his daughter puts it on and she's a
little bit older so you think maybe it's
a little bit harder for her
and hers was just just as profound she
sits on the bed the little boy was
jumping and punching you know in in this
interactive world
she puts it on there is no
clear your mind there is no what do you
you know let's forget about the cares of
the day there is no guided meditation
there's put this on what do you see
and um
so she just starts explaining like um
she's like i see god and you and the
expression and the innocence in her
voice
he's like oh you see god too and you can
hear it in her voice
and she's like sticking out her hand
she's like reaching up for god he's like
uh man i see i see god and
uh what's he what's he saying
and uh and my friend dan he's a he's a
musician just put out a phenomenal album
about your identity in christ it's a
really good album
yeah and so
she says
i'm seeing stars and and i see the moon
and she's you the expression the the
expression is what it is
the expression on their face and they're
literally caught up like looking around
and uh
and she said god's telling me
i hear your song dad
and god tells me he likes your song
[Laughter]
well it's crazy i'm like i'm watching
this and i'm crying man like wow this is
so like
the innocence that's there and the
beauty and
you know it's just uh
something's happening man and if we will
engage if we will step in man this stuff
will become real to us you know we'll
begin to see
what god says about a situation man if
we'll if we will you know turn off um
the television social media whatever it
is that you're getting your information
from listen i urge you to go directly
to your creator you know
that's how easy it is close your eyes
man put some you know that's how easy it
is a child like you have to become like
a little child in order to step in
and interact and embrace the kingdom
that's it we're already there there's no
effort in fact the effort is to get into
no effort
you know it says you need labor to get
into rest yeah i always thought that was
quite an oxymoron but it's really a
powerful statement that
you know
i mean even on a scientific level you
know using your breath just to get your
brain and your mind into certain um
brain waves and things like that um
that's just like say the innocence of
children um
just totally inspiring and i mean i'd
say i mean i've got i've got kids and
the four inspired me always inspired you
know and
you know i i think you know that they've
incarnated here they've come here so i
can teach them no no they've probably
taught me
them you know what i mean yeah man
yeah and they all have something
different and something beautiful just
like you know part of the body to think
that every kid you know even with his
kids let's say maybe maybe all kids
aren't like that but
you know it's something special that
they have to honor and to cultivate you
know and to learn from maybe other kids
my daughter i'll say this my daughter
her giving her um
and she's 16 but like
she'll she'll go to work and she's got a
job and she works at starbucks and
she'll she'll take her whole paycheck
and spend it on her friends
you know just to see them smile just to
see
just to uh you know to to she's always
been like that ever since she was a
toddler yeah of just this selflessness
and it's like listen
everybody has a you know
both nature is in them you know what i'm
saying you have higher you have the
lower
um and you have to choose you have to
choose love you have to choose the
higher expression and the more that we
choose
and the more people that choose listen
this is spiritual awakening this is
global awakening the more that we choose
the more that we begin to live in a
world where people honor others over
honoring themselves and
they have that beauty and that spark
that they bring
to the table you know and i tie that in
you know that dan and his children and
just seeing that video is like listen
maybe the maybe the veil is thinner you
know people are saying like we're
merging and it is easier so so try it
man
try stepping in try asking for
the things that you've seen in your
visions the s the things that you've
seen in in your dreams that they are
real that there is a world within a
world that is more real than this one
you know what is seen as temporal but
what is unseen is eternal and i really
believe that me too
and i think something i tell my kids is
hey follow your passions follow your
dreams you know never ever ever settle
for something that isn't igniting you
within
and and if you can imagine it you can do
it you know
um and we say this all teaching the kids
we need to tell this ourselves as well
you know dream big visualize
and manifest and create this is our
creative ability
you know charnel's done a great book um
you talked about it the science of
miracles i've read jody spencer
and you know i've really looked into
that that the the art of manifestation
and it really isn't art it's it's
science but it's an art and and you know
when i say i'm a feeler
you know that's helped me musically you
know but also in life
and i'm learning to
use my my feeling my emotions and my
energy
to to shift circumstances outside of me
you know and and
and
um
and to to the very fact that i'm on this
show with you now is testament to that
hey i said the same thing you know i was
on you know i was on with carrie cassidy
you know
she interviewed me it's been a probably
2018 2017 but for me it's like
you know when you consume hours of
content from somebody
and all of these experts have gone on
people that you've gleaned from and
study and you've consumed hours and now
you're talking to them as a peer
you know it's like it is a piece of that
magic uh vanna barbs and uh
um here in the chat says uh imagination
i magi nation you know the eye of the
magi man you know what i'm saying to be
able to see
into the unseen and manifest it
you know um
it really is magic it's white magic it
is exactly why magic on sale now
[Laughter]
white magic for the magi that's what i
say view life in thy third eye elevate
new levels in the mind when you let your
ego die the seeker he shall find new
dimensions in the mind your life is
synchronized you're divine by design man
when you understand that
you bring the power
you know you become co-creators and
co-manifesters with with god you start
working with god versus working against
you know
yeah absolutely
it is massive and and
that's been one of the biggest lessons
for me because um you know
we're not a victim of our circumstances
we're the creator of it and so if you're
not happy with with your with what your
experience it's because there's
something internal you know deal with
your crap
go within and get healed
and change it shift your energy shift
your vibration and just watch the magic
happen yeah beautiful process i mean you
got to get sick and tired of being sick
and tired yeah you know and then have
the ability or the spark
to want to change it you know there's
two that's a
like that's a that's a huge step i mean
it's one of the biggest steps
but it's huge and it can happen early
and if you get past that part to get
tired
check
now do you want to change it
check
do you have the faith and the belief in
the imagination that you can
you know many things um help that um
testimonies
are huge
what other people have done to change
their situation exactly i talked about i
know we don't don't like this word but
being jealous and envious of people
who are in there
in their truth and in their dream you
know and um and i was jealous and
envious using those words in a in a good
way
it's what you do with jealousy and envy
like most people are moved to
anger or or plotting and mad and become
a hater
no
like if you become jealous and and
envious then you want to do what you can
to create a similar situation for
yourself
not to backbite but but that that
jealousy and envy shows you listen it's
possible
the bible says all things are possible
to them that believe
first of all i need to believe it if you
want to see it you got to believe it and
so um seeing other people's lives
seeing people who start
an online business and sell crystals
yeah what no there's not enough money
there's there's too many too many
crystal businesses there's already one
that's
you know the main one i can't compete no
man try it like if that's what you want
to do
muster up the strength to do it and now
what now i get to wake up and and and
research and teach about and sell
crystals for a living i was waking up
and and
i was a waitress for a living i didn't i
did it i didn't like it i thought it was
my plight
um but i changed my situation
and that song vacation by dirty heads
hey i'm on vacation every single day
because i love my occupation if you
don't like your life then you should go
and change it like listen don't complain
don't blame you know what i'm saying you
become
you you were a victim but you you are
now the victor
to your situation and in a in a
realization
use the alchemy to change it and seeing
a beacon
seeing what you did obviously you've
seen what i did
and and we pay it forward you know what
i'm saying and you pay it forward and
somebody else who watches you and
somebody else who sees your freedom
somebody else who sees your fruit and we
just
cycle disciples you know what i'm saying
and uh
that's what it's about man each one
reach one with it with the testimony
it's that simple
that's it
spam i can't disagree with any of that
uh man i can go all day bro i've been
enjoying this talk what time is it where
you are
it's ten to six in the evening now yeah
ten to six 11 51 a.m
here so yeah a bit of a difference but
uh
i've enjoyed it so far man right
and and you know
for me it's it's personal connection is
so important
and and that's what i've really valued
in the awakening is meeting the people
on that same vibe and
just just conversations like this just
just mates talking you know
i'm so
i'm bored of going to
i know it has its place and i'm not
critical
go into a meeting and listen to preach
at you i want a conversation i want to
ask questions and
you know and i think of illegally
exactly and i think back in the day you
know when paul would travel the world
and what have you i think that's what he
was doing he wasn't going to a church
meeting he was going in someone's house
and saying i've got this amazing
revelation listen to this and then
they'd have a chat about it you know
he's teaching like spiritual gifts like
he talks about like
feeling out or discerning that group
let me discern let me discern my
audience and see where they are there's
many things there's many places we can
go
and so certain ones he says listen i
brought and imparted spiritual gifts to
you
like i've taught you how to use and
trained you in spiritual gifts
in other places he went to i think it's
interesting he's like listen
i have made it my point
to only preach christ crucified
just because you guys have gotten way
off on your love you guys have gotten
way off on your pursuits and so
you guys aren't ready because you know
so i am it's christ crucified listen we
need to make sure that we have the
basics
you know we have we have graduated from
the basics but but they are foundational
and so
i'm not talking about anything else with
you and so he was able to fill out
groups man and seeing what they were
what they were ready for the world by
doing that jesus did the same thing man
he said listen like i got many things to
show you but you're not ready
and and it can mess people up in
awakening and we have messed people up
in awakening when they we try to force
them to wake up or uh show them
information that they're not ready for
and they question everything and not in
a good way it's just
it should be something natural obviously
there is jolting and there is everything
i knew was that was real as a lie um so
there is how do you cope how do you
course correct how do you maintain how
do you breathe through that you know
what one thing which i um
we're dealing with um sort of spiritual
circles a lot of talk about karma
and and i get what they're talking about
um you know that there is what you put
out is what you get you know
and that's science it's it's energy
um
what i've found is that you know they're
talking about burning off karma this
that and the other going through hard
times and i'm just like
didn't jesus do that for us you know
what i mean yeah
i i'm not going into these circles to
preach at them um but there's gonna come
a point where you know
um i i absolutely believe in karma i
think karma is the um
is religion i think that's what it is
it's you know and but jesus ended the
karmic cycle you know he died our death
he paid the karmic price
um
and i'm yet to tell to say that to
someone and i'm going to be interested
in the um in the reaction you know
dude you've been liberated from your
karma enjoy your ascended life you know
what i mean
that's the good news we're already there
be awake and be enlightened to it
yeah you don't have to you don't have to
uh
you know you don't have to put up with
them cycles or you don't have to be a
victim of the cycles like cycles happen
for a reason right and i do believe like
you reap what you sow
jesus there are seasons yeah there are
seasons
you know i'm saying be not deceived
whatsoever you saw a man also reap like
i've seen it in my life like but it was
like it was always a pun because i've
seen it you know what i'm saying of like
i was conscious to see it and uh i
remember you know doing exposed videos
on people and calling people false
prophets and exposing and saying stay
away from so and so they're
devil worshippers or what and then it's
like happening to me you know what i'm
saying i'm like i can only laugh through
it you know
hey i put it out there and you know how
so so now like to to note if you know
that but that's manifestation like
whatever you put out is coming back it
is a slingshot
um
boomerang if you will so start putting
good stuff out like be conscious aware
that i'm sowing seeds that other people
are going to water and somebody else is
going to
sit under the shade of that of that tree
yeah so doing that consciously
uh to manifest a better life for
yourself for your kids for for other
people who you may not even see and
that's how it works i mean these this
talk this podcast is doing that for sure
um and so i i've i've done it
you know jesus says you know what you've
done unto the least of these you've done
unto me no we haven't listened when i
was in prison you guys visited me when i
was thirsty you gave me water
why did we do that they're like when did
we do that we did it to the yeah when
you did it to the dude that you didn't
get any reward from when nobody saw you
you got it from me so like i am so
elated when people
labor
you know alongside me and support what
i'm doing
um anybody in my community that i'm
aware of when they put out
a work or when they need a friend like
first of all god's got you
because you've been putting that out
when when someone needed a friend you
showed up as a friend
so when you go through troubled times
when you need a friend
a friend will be provided for you
when you need somebody a shoulder to cry
on because you've been you've been a
shoulder for other others to cry on one
would be provided for you right i
understand that that's how god works but
that's how i work too like if i know
that
uh you know people in my circle are
supporting people in my circle or
sharing retweeting like whatever it is
i'm gonna i want to return the favor
you know what i'm saying you put out a
book listen i'm gonna buy it you know
why you bought mine is it that just okay
so you only support people that support
you no but i am going to go above and
beyond you know what i'm saying to do
what i can to support and to pay it
forward because you guys have done it to
me
and and if you don't have that in your
life
and you want it and you need it become
it
become it for somebody else what you
need that's part of this learning
process
listen i know what it's like to go to
spiritual awakening and not have anybody
to talk to
i'm gonna i'm just gonna be that person
that you can talk to you might not agree
with me might not believe in it but
listen i'm going to be that because i
need it in my life so i'm going to be
i'm going to be a friend i'm going to
i'm going to financially sow into your
life
i'm going to pay for strangers meals out
in public i'm going to do whatever i can
to make somebody's
life better more comfortable release
magic into their life awe and wonder
because i know that
those people are gonna you know do it
for me as well and i wanna see and i
wanna go deeper into it and uh like that
is
you know and you don't do it to you know
obviously don't let your right hand know
what your left is doing but it's law
whatever you put out is coming back so
put out
beauty into the world and and you're
going to receive it back as well
so when you when you put out from this
conscious awareness that
we're already there
we're already blessed we've already got
our needs met there you go yeah yeah
it's it's it's effortless you know
sewing and reaping etc it's been made
such a work
like oh you're not got any money give
money to get back
but that's
kind of convoluted because you've got to
think
no i am fully blessed in christ because
i'm fully blessed i am prosperous and i
am wealthy i will give and it might not
be a big amount doesn't matter about the
amount but it's your heart it's the
energy you're giving out and it will
come back it's it's
it's law it has to happen
you know and i think the thing is is is
you know to keep the mindset is that
we're not doing it out of lack like
you're saying i'm not doing it to get
i'm doing it because you know what i'm
saying and you and you need to keep that
mindset and i'm doing it because the
provision is already out there i'm not
becoming i already am
you know even when we talked about jobs
or we talked about i want to do
something or create something listen
it's already within you
now the birthing process or releasing
that or becoming that like that's a you
know that's alchemy that is
manifestation that takes time and energy
and
and and some kind of effort but know
that it's not
outside of you it is within you um
everything you need
is already within you you already are a
healer you already are
whole you already are loved i mean
whatever it is you're looking for is
within you and it's looking for you
and uh you're not lacking anything and
that is the gospel like you said that is
this place that we create from you know
spiritual warfare i really believe in it
i do believe in negative entities i do
believe in um mind
manipulation and and and being
overwhelmed and anxiety
but we've we wore from a place where the
battle is already won from a place of
victory and that is ascension
that is um what ascension is all about
it's not we're not trying to get
somewhere it's realizing where we
already are
and who and what we already are
and you know a lot of people talking
about ascension and
again i i'm not grossed this subject
with them spiritual communities and
things like that because i'm just
building a relationship etc
you know we don't have to try and be
what we already are we just got to be it
and we've got to do from a place of
being you know
um and that's that's the good news it's
it's it's so straightforward but we make
it so complicated it's so hard
yeah there's another scripture that says
the servants of the lord must not strive
you know and that's part of that work
that's part of that
um
doing it on your own strength or your
own accord i mean even the old testament
is a beautiful scripture
that says if
if if if man builds the house they labor
in vain
but if the lord builds it right this
this structure this thing will be
blessed and it will last and so
um
will
perfect will of god you know permissible
will of god what god allows
you know for teaching and training
purposes only um you know but we learn
but i think a lot of times before we go
into things at least i know
you know if something's going to be
fruitful or i'm just going to try
something um
you know
when it's god breathed or when it's
something that's like uh
listen i'm gonna try on my own my own
free will because i can um
i don't know that i'm supposed to be
doing this i know that it could be
taken the long way around you know but i
feel like god allows that and sometimes
we lose money we lose
what seems to be time because we've been
there but
someone posted in chat takes the words
from me says we live what we learn jerry
haley says in chat we live what we learn
and we learn through that so what seems
to be like money and time wasted
obviously in the physical but
it proves something spiritually like
okay i need to make sure that i follow
the voice of my intuition and only move
upon things that i know that um
that that that are gonna uh
you know be fruitful and multiply if you
will and i that's just my personal i've
had to do it and i still have to do it
you know what i'm saying i want to start
so many ventures and i have so many
ideas but to be faithful and to stay
you know faithful with the things god
has given me is hard you know you think
it's easy no no no it's the the creative
and the ideas and the collective and all
of this who can i help and who can i
take under my wing and what can i start
and juggling it you only have so many
hours and day
so the things that you feel intuitively
led to you know you think that god is
calling you there's a there's a
connection there pursue those things
follow the intuition and you learn how
to do that just like you said you learn
how to discern you learn how to discern
what the perfect will of god for your
life is to
yeah and there's there's no fear
involved with that i remember back in
the day it was like i've got to hear the
voice of god i've got to try and fathom
out what god wants and those sort of
stuff and it's so easy just go within
be at peace be at rest and it will just
happen naturally it will just it's an
effortless flow
life is a flow
um i love i i looked into chinese wu way
um just as a part of my looking at stuff
i don't if you know what that is uh wu
way is the it's linked with lao tzu you
know um
the um
is it called now he did he wrote a book
i can't know what it's called now very
famous
um
the art of war
or no
no no um i can't remember where that was
but no lao tzu it's um it's basically
just sayings of wisdom basically and
it's all about
allowing life just to flow and be a part
of the flow of life
so we're not there's no resistance
like a river doesn't resist anything it
just flows
and you know when when hard times come
just just flow with the life just go
with the life and allow it just to be
and just just be you in that present
moment
and it really helped me that and because
when you when you stop striving
suffering ends
um when you stop striving the the life
becomes easy you just allow life to
happen and and then
when you when you change energetically
in that effortless flow
again i'm here on a podcast that i a few
years ago i never dreamed i would be on
you know and as soon as i'd made that
decision i'm going to be true to myself
true to what's within
um
things just popped open
and chanel said to me she felt that
vibration because she was the one that
really pulled me out of um the hidden
place you know i had no connection to
anyone or anything she recognized that
she went you come on the show you know
she put me on a platform yeah i said
well talk and from then it's just bang
bang bang bang bang bang it's just
opened up and and it's effortless it
just happens and it's it's a there's a
real lesson i don't have to make
anything happen you know
you put the you put the hope and you put
the thought and the idea out there
and then you just give it time when and
when it's supposed to happen it happens
right it will happen just just rest in
it yeah as you listen to neville goddard
yeah you know what neville god is
wow what a guy he was
um very mysterious person actually hey
hey is the book you were talking about
the i ching is that what you
is that the word no no i don't want to
hear it lao tzu um
really you know what see if i can google
it
but yeah um
yeah neville goddard you know just
thought that feeling is the key is what
you used to say you know feel it before
it's happened be it before it's
manifested yeah
yeah that's
that's huge um feeling that and and you
know
and that's where christianity has kind
of gone wrong for us because they told
us to abandon even those feelings
of even your present situation or to
ignore them or to
pray it away versus like hold on like
i'm going to be present
got it what is it
talks about the doubt okay the dao okay
that's what i was thinking yeah the
taotishing was what the books called by
lao tzu
and it's just uh it's wise sayings of
his basically and it's really
fascinating really good talking about
all this kind of stuff yeah yeah yeah
those were um the dow i read some of it
not much i'm not an expert by any means
but what were some of the books early
for you like there's all these for me
there were ancient books just to you
know what i'm saying like i wanted the
old and i still i have a heart for
where this stuff came from i'll say that
you know i want to go i want to find the
first time this this uh thing was
introduced or people who encountered it
first right this is magic there
most of the books are are inspired um
by something older you know or
there's nothing new under the sun as
well you know we can find where it came
from the bible is full of beautiful
experiences and so that's a big part of
my heart
and then ancient books and uh even now i
you know i collect a lot of um older
occult books and stuff like in the 1800s
and obviously it goes back further than
that but a lot of stuff was um
discovered and
um
revealed back then but what what were
some of the books uh for you that uh
early on helped you out
um well i'm a really really slow reader
so me too i got so many open and i only
got a chunk out of them yeah it takes me
ages and i'll read a page and i'll think
about it and next thing off and i was
gonna know
um honestly i i always read the books of
someone who i'm listening to at that
point yeah and so i read all of david
wilcock's books they are excellent for
expanding your mind your knowledge
and
you know or all of this in fact i've not
read his latest latest one uh awakening
in the dream
apparently lots of people say he's best
once i don't know i've not had it
um i mean
i i've read books like you um on the the
art of freemasonry because i wanted to
understand it and and their beliefs why
they do what they do and etc um i can't
remember who by to be honest with you i
see it i literally judge books by the
cover to be honest
well you should judge but i think i've
got a really good cover
yeah
um and and i mean
it's it's wherever again i i feel it's
wherever i feel led to go into i mean
like i say joe dispensers but becoming
supernatural
was so good in in going delving into the
science of the energy centers
the the the manifestation process the
the power of brain waves certain brain
frequencies
because i'm a lot more scientific than i
like to admit to be honest i think you
know as i'm a feeler but i'm very
analytical as well and obviously being a
drummer i can see why because it's all
about numbers and feelings yeah you know
both sides
um
so yeah um
i think i said to you when we
interviewed you that i was one of those
like i would not read something unless
it was by a christian author for so many
years yeah
and i'm going to start to delve into
stuff and
again i watch a lot of stuff you know
because i'm quite a visual learner as
well because i'm such a slow reader it
takes me such a long time um
yeah that was just a few and obviously
you know the mirror bible as i mentioned
before that was so good for um
re-understanding scriptures and the
original intention um of the author and
not just what king james wanted me to
learn
yeah
yeah that's that's huge man um
just getting a different take especially
on the bible
people are so close-minded to that right
because there's only one meaning you
know this there is no where the book of
timothy says there is no private
interpretation of scripture listen
that's your private interpretation like
yeah yeah like there's the the early
mystics and early believers believed and
read the bible with
four different layers of understanding
at least some would say seven some say
11 some say 99 like there's all kind of
different layers but what i found and
agreed upon it is four there's a there's
a literal right you read it as literal
and i feel like that makes it more real
for you it makes it more tangible in
your reality
but there's the spiritual and the
esoteric and then there's the the you
know allegorical the symbolic of what
this is what this what is this
symbolizing for me today not what it
meant for them
6 000 years ago 2 000 years ago but
today what does this mean for me
and uh and and find that meaning
and resonate with it and it's hidden
stories that is hidden parables the way
that you know jesus taught you know
jesus taught with questions he taught
with reflections and and asking you a
question and and using parables and
signs and symbols
you know and so to understand that like
it becomes much more than
first of all
a dead book and now i'll say this i'm
partial to the bible i do believe it's
it's inspired i believe it's the most
magical book on the planet honestly
there's these uh and i need to try this
but there's this uh these tick tock
videos that are blowing up
where people are taking uh
um electric um uh meter readers like for
like you stick in the wall socket to
make sure that it's got a charge and it
bings or whatever so
um electricians use them but there's
this trend on tick tock that everyone's
doing is going viral they're literally
taking those charges and they're holding
them to their bible and it's it's
dinging and they're putting they're
putting them on their computer they're
putting them on other books and nothing
but when they touch it
to the bible it's like lighting up like
hey this thing is emitting energy man
this thing is alive and sharper than any
two-edged sword you know what i'm saying
so a book that you read
but you're being deceived
the book is reading you
if you read it with an open heart and an
open mind and an open spirit you'll find
out things about your life about your
psyche about your heart that you never
knew and god knows exactly where you are
he is in all and through all and above
all and uh and he he knows us in and out
synchronicities like all of that
it started increasing man but it's it
takes something to awaken you because
you got to get out of the mundane right
and most christians i would say at least
most spiritual christians like the bible
in and of itself is already spiritual
like it connects them to god it connects
them to jesus and
where they're going when they pass from
here you know um light and truth so it
already has this majesty behind it but
when you have to approach it with that
and as long as you approach it with this
with this majestic song and dance with
the creator you're you're stepping into
the divine and then that just kind of
grows deeper and deeper and deeper
because you don't know anything about
the allegory until god reveals it to you
to the holy spirit reveals it to you for
me it was it was reading the bible early
on like i'm talking about like what we
would call a baby christian
fresh out of just fresh into this like
just a few months and i'm reading these
stories and the holy spirit says hey
that's you right now what you're dealing
with
what what you're about to read i want
you to pay attention because how they
come out of it and how they overcame
you're going to do the same thing and
i'm like what is this it's that inward
reflection as i'm reading i'm like okay
and then i'm like
i just see myself in those pages
it's like oh wow i thought we were
reading about people 6 000 years ago
it's like no this is you man this is you
in this book and i'm like very relevant
yeah and i began to follow the
israelites and where they were going and
my my spiritual journey was
lined up with their process and it was
like this spiritual
journey that
is in the bible you know what i'm saying
and asking the spirit where do i read
and he meets you where you are and
brings things and signs and symbols and
synchronicities into your life and it
just begins to open up more more more
more until you start seeing them
inclusive and everything so like at
first we could only see him in
christianity we can only see him in the
bible you know now we're seeing them in
everything you know everything is a
mirror everything is a reflection
every person we can only see him in
christians now we can see him
in the smile and and
the smile of a dog you know what i'm
saying
philosophy religion you know what i'm
saying like you see god in all and
through all and there's no greater
no greater fulfillment in my mind and in
my spirit to know that i can't know
where i can go can i run from that
love and that awareness
and
you know david said if i if i ascend
into heaven
i'm there with you but if i make my bed
in hell there you are there's nowhere
nowhere that i can go that i can get
away from this
awareness of god and this consciousness
of god
it makes you wonder doesn't it where the
idea that with the scripture you just
said where hell
is the place where god isn't
you know and that's what's hell about it
that that's not biblical
it feels like it it's an awareness that
he's not there but david's like listen
look for him
he's there he's right he's everywhere
and again that used to get me i mean you
know just apply a bit of logic to this
you know
that god is only or christ is only
inside people that have prayed the magic
prayer
i thought god was omnipresent oh yeah
god's omnipresent so he's in everyone
then oh no no no he's not in everything
sometimes it takes that magic prayer to
see him and that's it's for you it's not
for god it's for you it's more of an
activation and an acknowledgement you
are everywhere and then you see it
exactly yeah and just these little
tweaks that just just have just
revolutionized our understanding of the
scriptures of the gospel and of
christianity as a whole
yeah
i am going to have to shoot in a couple
of minutes all right man well craig
listen i know you're facebook
i know man i want to keep you forever
man we've been this is good and it's a
good talk um
your facebook's banned right you have no
you have no reach you you can't even
post anything where is it where can
people find you you got you got five
pages like already
we need a hub craig needs a hub like
where i think well i mean i i can still
accept friend requests um which page
though which one what's the name of it
um okay well i've got craig martin
walker that's my original one we'd like
a few a couple of thousand people on
there whatever
and then i did one called just called
craig walker
and then i did one recently called
craggy walker i've seen that one who's
this crazy
um and basically they've all just had
restrictions put on them because
facebook doesn't like the truth um
uh so my original one in six days i'm
out of prison um i'll try not to
reoffend but we'll see
um
yeah so if people just want to send a
request
well craig martin walker is the one
that opens up again
uh in six days if people want to connect
there that's absolutely fine i mean
people send me messages when i've done
these interviews and i look i just love
talking to people i love hearing
people's opinions their stories it's
great and it's available for talks
yeah yeah i'll try i'll just until he
starts his own
[Laughter]
did you know what a few people have said
that to me like are you going to start
your own channel and i'm like i don't
feel like i should just yet but i don't
know what's going to happen in the
future
um i mean yeah i mean i'm getting
requests of people i've never met you
know i'm doing one on saturday with uh
some people
um just because they want a mail on
there because apparently they say we
really struggle to get males to talk
about this kind of spiritual stuff i'm
like i'll do it you know i don't mind so
i'll talk about anything with anyone
yeah
yeah i know i'm up for anything like
nothing is off the table and i think you
you know from a christian christians who
kind of like get scared of that so hold
on like you need uh
you need christians to talk about this
like from their perspective because if
not you're gonna have satan is talking
about it you're gonna have new agers
talking about it let's listen to
somebody who is from a christian
perspective giving their honest
unbiased opinion like here's the
information this is what i encountered
there are both sides of the table
they're both sides of the coin and i
acknowledge both here's my experience
and so we got to champion that as a as a
christian not kick these people out or
stay away they're listening absolutely
because people are asking questions
whether you want them to or not you know
yeah
say namaste it's just such a good word
yeah i love that you know
the christ in me not just the christ in
you you know i i'll leave you with this
craig i know you got to go um just with
uh being tactful about what we can say
and i know that's changing every day um
the lord kind of gave me a revelation in
the book of revelations right where
the book of revelation is is full of
signs symbols numbers analogies
like uh john on the island of patmos
like
exiled he couldn't write to you plainly
about what was going on because they
would read it they would tear up his
papers it would never get out so he uses
signs symbols and analogies to explain
what's going on because his work would
have been censored he couldn't have
talked to you about the great beasts and
babylonians and you know this this
coming attack on uh on on the jewish
people and and the followers of christ
like he couldn't have talked about that
you know um so he used signs and symbols
in order to get this really deep
information out so i thought it was
really cool like linking the way that
john in the book of revelation use signs
and symbols and analogy to get these
really deep concepts out
especially where we are today with
censorship you know what i'm saying to
say okay let me you know what i'm
talking about when i say that you know i
don't have to say that word kind of
thing and and there's there's an art to
it you know what i'm saying there is for
those who i'm learning whole new codes
at the moment definitely yeah like a
whole new different language
yeah for sure brother thanks for coming
on man and thanks for having me i'm sure
we'll do it again and we'll we'll be on
more talks together brother many
blessings to you and uh thank you very
much derek love to you and your family
thank you sir shalom shalom and peace
bro i'll do it again
ladies and gentlemen give it up for
craig
martin walker look him up on uh facebook
and and all that good stuff where he's
at and and connect with them connect
with like-minded individuals who were
doing the doggone thing and so
you know it is what it is um
this is
growing and and more people are are
being open and honest about their truth
and we got to respect it
we got to respect it you know even if it
if we believe in it or it um
doesn't line up or it's another
perspective
we need another perspective again what
you know that rant i did before the
analogy and allegory and all that kind
of stuff it was like
the fact that other people
are um breaking down the scriptures for
you that helps for you for your
awakening
because you're getting a different
stance you're getting a different take
one that you've not heard of before
and what that does when you hear it
first of all a lot of people it shocks
you
unless you're ready and then you
automatically resonate so therefore you
have um different teachers or different
versions or translations of the bible
that are unlocking things in you because
you're simply getting
another perspective to this beautiful
ancient truth
so to listen to people um
who might not even be christian right
about the bible at least listen to them
especially if they have anything good to
say now i do say be wary of those people
who are only bashing and they're here to
disprove and those kind of things and
with many of those people you're gonna
you may have to put up with a little bit
of that
but what is built upon that foundation
of christ
cannot be shaken it is eternal
and so
um you're going to put up with that and
listen every belief system should be
shaken every uh structure should be
shaken to prove to see if you prove what
you
really believe because if it if it lasts
if it remains listen there is an eternal
truth in this and i cannot be shaken i
can even question and it's good and it's
healthy to question and i can continue
to do that but it doesn't mean
questioning is bad
so that's the scary part because we've
been told that questioning you know
proves that you're uh you don't really
believe in jesus do you because you're
questioning if he really existed or
you're questioning if he was the messiah
listen
jesus's response to any of that is hey
who do you say that i am i know who bill
donohue says i am i know who jordan
maxwell says i am i knew carrie cassidy
says i am
i knew joel osteen says that i am who do
you say that i am and that's when it
becomes more personal
and uh and nobody can take that away
from you that is the pearl of great
price that is within you
your encounter but you have to be able
to explore you have to be able to roll
ideas and listen to
conflicting beliefs listen it's how you
grow
it's how we evolve and we should be
doing that you should ever be ever
learning and ever increasing in your
knowledge of god and the bliss and how
deep and how wide that that goes
so brenda says every matrix
matrix needs to be shaken for sure
i've learned things and
and um
been out on deep ledges and he talks you
know talking about you know going out
there deep and lit literally
christ was my life preserver my life
raft and i i've have to to question it
and some stuff scary you know what i'm
saying like it is scary it is like i'm
starting to doubt is this real is this
did jesus exist am i believing a fairy
tale do i want this bad enough and so it
appears to me you know and um
you got to be able to question that and
it's scary because you kind of end up in
this place where you unlearn and
but that which is eternal will will
remain
that which is true
it needs not your defense
you know we feel like we got to defend
what we believe and defend the gospel
and honor god and if we anybody talks
down on our beliefs we have to
vigilantly uh
oppose them
and that's not the case but um
but we roll these ideas we listen to
these things and there's usually
something
better that comes from it when
something's tried and when something's
tested by fire and it remains again it
is that of pure gold
it is that which is eternal that which
is beautiful it's healthy it's scary but
it's healthy so
um
i've been there
every day you know what i'm saying we
and there's levels to it you know but
but hanging on to this eternal present
truth and knowing your relationship to
it
why does it serve you is it a
conflicting belief does it need to go
listen no it's serving me it's helping
me
and i honor that i honor that fact so
that's huge
um you can't prove it nope
can't i wasn't there
nobody can prove it we were never there
you know what i'm saying you know and so
but but i can't approve what jesus said
the fruit
what is the fruit of said belief what is
the fruit of your prayer life what is
the fruit of meditation what is the
fruit of stargazing you know what is the
fruit of reading
material people say is dangerous and
stay away from what is the fruit in your
life what does it produce so you have to
be able to judge that
um
and with that being said though there
are many concepts that those many of
those names uh which i would before said
um that could be dangerous stuff for a
christian because it's going to cause
you to question but it's healthy it
doesn't mean that these people are
speaking truth uh about those things
but you have to
um
when you're a truth seeker when you are
uh
studying
john mcauthor don't know everything on
the scriptures
like each subject
takes a lifetime
of study
each subject in the bible each chapter
each verse listen each word
takes a lifetime of study and that's why
we all come together because there's
different words that reach out to us
there's different things that we bring
to the table different beautiful
profound
personal revelations that we can share
that can help people so understand that
for the christian for the believer for
the non-believer too
so i look at somebody like jordan
maxwell and who's a dear friend of mine
and i look up to him and appreciate his
work
conflicting things do i i don't believe
everything he
believes is you know whatever it is what
it is but um but when it comes to
certain things
when it comes to the bible the mazeroth
astro theology
which is astrology in the bible
it's scary for a lot of christians
because many people in astro theology
will tell you that the bible is simply
astrology none of it exists it is all
just the story of astrology that's very
scary right oh it didn't exist it's not
real but i took i made something literal
that was always just above me as an
allegory
but it is embracing the allegory it is
embracing each of the archetypes and to
be able to see it
um
jordan maxwell shows you that that
many of these these things are ancient
and we're in the bible you know the the
maserath what is the maserath
it's the zodiac
it is the it is the wheel of ezekiel the
wheel within the wheel it is the sun
that is passing through the different
houses of the zodiac
you know it is a wheel within this other
wheel that tested you know the pulling
of the tide the changing of the seasons
all of that stuff and we've been told
that was demonic and it's not in the
bible and we should stay far away but
hold on like wow the bible's full of
this and it's talking about orion it is
talking about
um the the
uh pleiades it's talking about the bear
and the seven sisters and all of these
it's full of the allegory and until you
know that until you you won't notice
until you research it especially from a
christian perspective because you've
been told it's demonic stay away the
bible isn't it's against astrology no
the early
saints and seers were prophets were
stargazers that's what the word means
um
so it's something little that you hear
from somebody who's studied under a
different school of thought a different
belief system that unlocks something in
you
for your research
for your um for your study and you're
able to see that you're able to see the
the astrology in the bible and that the
bible is full of it listen there's a
reason
why the uh the stargazers were the ones
who showed up to welcome
the messiah to the world
they followed his star
the three wise men
you look up the word wise men the
original word is magi
magicians
white magicians magi the stargazers it
wasn't the pr prophets it wasn't
it wasn't the pastors the preachers the
teachers it was
the the magi the magicians
those who were trained in magic
were the ones who showed up to welcome
the birth of the messiah and brought
gifts
um and that should tell you something
and then we look into the book of
revelation and a lot of the the
symbology and things like that and we we
take it literal you know again we look
at ezekiel's wheel and
we've been told that that's a ufo and
it's this futuristic device that's
spinning or or that it's this mad angel
like it's it's a weird angel with all
these eyeballs on it because that's how
it's described but
to really break it down and see what's
going on it is
it is the zodiac it's the mazda roth
that's the word that's used in the bible
for those of you who don't know if that
concept's new mazerath is used when you
look up the meaning of the maserath it
is the zodiac
it is the the the uh 12 houses it is the
the animals
um in the sky that's telling the story
of the messiah be of good cheer because
it doesn't disprove it it actually
proves the gospel it proves the bible it
is his story his story in the stars
and so that
not the question not the fear but to
embrace listen
there's much more to this story because
it it was
it was behold the lamb of god which was
slain before the foundations of the
world where was he slain
in the cosmos in the stars it was his
story before the foundations of the
world it was there and everything
testifies of god everything
testifies of his goodness so why
wouldn't the stars the bible says surely
the heavens declare the glory of god
the skies proclaim the work of his hand
come on man
this is a this is a song and dance into
something new for a lot of people
um
and then again going to revelation we
hear about the four living creatures
and they're these big great beasts with
wings and they're because they're flying
they're hovering and they they are
around the throne of god singing
holy holy holy is the lord god almighty
continuously singing their praises right
and we hear about these creatures these
beasts these kind of angelic beings and
they're very scary and we should honor
them and things when we take it literal
but if we look look at what these
these four living creatures are they're
living and they're moving and they're
around the throne of god listen
the four living creatures are the four
fixed signs of the zodiac when you go to
the book of revelation you read about
these creatures and you read about what
they look like in in their jobs and what
they do and then you pull up a picture
of the zodiac in the four
cardinal signs of the cross
the the solar cross of the four seasons
each one looks exactly like one of the
creatures the head of a man the head of
an ox the head of a
an eagle
and uh and i believe it's the head of a
lion so you read in revelations
of these creatures that are around the
throne of god the sun right and and the
sun is passing
through
this and i i don't know why i went on
this deep rant about
that about the zodiac and but it's
beautiful to me it unlocks something in
you when you've never heard this stuff
and you're not hearing it from from
christians you're not here
in church
um
but it takes somebody like jordan
maxwell to unlock that for you to show
you that because he's been studying it
his whole life from a different
perspective from an outside
outsider's perspective from a um
a teaching perspective
diana spy says chris carter teaches on
the the maserath on kingdom talks and
kingdom talks as well
exactly but you have to understand where
they got it from
you have to understand and and we and we
need to go we need to pay homage we need
to say thank you to these people we need
to say thank you to jordan maxwell we
don't just need to take their work and
just keep sharing it and expounding
which we're gonna do
there's no way we can trace it back but
there's
jordan maxwell has been talking about
this for 20 you know over 20 30 years
maybe more so we we have to give our
roses we have to let these people know
that we're thankful for what they
brought and have brought to the table
versus stealing their work and and going
with it and i honor chris carter i've
never heard chris carter mention jordan
maxwell but absolutely
uh that work what he may not know it
but it's inspired by jordan maxwell
so
everybody in the in the chat here saying
thank you george maxwell amen uh he
wrote the forward in my book i love
jordan maxwell i honor him for what he
brought to the table and what he
continues to bring to the table in that
regard uh chris carter is doing our
webinar tonight we got a webinar with
chris carter um
again i'm really big into that but i
know that the problem with that for many
christians is that when you name drop
when you name these people you scare
people
you scare them listen tonight we're
doing a webinar
on
the elementals and the angels with chris
carter
now
many people are studying the elementals
many people are studying the angels
i thought i was an expert you know i
wrote about my experiences with
elemental beings uh
and fairies and uh and and shades and
things like that
and um you kind of feel like an expert
just because you've had an experience
listen we all do everybody's an expert
at least they think they are um but it's
not until you learn more and you're like
wow there's so much i didn't know and
then we get into the work of
madame blavatsky helena patrona
blavatsky
and then i'm doing my research writing
my book and just
i started reading about blavatsky and
see what she said about the elementals
and listen where is this stuff this
stuff blavatsky wrote it blavatsky made
this stuff famous she got it from all
the world religions and and brought it
together and taught it and and when you
mention her name you automatically scare
people
automatically scare people she was a
charlatan she was a fraud
i have friends that i care deeply about
who say jordan maxwell is a fraud and
they want to expose him and hold on we
got to honor the stuff these people
brought to the table we got to honor it
we have to we need to pay homage for the
work the dedication because it took a
lifetime
of these people
studying this stuff that they bring to
us when it comes to elemental beings and
fairies and and nymphs and and there's
so many the ones that aren't even
popular we don't even know about there's
a list of them that i put in my book
that i got from blavatsky
somebody who put a neck out there to
bring this stuff to the west
to remind us of the secret life of these
beings and how they interact so
i do understand that most of us don't
know where it came from you know we hear
chris carter say it oh we hear true
seekers say it and unless we tell you
nobody knows but when it comes to a lot
of stuff from chris the christian
perspective it is scary because
the immediate the moment i say jordan
maxwell
you know i
a lot of christians are turning off
even bigger the moment we say helena
blavatsky you're turning it off not even
to acknowledge
and honor
the good things that they brought
and so that needs to change
that needs to change for sure and i've
made sure to do that and i try to
you know it makes for a longer
conversation it makes for a longer point
but i try to reference hey with this
came from this guy's work
amazing make sure you look it in but he
says this and i believe this so i'm
going to add to it
so there's many um
and it would be impossible to
continuously do that and and all this
but but for sure we want to make sure we
get we give credit and stuff so um and
on top of that the caveat is not
you know sometimes people don't know
maybe maybe um you know how many times
removed it is from jordan maxwell to uh
chris carter to
myself two kingdom talks
you know again like kingdom talks pretty
sure got it from uh chris carter you
know what i'm saying the study and the
in the beauty of the maserath and in the
stars and and and the beings and all of
that kind of stuff and and kingdom talks
may not know anything about jordan
maxwell and listen that's just how the
information works it is part of it but
if you do know
if you do know man give credit
give credit and maybe i'll ask chris
carter tonight chris carter knows a lot
more than he says i'll say that i know
that hopefully tonight in in this
smaller smaller um
webinars that we're doing with him
um he'll uh
he'll uh
share some of that but um yeah man
that's how we progress you know what i'm
saying like
um
progress you know deeper um yeah so the
information on on the uh the chris
carter webinar tonight it is hosted by
the mystic circle on that platform right
now
so go to the mysticcircle.net it is at
7pm central tonight
it's going to be good
chris carter is amazing he has his own
take you know i'm not knocking chris
carter's experience because it is
coupled with the work of jordan maxwell
it is coupled with the knowledge of hp
people levski and manley p hall
whose names will forever be on my lips
so i want to make sure i say that in my
work is giving homage my early albums
were dedicated to these people's work it
is to try to find a way to uh use their
audio samples in my music you know so
that people would say hey who is that
and you would ask deeper and you would
get into their original work in all of
this so i will say that but
give your roses to people while they're
here
give your roses to people while they're
here and so as people are saying a link
in the chat please um
i'm gonna type it so it's just
www.themysticcircle.net
um it is it is tonight and uh and if
you're not able to catch it most of you
who are listening to this on the
podcasting apps this will be after the
fact but um
you guys can listen to the replay so all
the replays are there there are about
there are seven um
webinars that are posted right now and
listen all of them were something good
all of them were something like
really really deep that i learned a lot
and i got to engage and i got to learn
about angels and i got to learn about
numbers and i got to learn about
channeling and and receiving information
and that kind of thing and so i i
definitely honor those people and and
their work um
that's how we progress that's how we
move forward
um
and uh that's pretty much it you know
just those those points that i want to
get out
and
take it and share it take it and learn
from it take it and run with it
you know
um
thank you guys for watching
thank you guys for listening
thank you guys for supporting every
share every retweet
every message
every tag
every donation
every patreon every
webinar that somebody joins like it
really means the world to me that people
are engaging
and resonating with
a lot of this work which is weird which
is far out which is fine the others
but there's a reason why why people
resonate and engage with it and i just
want to say that every
all of it is uh
amazing
i'm grateful for everything that you can
do we understand that not everybody can
support financially
not everybody can can attend and be a
patron and all that kind of stuff
there's different levels of that for
sure we try to make it make it where
like any any level of of giving can can
tie into it but um
even those who aren't able to do that i
just want to say thank you and um
you know we are
i want to be
just um you know
the message behind
this stuff you know it is it is presence
it is mindfulness um it is awe it is
wonder
it is um it's not escapism but it's
about
contemplation on god and things of god
and and how beautiful this world is how
beautiful this experience is
how beautiful you are how fearfully and
wonderfully made you are how connected
you are to the sun and you're connected
to the stars and connected to each other
and connected to the seasons and
and and and everything
it's so good you know and you bring all
of that
in into your meditation into your prayer
into your mindfulness
it um
it makes it a lot more fun it's more
interactive
so i will um
we'll say that
but it is about being present bring it
into the now moment listen that's where
the magic is it's in the now it's not in
tomorrow
it's not what we're doing tonight it's
not in yesterday but it is in this
moment
enjoy every moment
embrace every
moment
live every moment
and uh
treat it special every moment is sacred
every moment is holy thank you for the
donation uh
afd says i love you bro thank you
um every every moment is special every
moment is sacred uh uh with yourself
with god with the elements with your
families with your friends
with your enemies your arguments and
your disagreements and
listen everything is sacred
i know that all life is sacred this is
the truth that i perceive learn to share
what we have and then there's no need
for greed
you have to bring it into the moment
cherish everything
there's a beautiful song by tim mcgraw
and it's essentially about a person
who's diagnosed with cancer
and in that moment which seems like doom
doom and gloom
seemed like a moment that they were born
again
they were living each moment from from
that that point like it was their last
live like you're dying i mean it talks
about doing the things that i've always
wanted to do
seeing the things that i've always
wanted to see
tell my lover the things that i've
always wanted to tell them tell my
children that i embrace them and i honor
them and teach them and what if i wasn't
here what do i want to ex that person to
remember me by an experience not to get
caught up in your feelings or emotion
but to be present
because it's about presence it is about
the now moment and so that song is just
a reminder to live in the moment live
every day like it's your last listen
you're not promised tomorrow
we live in uncertain times
you're not promised tomorrow
but you are promised this moment right
here
this moment now
which means more
than anything
be present in your conversations
uh with your family pay attention honor
those among you
um because you don't know when it's when
you're not gonna have it again
and that's the biggest the biggest thing
is you know you know sometimes you don't
know what you had until it's gone
you didn't know how bad you were gonna
miss something or someone until they're
gone
um and i don't you know obviously this
isn't about bad news
or the state of the world in this case
to to
you know glorify any of that but we are
living in uncertain times
we've always been
10 years ago we weren't promised
tomorrow
today we're not promised tomorrow so
nothing's changed on that front
the awareness and the love and the
spirituality that is in a moment
that was then
and is
being called to now
you may you know these concepts are new
for many people eckhart tolle being
present mindful in a moment um
take it with you
you're not promised tomorrow
you don't
miss the simplicity of a breath
until you don't have it
whether you're not here anymore
or
you get a sickness that takes away your
breath
um
you know things become real when it when
when it when it strikes at home when it
becomes closer to home then it becomes
real
um
live in that moment it's the beauty of a
breath
it is the power
and the spirituality
of the breath to focus on the breath
where did it come from
go into a meditation and follow it
breathe in and then follow it as a trail
as a portal as a doorway back to the
giver of the breath
the beauty of the breath
in the heartbeat you know my two
vehicles into the spirit world into the
beauty beauty and
wonder of god is the breath and it is
the heartbeat
there's something physical something
tangible that i have that i can i can i
can focus on and say thank you for
and um
and they become portals and vehicles
into the spirit um it's other things too
it's my family it's it's my wife it's my
health
it's my job it's my music it's my
creativity it's my friends it's my enemy
it you know it becomes more things as we
become more more mindful
but there's power in that
there's power in that so i just want to
just remind you you know
um
tell people that you love them
people in your circle you appreciate
them um
we have people you know falling all
around us people are passing away all
around us right now
every day i'm losing someone uh because
of this
situation that we're dealing with in the
world i'm losing somebody from it every
day somebody beautiful somebody who i
have memories of and memories with
and um
and it's
it's happening fast
and i'm not the only one we're in the
same boat together
um
you never know when you're going to
breathe your last breath
we explore the that concept
so much on this show
death
eternity what happens when we go
well we can try to be experts on what
happens when we go and what's happening
in the world
or we can just try to be a good steward
of our time
and our energy and that's the only thing
we can do
so i just want to remind you guys listen
i lost my cousin this morning
um just a few years older than me two
three years older than me
greg gibson
um lost his battle with covet
um
you know people we've gone to church
with
they're dying
you know they're
having complications breathing there's
an attack on the breath
there's an attack on the lungs and so
um
embrace people
each moment
each second
because in the moment in the now
there is eternity
you are eternal in the moment you're
always gonna have it
the eternal moment
speak healing
let's try to manifest some uh
some some healing for people
you know we've been manifesting some
cool stuff jobs and and spouses and and
and finances and things and and we've
manifested healings too but let's
let's tap in together guys when you hear
about somebody who's having
complications and let's let's do some
alchemy man
let's tap in
let's alchemize the situation
let's use what
the enemy um
meant for evil it's god will in turn and
use it for good
you know i believe we have the power to
tap in and co-create with god listen
that's what all this this entire talk
has been about co-creating the life that
you want for yourself for your children
and for your enemies man
it's when their compassions move for
your enemy will you really know
that i'm woke
you're woke
not when you figured out the plans of
the illuminati
and the plans of the global elite no you
ain't woke you're just watching
documentaries when your heart extends
for your enemies
and you want to see them blessed
you want to see the people that you
disagree with blessed come on y'all
it's time for you guys to stand up i
love each and every one of you man take
care of yourselves out there get some
good vitamins in you man do breath work
put your feet on the ground let that
energy into you man let it let it raise
your frequency let it take you to new
levels and new heights that you've never
before dreamed at all and that wonder
that compassion to flow out in
everything that you touch and everything
that you do
bring it into the now moment listen
that's the power i love you guys in
jesus name man and we're gonna do this
um hopefully for a lot a lot longer and
um with that i'm gonna say peace and
shalom man many blessings guys those of
you who want to we'll be on tonight with
the school of the mystics and we'll be
doing breath work sunday morning
meditation going deep in the lord love
you guys we'll do it again shalom shalom
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