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discussion. Today, my guest is arc from the hip hop group, destiny lab.
Art, welcome to the true secret podcast, my friend. How are you? Thank you so
much for having me, man. Appreciate it. I'm doing good. Good to finally connect
with you, man. I've been seeing your work for years and we have an overlapping
audience with the the music and the subject matter and all that stuff. So
never talk with you guys. And so we're going to do it for the first time on
cameraman, loud podcast. Absolutely, bro. I appreciate it. It's been looking forward to this and
yeah, I've been checking out your podcast, your music, and yeah, we definitely have a lot of stuff
in common. So we look forward to this. Sure, for sure. So I want to pick you brain about the subject
matter, music, hip hop, all that good stuff. And again, let's just start out just for people who
don't know who you are, what you do, just kind of give a brief overview the music, your podcast,
you know, your experiences, whatever you want to do just a brief intro, we'll start there.
You okay? Yeah, I'm the MC for the group. Destiny Lab is just a two-man group. I'm the MC
and my my friend genetics. He makes all the beats. We've been making music together since the early
90s, but officially started making music about the subjects that we talk about now about in 1998,
officially formed Destiny Lab in 2004 and actually started, you know, putting
albums out and stuff like that. So basically I make music about all the kind of
things that you talk about on your podcast. You know, UFOs, aliens, a paranormal
realm. I talk about sleep paralysis. I talk about secret societies,
creation versus evolution, you know, the pineal gland, form a key, all these kind of things,
the new wage, all these types of things that kind of I have experienced in my life is
what I talk about. And I basically came from a Christian upbringing where I, but I was always
into the weird and paranormal and odd stuff. I actually became a, started making special effects,
make up and making masks and doing creature effects when I was around 15 and let
move from a very small town to a Los Angeles and really got caught up in a big
story there and I don't know if you want to get into all that but went through a
lot of experiences that were outside of you know the norm got caught up within
kind of the new age and going to a lot of grateful dead concerts, taking
psychedelics, going to a lot of like a new age type of gatherings, but I always considered
myself still a Christian, but I started putting a lot of pieces of these puzzles together
as far as asking deeper questions about what these things I was seeing people saying and
claiming within the new age and sort of channeling information, comparing it to the study
I was doing into alien abductions because I was another huge thing I was into because I was
creating aliens. I was studying alien abduction stories because I wanted to make the most realistic
aliens you know I could and that was I wanted to like be abducted so I was kind of kind of
just giving them a lie in there and stuff of like what the balancing act between good and evil a
little bit and not that those people are evil but I think there's a lot of people my search has
always just been for truth like you my true secret and that's kind of what our music is about
Fundamentally searching for truth and asking all the tough questions, you know, so
That's it in a nutshell. I mean, I can go a lot deeper now. Yeah, yeah
We'll go into some of those stories and stuff for sure
So I guess my next question would be you know, where did the fascination with this stuff come from did it come from?
Having experiences as a child of waking up and having sleep paralysis. I have obviously speaking on it like
There's a you know if you've experienced that you want to speak on it. Did you have
experiences as a kid. Was it just through study and research that just kind of
bled over into the art form in your music or what like a little passion in
you to talk about this stuff? It was a few things. I you know I had you know
strange experiences as a kid I think like anybody else seeing shadow beans or
whatever and not knowing if it was a dream or not. I never necessarily have
experienced deep sleep paralysis. I have been paralyzed in my dreams but not
not waking up being able to look around but not see, but my wife has and I've got a lot
of stories about that and how that affect our family.
But what got me into it when I had a young age is I actually, my mom's family comes
from a Masonic background.
I see we always have these weird like Masonic swords and weird helmets and all this
paraphernalia that she inherited from her great grandfather.
And so I was always asking questions that kind of had me interested in the secret societies
and that type of thing.
And then at a very young age, my brother and I discovered a satanic ritual site within
about a half a mile from our house.
And this was on a gravel driveway at what they called like a people call like the hellhole.
Like people go out there and drink and party.
And it was a siphon tube that went connected to a canal and went deep underground.
It was like a cave, but it was all metal.
What city?
And this is in the Boise, Idaho ramp around area.
And small, actually, neighborhood off that area,
about an hour from Boise, but it's right on the Idaho
Oregon border, but it was a, we were coming around a corner
and this was kind of weird.
This happened on Easter morning that we found this.
And so the previous night, there were basically a satanic group of people out there we saw a cat, a cat on the ground and like gutted from head to toe.
And then we're like, oh, that's weird. And had a rope running snack and we came around the corner and saw another one.
We were like, what the heck. And so we went, we knew their beer cans, we went down there.
And we saw like just a bunch of scratchings on the wall of like, you know, pentagrams and things like that.
went down deeper into it and actually found an altar that set up with an upside down
cross and a cat gutted a third cat gutted and duct taped to this cross and there were candles.
There was a letter and red calligraphy type writing talking about this is like a ceremony
of initiation type of thing for someone that they had to go through this and we called
sheriff and they came out and took everything and but it really opened my eyes to
see that this stuff was real how it was from then that point I was always I was
about probably about 11 12 years old at that point we discovered that so it
really opened me up into just man this stuff's real even small towns there's
people into evil stuff yeah actually do this stuff yeah and so it it you know
I just blew me away so that kind of exposed me to all these kinds of things and
And then I, like I said, I was already into aliens, creating monsters, all these kinds of things.
So I just was caught up in that.
And then when I went to Los Angeles, I, you know, got involved with some different people
that were into weird stuff, you know, and just saw some weird things firsthand.
I saw some people with the Ouija boards and they called a dog over the corner, made
the lights flicker, all kinds of kind of strange paranormal things like that.
And then going to grateful bed concerts, I could feel spirits around me literally.
I mean, you can feel something walking by you just, you know, a rush of, you know, of something
very dark. And so I began to put these pieces, the puzzle together. And when I was studying
alien abductions and also creation evolution, that was another thing I studied and how there seemed
to be this calling for that we are all evolving to this higher power. And we're all,
of all belongs to this point that we at some point will be God's ourselves, which is kind
of the claim through the New Age movement, the kind of the original sin of the Iron God
movement. And it's a fine line there, because that's what Satan doesn't inverts the
truth, in my opinion, you know, because we are all sons and daughters of God who made
the image of God, God is omnipresent in all places, and we can call on the Holy Spirit
that develops within us all these things
can be inverted in a way,
and counterfeited in a way to make you the God.
And that it's all because of you and your power yourself.
And so these things have began to recognize.
And I, and throughout all this time,
I was also making hip-hop music, by the way.
So at a very young age, I was making rat music with my friends.
All the time was just memorizing songs
and just doing it for fun.
I never necessarily set out to do it with music.
I would say just a lot, like third bass
was one of my main influences in the early 90s.
I loved the third bass for whatever reason.
But I'd say, you know, run DMC.
I really went into kind of KMD,
some weird kind of offshoot of underground music.
I got really into more underground music
in the 90s, you know, listening to dirt and some Christian hip hop artists that were
spin off of that group. Yeah. And so I've always been there to
was it dirt on Breathe Babylon, my POD on the Brown album? You know, I don't, I'm not sure.
He may have been. He's, he's with the shadow of the locus.
Yeah. Yeah. Breathe Babylon. I, uh, yeah, with POD. Yeah, he's on there.
Okay, yeah, he's that's all I know. Yeah, he's he's good MC and I love that style kind of the grimy hip hop
And so I was always a fan of that and just kind of memorize different songs and that's interesting man because I can hear like
similarities in
In your style now that I'm thinking of that guy's
Cadence and his voice and flexing the stuff and in your stands out too
I see some similarities there for sure. Yeah. Yeah, Cypress Hill was also
huge, huge fan cypressil, some people think I sound like be real sometimes. I kind of
switch it up depending on the song, you know, how I feel. I always set out when I hear
make a beat, I'm like, what would I want the, you know, if I was listening to rap, what
I want, what would I want it to sound like? And I basically try to emulate that. But I can't
say that I've necessary like to live the lifestyle and all that kind of stuff. So I've
necessary, not necessarily ever even wanted to be the center of attention, which has always
kind of been an issue for me. I don't necessarily like doing live performances. I have done
a lot of live performances, but it's not necessarily a big calling for me, I feel. I mean,
I'll do it, but I have problems remembering lyrics. I've just been on stage. And I'm sure
over time I could figure out, but I've mainly done online and doing interviews like this.
And then trying to be a link in the chain for people. My goal has always been
and not for self-promotion.
It's always meant reaching out to other people
and using, I was convicted to make this music.
Literally, I felt convicted because I felt like,
man, I know about all this stuff.
I was listening to Christian hip hop realm
and nobody's really talking about these things.
I felt like, you know, if somebody's not gonna do it,
I will, I guess.
You know, I mean, this is kind of my calling
and my journey because I went through these things.
So I felt kind of called to do it
and officially formed, Destiny of the 2004,
although it was making a few songs just randomly friends
that were about Christianity and just like that.
It's just a little bit deeper subject matter.
I know in the Christian realm,
I guess I would think one of the first ones to do it
was like, Bizzle, at least to blow up.
You remember Bizzle, the Christian rapper
was not over money.
Well, he did that first one.
He was a secular rapper and did the song about Jay-Z
being a Mason.
And he just did the secular,
he was cursing in and then everything too.
But that song blew up on the early days of YouTube,
I would say, and so he became a Christian rapper.
Like, all of the success of this exposing Jay-Z
as being a mason and a mason and a mason
and rituals and stuff like that.
But he was the first one that kind of gave that stuff
a platform from the Christian realm, I guess.
I'm like you, I've been doing it in the underground
and a few people here and there listening
talking about masons and going in on symbolism on the money and rituals and all that kind
of stuff. But when somebody big does, it then it gives it this validation. Like, oh, yeah,
we've always known about this. Yeah, yeah, no doubt. It seems like, you know, I found out
there were a lot of Christian rappers who were actually were masons. And so it really kind
of blew my mind. Well, a lot of pastors, when you saw speaking on this, so you found it in
the pastors are mason and it's tied to the money.
And it's like, oh, wow, now, you know,
you've got an enemy, you've got a lot of people
who I think are good people who are masons.
You know, you gotta get a certain point
to really understand that you're just basically a pawn
in the game, you know.
So when you first find out about that stuff,
you're just like, you're just a pig and a parlor,
you're cutting everybody's head off.
You're mason, you've got a ring,
you got the symbolism, you don't know who you were something.
And the people I hope, who's this guy, you know,
you make a lot of enemies, at least I did for sure.
We were like, yeah, man, I was very outspoken
when I found out about that stuff.
Yeah, yeah, me too.
I mean, you know, I made songs about the whole human growth
and all these things.
And I started trying to talk about these things
with other Christian artists.
Hey, nobody's doing this.
You're like, they're just looking like,
what are you talking about?
You know, what is all the stuff you're talking aliens
and the occult and super societies
and the words just have to do Christianity
and they just couldn't get it.
And I thought I could like,
shop my music around and get signed or something
and now I look back, they can, man, it was crazy.
There's no way nobody's gonna sign me.
So that's why I came out and my first album
as I came out was like a double album
because I've been sitting on so many songs
just making songs, but not necessarily compiling
it into an album.
So, you know, that's where I think of 2012
was my first album,
it was the evolution antidote and a 2010 actually,
I came up with evolution antidote and original sin
like at the same time.
And so in both albums have like 17 songs on them.
So it's kind of a double album.
Nice, nice, nice.
Now let's get back to the Hollywood thing
because you were kind of in the middle of telling the story
by, you know, we gave you that a little bit.
So what was the big thing that you've seen
just being around all those people
and tapping in through that?
Well, it was just the experience, you know,
And one of the things that happened was one of the first movies I worked on was called
the Lawnmower Man.
And I don't know if you've seen that movie, but the Lawnmower Man is all about transhumanism.
It's all about using, and which is a big thing I talk about my music with the creation
evolution and the occult all these things because it's all interconnects, but transhumanism
and using transhumanism to download through basically alchemical symbols and flashy lights
into a guy that was mentally challenged and turned into a super person who thought he was his own
God in the end. And so I was kind of exposed this, that kind of thing in the second movie I
worked on was a movie called Demonic Toys. Oh, and it was all about toys becoming in a
spirits coming into them and then then coming alive and attacking people.
baby oopsie daisy. It's so it's kind of yeah exactly I work on the place that made baby oopsie daisy
did you know that I actually sculpted a lot of those characters yeah so so I did all the teeth
for the jack-lantern and the um the uh it's a classic jack-a-box and the uh yeah full moon full moon
they've got a lot of you know crazy uh puppet master all those kinds of movies but yeah demonic toys
I worked on that and a few other kind of low-budget things you probably
know but it's it's kind of my mind that this stuff is like yeah it's kind of
worth their talk about the stuff in movies and what is the connection I was
already into aliens and sending abductions and channeled information and so it
really just started putting all these pieces of the puzzle together and then I
found a VHS like series that was all like from a cult perspective about the
Atlantis, Lemuria, and the Great White Brotherhood of Enlightenment. It literally has videos of like
people going into these gold pyramids that are literally doing all these
occult rituals. And I still have these VHS tapes this day, but it was from a guy called himself
the prophet Aliyah, and it's some creepy stuff, and made me realize, wow, this stuff's real too,
just like this, you know, satanic ritual stuff. So yeah. Well, this demon, uh, when I was a week
either, your videos kind of lagged up either.
All right, just turn it. See if you're still with this shout out to everybody in the chat.
I see you guys, so I'm gonna kind of kill some time to arc its back on with this.
Christy Johnson, what up, Stephanie Jones, hey my friend, Adriana, good to see you,
April, Facebook user, Devin, what's up Devin, Gothic mystic, Simone, and Richie. So yeah,
when you're doing a live show sometimes you have technical difficulties. So maybe he'll be back
with us in the second. Let me pull up my Zoom meeting info just to see you. If anybody has any
questions, whether it's for me or for arc, just type them there in the chat and we'll get to them
eventually. Like I said, I know we have a overlapping audience and a lot of people send me
destiny lab videos and comment on my YouTube with their videos and stuff like that. So it's really
cool that we finally got to talk like for years. I've known who these guys were for years.
The reason we're doing a Wednesday show is because kingdom talks hit me up. Gil hit me up
and invited me to their conference coming up so well they have a conference or retreat so I'll be
there tomorrow so I didn't know what time it was so I was like I didn't want to cancel this
interview, didn't want to cancel this talk so I made sure that we got together and made it happen
today so that we can make it happen. So here we are. So I'm looking forward to that. Also this
kind of crazy. I'm getting invited to all these retreats like in the same day. So I'm going to that
retreat with Gil Hodges and Adina and Kingdom Talks. And then I'm going to the Kirby Delano
role retreat. He has a five-day retreat. Don't know if I'm doing all five days, but I'm going to
But to hang out with everybody and meet everybody and see what spirit has for me.
Who knows?
Maybe they're very months.
You never know.
But I'm going to be going to that that's in Destin and then also right after that, that
kind of like tails into our retreat that we're doing here in Mobile, Alabama.
So we're going to be doing a lot of retreats this month and it's really cool again for
the support that everybody who listens to this show and supports financially and just
the part of what we're doing because I remember a time where, you know, working a nine
to five job, driving a truck, there was no way that I could do anything extracurricular
if it wasn't on a Saturday night, you know, on a way of as a Saturday, Friday night
if I got back early enough, but some of those nights getting back driving those long
shifts, there was no way that I can, you know, be a part of that.
So when people are inviting me to stuff during the week and this is what I do.
So I'm able to make it.
So I'm actually excited about going and connecting with Gil and the Dina, and not only
them, Cindy, Cole Pepper and Brian Cole Pepper is going to be there.
I think what's his name?
Steve, Steve, the music, the sayingables, guys, Steve Hampton is going to be there.
I think Daniel Cook is going to be there.
So all the people in this area.
then the Kirby one like Nico is going to be there.
He invited me to stay with him.
Nico Morales, y'all know I'm good friends with him.
And also Jeffrey and Jamie Moody invited me as well.
So I'll get to meet my people.
It's good and person.
That's what it's about.
We love the internet, but when we get to meet in person,
you got to make it happen.
You got to do it.
So that's going on.
And again, that's going to tea into our retreat that I'm hosting on May the first.
We're going to tap into energy.
It's going to be good.
It's going to be real good.
Someone said, Chris, he says, my dreads are getting long.
Yes, they are getting pretty long.
They just kind of do their own thing and they grow such as the kingdom.
It's growth, right?
Um, letting it do its thing.
So what else do we got going on?
Let's see, um, my album, I'm working on it.
It's going to be coming out soon.
Uh, they'll probably be like some kind of pre-order.
for a autograph copy and maybe some stickers or a t-shirt or something like that with like an exclusive t-shirt
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released soon
We get this thing here
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Oh, how are you there, man?
Are you back?
Got me.
Yes.
I'm sorry about that.
Oh, good.
You got to kind of interesting how that happens,
right when I talk about this.
It's not the first time that's happened.
Talking about demonic toys.
Yeah.
And the lawnmower man and computers and all that stuff.
Um, yeah, dude, speaking of like finding a
A site where they were doing rituals and stuff. I remember you were young too
That's why I asked like I don't think I was 11 yet
I probably I was probably like nine or something
But I remember riding through the neighborhood with some friends and
Coming upon this house that had a bunch of stuff outside piled up like in the garbage can
But then it was like overflowing like bags beside it and stuff and they were stuff outside and so we were
kids ride and bod and we went to go check it out because they look I think they were moving
out the house or something. So we go over there. Hey, are you able to turn your camera back on?
Oh, is it not on? No, okay. So so so we go over there to this, um,
there we go, uh, trash heap and there's books in there and stuff. So we pick up books and there's
these weird relics and swords and stuff like that. And where kids, we don't know what it is when we
Open it up and it's like the satanic book. There's like all these pictures of our member one picture
Specifically of a naked woman on a cross and she had like a wolf where wolf head
And it was just all these detailed artworks of this demonic as pentagrams on fire and just rituals in area
We were kids. We were like, what is this stuff? And I was already I was into that stuff anyway as far as like horror movies and stuff anyway
So we're looking at this and we there's this feeling like oh, this is weird
What is this and somebody's like put it down man. We're not supposed to be messing with that no
This is crazy and so
Next door to the house. There was another house with a
Rot Waller that was behind a lattice fence
So it's like a wood wooden lattice fence and he's barking and he's angry
And so we're like get this weird feeling like hey, we're not supposed to be doing this in this dog
It's like trying to attack us through this wooden lattice, but he can't get to us
was returning to pages, looking at this creepy stuff,
and all of a sudden, that dog jumps through the lattice.
He bust through it, like Koojo on a movie.
He jumps through at us.
It shatters and goes everywhere,
but he jumps up and out, but his chain wasn't long enough.
So he was still chained up in the lattice,
and it caught him by his neck
and the dog is sitting there strangling out.
why we have the satanic paraphernalia.
We're like, what the heck, the dog's strangling
and we're kids, we know we're doing something
we ain't supposed to be doing, we just run off.
And so I guess the dog died.
So in my mind, it's like, we're a part of
some kind of weird, like satanic ritual sacrifice
of just touching the stuff that it happening.
When you talk about like having weird experiences
as a kid, man, and finding some paraphernalia
that I'm sure was using some type of ritual or something, man.
So that's an interesting story I remember.
Plus the joke had on the woman.
Yeah, I never seen anything like it was crazy,
but it definitely, you know, the movies, man.
And I still, I'm gonna be honest,
I still like a good horror movie.
I still like something that's good to like,
take you on a roller coaster ride and invoke fear,
but then give you some, you know,
relief to comedic relief even, like in the movie.
And so I really love that,
but I think a lot of that stuff opened up doors for me
as a kid, man, of, you know, wanting it to be real
and the supernatural.
And I think a lot of that stuff opened me up
to getting into the occult, getting into things
and wanting it to be real.
And I remember growing up as, you know, turning 13 or so
and then kind of like giving up on like,
yeah, it's just fake.
Get ourselves all in the movie.
You can't shoot fire out your hand.
You can't all these supernatural aliens are fake,
you know, all this stuff is fake.
And then something clicked and I found another book
I said, no, this stuff's real, you know?
And then, but you have to tap in through the occult
to get to it.
Like, and so I did.
And I started contacting entities
and reading this atanic Bible,
reading the Necronomicon, really being a student of all of it.
Trying it all just to see what would work.
And man, I ended up getting possessed, dude.
Like really like almost losing my mind at 16
from doing all of these occult seances and rituals
and asking demons to reveal themselves to me
and asking spirit guides and just asking really whatever
was out there that wanted to say hello.
And it's like none of it worked until it all worked
at the same time.
And there was like, I was insane.
Like I was getting pulled in out of trances
in the middle of the day watching TV
and they would speak foreign languages too.
It was scary.
It was demonic and I had been a Christian a few years
before that filled with the Holy Spirit.
And that's the only thing that gave me solace.
And I knew that I had to repent.
I knew I had to get my life right with God.
And that was in 2000 that I made that decision
to give my life back to Christ.
And I knew it was either that or the psychiatric ward,
you know what I'm saying?
Because I was seeing stuff that other people couldn't see
and I had no control over it whatsoever.
So that's my story, you know?
That's amazing, man, because I mean, I think there's a lot of people like that that get caught up in these kind of things, you know, and some people have, you know, I came for a pretty solid Christian foundation.
So to me, I felt like, okay, I'm like a spy infiltrating this. I'm going to gather information and I, you know, I was taking drugs and I was, but I would never go deep into the, it was in a room where they did Ouija board.
I would want to observe this stuff,
but I never actually got into it.
And, but I was more, you know, just by taking drugs
and psychedelics, I was probably drawing myself
into it more than I thought.
And that's where I was wanting to get abducted.
I started thinking, you know, the aliens must be angels
and perhaps I could, you know, get abducted
and meet them or interact with them
and figure all that out.
And so, but nothing like that actually ever happened,
Thank God so I was able to kind of keep on the border there.
But I think if you look in the Bible
and you look at some of the people that the heroes,
that's what God does is he allows people
to go through that journey.
And that's why I have such love for people
that maybe still caught up in the new wage movement
or in their cult, all these things
because a lot of these people are just searching for truth.
And they want signs and wonders to prove it.
They want something that's gonna make it real, you know?
And they want the power as well.
an ego-driven thing. And that's the I am God kind of deception of what it can be because, you know,
you want, you want to make it your reality, you know, do what that will will be the whole of the lie,
you know. So this is, you know, so integrated within all these societies and all these
occult belief systems, that's the other thing that I begin to recognize is the original sin,
The idea that you are a God is repeated so many times, whether it's Freemasons, Jesuits,
the Kabbalah, the Gnostics, the Rose accruitions, the New Ages, they all say that in one form or another,
kind of a repackaged thanks. And that is what the alien channelers claim as well.
One of the first things they will tell you is try to, yes, Jesus was a good man, but he was just
an avatar. He wasn't the Christ. You are the Christ. You knew somebody lit within,
resist to nothing, let it all in and you will open your third eye or whatever and all the stuff
really sounds good and you can get power, you can see things, you will experience things and
but these things have to be tested as well. First John 4.1 tells us exactly how to test the spirits
and unless they are coming and believe it can say that Jesus Christ came in the flesh
and that Jesus Christ isn't some of God there, a false spirit.
And I have yet to find anybody who does channeling
that interacts with an entity that claims that.
They all will say, no, he was a great man,
he was an avatar, but so is Buddha and all these other things.
So I think there is a very fine line there
where it inverts the truth and makes it a broad road
road and sterile instead of the narrow gate, which Christ talked about. So we have to be very
careful, I think, and that's one of the things that I want to do is just reach out to those
people in love, be a link in the chain. Don't believe me, investigate the claims of some of the
people who've got out of this stuff, like yourself, like people like Stephen Bankars, Laura Maxwell,
some of the greatest researchers are ex-newagers, Joe Jordan from the CE4 Research Group is a great
front of mine, he is collected over 300 of ducks, I think it's more like 500 by now, 500
ducks and stories of case by case study of people who had abduction experiences and sleep paralysis
that cured it by recognizing that these things are demonic, rebuking them in the name of the
authority of Jesus Christ, and they leave forever, never to return again. It's like a cure.
And some of these people experience sleep process for decades at a time, never to escape it.
Taking drugs talking to doctors fighting trying to find a way out and when they run say recognize what these things are and then and then
Brought in the power authority of the Holy Spirit
These things leave and what does that tell you? You know, that's like it's out of coincidence
I think you know my my big thing in it what what I bring to the table is that you have a lot of people mixing this stuff up
like together like as far as like you know
calling aliens demons or calling angels demons or any any you have people like Stephen
Bancar's now who's like anything spiritual and supernatural is demonic and that's just that's
not true right I think I think when it comes to the new age and it comes to spirituality
they stole from us they stole from the body of the most spiritual people that ever existed in my
book the apostle Paul leaving his body and going to heaven and not knowing and hearing the voices
of angels and not being not being privy enough to explain what he saw like his experience was so
insane that he didn't know if he took his body with him like if he literally went or his spirit went
there we're we're talking about guys who were communicating with angels these guys were given
messages from beyond when they would go to sleep they would enter the trance state and receive
messages and stuff so when it comes to the channeling stuff or anything new age again I think they
they have taken from, from us and there's a r-
Yeah.
What, what, this lady named Nancy Cohen says there's a righteous
real, like there's a version of this that existed, that is,
that is pure, but it's been tampered with.
And so for me, my, my walk with Christ, my life is,
is a mystical experience that from day one.
And I think God called me to that and I knew that I was
interested in intrigued in that.
And it's definitely been my avenue, just like you to,
to want to reach out to these people
and show them the real way to do it.
You know, we have access to the creator
of the universe who holds the fabric of time together
who writes your story.
And when we talk about the law of attraction
and manifestation and all that, listen,
he's the one who orchestrates any of that stuff.
So synchronicities and all of these spiritual experiences
that we read in the Bible,
we don't even have to go outside the Bible.
Like all of this stuff is in there.
but from the church realm,
these people have demonized anything supernatural,
anything spiritual, anything of anything,
it's spiritual is demonic and that's not the case.
So when it comes to a young person,
in the bank cars recently,
but I just heard his original testimony,
so yeah, I'm glad you told me that
because that's keep going, sorry, Daniel.
Yeah, no, I was just saying like when it comes to,
for what I do, like people in the church,
young people in the church who are having dreams. I'm talking about even the
prophetic, like, you know, God's giving them visions about their life. God's
giving them visions about other people. They're hearing the voice of the Holy
Spirit. They may even have an angelic encounter or something and then they
bring it to their pastor. Depending on what kind of church you go to, there's a
lot of churches that are going to say that's demonic. I remember that's my story,
like God, like coming out of the occult and then God kind of like bringing me
back in the real prophetic and like, I'm going to give you dreams and visions.
I'm going to speak to you in the night.
Like I spoke to Samuel and I'm going to call your name and you have to be obedient.
So I started having those experiences and I went to the youth pastor and they just prayed
against it and said it was the devil.
But interesting thing, like you said, the sleep paralysis stuff and the demonic stuff
when you pray against it and Jesus name it, it went away, it stopped.
But for me, when the pastors rebuked these dreams and visions that I was having, probably
because they wasn't like nice dreams or whatever, they were dreams about destruction and
stuff that was coming to the church, but those dreams never went away, the feeling that
we need to get to the bottom of it and I need to interpret it.
And it wasn't until I found a group of Christians who were to interpret dreams.
They know the Bible is full of dream interpretation and God speaking in that way.
And so it wasn't until I met those people that I was able, they were able to interpret
my dream and everything that happened in the dream came to pass.
And so again, for what I do to tap into that community is that there's people in the
church who like, if you don't answer their question, they're going to, they're going to
go to somebody who can.
And so if you can, David Wilcock will Jordan Maxwell will and they've got a lot of good
stuff.
Don't get me wrong.
A lot of those people have stuff that that folks in the church aren't privy to because
whether they haven't studied it or there's that they don't even know that that's a realm of thinking
that is even even biblical truth. I'll say that that we're not privy to because we're so in a box
or something that if you don't answer their question, David Wilcock and George Maxwell will and
and they got some good stuff for sure and that's what alerts you in. So I feel like the church has
to wake up to talk about this stuff and not even just demonize everything. You know what I'm saying?
and like anything spiritual, if an angel comes to you,
it's demonic, there are no angels, angels don't come.
The Holy Spirit doesn't speak to us anymore
like that, cessation of wisdom and all of that.
And it's like, oh my goodness, we're fighting against
a Stephen Bancar's who came out of crazy weird new age stuff
and now he's in the crazy weird Christian stuff
that just like demonizes everything.
And so yeah, he's going in a lot of the demonic stuff
and the negative stuff in the new age.
Well, you've got to give the people an alternative.
They're seeing, they're, they're all knowing it to receive dreams and visions and healing
and signs of wonders.
These signs have followed them that believe Stephen got to give us an alternative, man.
Because just just cutting it off, it's not going to make it go away.
Even if it's a godly thing that God is calling you to, so the Bible says the spirit
of the prophets are subject unto the prophets and it's time for those who understand
the way the spirit world works to to really reach out to people and be willing to be
made fun of or look like a fool or expect a call to to help some people man. And so that's
where I come from with throwing myself in that realm because those people aren't coming
to church. But you know what they are watching. Yeah. Yeah. Jordan Maxwell interviews.
Yeah.
the aliens, yeah, ancient aliens and things like that.
Hey, you know, you know, I feel like Maxwell, guess what you get.
This book, yeah, this book, yeah, this is, yeah, this is the talk about
Jordan Maxwell. It's a Christian book, man. A little bit of my music.
Yeah, he wrote my forward, man. And, uh, but this book, nice, this book tells you
how to get free from demonic oppression. This book tells you how to
fast and connect with Christ and do it the right way.
Like, you know, be wise as serpents,
but harmless as doves, man.
So we got to, we got to go into this thing head first, man,
especially with those who have had experiences.
Yeah, no.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
Yeah, those are some great points.
I mean, you know, I often say, you know,
Satan does not create anything.
There's nothing that Satan has ever created.
So we've got to recognize that everything
that he is taking to manifest and to trick and to obscure truth is an inversion of something
that God already made. Let's remember the fallen angels were angels once. In heaven, in the
presence of God, Lucifer was the highest of all the angels and the most beautiful, it says
of these angels. And because of that, he was filled with pride and, but they had access to things
that of heavily realms that in themselves aren't evil. They have been twisted and inverted to
represent self-glorification and state of glorification of the creator in my opinion. So I think
I think you're totally right. There is definitely a place we need to get it back where the church
does not talk at all about profits, about dream interpretation or what the correct interpretation of
speaking in tongues is and actually using these things. And if you talk to people who are
missionaries, they'll tell you, they actually experience these things firsthand out on the
mission ground in the Amazon forest. They hear experience some really supernatural stuff there
that we, because of our disbelief and because of our lack of knowledge in the church,
we don't see, we don't see these true signs and wonders anymore as much. And a lot of these
people out there who are like the David Iks and Jordan Maxwell's and the Michael Tassarians and
David Wilcox. They 90% of what they say is like truth but to me where it gets them is what is
your ultimate, what is your ultimate conclusion or intention and what is your, what is the ultimate
goal here and how do we win? What are we supposed to do? And a lot of times, these people in
the end say, well, we need stronger magic. These people, the cult has hijacked magic and we need
to tap into the white light. But I don't hear any glorification of my next album is actually going
to be entitled white magic. See, I use all of these terms and stuff, you know what I'm saying? But
why magic is is is doing the inner work and helping people and tapping into
spirituality, natural spirituality, fasting, speaking in tongues, healing,
signs of wonders, like knowing that you're connected, you hear the voice of the
Holy Spirit, like we got to we got to make this stuff look fun because it is not
make it look fun. Just talk about it. And it's still real. Like you don't have
to leave your relationship with Christ to tap into these spiritual
practice of the scriptures, man. And it's so like, it's more than just becoming God. Obviously,
it's checking your intention at the door. And that's the, that's the thing for me. It's hard
for me to listen to a lot of new age people or spiritual people, because I can, I can discern a lot
of intentions. And they'll be hitting, even Christians though, like they'll be hitting you with
some really deep stuff. And, and somebody said yesterday on the podcast, my friend Fred, I think,
he said, somebody would be sharing and it's just going right to your heart. And there's even,
you know, new age spiritual people that stuff is like, man, it resonates so deep. This is
eternal truths. And you're, you're saying, I'm like, I've never heard it before, but they're
biblical principles. And you may not even know that. Um, and you can feel in your heart. And then
there's other people where it's like, oh, this moves up to a head like intellectual knowledge that
you're trying to woo me and sell me a book or whatever the case is. And so a lot of those bigger
name people who are on Gaia, who are on coast to coast and stuff like that, which is our audience,
for sure. Like it's like, ooh, yeah, I don't, this guy has all cherry of motives, man. This person
is not of the light. Um, with this podcast, like I'm 400 episodes deep, and I've talked to people
that I'm like, just to be on, I try to be, I try to be honest, like sometimes I book a talking
I'm about now I want to do this damn talk.
I don't want to talk to this person about how your cat has psychic abilities and they're
communicating with you to let them outside.
They can look at you and tell and you know why they're here.
So we had to talk with this lady about it and we did it for 15 minutes and I was like,
oh, it's interesting.
Yeah.
I know when my dog wants to go outside too and you know, this disconnects you have with
animals.
So it was a cool talk.
But then the second half, well, 15 minutes in, I find out she was a Christian, she's
Catholic, but she's talking about how to like communicate with the Holy Spirit and the
Holy Spirit's going to lead you and guide you into all truth and go into her, her story.
I was like, wow, I would have never known this about you.
I would have never had this beautiful hour and a half conversation.
If we didn't enter in through the gateway of your cat has psychic abilities, you know.
And so, like, you know, are you sure of an important leak in the chain?
Yeah, man.
been interesting. And so I've, um, I did a, I did a little rant some time ago and it's just
been a revelation for me because people say like, okay, you're, I interview psychics or I
talk to healers and people who don't know Christ or either, even, they don't know him by that
name. I'll say that too. That could be some of that. But um, I get demonized a lot and you can't
be a Christian and do this or you can't be a Christian and listen to whatever music you're
listening to and all this kind of stuff. So I just went on this rant on the video and said,
you know, I'm done. I'm not going to interview any more psychics, any more healers,
any more mediums, any more shamans, any more profits, even preachers, teachers, evangelists.
I'm not interviewing any of these people. No more. I'm done with it. I'm interviewing people.
I'm talking to people. And we have to be able to see beyond these titles. You know, most
Christian just scared to talk to these people that I don't interview and Michael DeSarian just scared of Jordan Maxwell
You know when the Jordan Maxwell comes up. Oh, he's he's a big-time guy
He's a big-time
Which he's in the loom people think he's in the luminities. Oh man is on his deathbed like barely hanging on in
Don't have any money, you know, he's in the lumenari. He's sold a soul to be a mason this man
He got nothing and they're like, you know, saying he's a mason
got all these videos on them and all this kind of stuff. Listen, man, like these are people.
These are people, man. And Jesus died for people. Yeah, you know, you're condemning Jesus was
with the task letters, the prostitutes that he would be with these people. Jesus would
reach out to Jordan Maxwell instead of condemning these people and making fun of them and exposing
them. I'm going to expose you why they're doctrine is wrong about this, man. Jesus,
let y'all have all that, that ain't saving nobody.
You know, we gotta have the right beliefs and right doctrines
and we're wading through this stuff, man.
And these are people that Jesus loves.
And he knows that we have to,
I feel like we have to be able to see these people
like he sees them versus their title or your Christian.
Oh, you, in this Christian to cut your head off in a heartbeat,
this Christian to or bad in business
who have you built a website and not pay you
who will hire you to come shoot a video for their church production and not pay you and say,
we're going to pay you later. Let us go get the check and you never hear from them.
But listen, I deal with them folks. But regular people, we saw it putting these people on a pedestal
because of their title and pastor. So is I'm profit. So so bishop. So and these people are dirty.
Dirty like Dave Wilcox has more Christ light in him than some of these pastors, man. And this is
the stuff we're wading through. Do we just go because it's Christian Gaunt? It's a church or
Christian Gaunt? Christian rappers? Like, you know, we have to wade through it until the
sermon is key, I think. Yeah, yeah, great point, man. Yeah, I, I, in some of my songs, I call out
the false doctrines, the false Christians, the false pastors, you know, those wolves and
and sheep's clothing that are the deceivers, and that's a lot of what I do is, you know,
is trying to, you know, expose not only the obvious things, but the things that are masquerading,
you know, and I think there is a need for what you're doing to definitely manage to have an
important link, because it's like I said, if there's people aren't getting answers in church,
Where are they going? You know, so they're watching George Maxwell and people. That's what I was
doing. That's what you were doing. You got to know about the sarian somewhere. You're like,
you know? Yeah. Yeah. No doubt. No doubt. I've been there, man. So it's it's all kind of part of
the journey. And our target audience, you know, I was, I don't know if you don't
can trust the lids. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Joe Jordan's good friends, but I was really involved with
his, uh, forum and for, for a few years when he used to see me hours. Yeah.
anymore. But yeah, a family hour and I was like kind of semi-famous in
their pockets. I was the only Christian. But my I would try to have deep
conversations with people and and try to show them, you know, not that they're
wrong, but what they're truly searching for is Christ is what the Bible's
offering it is what the Holy Holy or eternal life and salvation all these
things that you're looking through like through open-year per third eye or taking DMT and all these
things. That stuff is is real for real, you know, but there's also count people or things or
entities that are counterfeiting these things as well. So we have to be on guard basically. And I've
got a song called Have You Entertain Angels, which is all about the flip side of the positive
encounters with angels, angels that help people in, you know, accidents that appear
I don't know where I lift a car off somebody or the, you know, interact with you and just a
daily basis basis maybe just give you that smile you need at a point or just say hello to you,
somebody in need, you know, there's lots of things in the Bible talks about your entertaining
angels unaware. So I think there's a lot of spiritual things going on that we're off shut off.
for me like when I found out about all this stuff and I went deep dude and I know
you're deep and and we've obviously have different paths with
everybody like the mace I started making music about mace ends and mace sign
assembles on the back of the dollar exposing it with Jesus just to get you to
follow really you know and just go in on all that kind of stuff and and I was
exposing them and I made a name for myself here city I pissed a lot of people
off and people knew me as that guy you know what I'm saying the not 11 was an
inside job. They're doing mass ritual sacrifices with 9-11 people wake up, you know, and I put it in
my music, you know, and going to the churches and they'd play it in the churches, dude, about 9-11
was an inside job. And hey, nice. Skip that song. Listen to that. Listen to the next one. But for me, it
was just like, like I was calling names. I called TD Jakes, Benny Hint, Crap Flow Dollar, you know,
what was going in on these guys? And, you know, they're, they're, they're Masonic Tide, even Billy
grand was a mason and all this kind of stuff. And so you just throw the baby out with
bathwater. But I felt like the Holy Spirit told me, it's listen, man, if you're pointing
out all of these, these people that are wrong, we went up big on tithing and took shots
at people who promote tithing and they just want to put in curses on you. And that's witchcraft,
man, you know, we're going to our throwing curses on people. And there's more witchcraft,
I found out going on in churches than there is in any seminar with spiritual healers.
But for me, I felt the Lord speak to me and say, listen, if you want to have the most
impact, don't go around pointing out how tithing is wrong.
If you do it this way or even calling out Creflo dollar and taking his samples and this
was what Creflo, that dollar said on an interview, and just exposing these people exposed
the doctrine for one thing, but just teach it the right way.
Like if they're teaching tithing wrong,
figure out the right way to teach tithing.
If they're teaching about spirituality is wrong,
teach it the right way.
And it was like, it was an easy word,
but it was revelation to me, teach it the right way.
And you have more influence,
you'll serve more people,
and it ain't gonna be a vendetta against
prosperity preachers or whoever.
And so when I did that,
like a lot of stuff changed for me
far as God taking me a little bit deeper and more humility to instead of like making these
people or false pastors my enemy because we find out like, you know, it ain't even about
those people. It ain't even about Creflo dollar or Benny Henn, whoever you think is
corrupt, what it is is the people who in their congregation paid them for a reason. Listen,
I have patrons, I got like 160 between 180 patrons who paid me monthly because they love
my music because I love the podcast. Those people are enabling me to do what I do. And so what you
put your money where your heart is, where your Bible says what your treasure is, that your heart will be
also. And it also says that people have itching ears will find for themselves teachers to tell them
what they want to hear. So let's say we take out Benny Hint. Benny Hint's done. We end this career.
We expose him. Nobody goes to his meetings. He's done. Guess what? They're going to find the next
Benny hand and they're going to get under him and they're going to pay him money and they're
going to pay to go to his and they're going to donate and it's the people.
It's not even Benny hand. He's just a part of the environment that the people want. He's
given the people what they're looking for. You know? Yeah, yeah. All we've got to do is go back to
the word man because these stories are told and retold. I'm in time again, you know, a history
repeats itself. If you look at the history of the Jewish people with how they turn their backs
and God and then came back to the truth and then these generations of people that would
ebb and flow and nothing has changed nothing's going to the sun we're still caught up in that
same paradigm of you know this is truth this is lies this you know none of us got it figured out
completely is the truth no matter yeah and we need to walk in faith and walk in grace and realize
we're saved by grace and that you know there's a lot of people out there that I believe that are
They're going to be saved that are being labeled.
We don't know the heart of every man, you know?
You don't know what somebody has said on their land
in their pet at night, you know,
and given their heart to Christ, and you know,
and yet still living in a struggle.
You know, everyone is on their own journey.
And so we've got to be respectful of each other's journeys
and realize everyone's at a different point.
Everybody's at a different pass, and God seeks man.
You know, we think we're seeking God out.
The truth is God seeks us out.
He's calling us as different individuals in each path
that each thing that gets set in your place
is part of that journey, part of that path
to open your eyes of something new.
And you just got to be open to learning
and shut off that you got to figure it out, you know.
So it's, I like taking, especially we studied
the enemy's work and what he's doing.
And so I like to kind of like see what account,
what account it is, right?
I'm at the enemy kind of fitting like with whether it is angel I mean not angels, but UFOs and aliens being demonic like okay
chart the church's full of stories of demons every
There's a demon behind every corner. You go to any charismatic service
They'll tell you how they combat demons daily and how a demon was jumped out of a book
They had in their house and ran down the hallway like they got all kind of crazy stories
And we're looking for the demons too. We're demon hunters if you will as a bam by the name
I got a tattooed on me, demon hunter, demon killer,
and kitty, or you know, but what about the angels?
Like, okay, the demons are true.
What about the other side?
What about the angels?
What about, what are your voices of demons
and seducing spirits?
What about how to hone in on the beautiful voice
of the Holy Spirit?
Jesus says, my sheep here, here are my voice.
And the strangers voice, they will not follow.
Like these teachings, like even in the mystical stuff,
like as far as angelic contact or a trance is,
our chances for today, were they spur the moment in random?
I don't believe that.
I think that they were practice.
I think that the meditative state when you go to sleep or tapping into that through many
different means was something that the early church practice.
I think these guys were very spiritual and just teaching the right way of how we can, you
know, tap in the right way versus the wrong way, you know, do the spirit, do asking a
And it is easy, I think too.
I think over complicating it gets it into,
get it gets it into trickery, if you will.
Or when you gotta do this, you gotta fast seven days
and then an angel appear.
Like there's some of that stuff too,
but just asking the Holy Spirit to show up
and just tuning in,
it's the most beautiful encounter
that anyone can have just by simply asking.
You have not, for you, asked not.
and whether it's worship in the Holy Spirit
that just loves to lift up and exalt Jesus
and it's so simple and so easy
that you don't need anything outside of yourself.
He's, he has given you the kingdom of heaven
within you and around you
that I don't need anything you're selling me.
I can be in a prison like Paul and Silas
and begin to worship and begin to glorify God.
And he's there.
It's really, if we are talking about Christ consciousness
and levels of consciousness,
I have to ship my consciousness off of my situation
and my gaze upon my enemies and what's wrong with the world
and shifted into listen, the beauty of God
and life eternal that He has given me to experience now
and we train our minds to do that, like that for me,
when I say white magic, that's what I'm talking about.
This ability that we have to change our situation
and to change the situation of people around us
by a relationship with God and how real He is
in our lives and He is in everything
and using everything to speak to us.
And so that's a shift of consciousness.
That's from Carnot, egoic mind,
animal nature to walking with everyday in communion
with God through the Holy Spirit and the work
that Jesus did on the cross to purchase us, you know?
So there's nothing more mystical than that.
That's what I wanna say.
That's how easy it is.
And I don't knock all other whatever you wanna do.
There's cool things that, you know,
that is in the Bible that they did.
But I think it's simple, man.
So I really, I'm big on teaching the righteous way
and experiencing it and trying to identify that.
Cause, and there's a lot more people doing it now.
You know, when I was doing this,
and when you started out,
I know you've seen a big shift.
Like there was no, I was made fun of.
I was called a heretic.
I was not able to have me at their churches,
you know what I'm saying?
Now they want to invite me to speak on their podcasts
and stuff.
It was hard to like want to come be around Christians because I know how judgmental they are
I know how quick that the moment you get out of line they're going to cut your head off
The moment that the Christians are watching and I got a duty shirt on. It's over. I'm done
You know what I'm saying? So it's like why what I want to be you know playing your circles
Because I know how judgmental but Christians are waking up man, you know people are abandoning the church
it's sad. But I don't think that they're abandoning their relationship with Christ. And I just
want to, I want to encourage people to hold on to that. And for those who have never experienced
an encounter with Christ with Jesus to taste and see that the Lord is good and give it a try,
it'll change your life, it'll wreck your life, you'll never be the same, you know.
Yeah, praise God. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think we're living in a time
where we should be having a great revival to be honest
because I think the external or the spiritual nature
of things has been externalized to the point
like, you know, never for at least within our lifetime
where we're seeing clearly, you know, spiritual things
kind of happening, we're seeing the occult symbols
and the signs and all these things externalized
to the point where there is no really,
there are no secrets anymore.
secrets have been let the cats out of the bag so to speak. And so I think this is you know
less people are straddling the fence and there's a lot of fence setters are just like you know
I'm not sure what's figured out I'm not sure what's right or wrong I think if you're willing to
investigate if you're willing to do the research and and you know look into these things you'll see
that you can find answers you know and the Bible to me is is the spiritual guidebook of the supernatural
it's the thing that has the foundation that we can build off of and instead of picking and choosing
of like the like the Bible talks about you know just going with the wind so to speak
that we can have a foundation that we build off of and each have a personal experience you know that
is unique to ourselves and a personal calling that is unique to ourselves. So, you know, I just
praise God that he's set up opportunities like this that, you know, to talk with people all around
the world and to other truth seekers and other people on different paths is just it's just a blessing
man. Yeah. The thing, the thing about it though, man, and this is what it, what it ends up in,
And I remember even saying this like if if you don't want to rock the boat quit reading the Bible
Because the more you read is finding out yourself finding out stuff at your church
There's not biblical, you know, you'll find out whether it's tithing or
You know in these weird doctrines and so we kind of get in this place where we don't want to lose Jesus and we're like
You know what I'm not discussing anything. I'm not discussing aliens. I'm not discussing the rapture
I'm not gonna argue with you. I'm not I just want to talk about Jesus and so just Jesus until
So they ask you your opinion of tithing, and then you say, well, I think I don't think
tithing is the way most churches do it, and now you're an enemy, now you're, you have
a belief system.
So the thing about it, that a lot of people who are searching the scriptures diligently,
they're finding stuff that's not like adding up, or they're questioning things, even
with just the Bible, like finding, not contradictory, contradiction versus, but versus
that contradict your tradition,
like our tradition teaches this,
but I read the scripture and I'm pretty clear on it now.
And now I can't believe these things
that my pastors telling me,
or I'm not 100% on it.
And I just be honest with you, man,
like a lot of people are abandoning the idea
of eternal torment and punishment.
And there's some questions here in the chat about it,
about eternal torment going to hell forever.
Like, why would God create something
just cause he knows that you're not gonna choose him
or whatever.
And there's a huge growing movement
of people who are abandoning the idea of,
let's just say even an eternal punishment
because there's different levels.
Some say maybe it's just for a time
or you got a past student
or you got to pay for what you did
and it's only for certain amount of years,
purgatory types of, I don't know.
I've never been there.
I never died and went to hell.
But I do know people who are in hell right now
like on the earth because of drug addiction
because of their spouse in their family left them.
You know, and they got back on drugs
because of that, I know people who are on hell in hell now.
So my heart is like what I can give them
because I can save you from that hell.
I know how to get you out of that one.
But for eternity, there's a lot more questions,
the more that we read and I'm like, okay,
well, that was just a analogy that Jesus was using
for the trash heap of gahina in these things.
And so could have been, is there a real hell?
I don't know, I think there's verses that really prove both
whatever you choose, like you can find,
and that's with anything,
that's with new age spirituality,
that's with racism in the Bible,
that's with owning a slave, like you'd name it,
whatever you want, you can find the back it up.
Flat Earth, like, come on.
So my thing is like,
I would never want to like condemn somebody
within with an absolute that, hey, you're going to hell.
And I know it because you, even if the, we're at a point now
where people are telling you that they're believers and like,
you would not be a believer if, and still be friends
with that question, you know, it's like, we're standing
with these absolutes on people that honestly, you know,
a man's heart, you don't really know. You know? And so that's
just where I am. But I will double down on the things I do
know. You know what I'm saying? I do know. And my story,
because it's real to me, this is tangible,
a relationship with Christ, that Jesus is who he says he is
and that God is not willing that any man should perish
but that all would come to the salvation grace
that he has provided through his Son
and to experience life and life more abundantly shoot,
experience spirituality and spirituality more abundantly
that if you go through this means
through the beauty of King Jesus
and who he is, that he is the head of all principalities
that all powers ascended masters, demons, angels, people,
governors, rulers, Trump, COVID, everything has to bow a need
to this prince, the king, Jesus, you know,
who is the head of all authority.
And if you don't have that revelation, you're missing out.
Cause any demon, anything that comes to you to torment you,
to lie to you, to deceive you, if you step into your authority,
like you said, in Jesus name, I rebuke it,
any night terror, any demons, like they gotta obey,
they have to obey.
And so there's nothing higher than that,
as far as an entity that you're trying to interact with.
And it really, it is a slap in the face
when we have access freely to the throne room of grace
through what Christ did, but we're rather
talk to channel another disembodied spirit
that has some kind of secret, pretty information.
We could go straight to Jesus,
cost you clean hands in a pure heart. You know what I'm saying? But so I think it is a slap in
a face that when we do try to go other means. There's different ways to connect. Will you say that,
you know, but that's my spiel. How would you respond? Yeah, no doubt, man. There's so many people
trying to connect to different ways and the idea of absolutes, I think, is a tough thing
within people's belief system nowadays. People want to have the idea of relativism that I can pick
and choose from these different beliefs and create my own reality. You know, and that's where,
you know, but like I said, God is creating reality for you and create your reality, your journey for
you and allowing these things to unfold for a purpose and a reason. But we just got to go
a strength to the source and realize there is apps, there are apps,
loops, you know, there is like a flat earth.
They end.
Yeah, there you go.
So there's a comment here.
It says these guys laughed about flat earth.
But for some people, that is an absolute.
It's a 100% fact.
There is no changing.
You can't talk me out of it.
Good friends of mine.
Me too.
And but I guess that that was alarming
because we laughed at something really close to somebody's heart.
They've studied hours.
they've watched hours and hours and hours of documentaries.
They've seen that there is no curve, right?
And so here we are kind of laughing and joking
about somebody's absolute, you know?
Yeah, yeah.
Well, this is what it is when we laugh about meditation
or the Holy Spirit or Jesus being the only way, you know?
That's where it comes down to is, you know,
it's kind of like what we've lost,
I think is the ability to make fun of ourselves
in a comedic way as a society.
That's the root of comedy is kind of parody of something
and so we need to be able to laugh at ourselves,
my gosh, and not take it so seriously
because if we lose that and we lose the idea
that we can speak comedy.
If we lose comedy within our society,
that society crumbles my opinion, but.
And I'm not laughing at people for believing
I'm just reading the comments here.
I'm not laughing at people for believing it
because at the same time, just like I spoke on the hell thing,
listen, flat earth could be real.
It totally could be, could be 100%.
I don't know, I don't know, but I, you know,
but we gotta be able to laugh at our own quirkiness
because a lot of this stuff is,
especially when you speak with an absolute,
you need to be, you know, least like that.
I mean, I like Star Wars, you know,
Yoda said, what is it?
Only a Sith believes in absolute, you know?
Yeah, there's a lot of that out there trying to tell you
that there are no absolutes, the idea of the yin and the yang and pluralism that we need to bring
it as one, there is no good, there is no evil, it's all oneness. This is an idea. To me, the ultimate
hell would be to be trapped on earth forever in your sins. That's what transhumanism, that's what,
to me, the demonic realm has always wanted to create in a way, is to make people think that you can
create heaven on earth or someone sets yourselves up to be a God on earth trapped in your sin.
And that's a God in a few deaths. Exactly. And if we look at the story of Adam and Eve,
there were two trees. There was a tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
The tree of life gave them eternal life. And once they ate of the tree of knowledge of good
and evil, the first thing God said is we got to get a matter here before they eat of the
the tree of life, because then they'll be forever trapped in this, you know, this
sin nature. So that's, you know, why you kicked him out of the garden in my opinion is
so they wouldn't then eat from the tree of life and then forever be tracked in
that sin nature, which was Satan's plan. You know, ever since then, he's tried to do
the same thing with technology. Well, there's the Tower of Babel, or whether it's
Hitler trying to create the uber man and perfect, you know, white race or
whatever or the hollow earth to bet and believe that there's this enlightened
masters within there. And all these things kind of point to the same thing,
that there's some sort of enlightened masters or higher entities or things
that have evolved through secret works, rituals and things outside of our
knowledge, outside of the simple understanding that Christ out, some of
that Christ is teaching and offering. It's got to be way out there through works
and through, you know, years of study and that's not true. Christ will accept you right now
where you're at without, and you don't have to change anything. He'll accept you as you are,
sin, if no matter if you're Satanist, whatever, you'll accept you right now and he'll change you
after the fact. That's, you know, the grace that comes with him is what I believe. So
people need to just be more open to, you know, open your hearts to Christ, give it a chance,
you know pray to God you know Jesus if you're real reveal yourself in a way that
makes sense to me personally speak to me I'm a person of love you know my desires
what I've been through speak to me in a way that will open my eyes and make you
really yeah yeah we got a comment here from we man Kyle says your song
Robofobia outlines that so well I guess the transhuman stuff yeah yeah I mean
Robophobia, you know, my whole last album, Shifter Paradigm, that I came out with October
2020, is all about transhumanism, the merging of men and men in the scene, the idea to create
a hive mind uploading our consciousness, you know, the quantum computers and all these things
that they're doing. They're tapping into interdimensional realms. They're interacting with
these entities and making these decisions based on the information they're gathering from these
entities. And the cult, just like in the 1800s, a cult in science is now merging. And it's
becoming one thing. So it's, it's definitely fascinating to watch these things kind of unfold and
how all these things become popularized in society through people like Joe Rogan who I listen,
love Joe Rogan list to him. I think he's a true seeker just for the fact he is willing to have
have so many different ideas on there.
But I just wish you would have somebody
open up a little bit more to have some perspectives
that he disagree with a little bit more.
He'll make fun of Christ and people who are Christians
and a heartbeat for sure.
He does, he does.
But I think if he just heard it, talk the right way,
had somebody that could present it,
but I think he shuts himself off from that.
I think Brian Cowling has tried to talk to him
and open up about the beauty and the things that are right
with confession and the Christian religion and things like that
that really can serve you and help you for a reason.
And Joe, we'll just make fun of him.
And you can't really believe in that.
And Aubrey Marcus will come on there
and talk about the desert religions and the Abrahamic,
you know, desert religions that are, you know.
Yeah.
I think he's become more open-minded, but yeah.
Yeah, man.
I mean, that's what that's part of it though.
Catholic. It's part of it. Like we're gonna, you know, have to deal with that. If anybody
has any questions, uh, for Oracle myself, go ahead and post them in the chat and I'll translate
them over and ask. Um, if anybody has any questions or anything, you want us to speak about,
let me know how much longer you got. No, we've done over an hour and 20 minutes, which to me,
this is flown by. Like it doesn't even feel like it at all. Yeah, no, no doubt, man. I'm
I'm open. I don't have anything to do. I work from home. So we're good.
Right. So let's see.
If I have any questions, go ahead and post it in the chat and I'll ask them. I'm reading some of these comments here.
Trucega, this is from Jonathan Trucega. He says, Trucega, I feel like the entity has attached to you. It's not
in you, but it's altering your perception, just do a spiritual cleansing and
pray it away from you and your family. Which, okay, thank you. I do that daily.
Somebody else lost Antichrist says, I love Destiny Lab, their music is dope,
Ezekiel's will is another, Ezekiel's will and the good person test all my
favorites. In fact, the good person test helped me understand why it's
important to keep the tin commandments and that's from lost and artist. I said
any president. But yeah, those are, you know, I say anti-Christ. I got these
contacts back in the day of trying to still get used to them.
And I was speaking of which, I don't know if anybody's ever looked, I've got a
video called Christian versus Satanist rap battle. And years and years ago, I
used to post my music in a place called sound click in this place called
garbage can. I always try to interact with people to disagree with me. That's always been my
thing. I don't know why, but I like to reach the last. So I would go into this place and this guy
who was a self-proclaimed Satanist rapper would just clown me every time I'd post some,
oh, you and your Christian said, what are you talking about? And then he came back at me and said,
you know, let's have a rap battle and figured this out. So he sent us beat to me and we went
back and forth and he ended up by the end of the song and you can look up and listen to
the song Christian vs. Spiritual Christian vs. Satan's rap battle on my desktop channel. He ended
up basically on his knees asking Christ for forgiveness through a song you know and it's
incredible. He ended up doing four songs together kind of about his journey and send him a bible
and you know just kept witnessing to him but it was incredible because this guy was hostile.
He was, you know, all about attacking me and that's where we don't know person's heart, man.
I mean, people are struggling and there's a lot of people crying out and kind of tempting God
or actually antagonizing, you know, okay, if you're real, then you'll do this or whatever.
They're asking questions and they're wanting proof. And, you know, I think sometimes, you know,
God puts things in our path and all we've got to do is just be willing to walk in the spirit
and let him do the work and he'll speak to somebody when people can, you know, and I don't think
it was my words, I think it was the Holy Spirit basically. Music's powerful dude, especially when
with the Holy Spirit, like music's powerful. I remember a guy, because I come from the Christian
hardcore scene playing like hardcore metal music, like under oath and Norma Jean and those kind
of bands in early on, and there was a kid who come to every show and they just loved the hardcore
dancing. They loved that genre and early on the the metal scene with that hardcore stylistically
they called it metal core had breakdowns and all that kind of stuff. Most of the big bands at the
time that came out were Christian bands and all of they go to the shows and play form of the
concerts and this kid was listening to all of it. He loved it and then one day he wasn't a Christian
but one day he calls me and he's like bro I just found out what these guys and they'll use
metaphors and stuff for the most part. Most of them weren't blatant. Turned from said. That was more
like for today, band of man. He said, man, I just figured out what all this stuff was talking about.
These people are singing about Christ, they're singing about God, man. I've been a part of it,
and he's like, man, I want to become a Christian. Just off of the revelation of what he had
been eating, feeding himself with this music that had birthed this longing to know and be a part
of what these guys were a part of and it was their their relationship with God. I thought that
was very interesting and music is powerful for sure. Yeah, yeah. We man here wants to know how you
became friends with the guys from Canary Cry Radio. Yeah, no, we go back with Gons and Basel,
you know, they I've always been a follower of their work, you know, back when Gons made
the age of deceit one and even before then,
they were making a lot of videos
and following other researchers like Chris White,
who's now kind of stepped out of a picture of that.
Yeah, he's the one that went in on George Maxwell's.
I played that recently, the George Maxwell called in
and he was just like, not having it.
That was wild.
I played that recently on our school session.
That's right, yeah, he called into that interview show
and they kind of had it out.
But yeah, I mean, there's a few different people
I worked with and Keith Truth, who made Aquarius,
Age of Evil, who kind of talks about Aquarius
and the Aquarian Age, and they go back into,
you know, the Theosophical Society, and Blavatsky,
and House Bailey, and how all these things are
and Annie, but Saunton, how they've kind of written
these things out as far as the plan,
as far as the occult is concerned
and how we're seeing this plan unfold right before our eyes
to this day.
But yeah, age of deceit, one, two, and three actually made music that are in age of deceit,
two, and three, and then he's working on part four as well.
So just, you know, we're a small kind of group of researchers who kind of do this from
a Christian perspective, and my goal is always trying to link people to these people, because
I'm a researcher, but I'm not, you know, some Bible specialists, and I do have a
my own podcast called Digging for the Truth with Arc and Neo
that I do with my brother.
But we just kind of talk about these things from our perspective.
But I always like to get people in touch
with the real authors and the researchers that go,
D, hey, I didn't know even you were an author man.
That's awesome.
So that's good.
But yeah, I was just trying to network off all those people.
I was into a PID radio early on.
Like when I first got into it.
Oh, yeah.
You know, my transition, I guess certain research
a lot of this stuff, I started having dreams.
And I was led to two websites.
First of all, I've seen the profit Yahweh video.
And I know you've been in this for a while,
but you remember who that is, profit Yahweh,
the guy who likes some of the UFO information
for the news or whatever.
I've seen that, and he was talking about how
he used to be a Hebrew version of the Bible.
And I've been to begin to have some weird dreams
about aliens.
And for me, there were demons before that.
scared of them, you know, but I seen that video and it lit something with them.
And then I found Bibleufo.com Patrick Cook and that paid that site was
amazing. Just all of these Bible references that could be talking about UFOs and
aliens and technology and all of this. And this was before ancient aliens came
out. He was actually interviewed on the ancient aliens a couple of times before
he passed away. Anyway, his that site is no longer exists, but I've tried to
to rebuild it at BibleUFO.net.
So I've tried to kind of carry on his work
because his wife sold the dot com
and just lost his life work,
thousands of pages, but led to that work.
And then when it comes to videos and stuff,
obviously there's the whole aliens are evil
and they're all demonic and they're looking to abduct you
and they are the fallen angels
and they're riding around in spaceships
and things like that.
And I got into that, that was my thing.
And it was through PID radio, you know, and Lynn Marzulli and, you know, all of those guys
at the time that it was just across the board, the Christian perspective is that they're
demons.
And it's so much like fear stuff.
And yeah, aliens have the same abilities as angels, but they're fallen angels.
They can walk through walls.
They can pull you out of your room and take you on a travel on their ship and you hear
all this stuff.
And it's like, wow, I'm intriguing.
So, but it, but I felt like it was biased.
I felt like across the board that like that's all you're going to get what about the angelic if all of this is real
Now what about the real angels are they interacting are they flying around watching over us today?
Are they here with us or we just forsaken all we got as the Holy Spirit and the new age and the occult get all the cool stuff
You know, and it's like that a lot of them wouldn't talk too much about it
And so that's when I personally started just broadening my Google searches and I would hear them name drop
certain people and I would start looking them up whether it was, you know, the CE-5
initiative and, you know, profit Yahweh, talking about that stuff and that's
when I kind of had a more of a broader view than just aliens or demons and
that kind of thing. Guy Malone, I mean, there were so many people that I was
just listening to hours and hours and hours but I felt like it was like just
one narrative or whatever. It was very close-minded and just showed you one
inside and and then see and how like again, I'm mentioning everybody mixing stuff together.
You know, you have a demon, let's say a real demon, let's just say a disembodied.
Let's just say, say a disembodied, let's say it's your uncle, your uncle that's passed
away, shows up in your room and and people said, well, there are no disembodied spirits.
That's a demon.
So even in that case, you're mixing two things up.
Was it really your uncle or was it a demon pretending to be your uncle?
Same thing with alien abductions or whatever or aliens in your room.
You wake up and there's a being at the end of your bed and you wake up and you say it's
an alien.
But now it was really a demon or it was really an elemental that was just passing through
and you happen to see it.
And now you, in the friends that you scare it, it scares you.
And now you write a book about how this alien tried to take you out of your room and we're
tying all of these things together.
We know there's really no such thing as just an angel in a demon
Like those are those are referent those are titles almost like Lucifer like an angel means a messenger
You know, it refers to people as as messengers, too
And we have different types of what you will call an angel. There's no angel. Hi. My name is the angel so and so
It's an I'm the messenger of Yahweh
You might be a seraphim you might be a cherubim you might be a watcher you might be one of the four living creatures
you might be a rough I heem, you might be a, you know, a malakim. There's so many types. So for
us to say aliens or angels or aliens or demons, you know, there's, it's trying to make it too, too
easy. And I think that aliens are aliens and demons or demons, you know, or whatever these type of
beings are. And I think a lot of people mix that stuff together. Yeah, I mean, you know, I've
I've kind of studied all those different perspectives.
And to me, it boils down to testing the spirits.
Once again, just like the Bible says,
first John 4.1, and then seeing what these entities claim,
what are their claims, and who are they giving praise
and glory to?
And I have yet, and I've lost watched hundreds and hundreds
of hours of channeled information, alien information.
I have yet to find anybody who's contacted an alien
or an interdimensional being that claims that Jesus Christ
is the Son of God and the way the truth and the light
and the only way to salvation.
I'm open to that because I know that there are real angels.
But I don't know that angels are going to interact
on a podcast or a channel that I mean, they can't,
God can work in any way he wants.
And for my understanding, biblically of every description
of an interaction of an angel and a human
has always been, they look like humans.
They just look like other people and you may not and you know, you may entertain angels on where, you know, they, I've never heard of.
And I'm open to the idea of aliens as well, if there are other living beings on other planets or dimensions, I mean, that is there could be.
You know, other creations that God created, I don't know, you know, you don't know that for sure.
And, but like I said, to me, it's about connecting the dots of what they're saying, how it agrees to what the Bible says, and then what they do when you, when you talk to them about who is Jesus, what is their answer, what is their, you know, intent and why are they, they're here.
And nine times, I mean, basically nine out of 10 experiences
turns out to an anti Christian message
or an idea that, like I said, twisting God's message
that you are the Christ consciousness.
Forget about Jesus, he was just trying,
he just did these things that he wants you to do himself.
He's just like another Buddha or another,
Krishna or whatever, they're all kind of the same avatars
just sent to try to teach us human kinds, the same thing.
I think Jesus, like you said, is the king above all those things.
He's the thing that all those other entities bow to.
There are other entities.
There are good and bad interdimensional beings.
But I think it always boils down to, and familiar spirits,
as well, that, and how these things are separated,
how God audience, the different levels of angels,
which angels that fell are at these different levels,
which ones are chained in the abyss still
for their unleashing.
And there's lots of questions that I don't know.
And I'm satisfied with saying that I don't know
because things are unfolding as we're seeing them unfold.
So I have a wait and see attitude,
kind of like with the pre-trib, post-trib type of thing.
I was raised to believe in a rapture type of event,
but the more I dig into the word,
the more I see it, it's kind of up for grabs.
You know, it's not really concrete.
So I'm kind of calling myself a wait and see
tripper now.
We've got to be open for anything.
You know, they could come at the end of the day.
They kind of act like if you don't,
and God's own controls.
They kind of act like if you don't believe what they believe
then you're not going.
Like if you don't believe that if you're not a preacher,
if you're a post-tribber,
you're not going to get to go with the pre-trib crowd.
Like, hold on.
Even if I'm post like, I still get to go.
No, no, you got to have a,
have to have a right belief on how this happens. And if you don't, you're going to miss it.
That's weird. But that's how they act, you know.
Yeah, I actually, a few of my early songs come from a pre-chip perspective and I kind of
talk about the rapture because that's what I was raised to believe. And the other reason I
leaned that direction is I saw a lot of channelers and people within the talking with aliens that
that were claiming that there would be a great cleansing
that had to take place.
And that our alien brothers were going to come
and remove the age of Pisces,
all those who believed in the fish got
or this Jesus entity because they are the ones holding
back the rest of humanity.
This is a big thing back in 2012.
Many authors were talking about this.
How Christians, Christianity and the belief in absolutes
where the belief in one Jesus or one thing that's above all things is the main thing that
holds back all of humanity for evolving. And if we could just get rid of these people
that we could all agree as one and then ascend into these light beads and that the age
of Aquarius is that's what this is. It's removing the Christian belief system, the Pisces
fish gun and bringing in the water bearer. And that's why I believe you saw these water
bucket challenge things. To me, this is a giant ritual to basically, that's the image of the
water bearer. If you look up, what is the image of the aquarium age? It's somebody dumping a bucket
of water. So I think there's a lot of things that we see that people participate in and they don't
really know what they're involved in, so to speak. But I'm open-minded to the things that I've
gone because I've been on before. So I have a way and see approaches far as some of these
things.
Yeah. You know, you have people calling it with all kind of weird stuff and I'm really weird
about channel channel information. You know, for me, who no matter who it is, I just try
to judge the fruit of it. Like what is what is the fruit? And like you said, the fruit
of a lot of that stuff is, you know, there is no Christ, you are the Christ. And, but
The weird thing of that, there's some truth to that.
You know what I'm saying?
As Christ lives in us.
Have you ever heard anybody claim that,
yeah, for sure as a Holy Spirit,
that's where it's, I think it's a thin line,
but have you ever heard anybody who's a Chandler claim
that Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation?
Um, it's hard to say, you know,
just to say with an absolute,
you know what I'm saying?
I should be able to say it, I guess,
but I know now you are.
I know now that Christians are getting into this
who are followers of Christ.
And they'll say, yeah, Jesus is the only way
and Jesus is the way of the truth and life
and they're getting into it now.
Now, not the people.
Go ahead.
Not the people I'm saying, the entities
that they talk to Jesus, they trap the community.
And it is that they talk with.
Have you ever heard of an entity, an alien,
or a spirit that somebody channels through them
that says that Jesus Christ is the only way
if you have salvation?
I look for it. I would say, you know, it's fine. It's something, you know, I knew that.
Me, I'm more, I'm more with my relationship with God and believe it, even in Christianity,
it's a lot more inclusive now. So I would say, for me, that word is interchangeable, just for me,
and I could be wrong. But for me, that when you say Jesus Christ to me, that's the word is love.
So, maybe it's beating around the bush, I don't know, but for me it's like when they say
love is the only way except radical forgiveness, forgiveness is the only way.
These are the things that Jesus was loved that became a person.
The scripture says God is love and his name isn't even Jesus, he's never heard that name.
So maybe there's some of that, it's Jesus the only way they're like, hey, no.
But when the message comes, again, I judge the fruit.
I don't care if it's a who it's telling you the truth because again, the
messages on the other side of Christian number teaching you bigotry,
they're teaching you racism, they're teaching you that the Holy Spirit is
done away with, like they're teaching all kind of weird demonic stuff.
It's straight demonic, demonic.
I know I used to study under the black Hebrew Israelites that teach you that the
blacks are the chosen people and we're going to bring the whites back in the
slavery and the scriptures that say as you lead into captivity,
You shall be led back into captivity as you oppressed these people and like that's what they believe
I think most of that teaching is demonic, but I've met I've met people in the Ku Klux Klan who teach
You know very similar to the Adolf Hitler stuff about white supremacy and the white people are the chosen people and the black people are this
Unevolved
demonic demonized people who will never even receive forgiveness because it's not for them and like there's weird stuff
demonic stuff that churches are teaching and they are birthed out of and stuff. So with the fruit of it,
you know, his name isn't Jesus. I don't think he's heard that name. We call him Jesus and
it symbolizes something when we say it. If you don't believe in that name, like a lot of times when
you call upon that name, nothing happens. But when I, when I, like when I say it and when many
other people say it, like that's their savior, he pulled them out of a life of addiction, a life
of adultery they were headed down a broken path and then so that name has a different bearing
when they say it and they have the intention behind it. So when someone says that I don't know about
like you know there's a lot of weird stuff you get in channel but I can agree with the ones who
would say something like love is the only way acceptance forgiveness because those are the very things
that Jesus taught and if the church folks ain't saying it God's going to have somebody say it whether
whether it's channeled Palladians or Starships or whoever we think it is, but we got
to be careful.
I don't think any of these people have all of it figured out, just like you said, because
they're going to hit you with that, then they're going to hit you with drinking Kool-Aid
to kill yourself and jump on the weird stuff that these churches always will not charge
us, but people do because we're fallen, man.
And that's why we got to, we can't be worshiping people or entities or anything.
worship the Creator and not the creation. So everybody is a messenger. It just depends on what
your message is. And so I can rock and listen with those people who have a beautiful enlightening
message about how to better yourself and how we better each other, how we love each other.
Because, you know, we've been around churches and stuff that preach that, but we've also also been
around churches that preach separatism that still want to kill witches, man. And they still want to
you know, going witch hunts and they still want to do a lot of things that, um, you know,
what, whether they're done away with or just don't make sense anymore, I think, but that's
why I take it. So when we say, you know, it's just the only way that when they say love is the
only way forgiveness is the only way that you're going to ascend to the next level. Yes, forgiveness,
why Jesus taught, he is forgiveness. Like there is no forgiveness outside of who he is and
and represents.
And so he's the model, he carried all of that,
he taught it.
So, I mean, what would you say to that?
Yeah, yeah, no doubt.
I think, I think, you know, to me it's about recognizing
that we are sinners as well.
You know, that's a really hard subject
for some people is recognizing that we all fall in short.
That's kind of what like the good person test
talks about my song.
It talks about, you know, that yeah,
comparison of you, other people, you may be a great person, but you're still not earning
your way through works to Godhood. You know, it's through Christ that we're saved us through
His shedding of blood is through His sacrifice. It's no different than, you know, you could have
a bunch of speeding tickets and somebody can come in there and pay you're fine. And you're
in set free and you didn't do anything. That's what Christ does. He comes in and he pays our
fine. So it's not about our works, our journey. We've got to accept you right as you are. Christ
to accept you right as you are.
And I think that's kind of the twist
is the people want to believe they have to do something.
They want to have to accomplish something.
Well, I think search for secret knowledge
and then discover it, you know?
I think the difference from where I am now
is from just two words you just say it is that,
and I think it changes the idea of the gospel formula
a little bit versus like,
I guess I believe in universal reconciliation through Christ,
where you say God will forgive you.
I think for me, I have this view of the gospel of change that God already forgives you.
You just don't know it.
Like you've already been pardoned, you just don't know it.
Dude, they released you six weeks ago.
Why are you still here?
Dude, nobody told me.
Are you kidding me?
Happiest day of my life.
I'm free.
Yeah, man, he paid.
It's not like he will forgive you or he will pay your sin debt.
Like listen, he's already done it.
You just don't know it.
So that's why we have the priest.
So that's changed.
He's been paid.
That changed the way I view things a lot.
And it was like University University who I kind of heard share it that way, like the
gospel already happened.
You're not changing his mind.
Like he defeated sin, death, hell, and the grave, it's over whether you receive it or
not.
That's on you.
You can sit in prison all you want, even if you know it, you're lying.
There's people who have been let out of prison, but they've been in there their whole
life.
I ain't got nobody.
I don't have no friend.
My family's dead.
I don't have nowhere to go.
I'm chilling, I don't want to go.
If you let me go, I'm going to go rob this bank,
fucking come right back, because I have nothing.
And they just stay in prison.
Yeah.
It's my life, so.
Yeah.
But they're free.
I'm going to die.
No, I mean, I think at some point,
I think we've got to acknowledge, I think you have
to acknowledge, Christ in a way.
I mean, that's what I come from is that you've
got to take the step to do it.
Christ did, he's paid the price.
It's there, it's free.
it's waiting that you've got to take the step to accept Christ into your heart, allow
him and say, yes, I'm not going to resist this. I want Christ in my life. And it doesn't
really become real for you, unless you do it like that, right? Like unless you really kind
of come to this realization, yes, I'm going to say yes to everything that God has for
me and the work that he paid, because even, you know, there's a lot of people touting
against the sinner's prayer like it's an unbiblical prayer and you don't have to ask Christ
into your heart that's not even in the Bible but we know it works like when you kind of come to
this have this realization and you're asking Christ to come into your life to forgive you like
it works or whatever so um definitely there is this realization that I think you have to come to
of asking or come into the end of yourself ask him into your heart yeah I mean life it's like not
not only does it work, but it's like there's also, to me, it's like the enemy is trying
to make versions of this that are false. He's trying to make the same type of hope and
same type of thing as long. We have this longing to be forgiven, like you said, reconnect
with a higher power of some sort that made us or gives us knowledge or tells us why we're
And I think the enemy has lots of costumes, lots of disguises and it's within the church and nobody's got it figured out.
Like I said, with even the best church you go out there, there's going to people in that church that are deceived and one way or another about something that they believe or something that they've refused to look into, investigate and sort of shut themselves out from even talking to certain people or whatever.
there's a lot of kind of shutting oneself off. And I've seen in the church like people that
become Christians are like, I only interact with Christians now. You know, it's like, no, we're supposed
to be like Christ out there amongst the sinners, you know, that's our calling. And so I just think,
you know, that's really what we need to get back to as just if you are, believe it should be
your story. You should be, you know, walking that path every day and being a representative
of, of, of, of that of what you have believed and what you have experienced.
Try, man. Both sides are real, you know, light and the darkness and that's why the scripture says,
choose this day who you'll serve. And, and also it says that you worship, you know, not what,
You know because people are doing things in a part of things that that are you know
They don't even know where it's from and it goes down a long
Journey of separating yourself listen. I quit doing Easter pay pagan holidays and Christmas and
Get in Christmas. We did that for nine years eating kosher pretty much became a messianic Jew and I'm trying to
You know separate myself to do the things that I saw Christ doing, but it was you know different
you know to separate yourself and it wasn't the way you know and I did it for
nine years and I felt like I was closer to God because in my head I did but I
wasn't really there's nothing really changed except I quit doing a
holidays and eating pork you know but everybody's on their own journey. That's
all part of the journey man yeah yeah exactly that's all part of it is you know
none of us got figured out we're trying which we're listening I feel like it's
like God's up here who wants us a perfect will. We're and then there's sat down here who tries to,
you know, speak to our sin nature or what we want sometimes. And then last caught in the middle,
you know, we're trying to figure out deciphering what's God's will for our lives? What do I want
to do? And what does Satan tempting me or tricking me into doing? You know, and I think, I think
the enemies had thousands and thousands of years to really create disguises that are so convincing
that, you know, the politics about if these days weren't cut short in the end that even the elect would be deceived, you know, even the people most knowledgeable would also be deceived, that's how convincing some of these deceptions will be.
And so I think we just got to, I think there is some simple truths we can count and those simple truths, the simple foundations, what is what we know to be true.
And that's what we can grasp onto everything else, man.
We've got to be willing to kind of balance that out
with what we know to be true.
And it's a journey and it's a struggle
and none of us know.
So it's, but we can know, I think,
that you can't experience that Christ is real.
And so you just got to want to ask him in your art
and I think he will show himself.
sure for sure. What do you go from here, man? Music, why is dropping the album? Did I know you
guys were on the verge of something new, right? Did you drop it already? Yeah, we just dropped,
we dropped now in October. So that was our fifth album. So yeah, we have over 100 songs now
available at our website, destinylab.com. And you can get all, if you say that you heard me on
I'm a true seeker and you buy all four CDs.
I'll throw in the fifth download compilation.
It's a compilation of 30 plus songs of remixes
and collaborations with other artists
over the last 20 years or so, but I've done so.
And then also free sticker all throwing as well.
So go to decilab.com and check that out.
And then I also have, like I said, a podcast.
I do with my brother called Digging for the Truth
with Arc and Neo that we do once every week or two.
And I've got several interviews coming up
where there's something going to be on the 10th full podcast.
And I was Sam, Sam Tripoli,
and then on with Tony Merkel's podcast.
So looking forward to that.
And yeah, God's opened a lot of doorways, man.
I really appreciate the invite here
because I just feel like it's on God's timing.
It's crazy that over the last year to how many doorways
he's opened up and how many people are now researching
all these different things I've been talking about.
There's a long way ahead, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, all in God's time.
And so, you know, I'm turning 50 years old this time,
this year.
Wow, really.
I'm pretty old for doing this, but, you know,
I'm sticking to it and we're going to continue
to make music, work on our 6th album now.
So, praise God.
That's what's up, man, that's what's up.
Man, you got to bring back some puppets, man,
with the horror genre, we've gotten too far away
Well, I still, that's what I do full time.
I just sculpted this mask for distortions unlimited.
So I still do aliens, creatures, mask design.
That's what I do for living full time is.
I didn't even know that, that's amazing.
Yeah, build statues.
Working on a, this is a Frisetta, Conan statue, building.
So that's what I do full time is build statues, paint statues
and do custom sculptures for collectors.
That's awesome dude. I'm a big fan of the 80s and 90s puppet
Move any of them. You know what I'm saying? And I'm a part of a group on on Facebook called a rubber little monsters
And they just like show you these clips and movie scenes from 80s and 90s of this
You know people creating the animatronics and stuff like that
And we definitely have gotten away from that move to the CGI, which is not convincing at all
Interesting thing though. I think a lot of the kids now would watch some of the old stuff and say that's not that's not convincing
you know. Yeah, I mean, it's all about kind of what you have to compare it to, you know,
when you see all this, you know, fancy stuff and then you look at the stuff we, you know,
people have in the 80s or whatever you have. We had nothing to compare it to you back then,
you know. And when we saw these things, it was brand new and so real. So yeah, I definitely
love the puppets. Bring back the puppets. Yeah. Uh-oh. Wife bought me the, uh,
I tell some of the dark side box set a couple years ago for Christmas and stuff, and I just
moved those that old, you know, George Romero and the zombie stuff, and even walking
dads done a lot of cool stuff too, though, they've kind of combined a lot of CGI with
the animatronics and the puppets and make up stuff like that, which has been really
cool.
Greg and the Guiterro, and then what is it?
The fright shut with the fright one called, they just came out, creature.
Right night, right club. No, it's the one who Greg Nicketero. It just came back on
Right, what's it called
Anyway, Greg Nicketero brought back a series that was a from a movie which is pretty cool. They're
Adding puppets and all that kind of stuff too, so I love it. I love it 100%. Yeah, yeah
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, this is a quite an experience living
I only lived there for like two years, but I had like two cars stolen and my apartment broken into
I spent a thousand dollars a month for a
You know, just a studio apartment, and it's just like I felt like and then I just felt like I could go somewhere else
I went up to Portland and made start my own mask company
and started selling trinkets and masks and puppets and all kinds of things I made at the Saturday fair or the Saturday market
They're important when people are aware that's kind of a famous marketplace and downtown Portland
did that for several years and then got in the cell phone business for like 15
years and then I got out of that and had a antique store for a few years I sold
and then I got back into doing the the art full-time so that's what I was
talking. It was a creep show is what I was thinking of, a creep show. Okay yeah yeah
that was a good one too. Enjoy this talk bro let's let me know if we do
something in the future, man, whether it's music or a small podcast, I've enjoyed talking
about this stuff and it's cool to have whether it's different points of view or different
experiences and it doesn't make someone else's experience invalid, you know what I'm
saying?
But it is about just exploring and being open to other beliefs and this podcast remains
just like what's working for you, like what's helping you to get through these times, right?
And obviously we know what it is for you.
You know, you're relationship with Christ and how everybody can get some help getting
through it.
And over 400 episodes, man, everybody has a piece of the puzzle, you know, like you said,
those who claim to have it all be exclusive, like I try to stay away from a lot of them,
at least they're exclusive.
Like you've done my Jesus as exclusive, that's enough to talk, but like your version of
Jesus is exclusive or your modality or methodology to tap into that is
you know you get into other things so but hey appreciate this talk man it's
been really good and hopefully people to go check out your work for my fans if
you haven't heard of Destiny lab we definitely have an overlap of audience of
for years people send me your work or you know tell me you know that they
listen to both of us and stuff so you know send my my people over there to go
check out your music and hopefully you guys find something he covers a lot of
subject matters and stuff. So make sure y'all go check it out. Go to the YouTube, check out the
podcasts, all that stuff. All right, thanks for coming on, man. Really enjoyed it, bro. We
have to do it again. Absolutely, bro. Thank you so much. God bless you, man.
All right, brother. So many blessings.
Art from Destiny lab, ladies and gentlemen. Make sure y'all check them out. Good stuff. Good stuff.
Hope y'all enjoyed it. And people have been waiting for a long time for this talk to happen,
and we just did it. This made it happen. So, jumping back here in the comments, what up everybody?
Thank y'all for hanging out. Let's see if there's any more comments. I noticed something
Terry was asking about hell, right? The fear of hell, right? And wanting to know about
eternal torment. And we mentioned it a while ago. And again, I don't think anybody's an expert.
I don't think anybody's died and went to hell and came back, you know, and trying to figure out what
what it means, but I would say there's a group on Facebook,
if you're on Facebook called rethinking hell, rethinking hell.
And so it is pretty interesting,
and they just reexamine the idea of eternal torment
or eternal punishment forever.
There's many different, I guess, schools of thought
in that of like maybe it was, it's only for a season.
It's a fire to refine you to get things out of you
off of you or whatever that you go through. Definitely what God's fire is. And some people say
it did exist, it doesn't exist anymore. Jesus defeated it. But there's more Christian views when it
comes to eternal torment as it's... I feel like it's beginning to evolve just because the church
narrative has been questioned, you know, whether it's the internet or free thought now. But
But they're pointing to a lot of people, the early church fathers, and there's a lot
of interesting quotes where they didn't believe in the eternal torment either.
You know, and that Christ died for all, and I'm definitely of that opinion these days.
So check out that group, rethinking hell.
I did a podcast on it with one of the member, the pastor, who's a part of that group.
So if you want to check that out, just go through the archives and type in rethinking
hell on my website, truthsega.com.
And make sure you check it out, who Terry says, nice Sam is the G talking about the Sam
Chipotle, I think his name is, it's interesting because I was watching their interview
with Santos Bonacci, it was funny because they were Googling Jordan Maxwell because somebody
didn't know who Jordan Maxwell was and the thing that came up on the screen as they Googled
it was my two interviews with Jordan Maxwell, I thought that was cool, but yeah, and
someone says Dante's Inferno for sure. Yeah, like a lot of people think that our
Christian concept of hell comes from Dante's Inferno. So check it out check it
out. With that, man, I must say peace in Shalom. I enjoyed this talk really
good discussion. And I hope you guys stick around. Hope you subscribe to the
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