The Sacred Hum | Christian Spirituality, Meditation & Vibration | Fred Lynch | TruthSeekah Podcast

The Sacred Hum | Christian Spirituality, Meditation & Vibration | Fred Lynch | TruthSeekah Podcast
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back to the true secret podcast how's it
going sir
what's up truth seeker what's up man
good to see you again as always bro
uh love uh just tracking you man hope
you don't mind
uh but i'm i'm checking you out every
kind of chance i get i enjoy what you
share and what you're bringing out here
and i think it's so needed bro yeah man
um
we first did a talk two years ago maybe
and it seemed like
you were like uh just stepping into this
journey
from you know being a christian minister
and evangelist
and sharing and things like that on that
platform but being called
more to the spiritual path spiritual
tradition the kind of
more a more broad lens uh you know
painting
life with a you know broader stroke and
uh so
that was a beautiful conversation that
we had the first time and
we've been building ever since man yeah
we have been building
and and you know it's interesting and i
think everybody probably can relate to
this that you
look back over your life like look at
think about the story of the emmaus road
you know the story once
jesus was resurrected the resurrected
christ right and he's walking with these
three
these several guys and and and they
don't know they know him but they don't
know him
and and it's like the whole time he's
talking with them and they're engaging
and then all of a sudden when he's doing
one of the most common things that they
do everything
they they're eating but the way he did
the common
was so uncommon like the way
that he did the common thing of just
eating they were like wait a minute
no one does common things
like that but as soon as they turn it's
like that's jesus
he disappeared and and the great i mean
some great stories you get from that
one thing is i think we're all called to
the common every day of life to but
bring true like awareness to everyday
life to where we do the common
completely uncommon right but but but
then they ask this great burning
question
what did not our hearts burn within us
while he was with us the whole time he
was there and we were talking
we were tripping and we were joking you
know we was
firing shots joke shots at him and
whatnot he was firing them back
and the whole time we didn't know that
that was yahweh that was
that was the living christ in the flesh
and uh i think we all have that story
it's like we look back over our lives
and think
wow you know all of this time something
that's been leading me
and i gotta say that two years ago
god used you you were a super important
catalyst in my life uh where i've been
on this trajectory and
kind of interested in mystical ideas and
concepts and all of this and
i can go back as far as people that led
me to christ i i always make the joke
that my mother
uh was was a black hippie she was a
total hippie raised in the 60s and
she was into all types of stuff and just
just out there and her family didn't get
her but she was on a spiritual path
right
and so i kind of inherited that and an
important catalyst
was those two years ago man uh when i
ran into what you were doing
it was just like family i was like oh
that's my dude it's like just
remembering what your right hand felt
like
or your left hand it's like oh this
thing works that's my boy
yeah and uh so it's been good ever since
man
yeah yeah man for sure for sure and i
appreciate where you're at and sticking
with it you know
and i talk about this all the time like
you never know like people get into this
and they get scared and then they gotta
run back to the faith and there's just
so much like weird stuff that goes on
like mentally
well i call it the pendulum effect like
i'm in it man i'm i'm seeing visions man
i'm being visited by angels i'm doing
breath work and then it's like oh i
gotta run back
to church or whatever and and you never
know how long people are gonna be
in it man you know what i'm saying and
be open and and things like that so
you've been here man and you've just
been kind of growing and going deeper
and i think that
that you get it i think that it's not
separate from who you are or your faith
or what you bring to the table it's all
the same thing and once you get
that then there is this
um freedom to explore the mystic side of
our faith which is
probably ninety percent of our faith you
know ninety percent of it
i mean it's like dark matter i mean they
say that dark matter
is ninety percent the matter that we
know
that's the matter that we know that we
talk about and the only reason they call
it dark matter
is because they don't understand it
but it's all around us and yeah this
thing is all around us man so
yeah to act like we we own it or
we've got it all figured out we got
pieces of it man and it may be a really
good piece
that we bring to the table but to act
like we have exclusivity
we've lost it you know and so the beauty
in that and seeing a lot of people
opening up to that
um is amazing and so you know i
appreciate your journey too man where
you're at and
your your progress and you know humility
it's been a it's been a fun ride man
it's been a fun ride
and uh you know there's there's an old
saying that says you know take god
seriously don't take yourself seriously
uh you know being able to look at
yourself and laugh at yourself
and realize you know it's it is a two
steps forward three steps back sometimes
it's a cha cha-cha-cha man it's a dance
you know
you get ahead and then you look at some
things that you realize
oh i was really tripping off of that and
let me pull
back you know and and then let me move
forward ahead
some people think that this walk with
god is this straight trajectory on
up but in reality i think it grows like
a vine
where it's just it's just here and there
but but there's growth
all along and before you know it there
is this upward phase and then
there may be this sideways but the whole
time it's this vine that's growing and
growing and growing
and uh that's what i want to be a part
of i want to be connected to the vine
now um you know since you've you know
become more
more more mystical oriented more open i
guess
i would say um has the scriptures opened
up to you even more
now that you kind of see it in a in a
more mystical light and
and yes yes so much i mean think of
proper proverbs proverbs said this about
wisdom
wisdom being personified said that if
you keep your commands the father's
commands if you
if you hold on to your mother's teaching
then those
teachings will person will personify and
it says
they'll speak to you in the morning okay
like what you just said a minute ago is
that 90
of this is mystical it is but we have a
convenient way of just kind of talking
it down
and talking it into it trying to fit
into our everyday life
or making it too mystical where it
doesn't fit our everyday life
yeah that's the other extreme yeah where
it's so
you know jesus told me to get strawberry
jelly instead of
grape jelly this morning and so you know
i didn't have any strawberry jelly so
all is lost i mean it's like come on man
you know so fine
finding that balance and i think
proverbs and ecclesiastes talked about
that he's like
yeah yeah and and when i first read this
as a teenager
i i tripped out because it said you know
don't try to be too
too ratchet but at the same time don't
try to be too
holy you could find that in ecclesiastes
and when i found that i was like what
hold up hold up i thought
i got to be as hard go hard as i can
and being you know all out holiness and
this is the thing
there have been times in my life where i
have i've gone
straight out and and i found myself
unbalanced like
elijah if you remember the elijah's
story where
he got depressed because he was like i'm
the only one that's on fire for god that
loves god nobody else loves god
and god was like fool i got 5 000
that haven't bowed their knee to bail
they don't even care about bill they
trying to hear bill
and they're not intimidated the problem
is you don't
know them you can't see them yeah you
can't see them
but i see them yeah you got to remind
yourself that and like you said i mean
that's a veil that we passed through
you know i've been there and and many
people have been there it leads to this
uh realm of militant you know being a
militant christian or having to
like you know what what comes after that
like you know
they're being short with people having
the truth
and um you know a lot a lot of stuff but
it's a veil you pass through man and
it's
when you make it if you make it out the
other end you know not everybody does
but when you do i feel like you're more
grounded
you're more considerate you're more open
to hear other people's perspectives and
stories and those kind of things and you
genuine genuinely care yeah i noticed
when i was in that place
and i was like when i was in high school
okay i gave my life to the lord
at in the ninth grade so and i was
coming from california raised half my
life in south california san francisco
at that time
so i came from you know grade school
middle school california so i was this
california kid i come to texas
back to texas and i'm in texas
and trying to figure life out and i'm
this kid that
now i have this california accent i'm in
the deep
you know down in texas and everybody's
making fun of the way i talk and who i
am and and and all of that and i felt
like i did not fit in again right
and so now being this misfit
uh i give my life to christ and i get on
fire for god
i was that kid that carried the family
bible to
high school like i got i got so
fired upon folks cap bus caps on me
every day
because i was i had a deep conviction
that every day i must witness to
somebody witness witness witness
i would go out in the streets and just
see mere strangers and begin preaching
the gospel talking to him i was on fire
but this is the one thing that i had to
really recognize
is that in quiet moments i was
very lonely i was lonely
and i kept looking at like why am i so
lonely i mean
i have jesus and i have that peace and
and it's
crazy you can get into a there's an old
gospel song
it's called as long as i got king jesus
i don't need nobody else
and that sounds good but honestly i
don't think it's theologically sound
because the truth is as long as you got
king jesus
he's going to implement you he's going
to
use you to throw you into connections
with others
because as long as you got king jesus he
wants you to connect with everybody else
man i'll tell you what but you get into
this i don't need nobody
and you get lonely and and that
loneliness is a terrible it's an ugly
place
yeah it's uh it's being able to connect
with that inner light and you and
i mean there's times for that because
you know that this walk at times gets
lonely
you know um let's say um
but it's it doesn't last you know there
are times
i speak about that a lot of my music
about these times of of separation to be
taught of the lord or like mo just going
up the mountain by himself right there
is this
place of quiet place or being taught and
learning and shutting everything down so
there's definitely
uh you know those seasons that come but
but to think that that's where we stay
at when nobody understands us
and we're the only ones and and those
kind of things like people
people stay there you know and it's a
weird place it really is and so but
we're not
we're definitely not called to stay
there or be on this weird
pedestal and high horse if you will to
think that we're the only ones
um you know going through it right yeah
that
that that place is it's intoxicating if
we think about it i mean it's just i
mean you
think about this image this idea of you
know i
we are the only ones i am the only one
and if you get if you if you
if you don't pay attention to the the
social cues
if you don't pay attention to your soul
recognizing your own loneliness
and that i think is part of spirit
calling you
back into connection with others yeah if
you deny that and just go off
yeah you you get away from it but but
after a while
what starts happening you start losing
your people skills you start
learning now how not to connect with
others and only if
someone could connect on your level and
see things the way
you see them and and all of that and
that's
cute at first it's attractive at first
but it gets old after a while and um
i know my my uh my great uncle so my
mother's uncle
led me to christ and discipled me uh and
he was like
king james only dude right so i mean i
memorized 80
of scripture in king james he discipled
me face to face
i mean just going in i was the kid like
i said carrying a family bible to school
so our bible studies was like tuesdays
thursdays and saturdays
two hours of bible study in the
scripture we were in it right
and we loved it but i'll tell you this
one thing that i knew about my uncle was
that
he was a man of god loved the word loved
the lord
but socially if i can honestly look back
he socially didn't get along with people
and and much of
his the way he came across was very
dogmatic like
the lord is the best if you can't get
with the lord you can't get with me you
know and that whole thing
and it was weird and where i tell you
where it turned and it got weird
like i had started noticing a pattern
that
every time i got with my uncle there's
three things that we were going to
always talk about
because it was a pattern we're going to
talk about jesus
we're going to talk about white people
and we're going to talk about
homosexuals
and just to give you a hint jesus was
the only one that got a good rap
in that conversation and walking away
from it once again
saying feeling my own soul after a while
that pattern got old
it didn't it didn't feel good it didn't
taste good
i i maybe growing up outside of the
south
i knew white people that weren't all
quote unquote
white folks you know that acted like
this act like
growing up in a a diverse city like
california san francisco
i know people who chose alternative
lifestyles
who aren't evil people and so
i i had that place where i had to say
you know
that's just my uncle i don't know if
that's
jesus that's just him i know right it's
okay for that's just to be him but
but i had to personally say i got to
grow out of that i could
i i can treat all people a lot better
the way they deserve to be treated
yeah and then it gets to this weird
place of you know evolving from that and
then we have to go down this road to
too deep but you know it's like people
have those conversations yeah i got gay
friends i like gay people but they still
the idea that those gay people are gonna
die and go to hell what's the hell wide
open you know what i'm saying so
so so you have to look at them like a in
a condescending way
you know and not as an equal you know
what i'm saying and so i i have friends
who are still there
um maybe you know i was probably there
several years ago
and um but uh you know i got friends who
are still there and
and we're not really we're not tight
anymore because of that i
get it i mean they're on that they're on
abortion they're on all of this and they
want me to
proclaim it from my podcast and i'm like
not no but hell no you do it look at
your own podcast and proclaim it from
that
platform you know it's like i feel you
okay
i i i still call myself a pr i am a
preacher it's who i am it's what i
you know started back in the day the
mind the name of my rap group was
preachers in disguise
i was preaching and rap rapping and
preaching disguise i will probably
always be a preacher yeah so i got
preacher friends
who expect me the same way to to preach
against homosexuality i never heard
y'all say jesus one time in that
conversation yes
and all of that and and and uh
it's it's refreshing to me to be able to
come out of that and see
life from wider perspectives yeah
uh and it's always a challenge to go
back
into the inner circle
where it's that baseball talk
of theology you know it's like we we're
trading baseball cards we're talking
about these little
theological concepts that is just so
don't matter yeah that is like
why are we doing this you know and so i
i i'm notorious of throwing just like
you did
you said right there throwing a hell
doll in there or something just
to throw it off because yeah that's
there's a bigger world there's a yeah
and god loves the
entire cosmos yes he's
he's not regular regulated to one
baseball team
well you were uh you know talking about
how these we we get in this play i say
these people but we've we're talking
about ourselves you know a version of
ourselves that existed
and maybe still there somewhere where
like you know we we feel like we're the
only ones
and and all that kind of stuff and i
feel like that i mentioned it last night
but i feel like that's birthed
out of narcissism and
what we call the messiah complex yeah
like
i have the revelation i'm gonna save my
friends i'm gonna save
everyone and then you find out you can't
save any of them and none of them will
listen
and they all think you're crazy you know
and so and then now what
you know there's that you know i
remember those bible tracks now what now
that you're a christian
do you remember those now what yes i
remember them those are so cool
hack tracks what you talking about i
have my six
top ten tracks you remember the chick
tracks
you better they look like the little
cartoons yeah do you know about the
scary ones with demons
yes i used to rock those joints man you
could but
you can buy you can get them for free i
think on the website we
they just give them to you they're scary
dude like around here somewhere around
here i got one of the tracks that
talk about how cheesy bro i had one that
was a
fake twenty dollar bill oh yeah that's
that's what
that's where church was messed up for
real when they started doing that
leaving it as a team
a person that was serving me or
something like that you know a diner or
something like that or a restaurant
and and i walked away thinking oh
i just gave them the greatest gift
and it wasn't until i got into bible
school i went to bible school at 16
years old and
i got into bible school and my roommate
actually
worked as a server you know as someone
that worked tables and he said
my worst people to get are christians
yeah i remember hearing that
yeah the worst tippers first tipper
argumentative demanding yeah
yeah yeah and i just realized okay we
got to do better when we when you know
better
i've been doing i've been making sure
that i do better um
with that for sure um tipping and um
really generous tipping uh todd white
talks about even when he goes out he
does a lot of
eating out but he says that um he won't
go out to eat unless he can at least
double his tip and give double and uh
and so he says he he but he he
reiterates that you know
christians are the worst um people to
serve when you're going out to eat
because
because of all those things yeah yeah
well i think that some so much of what
we
we are we love the whole spiritual side
of things
and we forget the importance
of the everyday the importance of the
common
that we we leave it out and this is to
me was the beauty
of the story that we get of jesus john
who was to my opinion a hippie of the
first century
uh he saw such deep revelation in the
way
he described jesus he said he was this
perfect balance of grace and truth
he just what he held both sides
perfectly to where yeah he could he
could preach
and heal a multitude of people and then
go to a wedding and dance
and get some wine and didn't have a
problem with
either one to everybody else it seemed
contradictory but he was
he was good with himself yeah and that's
what we have to learn is
how to be gentle and how to be good with
ourselves yeah
that's huge man um
well i want to um talk about your new
project man so you started out as a
gospel rapper in the early days
yeah christian rap in the early days of
christian rap and then uh
and now you're coming back with a
meditation album that you're working on
now and trying to raise
some funds for to help complete that
thing you want to talk a little bit
about that
sure sure i'd love to uh what the
project is called is the sacred hum
uh and the idea behind it of course is
that uh i said it like this we all
hum we all hum we all have
and humming is not just making a sound
but it really is finding your voice
and the one thing that the designation
that makes humans distinct uh
is our ability to communicate through
our vocals and in the so the idea of the
hum
is that there's this divine spark that
as we hum i mean you hum and and they
actually say that because of the
cavities and the way that your skull
is crea is is made and your ear lobes
that that like it's almost like a
speaker system your whole
head and so when you hum there is a
distinct
frequency that only you make that
nothing else
in creation makes your specific
hum and when you look at that and then
realize that there is a part of all of
us that's sacred and put both of those
together
the idea i wanna i wanna do this i wanna
take
uh the beautiful uh idea of of uh
sacred ideas and concepts and and i call
it the science of religion
meditation chanting uh singing
all of those are things that you do that
that really take you it like trans state
they
translate you and teach you into a
deeper higher state
and when you so when you do those and
point them upward
and when you point them vertically uh as
well as horizontally
you discover the sacred and so i want to
take
hip-hop and meditation and allow those
two to blend together and meet
and dance and uh so it's been it's been
beautiful man to uh do it
uh it's been a good long time coming i
decided that before i
did it i wanted to practice it and so i
practiced for
probably three years of of meditation
and sticking new meditation which
mind you uh for for probably 10 years i
have preached about the importance of
solitude
meditation and all of that and i was
doing a sermon series i'll never forget
it
because i you know you know you know how
we do we hood i'm a hood preacher
so so i would always have these
different sermons
so i did a sermon called the five
fingers of death
which of course you you karate fans know
that that is a
cult karate movie five fingers of death
and my five fingers you know things like
distraction busyness blah blah blah blah
and so i said the the antidote to one of
the just
of the five fingers of death one of the
five poisons
was meditation and so as i'm preaching
on this one sunday morning
i felt that the holy spirit just snapped
and
slept he upside my head you know with
love
but he hit me up and he kicked me in my
ass okay and said
you're talking about this but why aren't
you practicing it because you're only
talking about it yeah
and so i committed to start doing it it
took me probably about six to seven
months to
to get you know to doing it 10 minutes a
day
and then i'm moved from 10 minutes to 20
minutes 20 minutes to 30 minutes to
you know and so so it's been a good
three
four four five years but it was about
three
four years ago it was right about the
time that i ran into you
that i said okay i'm committing 30
minutes every day
and so here's the beauty of all of this
it's like
as you enter into that place just like
all spiritual journeys
things just start blooming and opening
up and uh
and it came all the way to this that i
get a chance to
marry these two uh things that i love
meditation and hip-hop
and uh that's the sacred hump what what
are some of the benefits
uh for you know i'm saying meditation
and
and is there levels to it for you um
is there a short meditation is there
deep where
like we talk about you know being taught
by christ the holy spirit angels
any of that kind of verbiage have you
experienced any of that kind of stuff
yeah yes i have uh the the whole idea
of meditation i think now that i look
back at it
um who was it i think oh gosh the guy
there was a there's a
uh uh a reggae song
uh and i'm trying to remember the group
that did they did a song that's called
chant a psalm a day chant of psalm a day
and they said moses he did chan chan
abraham he did chan chad david he did
and and i remember singing listening to
that and dancing with my wife in puerto
rico for her birthday
and we was chat to somebody and once
again
it's like the holy spirit was like do
you hear what i'm saying
do you hear what i'm saying chant and as
i start studying i realize
yes all of the greats all of those folks
in the scripture in the bible all of
them
did it and and it's a part of our
heritage it's a part of our human uh
just right to to to reflect
back to where we came from through
chanting through humming through
meditation through
being still and and then that stillness
yes it can happen in a minute
or that minute could be just like the
scripture says a day with the lord is a
thousand years and a thousand years is
one day
there is this place of timelessness that
you get into it now
does that take it takes time it takes
work you ask a question is there levels
there
are levels just like prayer
you know some so much of this i remember
i did a series on prayer
and the holy spirit once again you know
hey
you're talking about praying most of my
people are
praying about praying but they're not
actually praying
they're talking about it and and all of
that and so shift
that and actually do it so the actual
practice of it
it's it's just like you know hitting a
tennis
ball for the first time it feels cool
it's like boom you get a good solid hit
and now you think you're professional
you know because you got it across the
net
but to be able to continue to do it over
and over again
you refine something that's already real
something that's already divine and
already precious
and so that refining takes a lifetime
that refining takes a lifetime and there
are moments there are seasons yeah
and i've i've faced a lot of good
seasons i have seasons of deliverance
deep deliveries i've had seasons where
i've known
angels have been with me i've had
seasons where i've
i've i've felt get escaping out of my
body
i've had my first time stepping like
like feeling that
jumping out of my body i said okay hold
up wait a minute
let me put some slow down in it okay and
i
i pull back and when i pull back once
again
this is now this is me this is me
i felt the holy spirit smiling and
laughing at me it was like yeah
you want some of that but but it's a
little bit more than what you're ready
for huh
and i was like yeah what i wasn't like i
literally felt me shoot to the corner of
the room
and i was like i'm in the corner of the
room crap
i came back in my body and
and from what i read from what i hear
and remember guys you know go back to
john's when john and
first john that's how he opened his
whole book that which we've heard that
which we have seen that which we have
handled with our hands
concerning the words of life if you're
not
practicing it it's almost like they
talked about bebop back in the day
if you if if you don't know what it is
you don't know what it is
yeah but if you know that swing and you
know what they mean when they say now it
don't mean a thing if it ain't got
that swing that swing comes from
practice and
being in it and once you're in it there
is this sense of fellowship
that those that practice you know it's
you know you know yeah
yeah i know right you you start knowing
and you start exploring and learning and
then there's still
so much to learn there's so much more to
explore it never gets old kind of thing
you know right
right and then we write books on it and
then we feel like we're experts but then
we still just crack in the
circle scratching the surface you know
just scratching the surface yeah
yeah something and i think you know the
whole uh
writing writing the books on it and you
would probably you could probably really
experience and and resonate with this uh
i
enjoyed your book bro that you put out
and it was about just a year ago
right and and
and think about where you were when you
when you
did the last like when you did the end
the last sentence
where you were in your journey and then
of course all of the work it took to get
it out and all of that
and and now you're completely somewhere
else down the road
you're completely somewhere else and
you're like i got something else new i
can't wait to get it out
and so what's beautiful when we read
books and when we hear stories
we we try to connect and identify with
where people are
so that they kind of interlace with our
journey
but but it's not meant to be stagnant
it's not
meant to just stay in one spot because
that then all of a sudden it turns from
from momentum to memorial and once it's
a memorial
i think that's why the the to me the
science the
the philosophy behind the do not have
any graven image of me
because graven think of the word gravity
it's something that pulls it all the way
back down to the earth and it's just
stuck
there i remember once i was jogging in
colorado
and as i was jogging i looked to the
side and it was in the corner of my eye
and i freaked the heck out because there
was this wolf
that was right there and i jumped and i
jumped back and i was like oh snap it's
a wolf
and then when i looked again because it
was just the corner of my eye it was a
statue of a wolf
but the statue of the wolf was in motion
right and that's what i think what
happens many times
is we capture a snapshot of the divine
in motion
and then we write all about it we talk
all about it
when i saw it i laughed i was like
that's just that's just a statue i went
over and start playing with it
i looked at it it didn't even scare me
no more i tripped out how
fearful i was just 20 seconds prior and
that's when i felt the holy spirit
slipped in and said
you see why i don't want a graven image
because all of a sudden you get used to
it you can play with it it doesn't mean
that much you know how to wait
work your way around it but when i'm
dynamic
to you and when i'm alive and powerful
and sharper and quicker than anything
that can divide between thought and and
and intention
now we're tracking together
and so that's what i think that that
that the divine wants with all of us
is that live dynamic uh yeah interact
yeah i um yeah you know i wrote about
that the
the uh symbols and you know saying
monuments and being reminded
the reminders you know what i'm saying
but yeah bringing
god down to a stationary
you know something that's always moving
and being like the wind and
being able to follow um there's a
difference there you know even with
churches and services
and sermons and this is where this is
god's house you know that kind of
kind of thing too it's like we got them
we caught them in a box
our religion is god in the box you know
our tenants and precepts and
uh formulas on how to do all of this and
that's why
it gets old because it's ever moving
ever changing and you never
you never reach the the height the depth
of the breath of it you know
god's love and and and how to commune
and interact with with the divine
so that's the beautiful thing we always
got to be apt and open
and anytime you park you i think you've
missed it
we've got some good pointers we've got
some reflections and things and
things that work and we can encourage
people but you got to be open for that
following that sacred hum man and being
able to tap in and ride it out you know
where it wherever it leads
here in the chat your your wife's uh
watching with us live and uh gives you a
shout out are you watching what what
what
i'm so proud of you she says
that's my baby man we've been married
this year we celebrated 30 years dude
wow
30 years of being married i found the
love of my life
i honestly did i ain't gonna keep on
talking about because i'm start crying
[Laughter]
i'm celebrating 20 this year man go
ahead man that's beautiful bro
that's beautiful yeah that's what's up
yeah this is something about um
you know just being able to do that life
and and and i love your
uh your your analogy like you say about
that that symbols
i think i think all symbols are starting
points
that's all it is as a starting point now
think about it's a reminder
it's a reminder it's a starting point
think about the idea of
track if you ever ran track you got a
starting point
you got that starting block a symbol is
simply a starting block
now once the once they pop and it's time
to run
if you're stuck on start
you're missing the whole point of being
in the race
that's the starting point is to help
launch you forward
so you can go forward but if you just
stuck no i'm just going to stay here i
just love this starting block you know
i've never seen a starting block this is
like this is so good
it's like why would you call why were
you called down to the racetrack anyway
use the symbol to be that starting block
to launch you so you can go forward
because there's so much god is
inexhaustible
so he's like let's let's let's let's
learn together let's play it again
yeah um man speaking back more about the
about about the music you hit me up and
i know you
you you're really into my music i
appreciate you know
yes being able to discuss my music with
people who get it i've only had a couple
of those conversations where people
quote my lyrics or
even ask me about lyrics like i love
that but it doesn't happen a lot but
you've like broke down my lyrics and
studying them as a student
to really like take your writing process
to the next level and kind of break down
some of my formulas and things that i
say
man talk a little bit about that because
that was really interesting man
well it was it was fun when i when i
what was it three four years ago when i
heard about you
and saw what you were doing uh my
particular uh playpen
you know my sandbox started out in
christian hip-hop and when we first
started we was rapping like
about you know of course the scripture
says you know
if a person brags let him brag on god
right
and so we was talking about you know the
lord is my shepherd
wanting i don't do he's never leaving
them forsaken sticking like crazy glue
you know it you know it was that was
back in the late 80s early 90s right
and then i saw the trajectory i saw
hip-hop grow
and i saw you know folks get you know i
saw myself
growing hip-hop and and got more complex
and all of that
uh when i ran into you probably about
four or five years ago
i started looking at your discography
and i was just so
pleased like like because i
i think that so much of what christian
hip-hop
uh and i know you started in christian
hip-hop as well
uh it it it got limited
to how many ways you can talk about
you know doctrine we got into rhyming
about doctrine
and and all that and that that's good
don't i love it still love it like
people like the guys like the cross
movements or some of them
like charlene was one of the ones who
stood out
charlene yes and and me being this old
i'm 54 years old just turned 54.
so all these guys are my my babies to me
are they
my grandbabies you know i love them all
and so i don't have no quorum against
them however i really
recognize there's room right and so to
run into someone who is such a student
of hip-hop
as yourself derek i thought this dude
he studies it he it's not just it's not
he's not a
fan he's not or not just a fan he's
moved beyond just a fan
he's moved beyond that this is just a
hobby
this this i can listen to your rhymes
and realize that
it's an unconscious habit it ain't even
a hobby that you get you know
i feel like rhyming today no bro
if i cut you you don't bleed hip-hop
you're going to do that because that's
what's in you
but what i also love is i recognized
also like i
hear the word coming it just ooze it
comes out of you
right and so that mixture then
especially for me my whole personal
affinity like i said my sandbox started
in the christian rap group
rap world and i started on this journey
toward mysticism and a broader
brush and looking at more you have that
almost like a triangle like three
like a stool like three different legs
you have scripture you have
tradition what i mean in hip-hop you
know and study hip-hop you know and
study
scripture but then this third leg
of real-time experience
which to me is mysticism real-time
experience
not just what they used to talk about
not just about what
may could happen in one of these days
glad mornings in the
mile fly away no like with god right now
and with so so so so i was just
intrigued by your vocabulary
i really was and so i was like
when i was feeling challenged to get
back into hip-hop
i wanted to be stretched so so so to me
uh it's like if i could say it in terms
of like listening to a jazz
person if i'm playing the horn
and i really want to play the horn i'm
going to sit and listen to
bird disney gillespie
cole train why because i want them to
stretch me
right so i'm saying all that i told you
i'm a preacher i do this all the time
say all that to say this i said all that
say this bro you stretched me
i mean who can bring a rhyme out about a
plate the palladian
you know uh as well as
about corinthians you know
oh and and and seamlessly jump
between the two as if you intimately
are connected to both of them that that
right there i was like
i i just start studying your stuff and
start listening to it
to this day one of my favorite tracks my
favorite all-time tracks you've done
is i am i think that was just the
pinnacle i was like this dude here
so i'm going to let me confess to the
truth seeker crowd what i did
i just started like trolling all of your
lyrics
i literally found i went on genius i
went on google
i found all the lyrics you did i put
them all
in one word document and then i just
started
like how many times does he say this how
many times he said and it was just
so intriguing to see the work dude
the work that you put in and and for
that alone i was like i have to give
this cat respect
and uh as as well as as i was so
so if i'm if i'm if i love playing the
horn
and i'm listening to dizzy then i'm
gonna riff off of what dizzy is doing
now dizzy did his thing he put it on
record
but i got the record i can listen to the
record and i can play some dizzy
gillespie
and i could uh uh saw peanut sauce
but i could put my own twist to it and
i'm not trying to be like dizzy
but i'm trying to let what inspired
dizzy
land a little bit on me and that's what
i was trying to do
and have been involved with and uh i'm
telling you
some of y'all that true secret sauce
student a student of the seeker
the true secret sauce boy you put some
of that true secret sausage dude
i don't have a lot of people that uh you
know that
i've talked to about you know about my
music and can be like man when you said
that i know where you were
i don't you know there's people who get
it i don't hear a lot of it they say how
much my music means to them and
you know a spiritual awakening and they
tell me kind of the effects of it but
actually
you know getting into what what i said
and and
rhyming there was one a shout out to a
friend of mine shield in in
india he's done a couple album reviews
on mine and i listened to him and i'm
like wow he gets it
yeah like he gets because he's like he's
not just saying hey it's it's
music means he's like breaking down why
it means a lot
and going through and so i appreciate
you know this conversation or whatever
man because i i
you know identify with that music it
really means a lot to me and uh
to to you know just to there's different
levels you know that we talk about
levels to how it affects different
people some
in passing they just like it some it
makes them think some of
it scares some people right other people
they're like man there's something more
all of this is connected again how can
you jump from kundalini to holy spirit
to pranayama to cheat like all
and like what is there a connection
there or is it he just
you know some people think we're just
throwing words together right some
people would think we're just taking
mystical terms and just throwing them
out there and nothing's connected and
so it's different for for different
people man so i appreciate you know that
that respect and and and that
conversation man you know
yes but you know i i was just uh with uh
one of my uh coaches and mentors and he
talked about
the importance and i think this came
from
um what's the kid that did rich kid
which
kid rich dad poor dad uh okay
that kid carlos i forgot his name but
that dude
uh japanese yeah william cat
and and he talked about this he he
called
making sure that what you bring to the
table is dicey
dicey is what he called it dicey and
dicey is an acronym is uh d-i-c-e-e
and what dicey means is that it's deep
for d i is indulgent
c is complete
e is elegant and the last is emotive
i'll say it again is it dicey and what
he was saying is
is it deep it it doesn't have depth to
it
one of the the the theologians talked
about uh the book of john and and it's
become famous people have said it for
years
and john does this he has this ability
and this is the type of stuff that only
comes from the soul
where you know touched by the divine the
uh the theologian commented
commented on the book of john is that
the book of john
is deep enough for an elephant to swim
in yet shallow enough for a baby
to wade in it and it has that
transcendent feature to it right
uh you can you can come to it and get
John 3 16 and you good
you know and walk away or you can go in
deeper and get you know
John 8 36 you know or
or 672 you know whatever and just and
it's like oh he
or even go to John 3 16 when i first
read John 3 16
at 15 years old now at 54 years old it's
it's deep enough for an elephant
to swim and i still haven't touched the
bottom up
right so it's deep but then it's also
indulgent
so the more i can get into it it just
has layers and you can unfold those
layers right
but it's complete so it's not unwanting
and it's elegant
and and then it's emotive in the end it
moves you to something
you know and uh i laugh derek i'm
telling you one of my favorite boys that
you do
on your rhyme is when you do your cha
you know that child it's like it's like
you're doing that what they do now
because because that is you saying so
much more in the chop
you saying what they used to say back in
the 80s with the hoo
right i i i got a rhyme that i did in
the
in 2000 i said give a hoo-ha
and tareen's get smithered when i put it
down give a hoo
ha cause that's what they used to do
back in the day
they were saying so much more don't you
realize that spiritual transfer
that spiritual transfer dude we just
thought it was cool
and we laced it with some adidas and put
a kango on it
it was like huh but it was like no
it was so much more
and and so when you do your cha i'll be
like there he go
with your child yeah it's cool because
do your child yeah it's cool because
it's also like god's name like yeah you
know what i'm saying yeah
come on man so it's like at the same
time we're putting we're putting
you know that ya in there too so yes you
are that's that dicey man
it's it could be just enough it's enough
as an accent
but there's so much more to it you know
and uh
that's what i mean about the divine you
know i got i guess from my my song
golden teachers i'm lost within the
mystery but found within simplicity
and so there's both dynamics to the
scriptures and there should be that
dynamic to our music as well and so
yes um and i've said this many times
that's what i really enjoy doing is
taking really deep
concepts that i've read out of you know
the book of enoch or
secret teachings of all ages by mainly p
hall taking this really
deep stuff and then breaking and
explaining it really simple
right and then taking really simple
concepts such as prayer meditation
fasting and making them sound really
deep
and esoteric which they are and there's
both
qualities in everything so there's a
beauty in going
really deep or or shallow and i
and and with that too i've also noticed
that um
a lot of my stuff is is i'll describe i
and
with that is that prayer let's just take
prayer i'm describing prayer
you know just like in in my song flight
of the navigator
hypnotic agnostics researching the
records akashic and start here
in the temple i'ma lay prostrate like
the mystic seers and the prophets so i'm
kind of like
explaining this way of prayer then you
just start describing it
like what's happening and then i go on
to say i begin to sweat and feel the
heat increase
there's life in my tongue probably when
i speak i feel it move from my head down
to my feet
as i'm ascending the ladder the weight
of his glory i never did fathom so we're
like
something as simple as filling the holy
spirit
now we can spend days and hours
explaining that what's happening like
i'm getting deliverance
from this jolt of energy from heaven
that is coming from above me or within
me
right and so artistically just like
explaining it and describing all of the
sensations i'm getting chills and
my hair stands up on his edges and and
god hears it and he receives the prayers
and then i light a stick of incense and
it carries the prayer and like
really just going deep on prayer and
something so simple right
and it's the whole time you've been just
talking it's like i
this whole time i've just been talking
about
prayer yeah and then correct ain't not
crazy i'm just talking about prayer but
it's like
you're not just talking about it you are
bringing it to like you you're bringing
it to us
to where we're visualizing it yeah i
love that rhyme that you did
about simplicity with so let me give you
uh a 80s version of what i did 20 years
ago that same concept
now it's concept so
so you brought it into a whole new brand
new school
but i did a rhyme back in the 80s late
80s early 90s this is
our rhymes are simple sometimes it
complex it's like whatever's clever who
wants to be next
you know and same point but it's just
re-presenting when you represent
you re-presenting yeah and so it's the
whole idea of
re-presenting and and finding those ways
to do it
and when you find folks that can put it
in
lyrical form um uh it's just
it's it's beautiful what happens i'm i'm
thinking of um
so lyric that i did about the whole idea
of of of of the hum right and i said
it's the hum have you noticed it
uh sitting in the lotus get quiet calm
the cognizant
pull in the oxygen and just hold it in
stay inside the moment it'll take you
where you're supposed to get
you know the effect is like a
barbiturate without the addictiveness
that the barbs hit you with
you know so so it's like it's like
finding
their their proverbs it says a word
fitly spoken
is like apples of gold and setting of
silver
when it just flows and rolls off the
tongue it
has a way of staying with you and and
and we we never would we would not have
scripture
like there there's scripture does this
and i think that's the the pull the
divine
pull that we get in scripture because
when you look at something like Proverbs
31
or different psalms that are actually
acronyms that take the whole alphabet
hebrew alphabet
and it's like who had time to do that
you know when you look at a lot of the
church fathers tertullian and
all of those cats they wrote thousands
of books
you know what today we we this is what i
think we're doing
we've gotten so much into consumer mode
that we've neglected the creator side of
who we are
yeah and so that's why i love so much
what you've the work that you've put in
because it's like you've tapped into
that creator side which i resonate with
that's like because
i have a creator side that's like yeah i
can get with that i can get down with
that
that inspires me to do something and
then boom
we keep the move we keep re-presenting
we keep representing we keep
representing
the story over and over and over again
it's good
um i think i think the majority of my
stuff is like worship music you know
calling myself a christian artist but it
really is about worshiping
and i guess worship gets deeper as you
become a mystic you find out that
just breathing is worship you know it's
a position of the heart
being prostrated and your attention your
focus and
your thoughts in between the thoughts
you know everything is worship
everything that we do and so um there's
a lot of that in my music there's a lot
of straight up just worship
tunes thrown in there and hip hop songs
and worship courses and
i heard a song um this is a band that
that i really like but i heard the song
like
this past week and i was like man that
rem it reminds me of
of of my lyrics and i would just read
some of this this is the band fly leaf
um but they got a song called all around
me but uh and it's just like
as i read this i'm thinking of worship
music and many of them worship me
they're describing what's taking place
yeah i need you more more than yesterday
like this place of like
our connection with god but she says
here in his lyrics he says my hands are
searching for you so in worship my hands
are searching for you
my arms are outstretched towards you i
feel you on my fingertips
my tongue dances behind my lips for you
there's a fire rising through my being
burning i'm not used to seeing you i'm
alive i'm alive
i can feel you all around me thickening
the air i'm breathing
holding on to what i'm feeling savoring
that
this heart that's healing i'm like wow
you're just like
i feel like it's a very similar wordplay
of just like hey i'm just
worshiping i'm just singing to god and
i'm describing
the sensations of what's taking place
man and so
and that just draws you in like you
reading that and i'm sitting up in my
mind thinking
who would not want that experience
mm-hmm who who wouldn't want that who
would deny that and just say oh i don't
take all of that
maybe it don't take all of that for you
but i'm like
it's enticing i guess it's inviting when
i
when i when i smell like you know go by
burger king
i smell the smoke everything else it'd
be told me it's time yeah and when i
when i sense the the spirit when i sense
someone
that loves the divine like that
it it it only entices me to say yeah i
wanna
i wanna love the divine just like that
that's a testimony
you know and that's the thing i think
that's one thing that that you can
appreciate in
my audience and is that you know
testimony is what somebody's experienced
it's available for you not just me i'm
not the prophet i don't
i've seen some really interesting things
in my life in the spirit world
that even cross over into the physical
but i don't think i'm special i think
that's for everybody like as much as you
want it so let me put that in the song
and invite you to taste and see that the
lord is good
invite you to spend some time in
meditation and prayer and those kind of
things so that you can
have those same experiences and so uh
it's real and you can tell that and i
told you
i've said this many times like there's
people that i've i've read
similar lyrics from not christians i'll
tell you that so i think there's a
difference there
but the mystical guys who rap about a
lot of deep esoteric philosophy
but when it comes to like practical or
experiencing
it they're just repeating stuff that
they heard and that was a huge
letdown for me that they're talking
about meeting angels in the spirit world
i'm like yes
sign me up you know and then and then i
talk to them i call into a show
and i become friends with these guys you
know people i looked up to
and they're like nah man i never had
that happen i've never seen the ufo i've
never
i don't even meditate i've never
meditated i was like dude you got six
songs about
meditating meditation dude this is weird
you know what i'm saying so there's like
a lot of imposters
that let me down man so when you get my
music i
kind of like that's experiences i'm
articulating them
there is creativity there are there's
word play you know there's a lot of that
stuff going on but
it definitely comes from a place of
experience man you know and and it's
available for everyone
yeah goes back to that like what john
old man john said
that which we have heard that which we
have seen that which we
have handled it's like we've practiced
this thing
it's not just that we're talking about
it and you gotta imagine
back in his day i mean that was the
arrive the rise first century of the
church
you know it was all kinds of people
coming out of the box and coming out of
all kind of corners saying well he's
over here he's over there
and you know and you got it indulging
all this stuff in the field
and it was it was all over the place but
john was just like look
this is my is not just some sli
i'm not trying to talk slick to you this
is real for me
to the point that i'll i'll lay down my
life for it uh
and i i now this is the dude that laid
his head
on his chest john
john the night he was betrayed one of
jesus's worst nights of his human
experience
and existence he had a close friend that
was just leaning on him and
got close enough to since his heartbeat
and i don't think he
was ever the same and he was forever
chasing
that dragon he was forever chasing that
high
he was forever trying to come back to
that to the point that
when it was time for him as an old old
man
to talk to the new next generation he
just said
this is something that i've practiced
and i want to give to you out of my
practice
not out of my intellect not of my
slickness you know
but out of my interesting d you know
what just kind of blows my mind because
i'm
you know i'm big on talking about like
communing with
um your leaders or the great cloud of
witnesses from beyond the grave like
there's some interesting things in the
bible about that
yes it is every other tradition believes
that your teachers
continue to teach you from beyond the
grave i'll show you how star wars goes
into that
but the interesting thing like that we
can be taught by
jesus or john maybe
i don't know um there's people who claim
it um
definitely by christ we're being taught
by christ but just think of
i'm the picture of um obi-wan
being led by yoda saying listen i'm
going to teach you how to commune with
someone who taught you from the other
side i'm going to teach you how to
commune with qui-gon jinn and uh and
and so he he knew qui-gon jinn
and this is from star wars he knew him
in the flesh that was his his
teacher and so i'm thinking of john
in the scriptures like they walked with
christ yes
in the physical like you know they they
were taught by him
they loved they literally put his head
on his chest so they knew him in the
flesh
now in their lifetime see we haven't
known him in the flesh
but they did and so they're learning how
to commune
with his spirit oh my god from the other
side like someone who
existed with them told them jokes
laughed at their jokes
got on to them but these they were
friends and they weren't
but he's so called you know died or
crossed over
and so they're learning to commune with
someone who was like
a good friend of theirs really
interesting to think about
imagine like like let's do a thought
experiment
imagine being around a campfire eating
some
fish of course cause fish was their
favorite red dish but without the money
is still a wish okay so they was eating
fish around
campfire right and maybe
peter says something and he says it in a
certain
tone that they know that that wasn't
peter that was peter probably
reminiscing or maybe even making fun of
how jesus said something
and then john said yes i saw and then
all of them like just laughing before
they dispersed out before they went out
all of them remembering how
and what he said
and it's like yeah they they had it they
they knew it they knew
him they knew i would love to be next to
that fire campfire
man that's just that's weird to think
about
you know yeah it's kind of emotional
it's deeply emotional because i can
imagine them
like because here's my point my my uh we
we just went
and celebrated my aunt my great-aunt's
87th birthday this past weekend
her husband was the man that led me to
christ when we all get together we
all mimic him because
he was his own personality very dogmatic
very much himself
so we all mimic and so if we say
something a certain way
all of us know it's time to make fun of
ideally beloved who we lost yeah
and so we don't even have to say his
name but once i say something like that
and then somebody else say something
and then we go into what i call the win
wheeze you know what the windways are
right
remember when we was there and remember
when we was that and we
are time doesn't exist we are caught up
in the remembrance of him
right and so we all have that so i
know that they had jokes and the ways
that jesus said stuff
and like they just and they held that
but i wonder where that connects with
though because like
like i'm saying that like i'm getting
emotional to think about it they're
sitting around the fire and they're like
man you remember when jesus
used to do this man you remember he
always used to you remember when jesus
did this man yeah
man but it's like but you don't talk to
him
talk about him like he's not there you
know what i'm saying because he's there
like he's
like his spirit the holy spirit like is
with them and they still have
connection with him so i wonder even how
that
conversation really took place does he
show up in apparition you know what i'm
saying or
move up on their hearts or something you
know 24 he walked through the wall and
was with him
you know so i can imagine that that
really did shift
the way they could not have been just
like how he was
at least not after the the moment you
know where peter and all of them went
fishing
and jesus gave him that fishman that
that fish breakfast
in the morning you know and you know
wow they they they were like he's still
here he's here
he's here and i can imagine them
invoking
enough of what he said to the point
where they knew oh he's here
oh he's here i haven't you done that
before
you you you just know when you shift
into a trans state
and he is like he's in the room and it's
almost like paul
i don't know if i was in the spirit
or i was up there or he was down here
i i don't know i can't tell yeah i don't
know well i mean it gets
you know when you're connected to him
you start talking about him
there he is there he is there he is
well he said you know when when two or
three are gathered
you know there i am i am
and that that's the beauty that uh
my heart hopefully i i would love to
capture a a starting point a starting
block
in this project the sacred hum and
help people just use it as a starting
block
to experience him yeah
it's like that that campfire experience
just has
not died i think we've just dressed it
up
in church and we've tried unfortunately
and i
i got to be honest i think we've tried
to co-op it and say it's only church
but i like how you talk about you know
you hear
you hear the traces of the divine in
secular lyrics i do too i mean one of my
favorite
favorite is george clinton with the
rhythm it takes to dance to what we have
to live through you can dance underwater
and not get wet
if that's not divine if that's not
inspired
just take time to meditate on that with
the rhythm
it takes to dance to what we have to
live
through yeah you can dance on the water
and not get
wet that's it
that's it art art the beauty of
just uh so much that and and and i
i think that there is this call now and
that's the call i think of the mystics
because
in in all of the mystic perennial
traditions the mystics they see each
other and get it
you know they like everybody else can
argue over you know
you can't play with my ball you can't
play with my bad you can't play with my
equipment
i'm the only one that can have it the
mystics is like let's just go off the
field and go play
because it's real it's there and we all
share in
the what peter the mystic peter
he said it well he said we have we are
partakers in the divine
nature we share we
share in god's divinity this mystery
yeah
in this mystery man man
that's good um and chris garner i'm
paying attention to the chat as well
chris garner says there's a scripture
that says who giveth to all men
and unbradeth not there you go give us
give us to all men and that's an
interesting
word study you know if you got a bible
dictionary or an e-sword to type in
all men you know i will off i will pour
out my spirit on
all flesh yeah um uh christ is the light
that lighteth
every man oh man that cometh into the
world
you know what i'm saying and so this
thing we start looking at people where
there's god but that's not god
this is god this isn't man it's like god
is more inclusive than we thought man
and there's a special blessing in it i
believe once we're able to get through
our
own isms and schisms and containers like
god is only in the cup
that's one thing to talk about like god
being in a box like this
we will use a cup so god is we put god
in a cup right there's a little bit of
coffee left over in my ren and stimpy
cup
uh god is the cup well god's in the cup
he said no god's not in the cup god's
not in your box
god is the box god is the cup and you
said then you set it down
and you're like no god's not the cup god
is also the table that
your cup is sitting platforming the cup
yes and then he's
he's the house that the table is in and
then he is the earth
that the house is built upon then he is
the universe and the cosmos that
we dwell in and so god is in all and i
really do like
the the uh old proverb i learned this
from
from john illuminati congo you got a
song
if you can't see god in all then you
can't see god at all
i've really learned to apply that to my
life and and it's
really really awesome even just in
prayer
people are asking for prayer and giving
giving
uh advice and things like that it's okay
god what would you say what do you say
about the matter you're in this
situation
somewhere don't seem like it seems like
there's devils and demons and despair
and heartache and cancer and all kinds
of stuff in this but god where are you
in this allow me to see you please so
that i can minister hope that i can just
be a friend or whatever it is and so
there's a beauty in there to know that
there's nowhere that we can go
where he isn't mentally
spiritually subconsciously and uh and
that's
that's being able to see him in
everything and he is very inclusive
yes he is i you know we we have traces
throughout christian tradition
that uh points to this uh
unapologetically
just points to it uh and then i think
that just like
i joked about you know being in the
corner of the room and feeling that
outsideness and saying oh excuse my
friends but oh
let me jump back in my we in the
christian church
do that often for example when you said
the whole
uh and i love that uh congo's illuminati
congo's
lyric if you can't see god in all you
can't see god at all
the quakers had a tradition and they
have it written
in their doctrine that there is a grace
of god that you see christ in everything
and everyone there was a mystic and i
think it was
teresa of avila or it wasn't theresa
because it was a man
who had a deep deep vision
and no it may have been theresa uh this
is
uh i'm i've read this book on mystics
and
all of these great stories but anyway
this person they they they ran
out of their time of prayer
saying christ is in all christ is all
is in all he is all because it was like
for days that everywhere this person
looked they saw christ
in them and that's when the veil gets
lifted and you see the beauty of it
i think about the idea of the cup and i
think you know
if if you you to understand
overflow you've got to have a cup
yeah to understand overflow you've got
to have this
idea where the thing is in the container
and the container
was created for the purpose of overflow
wasn't created
just for the purpose of stagnation and
keeping it and holding it in
it was for the purpose of overflow and
every worthy container
experiences overflow think about your
favorite cup
every time you tip that baby back it's
overflow and it was created not just to
hold
but to pour out and for overflow and so
i think that we have
these moments and we have these errors
and god
of course is in ordering and
bringing things to boundaries and saying
this is what is
only for the purpose of being who he
really is
we even call him he uh but
sometimes i say won't she do it
okay to who god really is
is the greatest escape artist yes
he creates the cup she creates the cup
to escape the cup
so that that to me that's the beauty
that's the beauty and then the mystery
is in all of us i
one of the lyrics that i put on this new
i'm really excited tonight i actually go
to the studio to
to record the first single and the first
single is called the hum
so i got this lyric i set up all hail
emanuel through the perpetual
inhale and exhale that tip the scale and
lift the veil
see celestial with the pineal like a
fraction
we all tiny l and motion like a
kaleidoscope
gathering balancing isotopes would hope
to be twice as dope
so it's like yes it's
we're all if you see a kaleidoscope it
it has the same image just
all broken up and it's all floating
around because the more you twist the
kaleidoscope you see
the same image just in broken pieces
okay there the whole you know that we in
we're almost infractions with fractal
art
we are god's fractal art we're all
tiny hidden himself he's hidden himself
within us
and that's why when he says let you know
in the scripture narrative in the story
of the garden
and he said let us create man and let
him
it was not that one race it was not that
one
tribe that one person that one religion
let humanity
be the stewards of the earth
and and that to me there is the reason
why we've never been able to properly
steward the earth to the best of the
ability that we all know it could be
stewarded
because we're trying to just do it alone
we've got to do it as a unit
as as as a species so anyway
good stuff man um i'm going to go ahead
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make sure you check it out um fred man
man i love how you putting it down like
bro you you are on your grind dude okay
you could tell they've got too much
going on dude it's hard to capture all
of this
overflow this you can see that this is a
labor of love for you man
what drove you because i'm sure like
when i first saw
you doing your thing and saw how you
getting down i'm like that's what's up
this dude is doing his thing
uh but but but it takes like skill what
drove you
to figure out how to like so much of
that stuff you're doing
you got to do a podcast ain't nobody's
doing it so i got to do it
and let me let me count you this because
i want to hear from you how why
what took you when back in the 80s okay
back our first album was in 88 so in
about 86
87 i was just graduating from bible
school and i was thinking about hip-hop
i was out on the street rapping and
using it as a tool and all of that
and we came up with this lyric we said
you know uh we're
don't don't look upon us to idolize
we're just holy ghost preachers and rap
in the skies thus the name preachers in
disguise or pid was born right
and i remember praying in prayer on the
backside
of my christian bible school christ for
the nations institute
i was in the wilderness out in the
backside and i was praying i was like
man lord somebody need to use rap
because rap
is the language you know i was back in
the 80s i was young and
you know thought i knew something and i
was like rap
is the language what's going to happen
it's gonna blow up somebody need to use
rap
and i felt and i distinctly felt in my
heart the holy spirit said
so when you gonna do it
why don't you do it and i was like no um
see cause
somebody else needs to do it and what i
love about what i see you
man it's like you like there needs to be
this podcast that opens up
and gives more people room to breathe so
it's like you just went and did it
he was like okay there needs to be some
hip-hop that's representing strong that
got lyrics that that's got that
understands what hip-hop is about but
also can bridge the gap between
spiritualism and
you know so you went and did it what
what drives you to do
that man cause you you you killed in the
game cousin talk to me man
it wasn't easy at first man you know um
but i know
the work that i did uh opened up the
door for a lot more people
and maybe a lot more people were in a
similar spot and they weren't talking
about their experiences
um where they are now but you know when
i when i started this and even starting
christian rap let's say even go back to
early days of christian rap like
christian rap is of the devil and oh
yeah we can't
listen to that and why are you trying to
be like the world to win the world and
all these cliches that we heard like
that was revolutionary too
gospel rap so um for me like uh
you know having these experiences and
and uh and wanting to tell people and
wanting to share it with others and then
having uh other people with me
who had similar experiences or the same
ones but they kind of like
yeah there's no way i can talk about
this because i would get fired from my
job
people would think i'm crazy you know
that kind of thing and so
with our our overflow from our
experiences with god
and crying out in prayer and fasting and
all of those things study and all of
that
began overflowing and this is the
revelation that came and we would beg
god for revelation would beg him to show
himself to us beg us to a lot to use us
but we thought that it was something
that at the time at least i did
thought it was something that uh that
the church would you know
accept and they would ask me to preach
and share and those kind of things and
when it came out little by little
it was it was so foreign you know of
begging god to to use us and show us
things and
and um you know i felt like i had to
share it you know and i just be open and
honest as a psalmist
for a musician like you got to write
about what you're going through
yes you do you know what i'm saying so
what i was experiencing what i was going
through it just organically comes out
in your music and um so that kind of
happened even though it was like
you know i was a christian minister and
and the christian my christian friends
would
you know have conversations about me and
stay away from him and he's going back
into witchcraft and he's doing this and
he's doing that and you know early on i
thought that it would open up dialogue
because i got scriptures man i i'm
tearing the word up dude
right i i thought i can show them the
zodiac the mazzaroth
orion the pleiades the four living
creatures i thought i can show them all
that in the scriptures like and how
that's the zodiac and all of the
you know so-called ufos or angels or
trance state in the bible but none of
them wanted to hear it
so i was writing it down thinking that
it would open up dialogue and it never
did
and uh and then my friends were you know
who had the same experiences but they
were like yeah we can't talk about it i
don't want to get fired and
so i was like well because you guys
aren't talking about it
i have to because you guys won't like i
have to because you won't
and so i'm you know stuck my head out
there and this was
you know ridiculed and made fun of and
excommunicated and called crazy and all
kinds of stuff and there
there was nothing like this podcast that
everyone's listening to right now
this nothing existed now it's a dime a
dozen
they're everywhere christians are
talking about aliens christians talk
about mushrooms christian
listen your head was cut off if you
talked about any of this stuff oh yeah
and so
um you know i uh i put it out there and
was just open and honest about my
experiences and so
uh i think i paid the way for a lot of
people
you know and i've just you know i'm just
a regular guy but i know that
this platform is is much bigger than me
um
and and you know in influence and things
like that is is
a lot bigger listen there's i know that
there's like big
people contact me in the church my heart
is for the church my heart is for god's
people
um whether that's people in there now or
bringing people into this relationship
with christ to let them know that they
are the church
right yeah um and so i have people over
christian
major radio stations who contact me and
they listen to the show
hey bro i could never talk about that
stuff but
because of your podcast i have a magic
mushroom ceremony
uh set up and god's calling me to it man
and there's nobody i can talk to about
it and i have to
listen in these people who were like
confiding in me and stuff and they're
like
big time they're preachers and pastors
and all of this stuff so
i just made sure that uh that i just was
open and honest about it
and and now it's a dime a dozen i don't
think i get credit for it
may i don't i guess i don't need the
credit but but i know
you know what i'm saying like what i
went through and this wasn't cool and
and there it's everywhere now and it's
opened it and i rejoice over that
and um you know the fact that um
you know if if we don't if they don't
you know invite you to their table make
your own
make your own table if they're not
asking you to come speak at their
conference
rent a building and throw your own
conference if they're not if they're not
inviting you on their podcast
make your own podcast right and so we
have the power and the technology to do
that now so
the mystic circle and those kind of
things like there's a lot of people
who we rub shoulders with who have
amazing stories and they're more
anointed and deeper than
any of the people that you would see on
gaia but you'd never hear their name
because
they don't have the money they don't
have the resources or the technology and
know how to do that because they're so
devoted
to their spiritual life and they're not
they're not marketing themselves they're
not those people
it's expensive to hire a public
publicist yes it is
very expensive and so i want to i want
to give those people a platform i want
to
you know have them on my podcast and
have these conversations and stuff so
you know early on with with just a
podcast was like
just a student of jordan maxwell
of uh santos benachi and and
listening to coast to coast am and
hearing those people
and um and and i would hear them in
interviews
and they would explain something and
then the uh
the the host the interviewer would
change the subject or they would they
would mention something i'm like wait
i want to know more about that like why
didn't you go deeper into this guy just
like
passingly said that angels came to him
in the middle of the night listen hold
on what did they look like
how did they communicate was it
telepathically i've had similar
experiences
did they open their mouth did they
communicate did they look into your eyes
like
so i'm reaching out to these same people
that i'm listening to these interviews
with because i
genuinely had questions and i'd write
them down and i
and everybody who was on these big shows
and the big names and stuff
because i was out there early on when
nobody else was doing it had a radio
show
podcast in 2010 i was able to get all of
these people on early on and that's
where like
you know i kind of got my wings or
whatever and that guy made you know it
was it wasn't easy dude it was
it was hard you talk about feeling like
you're the only one i damn sure was the
only christian
uh talking about this stuff and and
being open and honest about
the beauty of you know plants medicine
or
or working with plant teachers and and
spirits and the elementals and the
elements on the other side and how jesus
had a relationship with them and
all of the stuff that i put in my music
like that stuff came from study and
from experience and so we have to be
honest with our stories and
and not hold back you know we're doing
humanity and a disservice when we hold
back and keep this stuff to ourselves
because we're fear
we're afraid of ridicule and and and not
being invited to parties or being made
fun of or hey that's the crazy guy like
i just started going back to church man
and one of the first things that the
pastor
when i talked to him and he was my
pastor from 20 years ago
and he's like uh yeah man you haven't
yeah i told him yeah i've been going to
a bible study next door and these kind
of things and he said oh that's good man
he's like
you found any cool conspiracy theories
lately man huh
it's like you don't really even that's
old bro like you know what i'm saying so
people still remember you
yeah from being the crazy
9 11's an inside job watch out for td
jakes man they're
you know all that kind of stuff so right
um you know being made fun of and
ridiculed and
being a a revolutionary you know
and i think jesus was that i think the
disciples was that this was all new to
them and
and we're we're rediscovering and
remembering
a lot of things that i believe the early
church participated in and they knew the
secrets of the spirit world and
and they understood how to have
authority and dominion in that realm
because they knew who they were and they
knew how it operated so when you read my
book and
or hear these talks and stuff it is for
people to know who they are in the
spirits people are getting beat up by
forces and energies and the moon cycles
and all kinds of things and they're just
a victim
but they just think that ah me and if
all i got is jesus man
just need jesus man that kind of thing
and uh and it sounds good
until it's time to fast you know it
sounds good until it's time to give an
offering or until it's time to talk
about a different subject and uh
and we know that we just have to be um
open and honest about our stories and
how simple that
is that people just know that they're
not alone
yeah i'm not crazy like man and
i can't tell you a big part of like my
following the audience or whatever
my music fans whatever you want to call
it like they're like man like i know
what you talk about like
i do the same thing and i've but nobody
vocalizes it and we're looking for
people
to stand up from the the crowd and and
someone will we're eager to identify
with someone
you know and so for us mystics christian
mystics if you say that
um we didn't have anybody and i became
that you know by just
you know being a laughingstock but you
know they say that about truth it goes
through
this progression at first it's ridiculed
and it's mocked and
and then you're made fun of and all of
these things and then it's accepted and
it's like oh yeah yeah we all knew that
the whole time
like could have fooled me well for me
you know there um the yesterday two days
ago i think it was uh
actually when we were yeah so when we
were coming back home from houston my
wife and i were talking and me being a
preacher i i always think in preacher
thought
okay so that means i have three points
on everything
and and the baptist preacher envy asks
that they all have to have the same
letter to start with right so and that's
my own joke about myself but
but honestly uh it's been probably about
two years that i've been
kind of mentally cooking on this
idea probably even more than that
probably about four years
that i've been thinking and it all hit
me on my trip home and i'll share with
you
is is this that we all
have to play so i i got this sermon in
my mind i've never preached it yet but i
call it play the role
because we all play the role but the
role switches and we've got to know how
to switch with the role
one role that we all play is we are the
one
that to somebody in somebody's life we
must become the one you got to mean
something to somebody in fact they say
that the the one part of
keeps people alive is that sense of
connectedness that they
they are important they are significant
to someone so when we
are the one that's a role now
mind you this is once again in my
opinion
is a fractal design
that you can see in the divine so we
all play the role of the one then we all
play the role of the other
and sometimes when you're so used to
being the one and you
shift to the now your role is the other
yeah
it's hard sometimes because the other is
the
the foreigner the outsider the other the
ill
the other or or not or
it's not even ill because i got another
one for that one
it's just i'm dispassionate about it
because you're not me
i don't care about you because you are
other
right and so others and then the third
one
and i learned this from being from a
life with my son
is we all got to play the role of the
ogre
the hated one the stinky one the one
that nobody wants to be around
the ogre and that those roles shift in
our lives
uh my there was a time in my life with
my son
where he was mad at me because of
mistakes that i made
uh i just said that me and my wife we
celebrated 30 years uh in our 20-year
25th year of our marriage we went
through the hardest times right when my
son and my daughter
became old enough they you know
graduated from high school both of them
into college
and my wife and i we went through a
separation uh
hardest time in my entire life and i
wish it on
nobody if you're watching this and
you're going through some type of
separating pain from someone you love my
heart aches with you
because no one deserves to just
be torn away from love but love has
moments where
it takes you through tearing it is but
keep on living
stay with it stay with it so anyway i
was in that moment
and in that separation i felt like my
son
hated me as my son
yeah i felt like he hated me and and i
felt
like either wisdom because i'll say that
because we still both doing so we say
the holy spirit to me god spoke to me
maybe it was just lady wisdom said
let him hate you stop trying to stop him
from hating you
let him hate you yeah because it's only
going to last a season and it's going to
exhaust but the more that you make that
him hating you a taboo thing
you're just giving fuel to it let him
hate you
and i let go and let him hate me and it
was like this
i hate you i hate you i hate you that
was it
he didn't hate me no more
give it a moment let and so there are
times that i realized that i had to play
the ogre
i had to play i'm not your friend in
this i'm gonna be the bad guy right now
and time shifts and i'll turn back to
the one
and one of the most marvelous moments in
my life
was a christmas right after that same
season
with my wife and i we found each other
again
our separation only lasted nine months
and we came back together on christmas
day we were
back here in texas my wife and i we
drove from san diego to texas
to be with our our kids they decided you
know to come and hang out at the house
for christmas
and we were doing a group hug and my son
told me he said
this time last year i
almost killed myself in this same room
and he just looked at me and said i'm so
glad i didn't
derek that was the best christmas gift i
ever could have had
but i had to go through those three
seasons of being the one
being the other being the ogre
and i came back to being the one even if
not for him for me
just to hug my my family and to have
them back
i don't need nothing else yeah yeah
i'm good i'm good
small things in life small things baby
simplicity yeah that's what it's about
man um
we play those roles we go through them
you know i think that we go through
i think that you know i think it's more
than three i think it's
i think it's every i think it's every
character in the bible you know yeah it
is
gonna hit me with another one give me an
o though give me a oh you're
right you you're a word smith so if it's
a
it's the other it's the one it's the
ogre gonna give you another i mean some
would say
like the tarot you know what i'm saying
the path of the tarot is like
you play all those characters and they
and they mean something
to you um i mean you know
i i all of the you know
i we all identify with with king david
right
facing the giants you know what i'm
saying that's a you know or dealing with
idolatry you know what i'm saying or
um wherever we are you know the woman
i'm
you know we think we're these cool
people we're we're the the low lives too
we're i'm the woman caught in the act of
adultery
right i'm the beggar you know i'm the
leper
true i play the leper bro that's what i
became
to those church folks i was a leper stay
away from him man
it'll rub off on you you're going to be
just like the devil
he's got demons his demons will his
demons will jump on you
i've had dreams that true seeker has
demons stay away like i became the leper
i played that role and uh and i'm all of
them and i'm still those to different
people yeah i'm all things to all men
but my goal is to win some and so uh
you know i'm all of them but i'm but i'm
not but i'm none of them at the same
time all of them are none of them and is
that not
him is that not him
yeah and the ability to love through
that and still
keep your mind and keep yourself in love
through it and like
hurt through it i mean i i i
i hated being the ogre you know but i
played the role
stuck to it i talked about how it felt
to yahweh and
this is what i didn't realize he was
like yeah i know
yeah i was like oh that's right you know
yeah you can't complain you know what
it's like
you know what that's like that's sharing
with the fellowship of his sufferings
only comes man from that that that deep
that being still being quiet you know be
still and no
be still and know a side of me that you
never knew before
that's it we got a caller
got a caller got a caller here um let's
see if we get these phone lines to work
let's see if they're working
uh alex are you with us
alex follow from the 317.
hello hello
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okay well i thought we did
well it was close
this technology yes sir um
one thing i want to tell you too like
i've just been getting into this guy's
work um the kinis
um what is his name bradford keaney
i've been talking about this a lot and i
know
i say i know very little i've i've
experienced it and i know what he's
talking about in the notion and he's got
books and videos on his stuff but uh
this book man i want you to get it uh
okay it's by the kinis but it's called
this
the spiritual engineering of sacred
ecstasy
oh and so what do you think that sounds
good together what
you know spiritual engineering
of sacred ecstasy by the kinis it's by
him and his wife
and so
i've seen a couple videos i've had a
friend of mine put me on to it
and um what he's talking about they call
it i don't like the name
but they call it spiritual cooking
and what they mean and i don't like the
name because uh my first introduction to
that is a negative conversation
something called spirit cooking
illuminati it was crazy stuff but anyway
he the guy doesn't
know nothing about that he went with the
um
um tribes in in africa and and
some other places he traveled the world
and and checked out their spiritual
practice and them
tapping into the spirit and getting
filled with what you know
we would call the holy spirit in church
right but um
there's some some things that he he's
found on
on how to do it um and
it's about speaking in tongues it's
about
getting into a big part of it is about
he's big on rhythm finding the rhythm
whether that's a rhythm with words that
you're making up that's a
rhythm maybe with a beat boxing that's a
rhythm with
stomping and clap and
finding that rhythm and then actually
your spirit
getting into that rhythm and um
there's like there's there's uh
almost tutorials and then there's
there's like the the philosophy of
um of who you are in in that place and
how connected you are
to to the creator and uh and how to
facilitate that
and as you're reading it and as you you
can identify with with some things that
that they're talking about because
you've
felt it in in church you felt yes in
your own
quiet time in your own prayer time and
things like that and so
it's been really interesting to kind of
go down that path and i want to i want
to reach out to him
soon he's in new orleans he's up in new
orleans
yeah and i was just up in new orleans
about three weeks ago
no so i would i would recommend checking
out
his book check him out he's up on kindle
i just saw it so i'm gonna have to get
that
and i've been checking out this book uh
called the physics of god
by joseph selby and so this cat is a
physicist
science scientist and he
talks about uh some similar concept
in what he describes as he calls it
the um the science
of religious practice the science of
religion and basically he's saying
these things such as the meditation the
the dancing the rhythms and all of those
that
kind of take carry us away that spirit
us away
all of those type of things he said
they're found in all of these type of
traditions or practices or uh uh
or disciplines uh to to to enter into
that state of connected connection with
the divine
and so that within itself is a
discipline or a science and i thought
wow that's an
interesting way to look at it you know
one of the interesting things i love how
you talk about the rhythm and all of
this and now
tell me your take on this this has been
one of my things that i've been playing
with in the back of my mind
uh we are all um
like think of the fact that we started
out as
what they call it a zygote you know the
the the you know the the first
like the amoeba you know we were we were
this you know mixture of sales and the
cells moved against or
moved in a certain way that caused them
to
spread and grow right
i i've been playing with this idea of
even like dance
and rhythm and finding patterns
that open us up just like a cell
it's almost like wiggling to you expand
are moving in a certain way till you
expand
or gathering friction to the friction
changes the energy and then there is
expansion
and that happens over and over and over
and
all nature and all creation
so that when we in a place of just
through chanting when we just by
like i was in prayer this morning and i
remember doing some reading where
it said you know the whole idea of
chanting is what it does to your mind
that gets you in that state
you can simply chant a e i o u
and if you do it with intention chanting
a
e i o u with intention boom
it expands yeah and it opens you up yeah
you know me and i've talked about this
like with it with the analytical mind
like i'm
because we get into the spirit and we
start speaking in tongues
and and for me i've had a lot of cases
where i
i it's pentecostal you're going to keep
going with tongues you're just going to
keep going but but like
a tongue on a rhythm where you repeat
the same thing
and it almost sounds like a a native
american chant
yes let's just give the the example a i
a
e i o u a e i o u
a e you know you kind of tap it into it
your you're kick-starting
with with that so anyway for me i start
writing that stuff down and trying to
translate it
you know what i'm saying and the
interesting thing though
a buddy of mine who who follows this
guy's work he said yeah you don't do
that i say no
when i do that like interesting messages
come through
yeah you know that it's it's a lot of
times just like i've never heard anybody
say when i heard you say that on the
podcast i was like
now see that's dope yeah that's just the
analytical mind you let's say where does
this stuff come from
like it comes to writing it down and
turning it into a
chant or a roll call or something like
that um
but it's in and i don't know if you i'm
sure you heard the other podcast where
we're kind of talking about this but
he starts the guy start we start
watching videos of this guy
and yes i saw that and then the same
thing that the lady is saying is
something that came to
us or me intuitively during our sunday
morning
breath work session you go in like
there's levels i go in
and this stuff comes up and there's
there's even levels to that there's just
like a little
there's like some i don't know there's
just deep levels
jesus talked to rivers it's rivers it
comes out
in a trickle it comes out in a flowing
river and it's just
you and you just experi you sit there
and watch it you
you're experiencing it you're witnessing
it so yeah
i love it let me know if uh the guests
can hear us on i think i'm got you
unmuted now let me know if you can hear
us
call it from 317. i'm trying to get
these phone lines working
if you're there with this maybe not
okay maybe not oh we're so close bro now
i want to hear what you got to say
someone please call in just so i can
make sure this is working because i had
to go back to the drawing board y'all
that's a lot of technology
somebody call the number and just say
hello just say god bless you
uh the number 609 six three
five five seven seven call in i wanna
make sure that this is working
if not we'll have to use a different
service paying for a service that
doesn't work
uh-oh see so yeah
but um let's see i remember talking
about the speaking in tongues me and my
wife
you know i've been doing ministry for
years like i said i gave my life to
christ
at 16 uh or rather in uh 14
15 well just turned 13 to 14. 16 i went
to bible school
and uh oh is he on there yo
we got a caller from sherman texas
not sherman texas sherm town
well they dropped he dropped yeah well
we heard it it was working right it was
a crazy echo though we heard it
maybe they had maybe they were still
listening let's see
we're gonna get these this these
children's technology
trying to get it figured out so
okay so alex i think alex is trying to
call back
alex call us back hey are you with us
alex
yo can you hear us hear you alex
yo yo
alex i think we can hear them but they
can't hear us
that might be it three up call her from
307
can you hear us from uh riverington
can you hear me yo what up yeah
hello hello hey we hear you
hear me yeah can you hear us is it echo
hello hello
unmuted yo can you hear me
muted there we go i can hear you now can
you hear me
i think you're listening are you
listening to us on the podcast
you might be watching the podcast trying
to talk to us
and he's got to pull it down turn it
down
yeah you might have to mute the podcast
and hear us on the phone if that'll work
all right can you hear me now
we can't hear you can you hear us back
he's just he's talking to us on the
podcast like he's watching oh i think
i'm
muted
yeah he said yeah
wow yeah i can only hear you from the
podcast
turn the podcast
okay
let's see
yeah i can only hear you on the podcast
what about now
i don't know i have to wait for the
delayed reaction
okay why don't you why don't you ask
your question and then hang up and then
we'll
we can go from your question i think he
was just calling in to test it for me
that's adam i can tell from his voice
okay yeah that's adam
adam starseed huh i guess we're not
coming through on the phone lines we
should be though that's the weird thing
um let me let me just try one more thing
which i don't think it'll hmm strange
because if we're connected in here it
should be
anyway that's not
there's somebody calling somebody
calling from mobile
mobile and then they
hung up
unmuted yo what about now what about now
hello hello hello that might have been
it
check check check i'm hearing an echo
though
you're hearing i don't hear anything
hello yo yo yo
yo yo yo we got three yo's
hey can y'all hear me we can hear you
man
pretty cool this is
johan d villamonte hey what's up
what's up baby
trying to figure it out i'm listening to
the podcast
and at the same time i'm calling from
the same
phone first time
you gotta turn the podcast off you gotta
talk to us on the phone if it works
okay that's what we gotta figure out
let's see i'm gonna unmute that
muted okay cool what about now yeah i
can hear you guys now
just from the phone because i wasn't
sure if i was gonna hear y'all
from just the podcast unmuted but i
think i can hear you now from the phone
line
which is cool can you you can hear me
right now
right now yeah i can hear you okay see
it's perfect
great thank you for helping us get
through this
awkward segment
yeah my pleasure i can imagine it can be
frustrating at times with dealing with
technology and trying to figure it all
out
yeah yeah we're here so where are you
calling from johan
i'm calling from dunlap tennessee
dunlap tennessee drove i've driven
through it
how nice plenty of country i'm at the
top of the of a mountain called fredonia
mountain
right those are the mountains i remember
driving through there
late at night coming from dallas going
up to
uh detroit and we decided to take a sh
like what we thought we didn't have any
clue of geography but we was like
man i'm looking on the map we can just
go straight this way
through mountains
oh those are the best type of trips
sightseeing and just being blessed
by the people and just the environment
the panorama definitely a lot of good
shots
oh that's cool that's awesome thank you
for
uh sharing what you had to share today
in just a beautiful conversation between
you both
it's uh really resonated with me it's
it's uh
your background is just uh pretty
inspiring from an artistic
point of view and from the ministry
point of view
with the mystical side of things which i
believe is
true christianity so i loved it loved it
well thank you man thank you for coming
through and thank you for hanging out
and thank you for being who you are
i think the truth is there are a lot
more
mystics than uh
conventional christianity reports
um and there are a lot more on the rise
who just simply have to exercise who and
what they are
you know so yeah it's it's a lot of us
crazy ones out here
the crazy will be the new normal soon
yeah he already is
it already is hey man i've seen one of
your comments a while ago
when we're talking about hip hop and
just kind of like going through these
levels and stuff and you mentioned paul
washer
and how paul washer kind of like opened
up to
christian hip-hop do you want to talk
about that i remember that video
that where he actually had cross
movement or the creator of those guys on
yeah yeah man i got you know a funny
story i got introduced into you might
say a deeper relationship with god
through his testimony videos and
uh i got into his work like a while back
until like back in 2017. you know a
little world bank before that
and uh so i got into reform baptist
theology
and you know i remember that video i was
like cool you know and
when he meets ministries vouch for it
you know you you admire him give him
some respect from where you're at at
that moment and
they're like okay if this is cool then
you know and at the same time i'm
dealing with
uh music because you know you got that
side of religion that says
no you should only listen to a certain
type of
music that that pleases the lord
and so seeing those type of comments was
actually
from the inside it was kind of actually
quite alleviating right and uh yeah
anyway uh that it was those testimonies
of some
ministers like that that even though
they're you know more on the
cessationist side of things but at the
same time there was that yearning for
more of the spirit
more of the deeper things of god and
anyway
fast forward just like looking back at
it it's like wow
it's amazing how you know you see like
the
like the scary pouring out some desires
and ex expanding some points of view
it's like the saying yeah you can
explore
on these areas you know it's like
you know because i don't know if it's
like these genres these
specific music genres that have been
and and so it's attributed as this is
the devil's right
and and and nowadays like you might say
we've sanctified it
because of all uh and also due to the
vouching of ministers like paul wash or
john piper
now like uh there's a christian rapist a
thing right even amongst conservative
circles
so i i feel that uh that's pretty
interesting seeing the dynamic of how
that goes
now of course christian mystic
rap hip-hop which i see i only got into
your work uh
derek about maybe about a year or two
now
it's but it was brand new to me even
though i see that you've been in the
scene for quite a while now
so it's interesting i feel like
eventually one
when one is ready to open up oneself to
new venues of expression for worship or
just expression of authentic self
true self then it eventually finds
itself to you right
i yeah i find that uh i look back i look
back at those videos
and i find it quite interesting of uh
how there's been like breadcrumbs right
along the way to where we're at right
now
musically speaking yeah yeah when the
student is ready the teacher will appear
man and
that's the beautiful thing i think was
google like we don't have to like
i say proselytize but we just put it out
there
and listen if you want to find christian
rap there's
so let's just use an example i uh i
interviewed the guys from destiny lab
one of the guys two weeks ago and so
they do
christian rap but it's it's kind of like
my style a little bit they're definitely
getting into you know
fringe topics in christian but they're
like a hard christian stance i'll say
that
and uh but even with their titles they
have christian rap
actually if you go to their website
their their website is labeled the best
best christian rap music so they're
trying to get in front of people
who are googling best christian rap
music right so they're in front of that
so
versus them having to be on street
corners handing out cds
calling pastors asking can i come to
your church and perform all this kind of
thing
you just leave it up to google for you
to type in christian rap
and hopefully you're gonna run across
their music why because you're looking
for christian rap
and so i guess the same way with song
titles and
youtube tags or google tags or these
naming podcasts certain things that
you're going to look
into those things and and find you know
what we got going on and and you can
resonate with it you stick around
you buy a cd or listen on you know
amazon or spotify or whatever the case
is and
it's really cool you know we we we find
what we're looking for but i guess that
act of finding it is always
interesting interesting i'm always
interested
in how people found me you know and why
do they listen
because i wear so many hats is it like
there's some people because
my testimony my love for god my love for
worship and creating an
atmosphere and then so they resonate
with that part of me others it's
you know the mystical side or some
people are here just for music they
don't give a
care of crap about any of the podcasts
and these discussions
they comment when's new music wins new
music and they all they message me
when's the music and that's why they're
here so
i'm always interested in wearing all of
the hats like how did someone find my
work
to know what's effective too and what
what they're resonating with i guess
right well you know it's um
looking back uh when i first got uh i
came across your work i actually came to
an interview with with joe hodges
because i was you know uh i guess
it served its purpose uh those
conversations of
the deeper things of god yet
within the christian realm iraq is one
kind of fears of what's out there
uh exploring and whatnot you only
you only put yourself
on the like behind those that have
explored a bit
but still bear the name of christ you
know
but what when i came across your work
and i gotta admit i first like uh i
really resonated with me but then i
came across all those interviews with
psychics and mediums now
and bam like all these their flags which
is just a triggering right
but then but then i'm like no no
let's uh let's look at the context let's
see let's let's look at
the heart of the intent and i started
listening a bit more and i realized hey
this is just uh opening you know
conversating with people
it doesn't necessarily mean that you
know he's agreeing with all of them
but then even along the way you realize
you start to see christ
right in and as all you started even
though they do
do not bear the name of christ hey i'm a
jesus follower or you know
the father or the christian terminology
but you start just seeing the fruits
like right like it says in romans like
they're gentiles they do by nature they
think of the law without them even you
know
knowing they're doing it so i guess
that's been freeing in a sense like you
know
it's like you you now
look at people you see you identify the
father
when they follow the path of love and
and that's been quite freeing so thank
you for that
for your ministry in that sense and uh
it's been quite free and liberating you
know through the renewing of the mind
it's been great it's been a great
journey awesome yeah and
those that scripture really you know um
was a big part of my awakening you know
that the gentiles
by nature are keeping the law and they
don't even know it
you know what i'm saying and so they're
they're they're showing love to one
another they're
taking care of they're not killing
killing each other they're not
robbing cheating or stealing which is
like this is the commandments and
and and it breaks it down and god has
written his law upon our hearts and
for those who are without you know those
who aren't jews or
those who aren't christians but you see
them you know
bearing fruit which is really
interesting and so that was a big debate
like
unbelievers can't bear spiritual fruit
it's false fruit not like no
i want to partake of that fruit like
they're really good people
they love me for who i am they don't
judge like listen you guys have hoops
that i have to jump through
and if i miss if i trip up on one of
those hoops i'm done you're ready to cut
my head off
this person doesn't care what i believe
in and just loves me for me
so there's a lot that you guys can learn
and i started to see that and that was
jesus man you know
and people who are unbelievers or don't
share the same
you know theological breakdowns whether
they're christians or
or lack thereof you know
yeah yeah for sure um you know i
it's uh tying this back to the uh
to the to the tongue to the language of
tongues from what you were discussing a
little while back
um you know um i
i guess you might say this is the
question
or maybe just an observation on i know
however it flows
this uh so a while back like about a
year or so ago i list
i heard from this christian mystic uh
from india
you've probably heard of maybe maybe not
you know his his background was i guess
in the
denominational denomination that i grew
up in which is
which was seventh-day adventist and
his journey kind of helped my journey
saying oh cool somebody
that came from my background is where
he's at right now after going to similar
things you know just
looking at scripture being open to the
spirit and just
and just going with the flow with what
father is saying right and
the gifts of the spirit and whatnot um
the in the language of tongues you
mentioned regarding uh
sometimes just being caught up in the
syllable
you know that has maybe expounding like
a
layers of meaning according to you know
the interpretation as it comes
you checked it out in in whatever venue
translation venue you used
right um i remember like
listening to an illustration of how like
even in the
human languages you know like for
example
the asian uh dialects uh chinese
cantonese japanese etc like sometimes
like uh the same vowel or the
type of sound might have
different meanings by how it's
pronounced
by how uh it's enunciated right
so i remember hearing from the christian
mystic
from india a couple years back he gave
up
a deep expounding on the the science of
tongues
and i was like that's interesting you
know because i as like as i started like
experiencing like a couple years back
you know because i came from very
conservative background and then
bam you know charismatic uh not
necessarily going to meetings or whatnot
it was more in the privacy of my own
home and just
listening to different teachings and
just kind of this i saw in scripture
well you know the language of the spirit
okay
and you know and i realized that
actually i have been practicing things
for a long time and not even
realizing it until somebody say hey i
think you already have very gifted songs
right we don't
they were praying for me because i'm
like i'm gonna receive it
i'm like no you already have it i was
like really that's why sometimes i just
like
um spontaneously we just uh playfully
you know just
speak gibberish of what i thought was
your vision you know it's like somebody
else
that's me but i was watching a light
language video yesterday
from a guy who's not a christian maybe
he grew up christian i don't know
but they get into light language and
listen i could feel the intention that
he was sending and it was
beautiful it was amazing shout out to
beat
me the rapper is his name and he was on
tick-tock and he's just like
it sounds a little bit different right
they could because they're from a
different culture they're not from
church culture right it's a different
culture so uh but but you can feel it
right he's speaking from his heart
his spit not his heart but his spirit is
coming through his heart and out of his
mouth
this vibrational frequency that he
wishes to push and and it's usually
something with
you know when you're when you're
ministering it's something with love and
compassion and god's
you know grace and beauty and those kind
of things that you're able to
to feel and so uh yeah it's uh bypassing
the intellectual mind
and having your spirit pray through you
as the scripture even talks about
you know um right are you guys
familiarized with heart math research
institute
they talk a lot about the heart i'm
wondering how that ties in you know
the mechanics of it uh
eugene peterson who wrote the message
you know he did the translation of
scripture he wrote another book
that's called the contemplative pastor
and he talks about what he calls it
heart language he actually was started
out as a pentecostal
pastor and uh he kind of crossed the
board uh
denominationally pastored in different
denominational settings and uh so he
talks about
language as heart language the first
language we all learn
is the language of the heart and we were
celebrating giving example we were
celebrating my
my my uh great aunt as i was saying this
past weekend
and uh one of the things that my aunt is
just
she is a genius at is she loves to talk
baby talk
and all of us she's 87 years old
so she basically everyone that was in
the room says one degree
she has talked baby talk to us while we
were babies
and so we all laughed about it now my
sister of course brought the fact
in a completely different way to say you
know what uh
and viola she's changed the diapers of
every person in this room
and it's true yeah so from both sides
she's touched
both expressions both homes she's she's
connected with but for talking about the
baby talk
she is so good is that she could sit
there and talk baby talk to a baby and
the baby looks up and captures
and is like identifying with what she's
saying
from the heart and it made me think
you know any expression that we get
scripture
doctrine theological stance
any word or of divine is simply
baby talk of the divine
okay and and that's why others may not
understand the depth of it and all the
theological treaties that we bring
we think that are so deep uh i think it
was august
augustus or augustus not aquaintest
that said uh all of the books that i've
written like at the end of his life he
said
in comparison to a real experience with
god
all of it is gibberish all of it is baby
talk
and so when you think of speaking in
tongues and how tongues just like derek
says
it bypasses the intellect one of the
things i think that they've done some
research
and richard rohr talks about this how
that when
you do speak in tongues and end up in
the actual
event of glossolalia you
you lose the sense of time
it like so if you've ever if you ever in
a point of speaking in tongues
if you purposely go into it it takes
your
mind off of being in
it it brings you into the present so
that's i guess that's the best way i'm
trying to say it brings you into the
here and now
right here right now uh tell you but
what either one of you guys think about
this i've played with this in my mind
for a while
not even just speaking in tongues but
actually in a meditative state
thinking in tongues
you ever thought about that thinking in
tongues
yeah so i'm not the only crazed one okay
cool
you're good to confirm yeah yeah wow
how does that relate with like the
energetic the opening of the energetic
nerve centers or the chakras some call
it
you know that's uh yeah i'm wondering
also the mechanics of that
how that works especially as as you
maybe
the first time that one is speaking on
that
spiritual language right uh you know
what when
in the charismatic apps that you know
they call being born again
and they start speaking out in tongues
maybe as a child
you know when they're speaking gibberish
the intention you know even though they
you cannot enunciate the word sending
them of themselves
but the intention you know you know
it's uh it's there maybe they literally
naturally always had it
since birth but you know eventually uh
you learn your culture's language and
somewhere along the way also the
conditionings the
traumas you know sometimes the energetic
nerve centers are
closed and i'm wondering as they opened
up
how that flows uh what does that look
like
if it's you know because sometimes it
comes out as groans
you know uh how does that look like
when you're or whether you're praying
from your heart or
is it all connected all seven chakras
or other specific points that
that are utilized or
focused on as whether when you're using
your prayer
language or just spontaneous worship
any of you have any thoughts on that
i'll i'll say just with the shocker
thing to make it really easy
that for me though you know i say this a
lot those represent
different areas and aspects of your life
to know that
what what your root chakra represents
what your gut
represents you know what what your
throat shopper
chakra chakra represents speaking your
truth your third eye
the crown of your head receiving light
how connected to you all this
to you from the spirit realm and so even
when you're ministering to people you
know we'll
intuitively put our hands on their body
or wherever they're having pain in their
body like if they're having pain in
their
a headache i'm not going to like touch
their hand and administer
you know what i'm saying so you put your
hand on that that place
uh where where the energy is and so for
me when it comes to
having your your chakras in alignment it
is about having every
area of your life into submission and to
the obedience of christ which is love
everything is flowing there you're not
caught up you're not addicted to
pornography
you're not a glutton to your food you're
not afraid to speak your truth
you're not foggy in the spirit realm you
can't like not
see clearly in the spirit you're not
hearing god you know so to have
everything in alignment everything uh
you know lined up so for me when we talk
about your chakras being
in alignment and those kind of things
that's what it represents for me so
um yeah if you're speaking in tongues
and you're praying
you and you need help in those areas i
would definitely think that you would be
getting some
attention you know in those energy
centers of of the body that's what they
represent there's
you know the chakras and then there's
other places too um
which kind of correlate with the chakras
a little bit the the base of the spine
the back of the neck the top of the head
you know those kind of things so i
definitely see the similarities there
i can see them too i have been uh
looking at something and i'm look really
considering uh
placing it in this this project the
sacred home i haven't written the whole
thing
but i have been in a deep deep dive and
study
with these you know the lord's prayer
that and we call it the lord's prayer it
really was i mean if you want to go to
the lord's prayer you need to go to John
17.
but the disciples prayer that the lord
spoke and taught the disciples
uh in matthew like fifth chapter of
five and six uh and there's also in luke
that's a seven-fold prayer and what's
interesting about that is that the
essenes
would pray that seven-fold prayer so
jesus of course
john the baptist was a scene jesus being
connected with that tradition
was something that he picked up and kind
of modified
but that seven fold to me
also touches the seven energy centers
and so i've been in this deep steady and
deep dive of
actually doing a they a lord's
prayer uh aligning alignment
with the energy centers with the chakras
and so
yeah i think that's all connected i do
and have you um have you i'm sure you
have
uh but have you read that in aramaic in
the in the terminology of
vibration and those and cosmos and
things have you read that
no please man i'm trying to i'm trying
to find the right one um
because it seems like the the original
blew up and i feel like they're sharing
it everywhere
but maybe this is it the nazarene wait
okay this is the one the lord's prayer
um let me make sure it's the one because
there's a few different versions
but um the prayer to our father
um oh father from whom the breath of
life comes
it fills all realms of sound light and
vibration
may your light be experienced in my
utmost holiest
your heavenly domain approaches right
your kingdom come so your heavenly
domain approaches let your will come
true in the universe
which is all that vibrates just as it is
on earth
all that is material and dense give us
wisdom
understanding assistance for our daily
need detach the fetters of our faults
that bind us
karma it says like like we let go
of the guilt of others let us not be
lost
in superficial things materialism common
temptations
but let us be free from that which keeps
us off of our true
purpose for from you comes all the
working
will the lively strength to act the song
that beautifies
and renews itself from age to age sealed
and trust in faith and truth
amen there's a couple different versions
but they're really similar another one
says
o birther father mother of the cosmos
focus your light within us make it
useful create your reign of unity now
through our fiery hearts and willing
hands help us love beyond our ideals
and this is just very similar you know
wording to uh just getting into
the deepness of it so definitely check
that out so one of these is from the
gospel of the holy 12 i don't know if
you've
heard of that book yeah that's one i've
i've checked out back in the day
that's nice man that's nice i just think
it lines up
it's poetic i had a question
go ahead yes sir yeah
yeah yeah uh tiny back to like the
vibrational hum
from where brother freddie is sharing um
where does one um comment
with regards to chanting
or just merely uh vibrating in a place
of student stillness
or quantantic expression is it
is it just does it start on the
intention i'm sure does
but does does my mind go or maybe my
mind doesn't go
maybe just for my spirit right does it
is it just um
uh intention plus um where does that
commence like when you're about to
intentionally go in and
and start expressing or chanting or
or coming if you will
truth well much of it much of it it
starts with the intention
uh one of the things that i've been
doing uh
uh is uh breathing
and breathing without my voice
so in other words breathing
intentionally
without engaging my vocal cords
to do a hum and then when i actually
initiate a hum intentionally and
with intention and awareness initiate a
hum
right and then as i initiate the hum
then allow that home to resonate and
grow
and grow and grow and it has just taken
me places it's just been powerful
wonderful
and so it it starts with an intention
the intention from intention to actually
engagement when you actually initiate
and say
now do it and and just i would say
experience that or experiment with it
work with it do it
and uh you know some of this we could
you know somebody talked about
theology systematic theology almost
being like uh dissecting a frog that
you can dissect all the parts and say
okay so this is the leg this is the lung
this is the liver
but the problem that you have is because
you've dissected it
and pulled it apart it's no longer a
frog
it's no longer that it's no longer
integrated
it's no longer able to jump up and hop
away so what are you
looking at different pieces of flesh
that are separated
and so the holistic and what so
basically what i'm saying
uh is that uh acts practice with it
because it it it comes like the wind
it it comes and goes when it and how it
wants
and and it knows you very well
so there will be some times where you do
it without initiating
but you have the intention there will be
the time that you initiate and you're
doing it and doing it and doing this
and and the wind says i'ma wait till he
gets to the 50th time
and i'm going bam hit him right there
and what if you're doing
think about this what if you did it to
about 47 and a half
and then just walked away from it and
saying this thing don't work
i wonder if sometimes god looks at us
and says that vessel don't work
i need to try another vessel it go
fred it goes back to what we talked
about the formulas
you know yeah like um that formula we
were given formulas right but but
another formula is the exact opposite of
what we're saying
you know because so it it is going with
intention right now i'm gonna
press through and i'm gonna i'm gonna
get this vibra i feel
weird i feel like all the word curses
that people have i've been reading
gossip about me people have
been doubting me and nothing's working
and i feel it i can feel it on me
the intention is to get it off and so
you enter in with that i need to get
this off me
so i'm gonna go in through tongues i'm
gonna go in through the meditation right
so you're entering with the intention
versus on the other side
you're like the opposite of that is like
i'm just gonna open up god whatever you
have for me
you know whatever you have i'm ready to
experience it so i'm open for whatever
come whatever made but always preface it
with that
i don't like is there any spirits here
that want to communicate i don't do that
i say father
but father if they are here lord they
got to come through you whatever you
have for me i'm open
so if god wants me to experience it
you got to come through him first you
know what i'm saying so to direct my
past because the path of the righteous
are ordered by the lord so
there's nothing that's going to approach
me or or that i'm going to experience
in those realms uh that's going to scare
me or possess me or any of those kind of
things you know so
the uh both is true entering in with
intention being single-minded this is
the job we're going to get done we're
going to get that thing off of you
or hey we're going to explore together
and end up
finding a facet of god that we never
knew existed we're able to experience
his heart
we've been there you know those are the
best you know but both of them are
are ever true yes they are
i like the part that you said about uh
just uh making sure that i'm i'm
you know allowing and saying i'm asking
the father
to send everything my wife and i we have
a joke of
you know we love music and so bruno mars
and anderson pack have a new song out
called i'm gonna leave the door open
beautiful song right
great song romantic song it's for lovers
man
i'ma leave the door open so you could
just come on over anytime
and i said baby i don't really know if i
i'm really with that song because
i ain't leaving the door because
anything could just come in with it
what if i'll leave you i'm gonna give
you the password
i will give you the password and i will
stay
secure because everything needs to come
through one door
i don't need anything and everything and
uh that's our joke but yeah
true true indeed man you definitely
uh you you you'd be surprised and i
think you've got to
be open that sense of awe when we say
all all
really is and when we think of fear and
trembling that is
movement uh all to the point of movement
and when you have that all to the point
that it emotes you it moves
you then god's like i'll come in and
move you
i'll move you he likes to show out man
you know he's a creator
i mean the the revelation is so deep and
we're because we're creators too
who do we get it from that's right you
get it from a mama
like that's right i get it from my dad
man
he created realms of galore and angels
and weird beings and
essences and he wants me to to marvel he
wants to show me
just like just like fred just like this
connection that we have about my music
i don't get to talk hey man what'd you
think about it bro really
you notice i use that word a lot wow
dude nobody else tells me about that
you did god is the same way
listen i've created these realms that
many people are scared to venture into
would you think
would you think did you like it that was
you blew my mind father
oh my god i never knew i never knew this
was a thing
thank you for allowing me to experience
this god is a creator and he wants
he wants us to experience he wants to he
wants to paint the sky he wants to
he's created the mountains and creation
and beauty and
you know awe and wonder that is what a
creator
wants you to to experience it and even
the the hidden stuff
too yeah you know the hidden stuff
everybody looks at a
sky you know what i'm saying like but
not everybody sees the same thing
when they look at it you know people we
look at clouds some people see
images and clouds prophetic messages in
the clouds
you know and other people ah it's just a
just a water vapor man
stars i gaze at the star and i guarantee
you i see different things and
in stars and then most people you know
my connection and what i've
studied in in my heart and it's just
amazing
i love stargazing and uh but not
everybody he just bypasses oh another
star
mixing those away yes
you know well
that i'd love to encourage somebody else
anybody else to do probably right now
that you're listening you i heard you
derek talk about uh
gazing at the sun uh early in the
morning you know before it gets up in
the noon you know but while it's down
still
close to that you know to to our level
horizontal lines
and how that just cleans i've been doing
that in meditation when i was nice
enough the weather's right
i'll go out and i'll just take some time
and just look at the sun
and of course i'm starting out squinting
i got squinting with eyes anyway
you know so i start out squinting but
before you know it long enough i get
still enough like the old i think it's
the asian analogy those that are in
meditation i think it's a buddhist in
the analogy of
when they're sit in a in a bucket
you know and you stir the bucket up all
of the soot is surrounded but
when you let that bucket set that water
set all of the soot
it it it calms down and goes and now you
can see that water
clearly in the same way just allowing
just looking at that sun
realizing that all life as we know it
emanates from that one thing that i'm
looking at
and it's definitely uh everything is a
portal to god
yes your demons your angels your
setbacks your setups your victories your
failures
everything your son the grass i could
see him in it all
and that that is a portal to the father
um
the bible is goes deep into the lord is
a son and a shield
you know and a lot of early christian
mystics were sun
worshipers like they really understood
that without that i don't exist
and it's a whether it's an analogy or
it's literal
you know what i'm saying like without
him we don't exist without god your
light
and your love and your energy and your
vitamins and with everything that the
sun's giving us we don't exist
right and uh so being able to see him in
that and
i'll tell you something interesting and
i've mentioned this like when you're sun
gazing
when it gets to a certain height it's
going to start to burn your retinas
and it gets on here you can't gaze at it
for long you know
and again you know i talked about the
other day the analogy of
nobody can see god and live you know and
even
even paul was blinded by the radiance of
christ and
um if you look at the sun it can it can
mess your eyes up you know and so um
while sun gazing a lot of times and i
don't do this unhealthy
i guess i don't know what is actually
healthy but
to look at just glance at it and then
close your eyes
yeah and uh and you'll see a pinhole of
light yes and you look for the
the sizzle it's the same try to go into
it
try to go into the pinhole of light this
ain't the same
so yeah so the same thing happens in
meditation anyway it's a different light
that shows up right you know i always
talk about this green
light right comes and starts dancing and
right i'm trying to go into it i'm
trying to go i'm trying to make it
and eventually i do and it just starts
with waves and it just weighs
away and waves waves and i can see the
colors
and i'm going into this light and then
revelation and then
downloads and then higher self
communication
and for me that's it's not instant
you got to wait you got to tear it you
got to go in you got to make sure you
want it
hold on i'm going to catch you you're
going this way you're going i'm going
into it so
um try it with sun gazing as well
and you'll be able to see it i've i've
you know kind of gotten into it here
lately but just trying to like i miss
the sun gazing early and i'll catch it
at noon
and i'll just look at us i'm just going
i'm just going to glance at it i need
the energy i need the consciousness i'm
just going to clean i look up at it i'll
close my eyes listen i'll have
my retinas will be burned for like a few
days right
out and it's weird because that that the
pinhole
turns into a symbol you know me remember
i was talking about how like i try to
analyze it and the tongues i'm trying to
interpret the tongues
like i'm seeing runes i look at it
it's burnt every time i close my eyes
wait it's like a
flop it's like a fire it's a symbol it's
one symbol it doesn't change
it's one symbol and i've done it twice
already
and i don't know how healthy it is so
right you know
be careful interesting have you ever
checked out any of the android jones
stuff you know and the guy yeah it's
like that's what that reminds me of is
that you're right
it can come and there's been times that
i've been in prayer meditation and just
i focus on one point and then i i
intentionally propel
or or ask it to propel me
and then and like it goes and it goes
into these different portals
and ways and i think that that uh is
is definitely i think android jokes just
like what we talk about
lyrics just when we talk about art and
music
it's it's a snapshot it's a hint of the
divine
and it's like it's a portal it's guys
like yeah i'm giving you breadcrumbs
like johann said earlier i'm giving
breadcrumbs everywhere
like man of falling everywhere folks
look around and you will
see him he's here he is there with you
you could be looking at this youtube or
this
whatever discord this facebook a year
from now
he is there
long after us he'll be here yes indeed
yes indeed well listen man guys we've
been on here for a while we're doing uh
almost two hours and 40 minutes johan
bro thanks for the
for the call man and enjoyed uh and
chatting with you and feel free to call
in anytime you see us live i'll try to
open up these phone lines and uh
you know make this something uh that we
do regularly so
thanks for for connecting man much love
johan
thank you so much thank you brother fred
derek man love you guys be blessed and
thank you for
letting me be part of the conversation
hey thank you man
indeed yeah hey shohan
yeah um it's good stuff uh and i want
i want to say this listen we've gone two
hours and 40 minutes or
just about but we talked about fred's
music and all that kind of stuff fred's
raise the money right now to
uh produce this album uh he's got a huge
vision it's gonna be really good
and everybody has been able to benefit
just from your wisdom and even
pieces of your lyrics that you've shared
today and i already know that it's gonna
be good
and uh so you raise the money you have a
gofundme uh you have an easy way to get
to it talk about
raising the money really quick here at
the end let people know we're
right at we our goal is to do about six
thousand dollars uh
to get the music we want to get the
music we want to get the production and
all of that we're at about 1500 so i'm
really glad about that and that's going
good most folks say that they do a full
gofundme that's
you cap out at close to 15. and we've
already passed where we would usually
cap out at and we just started i haven't
even talked to
my you know so i got so many other
friends and
folks that have blessed me and been
great parts of my life
that they're like i want to do this and
so this is i'm excited about it so
uh there's ways that you can connect to
it really really simple
one of the most simple ways is you can
go to
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sacred
hum sacred home.com easy way to get to
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just do facebook slash sacred hum it's
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that i was able simply to get the the
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for it i got it and uh so now i'm
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either it's two ways either you can
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i know we can double it and triple it
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so i'm all amped up about that
so it's good man yeah please go out to
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and uh we'll talk more about meditation
and let's all just continue to build
that community
together uh i love what true secret what
you're doing on the sunday mornings man
that breath work
bro that is my church right now i'm
there
every sunday i can i love it i think
that more people
are going to gravitate to that dude more
people got that thing
right there that's where yeah yes sir
thank you man and thank you for
supporting
and and and uh and being a friend and
everything that you do man
and um make sure you guys support what
fred's got going on
um i donate it i'm backing it i'm
funding it
um and fred's also gonna be on my
upcoming project too so make sure you
guys get acquainted with his work and
what he's bringing to the table
so uh you're gonna start seeing him a
lot more so
with that being said man thanks fred for
coming on bro i know we can keep you
going and i want to but we got stuff to
do yeah we got stuff to do i got stuffed
i got
i got people waiting on me you're still
podcasting yes we're podcasting i'll be
there in a minute don't worry
right right my wife won't know me i want
to make 31.
i got to go hang out for sure all right
fred love you brother and i will come
back
man all right holler at you mate shalom
shalom
peace fred lynch ladies and gentlemen
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it's a good dude you guys like them i
love them
so make sure you check it out yep thanks
for
for watching everybody um there's a
question here someone someone says that
i look like
aquaman i'm a water disc band like
aquaman hey thank you for that
thank you he's a he's a really good
looking guy um
because people people uh call me out my
name a lot
you know and i do get aquaman it's funny
um
i get aquaman a lot um when we're
when we're in florida for some reason
at the um water parks and stuff a lot of
young kids
ask me am i am i to really think i'm
aquaman
and there's no way i'm like i look like
if he started just eating cheeseburgers
and gave up on himself
right then i look like that aquaman um
but i like that better than getting
the other stuff uh which is usually post
malone
it's post malone or aquaman hey you look
familiar
it's like which one is there like post
malone man what's up post malone
what's post malone doing on the podcast
what's post malone doing here and then
uh yesterday on on my uh
on a video somebody said what's masvidal
doing
rappin they said i look like mazvidal
which is jorge masvidal
uh who is the ufc fighter and i don't i
don't see it
maybe i don't know i said does he have
dreadlocks no
other people say you like a member of
corn i get that a lot you look like a
member of corn
so uh you know i like that better than
the post malone i don't like the post
malone one i don't feel like i look like
them
and that's a scruffy part i i don't know
but um
yeah so thanks for hanging out guys
we're going to keep opening up the phone
lines and um
it makes it fun man like to connect with
people and just
you know giving you guys a voice and
letting you guys call and pick our
brains and ask questions
you know why because um i used to do it
i used to do it like i used to just i
mean when i was going through my
spiritual awakening i stayed on podcast
not as a guest but as a
listener and then eventually people
would people i'd call
in with a question and then i would
start like teaching and sharing
experiences and stuff and i was just
really
looking for for uh people who have had
ex
similar experiences and i've uh i would
call in the podcast and they put me on
and i'd be hey
asking them these questions and we had
beautiful conversations and
or there was ufos or meditations or
whatever the stuff i was into i would
find those live streams
and call in and so i want to you know
be what i needed when i was going
through my awakening that's all this is
like you know fred again asked me why do
i do it listen at this point
i'm being what i needed when i was going
through spiritual awakening and
thought i was going crazy and i'm seeing
ufos and hearing voices and seeing
shadows and
synchronicities are lining up and i'll
say a phrase and it says it on the radio
then a
truck drives by by with the same phrase
on side of the
billboard of the truck and just crazy
stuff when this stuff
started becoming real i needed somebody
to talk to
and so i would call into all these these
shows and just ask
questions and i genuinely wanted to know
listen to coast to coast am
and listen i genuinely want to talk to
you and a lot of these people were big
name people or
so i thought and they seem unreachable
unless you called into coast to coast
but good luck calling in the coast to
coast
you'll never get through it the people
would stay on the phone for hours trying
to talk to somebody
um so i just wanted to pay that forward
you know and
you know be what i needed be that
version of myself for what i was looking
for so that's why this
podcast exists and that's why i would
like to open up the phone lines for
anybody to ask questions or just
somebody to say hello or
but uh the fear is what you know it
always happens in
part of the karma without somebody
screening the calls maybe we'll talk
about having a call screener soon
um there's some it costs money to get a
call screener or even pay for the
service
whether it's just people just jumping on
the air um there
it's about a hundred dollars a month to
to do a two-hour show to have that just
throwing that out there
um but people calling us are screaming
people call in and start cursing and
some of the earlier episodes we've done
where we
that's what we were we were a call in
show and just
had some really good conversations
connecting with people who would not
normally connect i didn't plan on having
a lot of guests people would call in and
and they call in every week you know and
they they became like
revolving members of the round table in
a sense and so
i want to go back to that again like
people are going to be calling cursing
screaming this is part of it
but um hey i used to do it and i
remember
being live and hey i can't take it
personal i can't take it personal
because i used to do it
yes i used to call in and prank radio
shows when i was a kid i would
i love the prank call uh every now and
then if you catch me in the
on the right in the right mood maybe
i'll do a prank call
and i haven't done it in a very long
time but i i like i like to make people
laugh i like to mess with people and so
i used to do that as a kid and so
it's funny that i did that now i'm older
and i have my own
show and people call in to this show
and prank me and not say prank they just
curse
like it's kind of it's not really smart
it's not really tactful
you know but uh but i did it and it's
called karma
and so i create a show and kids call in
and prank me so anyway phone lines will
be open i want to i'm going to keep this
going it's a lot of work so make sure
you guys take advantage of it i want to
hear your voice man
love you guys with that i'ma say peace
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