The Spirit of Authenticity Seeing Gog In All Chris Barszcz
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Ladies and gentlemen, God bless you all how we all doing,
and it's beautiful Black Friday.
having a great time. Just got back from an incredible vacation with my spirit tribe, friends,
and family. We went up to the mountains and had an incredible vacation. It's been a time with
family and just connecting, getting back to nature. So much fun. I went to Pigeon Forge,
Gatlinburg, had some much needed R&R, and then for Thanksgiving, we went to the Portuguese
Indian powwow here in Atmore, Alabama, or Porch, Alabama. Here you guys know I
talk about them. I'm from that that tribe, that band of Indians. I have that tattooed
on me as well, the Porch Creek Band of Indians, emblem tattooed on me, just some
back-and-foe. But I'm excited and delighted to be with you guys again, to be
back. Got a good show plan. Just going to be hanging out. This is one of those
shows where we get to hang out in the studio with a guest in studio. I've only done a couple
of these, actually, maybe one of these with a Dano, Dan Oscar Pinsky, and the person that I have
with me today as a guest, he's a friend of Dan Oscar Pinsky as well. Part of that spirit
tribe family. We're just hanging out, man, and you guys are just going to get to hear
somebody's conversation about our adventure. These last couple of days, and we're going to talk to
my buddy Chris Bars about his journey, where he's that right now, where he's come from.
It's going to be real interesting. So I'm going to go ahead and give a quick shout out to
first of all, everybody holding us down in the chat room as soon as we go live. You guys are
awesome man. You guys make this a lot more fun for us here. So if anybody has any questions,
the phone lines aren't working right now for some reason, but send us a message over there in the
chat on YouTube and we'll try to answer your questions and you guys are a part of
the show as well. So for we go any further, man, I want to say a huge thank you to
everybody who is supporting on Patreon, everybody who's given over there, it
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put these podcasts out, put out some awesome music, conscious mind expanding,
mind altering music that helps you connect with the realms unseen and some of
the places I've been on my journey I you know the music embodies it and so it's
cool that there's like a transfer of energy when people listen they're taking
the places like that as well very similar places and people are having their
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like, instead of doing like a thank yous and just big custom thank you, like you're going to get
to name in the next CD, like in the credit, so whatever.
I'm gonna give a shout out to everybody
who's supporting over there, I mean,
that's just a perfect model of giving.
So thank you guys for supporting my channel,
my work and everything that we're bringing to the table.
So before we go any further,
I gotta say a big thank you to one of the patrons
because Chris Bars, this guy here to my left in studio
He's been a day one brother, so ever since I put out Patreon and some of the other avenues
of giving and supporting man, he's been there supporting the music, supporting the vision
and dude, thank you man, really you and your wife, thank you from the bottom of my heart
for supporting us and going above and beyond with the vision dude, thank you so much man.
Thank you Derek, thank you so much because you are a big part of the path that I'm on right
now.
You and a lot of other people that I look up to are a big inspiration to where I'm at
right now.
It's a long time coming, a lot of trusting in myself and in Source and it's been a long
journey man and I'm just really thankful to be here with you and to just enjoy all these
moments.
share the sacred space, man. It's cool because maybe we could talk a little bit about it because
you're a fan of my music, right? And so when we met, I don't know if it was a friendship came first
or a fandom came first or whatever, but you're definitely a fan of the music. I appreciate that.
But it's deeper than that because we're friends, we're brothers. We're on this journey together
And talk a little bit about like how we met and talk about further fast and all the experiences.
Okay. Yeah. Totally. Um, so I first heard of you through, uh,
Dan, like Dan, Dan, big shout out to you, Dan. What's up, bro? Um, like, you know,
I'm not really into rap at all. Like, I used to be really big into it. You know, back, um,
back when Eminem and, you know, jelly roll, I like jelly roll and all that stuff. But, uh,
Like just really wasn't into that, but anyways like I started like hearing your stuff because I always heard his stuff
You know, and I
Your flow that's what kind of drew me in there's the flow the beat obviously is just unbelievable
But what you spoke about it's like it kind of like
It's kind of like an experience that I think people go through and they don't like you know
I've heard you say it before like you don't have words for it, you know, like and that's kind of what happened to me
It's like your
What you spoke about in some of your songs is like experiences that I've gone through in my my life as as as a
Want to put a title to it's a Christian in that in that scene, you know, like I've had a lot of heard and a lot of good things come out of it
But anyway, it's back to meeting you like yeah, it was more of a fan like I grew into a fan because I just was I fell in love with your music
And
Believe it or not when we finally got the opportunity to come see you. Yeah, you can ask Nicole like I
The what do you call it the I told you already the when you call it a groupie like I kind of felt like a group because
I had a chance to have him in my car and he was practicing his music on the way to further
fast and but yeah man it was cool though like he just showed me hey I'm just another
human I'm just a brother I'm just a brother bro it's cool that you love me like that
but I'm just a brother and throughout these years that's just what it's been growing
into is more of a brother relationship of a really close good friend and I call you like
a good close brother like seriously it's awesome man it was funny it was funny when
you told me that you know that I'm riding in the car and you're like yeah dude I
was like really freaking out in my mind yeah part of the process and respect
the process every single part of it so we we just had this vacation and we
went together with spirit spirit tribe man you and your wife Nicole my family
me, my wife, my daughter, Naveya, Jeremy and Jessica and Kristy Lee, which you guys know
we do a show on Wednesday nights with Kristy Lee as well. So we all had a chance to kind
of go on vacation and spend some time in nature and hiking and stuff and it was also
beautiful. And then yesterday we went to the poetry
and we were able to, both of us for the first time, try Hoppe.
So it's tobacco from Peru, and you blow it up your nose,
and you take it in ceremony, and it helps you feel more connected
with nature, more in tune with things that are going on.
And we did that yesterday for the first time,
and some actually right before we went live,
live and it's a beautiful feeling it's so shot out to
Cory my brother Cory third eye opener for sending me the
links on how to how to get that stuff is a beautiful
experience man do you want to talk about that a little bit
at all just sure because like a lot of people have never
tried I never tried it before so this is my first time he
talked to me about a little bit started doing my research
like to figure out what's it all about and stuff and kind of
just you know not just take his own word for it but to look for
myself you know and you know I just think there's really nothing wrong with it
and people were just getting it to ground into your closer to me it's closer
to spirit you know and yesterday when we got there and we got to do that it was a
really cool experience because I've never really experienced anything like
that like to see all these people coming together you know from all over the
nation you know like and to hear these Indians how they were just all like you
know they were loving on everybody like like how I love on people like and I
honestly I don't I only researched what I researched so I don't know that much
about the Indian like all that stuff so it was like really beautiful to me he
did a beautiful beautiful prayer that I was really like connected with because
he like he threw in the name Jesus and then I'm just like oh wow like oh these
dudes believe in Jesus Christ too yeah I think it's amazing like I just thought
It was an amazing experience, I've never experienced anything like it.
So I guess that kind of bridges the conversation, because we're going to go back into your
story a little bit and just pull things out here and there and mine too, because obviously
it's very similar, especially even the people who are watching this are listening to this
now have a similar story about most of us coming out of Westernized Christianity, right?
So I think there's a parallel there where we're talking about them praying to the great
spirit thinking the Creator God and seeing God in nature and his hand working in
everything. And then they throw in the name Jesus at the precious Son Jesus at the
end of the prayer. And it's very reflective of where we are with our spirituality.
And so that's kind of what we try to name this episode essentially is like going
coming from Christianity and having a foundation of Jesus, of having an
encounter with God through the person of Jesus, right? And that's our
foundation. And everything's built on top of that. But there's many places that
we've been, we've went and we're going that venture outside of the four
walls of the church. And this person of Jesus or the spirit of Jesus, we're
seeing in all things and in everything. And most don't even use that word. Some get offended
when we use that word. But the presence and power of love, which is Jesus manifested,
is what we're seeing in everything. So as we see them bringing Jesus into the Native American
indigenous cultures, we may go to some type of spirituality, into meditation and metaphysics and
and esoteric breakdowns and knowledge and ETs and things like that, just we're not afraid
to approach those subjects and bring Jesus into those subjects, right?
So talk a little bit about that, how, you know, just a little bit about where you came
from with your past and stuff, too, to tie it into where you are now with bringing Jesus
wherever you go.
Okay.
So yeah, I was raised in Christianity, that religion I was, I was so called saved.
in 1999, I believe, you know, and kind of just went down that ballgame of being in the church
and trying to get close into the church, you know, because my family, they still are to this day,
close to the church and all that. And like trying to get my personal experience with God,
and I really didn't get, but maybe a few things that were personal to me on my own level,
you know, I used to have epilepsy seizures when I was a kid. And this is where my faith
and Jesus began really, you know, because I said the prayer did not go to hell, you know,
with my mom and all that, like, how old were you?
Well, at first I was five, and I went to one of those heaven and hell, and then heaven's
gates hell.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
And then when I was ten or eleven, that's when I really said the prayer and I felt like
I meant it for my heart and everything, but I did it to still, you know, I didn't want to
go to hell.
Um, yeah, I used to have epilepsy seizures. Uh, took a medicine forward. Everything
Diagnosed with it. Uh, I had three or four of them. I think in my life
But anyways, that's where I had my encounter because I went I was still going to those like
Heaven's hell gate things and trying to get healed from it. You know because I just thought well
Maybe if the preacher could preach me I'll get that touch like Jesus, you know
I'll accept a Jesus in my heart every time actually. I remember yeah, just every single time
But it never it never worked because I still have my still take the medicines and it wasn't so my mom she'll tell you she went to Benny
Hinn and
She had an experience like if you know they do the praying and all that and she had she went in my behalf or whatever
So she she
She says that because of that you know that that's why I was healed
But I really believe that it was because I
Personally one day just believe you know what
What's taking, what's taking the step of faith?
Like, you know what's taking the step of faith?
All right, I'm gonna put these pills to the side.
I'm gonna stop, I'm not gonna take these pills no more
because they no longer serve me, no more.
And doing that showed me that I was having my faith.
Like, you know, like, cause I'm put in taking something
I'm so used to and now I'm taking it away, away from me.
And I'm noticing that, you know, that was,
that's really my personal step of faith.
And I watched how, right, when I did that,
it was a difference.
I felt different.
You know, it don't get me wrong.
I went through a thing like pill withdrawal
because I was always taking that for years.
There was a time I actually,
I went through the pill withdrawal.
It was making my mouth all like,
that kind of thing.
And that's a center for seizures.
And anyways, I went to my mom and I started freaking out.
And I was like, mom, mom,
think I'm gonna have another one.
And then I started like repenting right away.
Like, you know, I just wanna let you know.
was looking at porn. I was doing this. I'm so sorry. I think this is why I think God's punishing
me now. And then she started praying in tongues and praying with me and I'd start to feel better
and whatnot. And you know, just growing up, like that was my personal experience. That was my only
probably like real Christian in the church experience with Jesus. But as I got older, I got out of
the church because just the ridicule, you know, oh, he's got tattoos. Oh, he just leaves this. But
how can you say you believe Jesus and all this? I just thought always it's about relationship, you know, and
it as the time progressed like I started seeing with my own personal experiences that
Jesus really isn't everything like an every single person like call it what you want that's what I call it
it's fine but uh I started to listen into like I I just met Dan and met some other people that
that God brought in my path that just opened me up to a new,
just a new light, you know?
Like that God is outside these walls, he's out,
he's, the Bible is a good tool, a foundation for you,
but he's still outside of that Bible.
Like he's outside of it, he's in everything.
Like yeah, he's outside of he's inside of it.
He's, I can't deny it now.
I've had my experience now, like, you know,
with other things too, with mushrooms and all that,
where I felt, what I felt inside,
and no one can take my experience from me.
and every single person in this chat room
and every single person in this world
has had some type of experience
period and no one can take that from them.
Well, they tell you in the church
is not to go by your feelings,
because your feelings can deceive you,
your feelings can lead you astray and things like that.
And that's about it right there.
I know, but like your experiences are legit.
Yeah, they are legit experiences.
Like how can you tell me?
I didn't see this.
What did we use as an analogy about a snake or something, right?
A snake biting people or whatever.
They said, no, you can go or a dog.
Go over there and pet that dog.
Okay, well, the dog done bit three people.
Like if I go over there, he's probably gonna bite me.
And then I go over there and he bites me.
But you are telling me he won't bite you, bro.
He won't bite you, man.
It's a hold on, dude.
My experience with that dog is that he bites, bro.
You need to get that dog seen about.
He would experience.
Yeah, that's my experience.
And he might not bite everybody,
but he bit the piss out of me.
You know what I'm saying?
And that's a great analogy for religion.
Yeah, I think it's supposed to be everyone
needs an experience.
You don't need to judge everything off
of what somebody else tells you.
Like, you know, have your own personal experience,
have your own research.
Like, don't just believe what everybody else tells you.
That's the conflict right now.
Because many evangelists, many baptists,
will tell you that they're to preach the gospel.
And the gospel is the gospel of Jesus Christ,
the gospel of hope, of salvation.
But you're going off, you're taking their word for it.
Exactly.
That they're right.
And they, because they had an encounter with God.
Yeah.
When I was seven, God visited me.
I was seven.
Brother, and he did this, and he did that, right?
And you're supposed to, and this is why God
transformed their life.
And they want you to believe that gospel.
And that's all good.
And I know I have many close friends who do that.
And I did it off of my encounter.
But the truth is, everyone's supposed to have an encounter.
Like everybody can have these encounters
that we're having with God,
with the spirit realm, with Jesus,
and the flesh.
This is for you.
Don't take my word for it.
I hope that my stories and my music,
and my testimonies move you to envy,
that you will seek out God for yourself
to get an encounter,
to have an encounter with the divine creator.
Everybody can do that.
And encounter with Jesus.
How do you want to frame that?
All of it's possible.
So we moved from preaching a gospel of a theory
or another man's experience to coming into
having our own encounter with God.
Exactly.
It all comes back to love.
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there, but so having your encounter with God or the church and then leaving the church,
but still having a foundation with Jesus, opening up the realm of possibilities, maybe
some other belief systems, maybe looking into other philosophies and things like that.
your encounter challenged about who Jesus is and how in those early stages it is kind
of hard to maintain that faith when other people come who are very knowledgeable about
ancient texts about books about who Jesus is or did he exist or didn't he how do you
hold on to your faith because you know you've reached out to me recently about reading
materials that seem convincing but challenge will become from and not from a state of cognitive
dissidents where you won't budge from what you believe of even know you're being shown contrary
teachings about your belief that's not it but how do we maintain this level of intimacy and
innocence with the simplicity of the gospel because I you know I talk about my music being
lost within the mystery and found within simplicity. How do you
how does that work out for you? Well basically I'm trying to hold Jesus in the midst of all this stuff.
Well basically first of all in my part of my awakening you know I had
I had people come to me pretty much straight up and tell me that, you know, look, bro.
It's cool that you're waking up and all that, but you need to eliminate Jesus, bro, like Jesus.
You need to get rid of him.
You need to get rid of him.
Like, you are, you are God.
You are over everything.
I'm just like, okay.
Okay.
And, you know, these are people that I look up to.
I've looked up to a lot.
And it kind of like started stripping that foundation from me.
That was in the beginning of the process.
It kind of has been a rollercoaster for me personally, you know, there's times where
Through just yeah, like just through my own personal research of stuff and reading people's things and thinking that oh, wow
Maybe it makes you think like oh, maybe everything I read about this is really not you know the truth
But what I do know as far as
Like keeping Jesus in for me is it's my voice of truth like and the black of your mind
you still hear it, you know what I mean? Like it's still there. And reaching out to people that
have that foundation too, you know that can lift you up, you know, it's is another beneficial thing
because it's not like you're out there as a rogue by yourself making an attachment. But you feel
that way, you kind of make that up for yourself because I really felt like at a time where I was alone,
like I was like, man, I'm alone, there's nobody that can help me on this group. Like yeah,
But it's part of that process and you know, there's a lot of people in my life though that right now
I'm so forever thankful for that our back home in Florida that you know have just told me to like trust my process
Like no matter what and have been there for me and all of this that's still to this day are here
Just like you it's like Dan like everybody you know, but you know, it's still challenging to this day
Remember I've sent you stuff. I was like hey, bro. What do you think about this about Jesus and this and that and
You know, it's not like I'm just trying to get your answer to be my answer. It's just because rolling ideas
Yeah, rolling ideas because it's like it totally messes with your head still, but if you was to do that in the church
Oh
You can't really go no, you can't really go to the four walls
You say hey, what do you guys feel about? Yeah, we just notice how what do you guys feel about mushrooms?
Yeah, exactly
You can't just know and you know that I have friends that are totally against that that I love to death
And then I have friends that are Christians and follow the Christians that are they're open to me like they're
That's why I know they'll see there's this like, you know, God is real and and trying to wake people up to outside of the church
Like don't don't only believe it you can believe what you want, but look for yourself
Like don't let don't let one person don't even let me tell you what I just look for yourself
Whatever truth is to you, you know, like don't let anyone strip it from you
Because the moment you allow someone to strip that from you you've given them that power and you and you kind of lose it until you gain it back
Which thank God there's people out there that can help us like for whatever that is for you
Whatever truth is to you, you know, you have your people that you can reach out to your tribe
You know that will be there for you no matter what but it but what I like to do for me
I don't even I honestly don't say Jesus to everybody. That's not how I reach my people
Like that common contact with I just be the love of what Jesus was
Unconditional what I is. Yeah. I'm conditioned. Just names that even yeah exactly
We yeah people just created that is you know
It's everyone's got has that Christ inside of them
You know, it's a talking to them. Yeah, that's how I look at it
Like we all have that inside of us
We just need to be woken up to it. Call it what you want
We were all born saying worse. It's not a race. It's not anything. We're it's all one race
So moving from religion and being dogmatic because dogma comes with religion if you have something like that
You have to be right, you know, you have to have an answer for everything
And then it comes to
The person of Jesus, right?
Which is which is just love and
Your your beliefs don't threaten me anymore. I don't care who you are if you're an atheist or you're so new age
They feel more comfortable around them.
Exactly, because they don't threaten you.
But back in the day, those beliefs and thoughts
with threatening you and you had to get away from those people.
You had to shut those people down and tell them
that they were...
You felt like crap doing it too.
And sin.
But you felt like the people are doing, right?
Some people felt good,
because when I was in that realm of thinking,
I felt good when I shut somebody down of debating people.
Hey, if you're not following Christ, you're in sin
I'm sure you had to get free from your sin and and and and they have an idea and they may be following Christ closer
More closely than I am. Yeah, by a different name by a different name. I mean love peace joy
All good things come from above if it's if it has to do with that. It's Christ. Yes. I believe that Jesus is
Love-made manifest and in the form of flesh. Yes. I love
became a human being. That's who Jesus was. So if someone has those same
character traits and they're seeking the same thing, they're seeking Jesus in
my book. And I think the Bible tells us that. Paul tells us that. And Romans 1 and 2
talks about how those coming up without the law, without the tour, without the
Bible, which is pretty much everybody in Western culture for the most part, are
Or by nature doing the things that are written of in the book it becomes a law unto themselves and they're keeping the law
Without you having to tell them to keep the law. They're they're loving their neighbors without you having to tell them to they have a guiding system
Exactly, and that's what that's what the new covenant is. Yeah, is that guidance system that says that the word of God
The Torah is written upon the hearts of men. Yeah, and and people know when you steal something
and you know, you weren't supposed to take it.
You tell a lie, there's just war going on within you,
that you're lying, you got to manipulate the truth.
And so if we, that's a GPS system, that's the compass, right?
And it's always been there.
Everyone has that.
And that's kind of like,
that's kind of like what binds us together, I think,
or people who live by that,
versus hey, hey brother, I follow the Bible,
and I go to Bible college, Bible school,
that doesn't mean anything anymore.
It seems to be so big though it really really was so big to
To see people all far they would go to thinking they were right, you know
Scares live and crap out of people. Yeah, it scares the crap out of them because you have to understand
They've given their holy eternity. They've given their life to follow this
I was telling me that I'm wrong. Yeah, I
Stake my life on this one what my pastor says
like I've given my life to follow that and my turn it not just my life but
my eternity my eternal soul and you tell me I'm wrong you tell my pastor's
wrong and so that that's a rude awakening for many people and it starts out
people you know they get upset and they have to fight and they come I wrote
this big long excerpt about I need to publish it but they start it's a good
place to be though when you start questioning everything and ask him
questions and but in those realms they tell you not to ask questions don't try
this don't go there don't do that the way that I look at it God is really just
gonna give you how much you can really handle you know what I mean like if
you want just this little bit of God going to church and all that and getting
your fill up of it every Sunday and every Wednesday night for teen nights or
whatever it is go for it if you want more for it whatever you want you're gonna
get whatever you see you're gonna find like you know me personally like I
just take I just see God and everything and all things like just going down
like watching a homeless man who's sitting there just crying right and drinking even a beer right
and just going up to that dude and just sitting there and not even offering him just given a
money just sit there and be with him like every single person can do that every single person
has an inside of them you know and there's also the other side of the battle of oh I don't want
to stop and see that guy because he's just gonna want my money or oh I'm not supporting his
habit or whatever you know but what I've come to realize is God is in the smallest things you know
maybe that guy needs somebody to just be there for him you know who cares about if he's drinking
like it's not even about that anymore God isn't looking at that he's looking at the heart
of every human being what's on your what's on your heart you know yeah there's a quote and I love
this I first heard it from a lumina de Congo he's got a song on it but uh if you can't see God in
all and you can't see God at all. So everything we see that God is in it all and it's a biblical
precept. I'm not even going outside of the Bible to say that. The Bible God creates light and
darkness. He says, behold, I create good and evil. He's in all of it. He's in the good, the bad, the
ugly, the in between, the fun, the laughter, the joy, the tears. God is to be seen in all of it.
but what are you looking at? Like what are you focused on? There's a story in the book that
Manly P. Hall wrote called The Way of the Lonely Ones and The Way of the Lonely Ones is just a bunch
of short stories that he wrote and it talks about this guy who goes and I need to share it with you
but it's about this guy who goes and has an encounter in the woods and everything he sees,
he sees the face of Christ in it, in the water, in the trees, in the air, in the sky and it talks
He just everything that he sees after this encounter that God is in all of it even in in the good times and in the bad times
And I want to share that with you
But I'm a huge fan of Manly P. Hall and his his work
But being able to see Christ in
Everything because he is in it. Yeah, he really truly is and you
Like I said the deeper you go into that the the more you're gonna get into it
You're gonna see he's gonna show you really who who what it all is to you know
like to what it all was from the beginning for you but you're what you are here for like you know
whatever that is for you whatever you're gonna do in the world and then it kind of ties in with
the title
the spirit of authenticity of being your authentic self no matter what what it is
being who you that that person you feel on the inside that you feel on the inside the childlike heart
kind, generous, all that stuff. And being okay to be vulnerable and not having to have it
all figured out and to be okay to explore something for the first time. Being okay to say
you like it and we use. Believe in that your voice of the sermon is your voice of the sermon.
It's actually you're hearing from your being okay with it and nothing can take that.
as long as it's connected.
Exactly, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, not saying so, yes to it all.
I'm just saying, if you feel it, like, okay,
I want to do this, like, I talked to God about it.
I'm like, all right, is this for me?
You know, I do my research.
And if I feel, yeah, I do it.
That's how I go.
I don't care what no one can take that for me.
And no one can tell me you can't do that.
Say what you want is to see who I am.
You do what you want.
Yeah, those people who would doubt that,
doubt your relationship with God.
Of course.
I'm dealing with it a lot. Yeah, and it's always there in the back of your head. Yeah, that would if they're right
Yep, me and my wife honestly battled with that couple weeks
What if they're right? What if we are leading people to hell? What if we are deceived?
What if we did open the door that we can't close? It's always there
I don't know if it goes away because it's somewhere in the back of your mind
Even me right with my encounters and my experiences, you know, it's always there
But to move past it. Like it's a lower voice. You're gonna question yourself all the time. It's just about questioning yourself and
That shows that you're wrestling with God with that voice inside like Jacob
Wrestle with God and he was changed
You have to be open. Absolutely. And then you have to go back to God that
Foundational place that we're talking about the foundation of Jesus and bring it to him. Exactly. Jesus. How do you feel?
And don't be scared to ask Jesus Jesus. Oh, if you're scared to ask him. Yeah, you're already
That's exactly you have a relationship. I had that though. Like I've literally been scared to ask certain things because of my
Relision, let me with my background and religion. Yeah, so what I was talking. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like a lot now
You still do though, right? Yeah, there's still that voice in the back of me that tells me Chris man come on
You know better. Yeah, this is not what you do
And you know all these people that are really like you think are are like, you know, just
Don't really got it together. Whatever the word would be
They do got it together Chris because they do know my voice my my my what is it?
My sheep know my voice or whatever but in the same in that same thing. I still be like, yeah, I do
Because I know who I am and when I speak that there's power behind it. There's no power behind
Being dead double minded. Yeah, yeah, you know
That's that's why I was always in the church because on Sunday I was being my best and then
I'm going to hang out with my non-Christian friends and smoke weed and drink beer and then but why I got to make sure I'm good for
For Sunday again, you know what I mean because I got to make sure the relationship stays golden in front of people, you know
It's this the part that I mean they
They tell you in churches. They tell you not to be a hypocrite. Don't be a hypocrite
They don't want you question anything, but they teach you to be the hypocrite
Yeah, cuz when eight when you go to church on Sunday morning and they shake your hand. Hey, brother. How you doing this morning?
Like you can't really say it maybe you should maybe this this is the catch. Oh, yeah
You can't hit me in my life's falling to pieces brother. I don't know what they're expecting. I don't know if I believe in Jesus anymore
I got a lot of stuff on my mind. I've been thinking about suicide all week
Like you can't really do that you have to go there and you have to play the role
Yes, you know try to get your own account and why you're there
And you could bring that to the altar but if you start you can't be open and we talked
about like having these friends and this brotherhood of whether you want to call it
Christians or not but we have a foundation in Christ that were open and it's not just us
there's many more people opening up and that was one thing that was discussed this weekend
is it only us, right?
But there's a lot more people opening up by us walking
in our authentic selves.
Not just us, but you guys watching,
you guys listening, following that voice,
I'm telling you.
I got, and this is awesome to me.
He's probably listening right now,
but I have a friend of mine now
who's over a big Christian radio station
and has a bunch of influence and stuff.
And he cannot talk about this stuff.
He wants to.
He wants to, but his jobs, depending on it, his family,
his social status, his depending on it.
He starts talking about this stuff.
He can cut his head right off the shoulders, right?
So it's up for people, not who can talk about it,
because none of us can talk about it.
You don't stand with everybody's reputations on the line,
but because, and this is kind of what was discussed
during the Dan podcast, but because you guys aren't talking
about it, we have to.
Yeah, exactly. And like, because we see the fruit of it and we see how much freedom it's bringing to people
Exactly. And I'm talking about it.
And the more you step into it, the more you change really into your true authentic self
Like who God really wants you to be because you're not you know allowing there to be any more boundaries because there's no boundaries with God
He's everlasting. He's it's eternal. It's here. It's right now. It goes your eyes and you can have it
You know you can have all that this the fruits of the spirit. It's all there
Jonathan shrugs, I think that's how you say the power of affirmation, 100% and that could
be used for good or bad.
That's why everybody has to check their own walk and make sure that the people you have
in your corner are not just yes, men.
We talked about it earlier.
We could be open with one another about any and everything and we're going to walk this
thing out with you and this is how we're supposed to be, but we have standards.
We have things that we won't do.
There's stuff that will not fly, that we're adamantly against, right?
And it's not just that we let everything fly or everyone should.
I remember what just last week when I posted about my terror cards, right?
Oh yeah.
And I did a prayer session and use a deck of terror cards.
And I put it out there on Facebook and people freaked out.
That's all that.
The majority of people were behind it.
They thought it was awesome.
They're already in the terror.
I have a mixed multitude of friends that's the weird thing with anything that I post out there
and probably you too, you're gonna have those people who love it and then those people who are gonna be like praying for you and message and people in chat rooms to pray for you.
I'm not sure I'm in those groups.
You know, those type of things, but you know, it comes with its own share of pushback, but I tell you what is envious.
It's envious and people will envy you and the things that they don't like in you and they it turns them off is
Departs that they don't like about themselves
They see you you're more open. I can't be open. So why should you get to be I see it so jealous of people are super open
I'm like man, I've wanted but I just feel like okay. I'm not supposed to have that but you still feel like inside
You really want that like it's so free mm-hmm. It really is to be free some of our close friends
And like I said, the guy over the radio station in many Christians in, you know, watchmen as well. You know, he's, you know, they
They
Give me a hard time about opening up. I can't do that. I'll get fired. You know, I can't let I can't do that. You know this type of deal. So
You have to use wisdom and all things right. I wouldn't I mean
You know, but you have to use wisdom and wisdom and all things, but you got to be authentic
You can't go around trying to be somebody else. That's where that double-minded. Pretend that you don't like something
Hey, aren't your friends were truly good? Oh, he's
How to go through that in my walk, you know, I'm dealing with the more of my fun like family like yeah
It's weird with you
Than me versus the family thing because when I got in and maybe this is when I got in the church though
Because when I got in the church and I came out of dark witchcraft like a demonic entities and summoning demons and crazy stuff
That took over my mind. I was once schizophrenic. I was going on a bad path robbing people breaking into houses
Bad person got born again had an encounter with with Jesus came out of the witchcraft for years, right?
I wasn't in anything, this incense we have smoking.
I remember when I first came out of that stuff,
I couldn't even have incense in front of that.
Also, so sensitive to that realm.
But all my family took credit for me getting saved.
Like my mom and my grandmother,
they were like having arguments about who
said to get credit almost.
Like, yeah, I let them live with me.
And they were like fighting over who got me in the church or whatever, and I would just hear
stuff, you know, and so I guess in your case now it's not that who fighting over who got
you in the church, now you're getting more of the backlash of you leaving the church
or not necessarily leaving the church, but because you come into a revelation that you
are the church, right, with the scriptures teach, but with some of the stuff that you
You're getting what you've got you've got well like
Just going deeper into like I said taking God out of that box like you know just hey
I can
Listen to any type of music that I want to and still hear God's voice through this song
You know what I mean it comes back to this simple little things, you know what I mean?
But I'm trying to think of like an example about trying to throw it out there
It's just like I'm they're they just really think that I'm lost like
Like we've gone we were heading down the right path there when things the way that we're supposed to and then boom
Something just happened and oh you're into this you're into that and you can't be in this
We can't be a part of you know more or you're under that too much gracing like John Crowder
Yeah, the too much grace law or whatever like there's you can do anything you want to do and
And God you're saved. There's no you do, but really really hurt the most
I'm not gonna go too deep into it, but when we were there in this person
It was a family member, you know, we it me and my wife we do everything that we do everything out of love
You know, and I haven't seen this person in like
nine months and then boom here they were and at first the first thought comes on my mind leave walk away
You don't want that mm-hmm. This is not hard. You don't do you're gonna get rejected right now
you don't need that. But I was just like, no man, because this is in part of my path of learning
my voice. You know, I was just like, nah, and he looks right at me and I look right at him
and I'm just like, okay, well, let's go outside. You know, let's just do this, let's talk.
And his, his children were there and I got to see his children, which was a beautiful, beautiful,
beautiful experience for me and my wife, because we haven't seen him in nine months. You know,
one of them actually forgot who we were, which, great job, you know, it breaks your heart.
But anyways, going back to that, we were just talking to like to see where he was at and kind of
just to see where he was and seeing that he went because this guy might he's a brother to me.
He was coming out of religion and getting awake and having experiences his own and then
stuff was happening in his life that he didn't understand and he and he just went to like
other things you know and I love him for what he did and everything but that's just where he
was already now but anyways um we were talking and he literally was like I just came out because
Because I'm a real, I'm just like, so what do you feel about with the Jesus, like,
he just came out and you're the Jew or your Gentile kind of mentality, like, and then
told me that, look, Jesus isn't only love, bro, you know, he flipped tables too, he got
pissed, you know, he was a human being, I'm like, no, no, no, I get that, bro, but what
did Jesus stand for, you know, and then you just, you know, telling him all that and him telling
me straight up, you too, I was where you were at.
I know, like he knew my experience, you know,
and I'm like, no, no, man, there's no way you've ever,
no, this is mine.
My wife has had her own personal experience.
She doesn't have the same experience, you know what I mean?
But anyways, he literally, I just came out after end of it.
I was just like, so then where do you think,
do you think I'm gonna go to hell?
And he just looked at me and my wife,
and he just said, yes, and you know how that feels
when it's family?
Yeah, I mean, all of the worst thing I've ever seen.
So you're going to hell from a Christian standpoint.
Yeah.
This is not spiritualist in the way,
But from a Christian standpoint, you're going to hell. Why?
I'm going to hell. He told me I was going to hell. He didn't give me a specific reason because he thinks I'm falling out
Like you know the fallout away from God. That's the thing you have to okay
I'm gonna tell everybody listen to right now when you're dealing with church people when you're dealing with Christians
Do not let them generalize. You just sent to that stuff, bro. You're in the mysticism. Hold on. Wait. Wait. Wait. What the hell is mysticism?
What is that I don't know my mystical you my my relationship with Jesus is very mystical a very mystical encounter
What do you mean by that or you're into the occult?
Yes, I am the word occult me. Yes, I know what you're talking that there's no knowledge really you got to make them tell you
Because then you can actually pinpoint it and bring understand see we should we did do that kind of
I started to think oh man am I being like an asshole right now or something that's kind of
if he's talking about your salvation, your salvation.
The Christian, it's salvation encounter,
it's faith in Jesus by grace alone
what he did on the cross for your sins.
That's all it is.
You still have that, right?
Okay, well, he should be.
That's what I pretty much said to him too.
I believe the exact same stuff you believe about Jesus.
He didn't even go there, he just like sit there.
He just, and you know, and I felt kind of felt like he,
this is why I said I felt like he was kind of
getting attacked kind of cause it was me and my wife
versus him, that's his mentality.
I know what it was but it really wasn't that because like on a personal level
I've been like getting closer and closer to my other part of the family because it's like a clash thing
You know, you got one side of the family and then another side of the family that doesn't like you
But my I got one person. She's my grandma like I've been like getting closer and closer her and cheeks
I've just I see Christ love through my grandma. She doesn't have a faith. Oh religion at all
She's never has but I got told as a kid and a Christian if you don't accept Jesus into your heart
You know you're going and so I used to always pray for my grandma salvation and I've she's been watching my walk in the whole time
whole time grandma's close to the Jesus didn't exactly in my wife to the same thing because we do every time we talk about it
Like she cries dude like and we talk about that her own inner child my grandma's in her 70s
Yeah, her own inner child and to see her cry and to come out and to see she sees my authenticity like she knows I'm
Authentic like she she knows I had an experience and I tell her everything
I'm so open and I think that that's a big part too is being open with people I mean yeah
You have your boundaries and stuff, but for me like my my family. They'll use stuff against me to like
Throw at someone to say oh, yeah, but did you know he does this like like to smoke weed or something like you know
So I just I'm so open with my grandma about everything that I am like and it's not to just be like to hey, you know
Hey, Nana, this is what I'm doing. It's more like hey
I just want you to know like this is who I am. Yeah, and now that I've done that to her
I've been doing it as weird cuz it seems like
Nana that would you call me Nana is like
The neutral person that both sides are trying to win over. Mm-hmm. It's trying to win over and then your mind was
I really felt like I was trying to win over but not anymore. I don't have to it
It's good. It's good. I don't have to and she I'm not gonna get personal on what she says
But like what she tells me is a beautiful and it shows me that yep, Chris
Because you're moving. Because with being authentic and you will never be authentic in your beliefs and where you're supposed to be of achieving your dreams and your goals and the life that God has here for you until you get over the fear of men and the acceptance of men.
When I came out of it, brother, I was on stages where the whole crowd would stand up and applaud me for doing my work.
And now I get off those stages now and they think I'm a devil worshipper, you know what I'm saying?
All right. So yeah, the acceptance and the applause of men and thinking that we have to, people have to agree with us or be accepted.
You don't like if I was you I wouldn't even have I would have no spiritual conversations with my family
Yeah, I just try to be keep it as neutral. Yeah. Yeah, keep it neutral
It's like when you go to work you can't go to work and talk about mushrooms
There you go when I when I when I was on the job I go to work
We talk about football. We talk about the weather. Mm-hmm. We talk about this. We talk about that
You know, I'm saying and if the opportunity right follow the voice bro. Yeah, because I got to say with my mom
She's come a long way. Don't let him bait you in though. Yeah, yeah, exactly. See that's where I used to do and that's why I'm getting
Now right now like my mom like I'm so proud of her because where where she was at like raised in this two and and she still is
Hard of it like you know and she but I what I got to say is like she's finally starting to accept me and letting me have my inner voice and not
I don't know what she truly believes about it
But she lets me be open with her and she doesn't condemn me no more
She doesn't I don't know what she's doing behind the scenes and I don't care it doesn't matter because she still shows me that unconditional love right in my face
You know what I mean? And that's to me this beautiful Anne. She literally asked me questions about my experience
Is she gonna talk about it? Yeah, cuz my mom now with my new job like my mom could come over
And we could just sit there all day and talk and yeah, I like to I'm saying seed planter
You know, I just like to drop seeds and stuff in my mom. I'm just watching
like I did the same type of talk with her that I do with my grandmother and
The tears that flew out of her it was sincere, bro
You know, I was like mom, I had to just be real. I was like, have you ever doubted God?
Like have you ever thought God wasn't for you or something? Or like you just fucking out pretty much
You know what I mean? Like you're just not doing things right accordingly in your mind
And she's like yes, and I'm like see that's all you got to do
It's just be real with God because that's all you want you to do
It's just real because once you start being real with him, he's gonna become more real to you
It's like don't hide it back in the background like you've been doing just work on your personal self
Your own self don't follow every single person and think that their way is right
that you need to find your own truth.
Work out your own salvation.
That's salvation, yes.
That's fear and interest.
Exactly, that doesn't mean to always be afraid
you're gonna go burn in hell, man.
Go take a risk.
Jump that risk.
Risk it.
For real.
Yeah, for real.
If I didn't risk it,
I wouldn't be who I am today.
Honestly, I know I can be around any type of religion,
any type of person, like murderers, rapists,
I don't care.
I'm gonna love them.
I don't have to agree with what they are.
I love them. The weird thing is, is that we're even having this conversation if you listen to what you're saying
Oh, I know there's people who are like what the
That Christians felt this way or feel this way that there's a dogmatic response about being around
Centers, isn't that who the message of crisis is it not the sick who need a doctor?
How are you gonna? What are you doing around sick people? Do you go visit people? Do you visit
like people with jacked up belief systems or who are who need Jesus but they're too
weird or too worldly to be around. God has to get a way of prepping you and
preparing you to send you into those rooms with his light and love and he's not
doing it as a Mormon evangelist or with a suit and tie with a hole in the Bible.
You are the scripture says you're a living epistle. Exactly and I feel that.
and you're walking, you are the word made flesh, you're Christ in you.
Yeah, and every day is that it's the whole great glory, that's the day.
The mystical union is Christ in you, the hope of glory, and you haven't left that, you haven't
left your first love, and many of you guys listening have a foundation of what you know to be
Jesus, and even that notion about what we think Jesus is is probably different with all of us,
and different levels of degrees of intimacy and what we've seen and what we've
experienced in the spiritual realms and even in the hours of prayer and agony and
crying and trying to figure out what's real and what's not and all of this stuff
everybody has a different degree of faith and a level of belief and it's
different for everybody. But love, you know, and it gets it, it's the Bible, the whole
thing from Genesis to Revelation, it's very deep, a lot of deep mystical traditions, esoteric
stuff in there, beautiful stuff, easy stuff on the outside, outside, so of encouragement.
But it all boils down to love the Lord that God with all your heart and to love your
neighbor as yourself. Jesus said that all the law and all the prophets, that's the Old Testament.
He said all the law and all the prophets hang upon these two commandments. If you can do these
two, no matter how you do it, I don't care how you do it, but if you could do these two,
then you're doing it right. I think somebody told me something like that and that's what
you can't do. It's not all this, it's really this simple. Oh yeah. Jesus said it.
Yeah, and I believe that too because he really if you can walk in love
And it's just googles not just do a word study on love in the Bible and how much Jesus spoke about it and what type of love and when we talk about so I
Would say okay
an unconditional love and the thing that I found and Christianity where I come from
Um, they teach love with conditions.
Even at the same brother, I still love you
and I'm still praying for you.
But, I'm like, well, give me a phone call.
A phone call is good.
You know, they're like, be there for me.
I've been praying for you ever since,
since I brought in talking to you in three years, man.
A phone call would be nice, right?
But are they really praying for you too,
is the question because I can say that too.
Yo, I prayed for you, bro.
But did I really pray for you?
You didn't call, I said, keep your prayer.
Give me a phone call.
Yeah, let me know.
No, be real.
Be there for me.
Show me your really genuine care.
Not a same to me.
Yes.
No matter what.
Who I am.
That's unconditional.
That was part of it for me.
And I think many people listening or listening for a reason that they see something in
your story and in my story.
And you know, they kind of get into a place where they're stepping out.
Many people even ahead of a smiling down on this conversation, because maybe they have
the same story, but maybe some years ahead of us and they've been through that and
and they're watching us go through it, you know what I'm saying?
And being okay, it's a beautiful, beautiful process.
Yeah.
The more you trusted, the better it is.
I don't know how much you wanted to go into it,
but you didn't mention it before we went live,
talking about, on our vacation, the moonshine.
I don't know if you want to talk about that at all.
That's totally fine.
So when we were on, over there in Tennessee,
we stopped at the distillery there
and got some moonshine.
I got some gifts for people or whatnot,
but I decided to get the white lightning
and I don't drink that much, I'm a truck driver,
so I don't really do that anymore.
Just on occasions, you know, this was the occasion.
I'm here on vacation with family,
so it was really crazy.
I ended up drinking a little bit too much, probably,
but it didn't matter though.
I had an experience like I've never had before
because, I mean, I don't really, you were there,
but I was in my own world,
Like, honestly, like, you've seen what I was crying guys.
Like, I was hardcore crying, but he had music on that.
It was just like reaching me.
God was speaking to me through this experience,
how I look at it as, cause I had, you know,
there's some stuff that's deeply rooted in me
that even I can't even remember, you know,
that I feel comes out of me.
Like, I see it and I don't have to maybe understand it yet,
but it might be revealed to me something later down the road
or I won't ever be revealed, but it's still freeing.
Like, that's what I felt like I got out of it.
Like, I was literally like going through laughter.
No crying then straight up laughing so hard with tears and you know there's one thing that I've always told God is like I never understood his God
How come I can't come I'm not emotional with you like everybody I see people cry out to you
I see people get so real am I not real am I not being a real?
You know and just
Just experiences the odd besides that has shown me that yeah
It got I don't have to be emotional for it to be real
You know because he says to me he's never leave me he's never forsaken me
Doesn't matter that's just a belief if I want to believe that a thing that comes on my head, but being into the on on that the moonshine
you know, um, I've never ever experienced it because
Like to just go to the next to like go to the next level of God like to say, okay
What I'm feeling right now
I'm gonna take it back to what I believe in and all that and talk to God right here
And what are you what are you trying to show me because this is a freight feeling and it just got deeper and deeper and I can't
It's I can't put into words bro. I really am trying to put into words, but it was just so beautiful. You were there
You saw me like I was
All in my eyes. I just played some songs that worked for me that worked for me. You know that uh well whatever you did
Wow, no, it's cool
One of them was kid cutting and we listened to it afterwards and even my wife she looked at me
I was like that's your song that's your song. Yeah songs about you. Yeah. That song is totally about you. It's about me
Yeah, seriously, like you just blew my mind and even in what were those songs those aren't Christian songs
And I'm drinking moonshine and what does that look like in the Christian world?
That's not right brother
But it didn't matter because I still had that experience and no one could take that from me
I and I was telling my wife this is kind of freaky
I don't want to tell people just in my life about this experience because they're gonna automatically stay
Oh, you were drinking that's you didn't get an experience with God, but I really felt everything's an experience
Yeah, everything isn't a thing.
Yeah, and I really, really felt it was this real.
It was 100% real and that no one's gonna take from it.
Yeah.
As we're coming upon the end of our discussion, man,
if there's anything that we didn't talk about,
there's anything that you wanted to bring any experiences,
any encounters that changed your life,
any just times and meditation and prayer
and things like that, anything you want to bring up.
No, I'm just going to say that where I'm pretty much going where I'm at I'm going to be going from here where my next step in life is
I didn't nobody knows me really so
I
Want to know I'm like really wanting to be into like poetry like seeing where that takes me
Just because I believe that the Bibles written on my heart so like those words there
Okay, well I have there's other words in there that I want to write them down and not necessarily
I don't know if I want to necessarily be a singer like or anything like that
But you know my my my music is more along the lines of knuckle bear and Trevor Hall
So like that like if I was the singing like I would be more like that general genre, but uh
But yeah, honestly, I think we covered up pretty much a lot about me and you you're catching flag for both even post and knuckles music
It's all right. Yeah, I get it for everything. What about my music? It gets black
Well your YouTube video stopped so I couldn't share them no more, but yeah
Yeah, I do, but like I said, I still got friends
that are like, yo, that dude is hot, bro.
Like, wow, he's a Christian.
Yeah, a lot of it's so funny, that process.
Yeah, I've had friends who can't like my statuses
and can't share my music because of their friends.
Scared.
And stuff, yeah.
I went through it.
So just these last few minutes, man,
just kind of give some advice to, I would say church people,
I would say church people, but it's applicable to everyone who is struggling to be the person that God is calling them to be, give them some encouragement, and let them know what you're prolonging it, the longer you wait, it's not good, just go ahead and do it.
I can tell you is don't be afraid to listen to that inner voice because it's really been
guiding you the whole time you just you know you gotta get past the fear you gotta get past
all the dogma all the all the stuff that people are trying to like put at you and you know make
you feel like it's real like it's truth just go beyond it like because I'm telling there's
a veil here there really is a veil and once you go beyond that veil Christ will show up or
or whatever, we'll show up to you.
And that's where the experience comes
and no one can take that from you.
Like, people are gonna come out to your guys,
they did the same thing to Jesus.
And that's why I say this is, this experience is real.
Like, you can't take that from me.
And Jesus says, hey, if they're done to you,
they're gonna do it to me.
And it's true, because they're doing it to me.
And they're gonna do it to you.
So don't be afraid.
That's just it, you have to get past that fear.
And once you get past that fear,
that's when you're really gonna see your realm of possibilities
and all these things opening up to you.
And just for once, don't be closed minded.
Be open minded and embrace them and work through them
and see, okay, well, what do you have for me, God?
Like, what, what am I interested in?
And, you know, like, to just believe in that.
And your own voice, you've had it sent you a baby
when you were a little kid, you know?
What did you like to do when you were a little kid?
Like, go back to those things
and just get back into that relationship with yourself,
with yourself is God, because God is in you.
So don't be afraid to go past that,
because I'm telling you, the moment you do it,
you're gonna really experience an experience.
You're gonna see that God will show up,
or whatever it is to you.
It will show, it's impossible for it not to,
because you're seeking, and what you seek,
you're gonna find.
So just keep going, don't be afraid no more.
There's nothing to be afraid of.
I'm just coming out of it myself,
that I'm in four years of being
in and awakening whatever,
but I've been in, like I said,
saved since 1999.
It's still trusting that process.
Like every day is a battle still,
but like you say, stay firm in your foundation,
keep Christ, if that's your foundation, keep it,
whatever that is for you and keep going,
keep moving.
Like you told me, keep, put one foot in front of the other
and keep moving, don't stop.
The moment you stop, you're staying idle again, you know?
With God, he's not staying still.
God, don't stay still, God's in everything.
So it's always moving.
It's all constant motion.
Exactly.
There's the word energy.
Energy.
It is.
It really is.
So people are going to mess up as they begin to step out.
Is it?
Are they going to mess up?
And is it OK to mess up?
Yes.
And what is messing up, really?
What is messing up?
You know, that's how I look at it.
True, true, true, true.
It might be messing up to somebody else,
but then you'll see somebody else is like non-dude.
And that's what I'm saying.
Those are the type of, God will send the right people
in your path, like in this journey.
because you're even on the journey you're on right now
and you feel like you wanna step out and do it.
God is still there.
He hasn't, it's not like,
oh, once you've come awake and hear you get to meet God,
yo, God has been there from the beginning.
It's just, he's waiting for us to just get to know him,
to become real to him.
Yes, it.
There is no messing up.
No, there's no such thing as messing up
and anyone tells you there is is a lie.
Shout out to Grimm in the chat holding it down.
He says learning.
What's up, Carl?
Carl, Carl Rossin.
It's all about learning.
I think it's messing up when you don't learn from the mess-ups.
And if you keep repeating the same mistake over and over,
and it happens, it's okay,
but you have to learn from it.
So learn from the mistakes, learn how to,
because you don't wanna make keep making them.
It's gonna be a pop quiz.
You're gonna keep taking that test over and over
until you pass it.
But once you pass it, it may pop up again,
may have to do another pop quiz, random,
something we'd studied a couple years ago,
may have to take that test again.
It'll always show you not that perfect, knowledgeable person
you know, and it's not that bad.
Just want to make sure you still remember.
Exactly.
You don't forget. Exactly.
So yeah, everything, rejoicing all things.
Isn't that what the scripture says?
The love, rejoicing all things?
And all things.
Let me see if I can find that scripture.
go ahead and talk about rejoicing and all things.
Oh yeah, rejoice in all things.
Like that doesn't matter what it is.
Like I said, I put on any music.
He shows me like anything.
I put it, I just bring God into it, man.
Whatever that is, my experience is in all that.
And the love that I have and rejoicing that I do
and the joy that I have for everyone
and just loving everyone.
It's like, it's, it's so hard to do,
but yet so easy to do when you just give into it.
You know, when you just love without limits and stuff, you know, like you just love
without limits.
Love without, and so, just, so examine yourself to see whether you're in the faith is
what the mind says.
So examine your love, examine if you have conditioned, love with conditions, there's
many people go around and say, I love unconditionally or I love you if I love you, but
that type of stuff.
So examine yourself and see what kind of love are you, are you walking in?
Jesus' love made manifest. Jesus loved those when they couldn't love themselves. Guess what?
That's why we're here. That's why we're still here. That's why we're still alive and kicking,
because when everyone gave up on us, that spirit of Christ, which is love, never gave up on us.
And never will. Never will. That's why we're here. That's why you're here. And we are in
body mints of that love. We are the manifestation of Christ in us, the hope of glory, which is
This is the mystery of the gospel and that's very mystical, a mystical union with Christ
in you and you don't go to church when you find out you are the church and you are the
body and where as we come together, it gets deep ladies and gentlemen and we're here
to experience the depths of that love and that grace and how far does it actually go?
And you got to be able to follow that voice man because he said that my sheep know my voice
and a stranger's voice, they might follow a stranger's voice, sometimes they follow a stranger's
voice, oftentimes they follow if they're not praying. No, he says a stranger's voice, they will
not follow because they follow his voice. You got to be able to know the difference between the
voices. And that's what it's about. And trust that, I'll be scared with that. I'm going to say
peace and shalom if people want to add you as a friend because we're all family here we're
growing and it's really weird how synchronicities work together and God brings new people into
our lives and people who are just mirror images of what we believe and they help us on this
journey. If people want to add you on Facebook and what you're doing and want to connect with you
how can they reach you? I'm definitely on Facebook you could find me on his friends list or you
you look me up for as Chris bars and the last name it shouldn't be hard to find me
just put B.A.R.S. and you'll you'll see you'll see a picture of me in my wife so
we're just on his friends list but it's spelled differently look how
it's spelled differently yeah it's it's Polish yeah yeah look how it's spelled
just in case you're not friends with me if you're listening to this Chris
bars looking up he's a good brother expect great and mighty things from him
and his wife to come soon they're both stepping out in faith doing awesome work
for God in the area that he's graced a man and coming into learning.
It's awesome.
Very much so.
With that, I'm going to say peace in Shalom.
Again, thank you to everybody holding us down in the chat room here.
Super duper.
Thank you to everybody supporting my work on Patreon.
Again, you guys mean the world to me.
This guy here has been supporting me hands down for a couple of years now and everybody
who's doing it, a little goes a long way.
And so if you want to do that, head on over to patreon.com.
Backslashtrusica.
There's new music, new stuff.
Did you hear some of the new music?
Oh, it's just about to say, for you people, oh my gosh.
That's not even on Patreon.
Yeah, it's not on Patreon yet, but be ready for you
that love his music.
I told him to call was like 3, 3, 3, 3, that's mine.
That's mine, that's mine.
And then he starts showing me all this new stuff.
That's not even on Patreon, which if you're not on Patreon,
you need to get on Patreon because you're
hearing some good stuff here, OK?
like the new stuff though, oh my god.
I'm blown away.
There's no words for what he's talking about guys.
It's amazing.
I'm excited to get it out and it's about to come out.
Yeah.
Check it out.
Grim says bin waiting, LOL.
Yeah.
No doubt.
It'll be worth it, Grim.
Grim, Tina, Carolyn, everybody in the chat.
You guys are awesome.
I love y'all.
And with that, I'm going to say peace in Shalom.
We'll catch you guys on the next one.
There's a lot more coming.
My inbox is getting flooded with guests
want to come on the show and I'm going to be doing some solo stuff here as well some solo
podcasts breaking out some music and lyrics and getting into some more teaching I've got a bunch
of stuff I just got to sit down and focus on to go ahead and finish it I got a bunch of stuff
started so I just got to finish each one so I can bring something else to the table that's
within me that we've been promising to bring different teachings and stuff like that so with
That piece of shalom, love you guys. Peace, peace.