Communicating With Enlightened Beings | Who Are The Z's? | Lee Harris
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I'm speaking with Lee Harris you just
come out with a new book energy speaks I
have it here Lee thanks for coming on
the podcast man how are you
I'm good thanks for having me good stuff
here man we cover these topics a lot
channeling what does that look like is
it real
how do I test it hearing voices feeling
impressions a lot of that kind of stuff
so I want to get into that with you
today I guess a good place to start off
man just kind of give a quick intro
about who you are what you bring to the
table we'll go from there
great so basically you know I work as a
channeler and energy intuitive a
musician and have done that now for 15
years I never thought that would be a
job but but that's just kind of what
happened to me I started doing readings
for people 15 years ago and it just
carried on building into other other
ways of delivering spiritual messages
and tools for people awesome so how did
you get started in that so like you know
when was the first time you were
receiving messages or you knew it was
something to actually interact with and
you know almost receiving divine
inspiration from another place like when
did you you know become aware of that so
like now I look back and I see that I
was a very sensitive kid but I didn't
understand that at the time so kind of
the way I mean I you know I grew up in a
in a loving family and it to all intents
and purposes on the outside you know
life looked fine but something was kind
of gnawing away at me and so I turned it
into addictive eating I was taking to
Weight Watchers aged ten and then
multiple diet clinics and all that kind
of stuff through my teens so my way of
dealing with what I was feeling at the
time was to turn it on myself and it was
only really in my late teens that I
started to come out of that and started
to lose weight started to learn how to
express myself and
and and things started to happen I would
go to metaphysical readings like a tarot
card reading with a friend or and and
when I would go to those things
something felt true to me that that felt
lacking in normal life and over a period
of years I explored things like this I
went to healing workshops just for
myself to try and continue to grow and
to uncover myself from everything I've
gone through as a teen and when I was 23
I was on the tube on the way to work the
to being the London Underground train in
London and yeah I was just sifting
through all the negative thoughts in my
head probably many of them negative
anyway and literally there was one
thought I was having that was an issue I
was having with someone in my life and
literally from the left there was this
voice that I'd never heard before
and still to this day I hear it from the
left and it said that's an interesting
theory but you're wrong here's what's
going on and you know first you think oh
god am i schizophrenic what the hell is
this because I could I could have this
back and forth conversation but I
because I'd known about guides but I
never thought that would happen to me I
thought that was just you know for the
for certain people in the world it
wasn't what I was looking for
they were like yep we're your guides
we've been here all along you've just
never been able to hear us and so that
that began a process for about five
months of going home from work every day
writing down questions to them about my
life or the world at large and then
writing down their answers which is what
I recommend to everybody who's looking
into channelling because then you can
actually step back and go is it useful
is it helpful is it kind you know
because they were never they were never
judgmental toward me they didn't stroke
my ego they were loving but they were
firm and so I never felt belittled or
diminished by their my only ever felt
like they if I asked them something they
could help me see it in a bigger clearer
more open way
do you think that that process is
something similar to what the biblical
prophets and disciples and stuff we're
experiencing hearing the voices of God
or the Holy Spirit or angels speaking
and they literally would you know was
gonna write it down and see if it if
it's stuck you think it's a similar
process I'm sure because because one of
the things I do people will sometimes
say I'd love to channel and they get
very hung up on the fact that they want
to hear their guide and I always say
don't worry about whether you're hearing
your guide or not speak to your soul
your higher-self god whatever or whoever
is for you it's not so much for me about
which specific higher source is coming
from it's really the how how it affects
your life and how it changes your own
human view because there are things that
my guides will talk to me about that is
not the same viewpoint I have and is is
not the the same way I see the world and
it carries a kind of feeling for me that
that's very different to when I'm just
figuring things out myself or even being
intuitive myself it's like another level
so I'm I'm sure for me it all for all of
us so much is accessible outside
ourselves so yeah I'm for sure it's the
same process for me I'm gonna go ahead
and jump to a question here in the chat
in it but Kris garner wants to know what
were some of the confirmations that
helped you know that it was truly the
guide speaking like were there certain
tests or did you test the information or
how did you know that you had this
connection within access to knowledge
that you weren't actually privy to in
the waking State there were a couple of
different things there were things they
would talk to me about that I'd never
heard of and then I would hear other
people talking about them months down
the line which you know of course is
only proof for me it's not something
that I can prove to other people but
honestly I didn't really care too much
what someone else thought because at the
time it wasn't something I was doing
publicly so
that the big tests for me were me going
to them with what I thought were quite
big problems and that weren't very
solvable so in my personal life I would
ask them questions about certain
relationships and they would tell me not
just what was going on with my ego but
they would talk about what was going on
for that person and it would help me see
that person in a completely different
light so I might have been in judgment
of that person or defensive against that
person and they would not only help me
see that but that's what I was doing but
they would talk about what was going on
for that person and I would suddenly
then go back to see that person in the
room and go oh wow I've never seen what
they're struggling with or I'd never
seen what's motivating them to behave
that way so I would say that for me that
the proof was that they helped
illuminate any area I was asking my
focus to go on and I always used to say
and I still say this you know if I die
and someone says oh by the way you
thought that was your guides but it
wasn't I really couldn't care you know
it's like if that's the only way that I
you know that I am shown to understand
at this time that's that's fine because
I'm not trying to win a contest about
what the form is for me I think that the
the most important thing with any kind
of not just channeling but with a friend
who gives you advice does it work is it
helpful does it enhance your life
because to me they are like just friends
who aren't in the body yeah that's very
strange you say that because I like you
know I'm saying my um frame of reference
comes back to Christianity right and
into like the prophetic movement where
we're hearing the voice of God hearing
angels and having visitations by the
prophets of old and other beings or
whatever of the light and so I remember
there was like some scrutiny from some
friends of the family for the guy who
actually um saying got me involved in
that and it was always a scrutiny like
you guys are making this up what if it's
not real what if this what if that was
like look we're helping people were
having fun were you know I'm saying
aiding to or you know I'm saying not
only our lives but the people around us
and we're having fun so at the end of
the day if there was something that came
out in this
fake I mean it yeah and it's not real
we're having fun and we're doing good
helping people you know so it's real to
us and so it's very funny that like this
conversation expands tradition and
religion I've had I've had this
conversation with many different people
and I approach it from a Christian
perspective and it's it's so similar so
with that being said the books entitled
energy speaks subtitle messages from
spirit on living loving and awakening
what is spirit to you is that the same
thing as God I've have different people
on here who say that that spirit is not
God it's something totally different is
it like is it God who likes actually
orchestrates all of the stuff that
happen and and sends out these types of
beings to you to be involved with you I
mean that's how we would look at it in
like a Christian tradition but how was
it looked at from you know the term
spirit versus God well it's interesting
because I believe it was the publisher
who suggested that that word was in that
was in the sub subheading so it wasn't
actually something I I I actually
engineered myself but my my because I
wasn't raised a Christian so I don't
come from the same tradition but the way
I tend to experience spirit is I think
of spirit as all-encompassing so it can
encompass God it can encompass guides it
can encompass your soul height but but
that you know that's the way I
understand that word we're all different
and we're all raised with certain words
and certain beliefs that we ascribe in
different ways so for me spirit is
really what's around us all the time
it's it's it's the life force that is
around us all the time so that that's
kind of how I see it but I know I know
in certain traditions is quite specific
how its seen yeah but I think I think
it's uh I think it's the same thing you
know it's just like you don't in the
terminologies and stuff like that so can
I say one thing actually because I loved
what you were saying a minute ago
about the kind of scrutiny and it mean
you know one of the things that I always
find really sad about our world is when
people want to fight about their faith
their religion I always think it's so
insane because I think that you know the
the core essence of religion or
spirituality is really I I feel to be
more loving and more communal toward one
another so it's interesting that you
know even in this arena there are these
people want to fight about the rules the
beliefs and I always find it so strange
that no one stops and examines the fact
that they're doing that if they really
follow the teachings they're following
and they aren't extremist religions that
are very separatist to other people and
other religions I always find it
fascinating that that that's just in our
culture and you know you mentioned some
of the scrutiny that you guys had and I
was never scared about my relationship
with my guides because it felt so true
and so home but I was definitely
intimidated to talk to people about it
because of how they would react and now
I'm older and I understand that I'm like
well it's in our culture to fight and to
push back and know this is my truth this
is your goddess and it to me there's
such an insanity in that they're always
I've always found that so bizarre yeah I
noticed a weird thing because like you
like it during this interview you're
saying the stuff that like is right out
of you know the Bible really and but
because you don't use certain terms and
phrases people would just throw it out
the window it's the same it's the same
exact thing as far as like the theory of
it and in the way that it works but
people are just caught up on those words
because they feel like they own it or
they're a part of it and so that's
something that will probably always be
there though you know they feel like
they own something like that um but you
know getting getting back to the the the
beans that you're and it's communication
with what are their names in how did
they tell you that well with some humor
because I said you know do you have
names because they said that we're
OOP and and I asked some questions and
they said well we're a group of 88
entities but we then extend wider into
source source being the name that they
give to the universe and they said you
can think of us as a consciousness
library they said some of us have been
incarnated on on earth before some of us
have never been incarnated we have some
Angelics in here so there there are kind
of group and a team and they so I said
do you have names and they said well we
don't really have names but we know that
we know that human beings like names so
they said you can call me Zachary and
I'm the lead spokesperson and then over
the years I met a couple more who came
forward and would speak and they
identified this feminine rather than
masculine and their names were Zakaria
and Ziya Dora and for a while I was
channeling all three differently and I
was definitely a little triggered you
know as a man or thought god is this
gonna really upset women but I'm kind of
you know channeling a woman and I would
understand that even though they said
well it's not really the same they said
masculine feminine energy our energies
and it's very fixed on earth how we how
we play it as a culture you know this is
a man this is a woman and they said and
that's part of the problem on your
planet in terms of consciousness and
love and oneness appearing more so at a
certain point they all became one group
again and people who followed my work
started referring to them as disease so
that's how this term disease stuck
because because when it was just one
voice channeling again they every
everyone had kind of christened them so
that's that's how that's why we now
refer to them as disease when they
actually channel now is this is this
something where whenever you do these
channeling sessions do you go into like
a trance-like state and then speak as
them or yeah this is something that you
have to articulate yourself and
communicate an idea or do you let them
speak through you how does that work
yeah it's not a trance and the process
to me is quite simple so right now we're
talking and
I could if there's a pause I could
literally go what's this about why am I
doing this right now and I'll tell me
it's safe for love but but if I was
channeling for a group how it tends to
work is I will see the first like
sentence so it would be something it's
kind of like a visual I'll close my eyes
and it will be welcome to today and your
new level of awakening and so if I start
by saying those words that I see then I
no longer see things and it just comes
through me but I'm not in a trance in
any way that I won't I could break it at
any moment and it's a little bit like
sitting behind myself and getting to
listen and usually when I've done like a
45-minute channel for a group or for a
recording I will come away and there
will be like three things that caught my
attention that I'll remember but I'll
tend to forget the rest as anybody does
if they speak for 45 minutes non-stop
you know yeah now is this something that
everybody can do and if everybody can do
it
is there a specific group of entities or
angels if some would say that are
assigned to them that you need to tap
into these guys or is it something that
we should seek out versus having it
happen organically like just trying to
communicate with different entities or
whatever the case may be with that or to
something you know how everyone else
approached something like this
well the way I the way I always put it
which is true for me is you know I am
NOT a chef that is not one of my skill
sets but if I went to chef school for
three months every single day Monday to
Friday I'm gonna come out of there and
I'm gonna and I may not be the most
talented chef in the world but I'm gonna
know how to put various meals together
because I have just gone through the
process of practicing and been taught so
I think anybody who is willing to
practice channeling can channel like I
said earlier the easiest thing for
anybody to do and I've led workshops
where I get people to do this is to sit
with a pen and paper or if you prefer
the computer or your phone use that and
just write down what does my soul or my
higher self or God however you want to
phrase it want me to know today and then
listen for some words and start writing
them and the trick is not to pay
attention to the words you you have to
be like a receptionist you know you're
just taking dictation which is how it
was for me and you can look at the
dictation later but when the words start
flowing just write them down and some
people get very upset if they think they
aren't speaking to their guides or
angels and I always say don't worry
about that get into the practice of
asking for some words to come that
aren't just thoughts in your head that
aren't just you kind of going about your
day that's you taking a focus moment to
open to something bigger than yourself
and I always say if if you are
interested in this kind of stuff you can
do that somebody whose ante this kind of
stuff against you know they probably
aren't going to do it because it's not
their world or their desire but I've
never met anybody come I've never had
anyone come to one of my workshops and
not be able to do this even though when
I usually announce it a small number of
the room look horrified because they
didn't think they were gonna have to do
it but I'd do it to show people how easy
it is and the more you practice it the
more in-depth the connection and the
information can become so is it kind of
like automatic writing almost like
tapping into that flow state and this
it's coming from somewhere you didn't
make it up it's beautiful words and it's
coming and you just got to get it out of
you and then you can kind of go back and
read through it is that kind of how it
works absolutely and I think sometimes
people will say what are the things I
hear all the time which you know I get I
get people's frustration they're like
well I did it but you know it was just
really nice it just said that I'm a
really nice person and I'm very loving
and it didn't really tell me anything
and I always say well do you do you say
that to yourself every day and they're
like no and I'm like well there you go
it's like you're being calibrated you're
being calibrated to a frequency of love
and support and the more you get used to
having a voice inside your head that
really really nice to you because
remember my story is I didn't have many
voices in my head that were very nice to
me at the time you know it was all I was
still coming on the back of self
judgment or self attack and sure you
know I wasn't living in that state all
the time but they were the thoughts in
my head that I was noticing and suddenly
this other one came in all right so I
just come in to play with you music as
well it's funny that that happened a
year before and I you know I I loved
music as a kid I loved singing in like
shows at school
and I loved pop music and then I
graduated more into kind of alternative
singer songwriters but I never thought
that that would be something I could do
and when I when I was twenty twenty-one
so just over a year before I heard the
voice of my guides I started hearing
music in my head and I learned like
three chords on a guitar and would start
bringing you know I had a tape recorder
and I would start recording these songs
so to me it might not sound like it to
someone who's not created music before
but that to me was like a miracle I was
I was just blown away by the fact that I
could you know hear these things in the
ether and bring them down and and and
kind of write words around them and as a
news the warden is my favorite art form
it was just like a miracle to me and now
I often
we-we've music into the work that I do
which we didn't do for many years but it
just kind of organically started
happening so the thing I love about
music and why for me is such a spiritual
thing is it's your senses you don't have
to understand the mathematics behind how
the music was composed but music moves
into your body and and and moves your
emotions and your feelings and sometimes
your feet and you know rhythms in your
brain it's it's so powerful that's
awesome man
we've had experiences in church and it's
kind of a big thing where they call it
pretty much singing prophetically over
someone so to be in a in a session where
this beautiful music playing and they'll
have a song that they do but then they
extend the song and kind of what they
call be led of the Spirit and they'll go
you know different places on and the you
up stand with the music with with the
guitars and stuff and everybody kind of
shifts and makes this new song that they
start singing and then the vocalists
will begin to speak prophetically as God
as the Holy Spirit releasing things over
people or removing things off of people
and things like that so you know I'm
saying I feel like it's very much
similar to that in in you know the music
has a big part to play in that of that
just facilitating we can call it the
trance state it's really easy to get in
if you put some soothing music on in the
background so you don't say that's
that's yeah that's amazing we got some
more questions here and everybody's
blowing up the chat you got some fans
here hanging out and we got some mutual
fans that's really cool they're saying
hey listen Italy so that is really cool
people want to know and this may be from
some of their experience but they're
wanting to know about discerning between
the dark energies or the you know I'm
Sam and Evelyn entities that are trying
to talk to them or or say things to them
so have you had any experience with dark
entities and you know how do how do
people kind of you know I'm saying tell
the difference between the two
you know I've probably had far more
experience because I don't think I've
had any experience of channeling dark
entities
I can't think of any time that that has
happened but I have had plenty with
people I have had plenty of times that
the darkness in people has come after me
and remember you know I kind of talked
about you know I had my own darkness in
my childhood you know kind of a place I
developed him myself where I would
destructively eat so I think you know I
think we all have some darkness in us I
don't think you can live on earth
without kind of thing somewhere between
light and dark
I've never I've never had dark entities
in the spirit world but I've definitely
had to learn boundaries with the
darkness of other human beings coming
after me and I don't mean that to sound
horror movie I think it happens to all
of us all the time and most people are
unconscious it's like the person who
will railroad you or who will you know
and they're probably doing it because of
abandonment or because of a life of
rejection but if you don't hold your own
when you're in that kind of energy dance
with somebody you can get affected and
infected by their energy and then have
to recover from it or let go of it so
I've evolved in some dark relationship
dynamics for sure yeah man that's so
funny you say those two words together
because before we went laughs those were
the two words that I was kind of thrown
around in the ethers myself kind of I'm
saying thinking about that it was it was
term affected by the spirit realm and
those other entities that people were
dealing was being affected but then the
job too infected as well so it's really
synchronistic that you used that where
the synchronicity come into play 333
1111 444 1212 seeing these numbers
repeating themselves over and over is
this a way that they communicate with
you yes it's funny one of my best and
one of my greatest teachers I was 19
years old
Amanda Amanda Burton off who lives in
England
she recognized intuition in me and she
said you're very intuitive do you know
that and I was like oh no no you know I
kind of didn't know what not me I said I
didn't know what she was talking about a
new intuition was and I was a fan of it
but I didn't think I had it and she
started pointing out synchronicities and
symbols and she said do you see the same
symbols in certain places and I was like
well yeah but doesn't everybody you know
I wasn't making anything of it so for me
symbols numbers they're confirmation but
you know one thing all my life and I
share this with people and a lot of
other people have this experience is
songs you know you're having a rough day
and you know you're driving and you like
it
your head about something and suddenly
this song you know Peter Gabriel and
Kate Bush don't give up comes on the
radio and if you pay attention you know
or your or your shuffle if you've got
you know an iPhone or an iPod puts a
certain song on and the universe will
kind of send that to you so I'm a big
believer in kind of the more we can keep
our eyes open more of the time to the
idea that there are signs and people and
events that are trying to enter our day
and communicate with us I I'm a big
believer in that because it's something
I've experienced for a couple decades
now yeah yeah that's awesome like I
really resonated with the music thing
too of just being able to tell like one
thing like as far as like tapping and
prophetically I was having all these
weird experiences where I knew the next
song that was gonna be on the radio and
then it would come on and I would I
would say the first few lyrics four
seconds later those lyrics would come on
and it was just like really weird so it
was so much so that I would I called in
to the radio station and was like hey is
there a loop do you guys play these same
songs every day and I just know because
I know what song is coming next and
they're like no this is all random I was
like that's great so I'm just going to
get to the bottom of it but it's cool
that you said that you know everybody
says the numbers thing you know the 333
and all that kind of stuff but it's cool
that you said that you want to see the
information you want to prove the
information and it's usually phrases
from me a lot too we'll see billboards
and things like that just things that
the way that that you I'm saying they're
communicating but a phrase that you've
never heard in your life
that comes to you randomly and then you
start hearing it everywhere or whatever
the case is but the information that
comes through as well so like it's kind
of weird I ask people what you know I'm
saying what does the synchronicity mean
a lot of times they say pay attention to
the information well sometimes there is
no information it's just numbers I kind
of feel like it's God spirit source
dropping breadcrumbs
letting you know hey you on the right
path keep going here's the bread well
and keep following it's interesting like
what you said they say pay attention to
the information I also think the
information is something weird
scribe so for example I have a few sets
of numbers that are kind of happy for me
you know I've put them in certain
aspects of my life so I will see those
numbers but I to me they're just that
it's like a wink from the universe it's
not necessarily information it's like oh
cool there's my numbers or like you said
I have that with billboards with it's
it's where do your eyes land that you
weren't expecting to land and do you pay
attention to what they land on or to
take it to another level you know you're
struggling and you're like universe help
me out here in the next hour can
something happen that just gives me a
little lift yeah and it might not be
that you get a phone call it might not
be that someone gives you a gift of some
kind it might just be that if you're
paying attention you will see like your
favorite musical artists in a store that
they shouldn't be in you know and it's
like how you know it's so these signs
that it's it's all like it's okay it's
like it's gonna be okay it might be a
rough moment it might be a rough month
but it's gonna be okay and I think we
all need to remember that because it can
be challenging to to be alive it can be
beautiful and it can be really
challenging and for all of us the more
we can be somewhere in the middle the
more balance we tend to be that's good
so why is this important now it's just
not just a hobby it's just something to
get into why is the information that's
coming through and channeling important
for today I you know I feel like I
remember in the 80s my mom my mom
started going to something called yoga
and we were like what's yoga you know
it's kind of like this weird thing and
that was you know almost what 40 years
ago and now Yoga is just a part of
certain people's routine and I feel like
for me personally the more people can
channel for themselves and I don't mean
guides or energies necessarily but even
just remembering that you can sit down
with a pen and paper and speak to the
highest wisest part of yourself it's
very empowering because it reminds us
that we can connect to something bigger
than ourselves and that we are connected
to it it's not
something distant or separate from us so
I I'm kind of I didn't intend to release
this book I was gonna release a
completely different book in in my words
and that book wasn't working and a
series of events led to me to realize
that you know people who follow my work
would I had some self-published material
and they would all say God I've got that
by my bedside so I went back to the
publisher and said hey how do you feel
about this and they went we would love
to so that was kind of how this book
came about so I feel like hopefully what
this book does is not just give people
information from my guides but reminds
them that any of us can do it and that
the energy in the book can help you just
connect with whatever that is for you
I'm glad you said that like there are
some people who it's only them like they
are the Prophet for the end of the world
they're here to teach humanity and the
emphasis is on them it's a very much a
egoic thing and those are some real
conversations to be had with those
people who claim to be that they're the
only ones who can do this and those are
really weird conversations but it's
about letting people know cuz I mean
people are having these encounters
whether we want to acknowledge them or
not so helping people find some type of
clarity on how you know just to know
that they're not crazy let's at least
have the conversation is a huge reason
why it's important is people who were
drugging themselves they're addicted to
all types of substance to try to quiet
the voices or you know they're putting
children on on different medications to
quiet the voices they're you know I'm
saying drugging the prophets and the
seers of the next generation and we need
to talk about this stuff so I think
that's why it's important as well how we
know one thing can I just throw one
thing in there cuz I love what you just
said you know what has blown my mind so
I have been a public channel of for
about well 15 years since I did readings
but it was 13 years ago that things
first started appearing on YouTube and
stuff which is when you go to a whole
other level of meeting people you know
you're not really connected to you as
you know yeah and I can't tell you how
many people will like secretly come up
to me if they know what I do at a party
or in a
session they they hired me for and
they'll you know they'll be like CEOs of
huge businesses or people who just you
would look at them and you wouldn't know
and they'll go I cannot do you know and
I've had like interviewers say that to
me and they say I would never do it on
television and I'm standing there you
know you know great I'm being
interviewed by you you know it's like
okay I'll throw myself under the bus
first but what it what it showed me was
that just this that the fear and the
stigma that that's out there about it
but so many people have this connection
and and I think it all of it is on the
rise whether it's people experiencing
channeling whether it's people waking up
people seeing that there's a bigger
world than the world we all grew up
being told was the world and I think
that's very evident right now so yeah
that's awesome
how important is sleep because you got a
whole chapter dedicated to sleep how
important is sleep with with I guess
channeling but just you know just our
our spiritual health in general you know
one one of the things that was
fascinating to me that there's a there's
a channel in the book called sleep and I
think the subtitle is a surprising key
to self mastery and what they explained
was was a couple things number one we
process things in the sleep state that
we can't or don't need to process in the
day so sometimes people wake up and they
go oh I had a horrible nightmare last
night and and now if I have a horrible
nightmare
I'm like well I thank God that happened
you know in the sleep state because it I
wonder what it protected me from in the
day that I didn't need to process that
much fear in the day because they said
that the only difference between a
sleeping person and a dead body is a
pulse they said in terms of your soul
goes it kind of opens out again at night
while you're asleep so one of the pieces
of advice that they give is to create
your own sleep remedies as intentions
before you go to bed so if you've had a
really stressful day you could go to lie
down in bed and say
you know guides or universe please help
me wake up tomorrow refreshed and ready
to actually be very consciously
intending that sleep can be a healing
state but that we forget that we can
suggest before we go to bed what it is
we would like to experience and so I
thought that was really interesting
that's awesome
I have to say it works too having used
it many times but I didn't know that
before it really it really does
something when you're that conscious
about your sleep it does there's a
scripture in the Bible that says His
mercies are new every morning so you
know if you have a rough day you can't
wait to get to the bed and so we you you
like live with that intention that when
I get to bed I'm gonna sleep this off
I'm gonna wake up the next morning and
would be a different person all of that
weight that I was carrying it's gonna be
gone and I believe it so when I go to
bed I receive it I wake up the next
morning you know revitalized and and you
don't send all that but it's going to
bed with the intention I mean we're
talking about having people having lucid
dreams and encountering different angels
or beans in their sleep as well like you
know if you go to sleep with those
intentions I mean that's you know that's
what you're supposed to do - like induce
this stuff but you know it's funny
though because everything just kind of
come it's like a mirror you know have
you saying this stuff I'm like yep I
know what he's talking about go to sleep
wake up the next morning feeling like a
million bucks you know I love I love
hearing it the way you the way you're
describing it - because like I said I I
haven't I haven't studied the Bible I
don't know Christianity but it is
amazing to me how it all it all
interlocks it's just we've we've kind of
learnt it through different systems or
languages or yeah it's the same thing
but lovely yeah it's the same thing as
universal at the end of the day cuz
absolutely because like I'll have people
on the show and I would like are you
sure you weren't into Christian are you
sure you didn't study this saying like
no I've never heard what you're talking
about we're we're saying the same exact
thing and we've come to the same
conclusions but through very different
paths so hold on this there's a bigger
message there at the end of the day
something this if it's of love and
of life and maybe you got to go through
the darkness I think we all have to mom
speaking of the darkness in the dark
entities and everybody's kind of caught
up on that if I know that the universe
works in such a way that you're gonna
find whatever you're looking for so if
you're looking for dark entities if you
I think you should be trained to see
them like you were saying you you're
dealing with them on other people it
sounds like me I don't I don't I've got
I've got the words demon hunter tattooed
on my arm that was a big thing looking
for demons everywhere and dealing with
my own but um when I tap in I don't I
don't deal with demons trying to possess
me and all of that kind of stuff anymore
that people think which you know you're
watching a lot of horror movies and
letting a lot of that stuff in you got a
deal with the darkness Beaudette
whatever you're looking for you're gonna
find I think we should be trained to
discern between the spirits as they're
speaking through other people or other
people our hosts that we're dealing with
so we got to deal with that but where's
your relationship now if you want to
call them demons or the Dark Knight or
your past what like how do you like
what's your relationship with that now
now I'm thankful that I went through the
dark night and I had to deal with those
demons early on as a teenager and as a
kid because it's made me the man that I
am today without them I would probably
wouldn't be I wouldn't be I wouldn't be
thankful for life I wouldn't be thankful
for health and family and all that kind
of stuff
where's your relationship now when you
look back at the past and the darkness
and things like that that's a really
good question I II know I like you I I
stand on the shoulders of my past so I
am grateful for I'm grateful for
everything that happened and I actually
think that if I hadn't have so
desperately needed self growth work and
metaphysics and and all of those things
even though at the time I didn't
understand this could be work that I was
doing for other people I I don't think I
would be as passionate about what I do
now because I know what it's like to go
from because there's two different ways
I work really you know my work goes
between healing or thriving some
people come to me for healing some
people come to me to learn how to thrive
more and often you know I think it's
always a little bit of both for all of
us so I for me when I look back on what
I went through I'm so grateful when I
look out into the world now and I see a
certain level of emotional awareness
emotional intelligence that wasn't
around when I was a kid a level of
vulnerable communication that we have in
the world that is there for young kids
growing up now that would have saved me
if I'd seen it out there yeah that that
that that's kind of how I how I kind of
sit with it all but young I'm grateful
I'm grateful I'm here today and I'm
where I am today because I've come a
long way as I think we all have but when
you were going through it it was a
different story right oh when I was
going through it was it was hell and and
it was it was it was closeted hell
because some parts of life looked fine
and I and I think that was the the kind
of gift of doing this work what I
realized was everyone's dealing with
something and it doesn't mean everyone's
actively unhappy at every stage of their
life but everyone's got a challenge and
if somebody's fairly happy in their own
life and this is why I always say you
must never envy anybody else's life
based on what you think you're seeing
about it I remember very clearly there
was a woman who was really envious of
her friend's life and then she found out
that her friend's husband had been dying
from cancer for a year and they hadn't
told everybody and she had been and I
thought that was such a good
she was envious of her friend's life on
Instagram because they were going on all
these holidays and they always looked
like they were happy well they knew they
were at the end of his life so they were
living but they weren't gonna tell
people that because they didn't want
everyone's pity and I thought that was a
fantastic awakener to to the way our own
mind was tell us stories about other
people that aren't actually true they're
just our own ego reflecting something or
reflecting our own wound so um yeah
doing spiritual work there's a lot of
people who were trying to move into a
place where they can pursue spirituality
or use their
you know giftings and abilities to make
a living for themselves to be able to do
this for full-time things like that but
there's something that we have to get
over it's just relationship with money
everyone has a different connotation
when it comes to money that money means
I mean even in the Bible to say that the
love of money is the root of all evil
and then you actually have a chapter
called loving money so there's a weird
disconnect if people think that money is
evil or I shouldn't get paid to do what
I love you know there's all of these
different ideas that come in when we're
talking about money and energy and being
you know paid for what you love to do
you know how can we change that
relationship with the way that we look
at money well it's interesting because I
was hesitant to let that chap to be
called loving money but they were very
insistent about it and I get it because
I think it's such a paradox that title
because I don't think we have a love of
money and I don't necessarily think that
as a world we should love the financial
system we're in and there's a hell of a
lot that I look at in our both our
financial system and particularly for me
as a British person living in America
you know the health care system here is
insane to me and and and is kind of
horrifying when I when I look at how
people can't have their basic needs met
and they're really struggling so there's
a lot of distorted energy around money
but if we just come back to your
personal relationship with it and
specifically healers and you know one of
the things that you will see if you are
becoming a healer online is there will
be somebody who will say on a comment
you shouldn't be charging for this is
spiritual and I'm always like you know I
didn't overly study the Bible but I'm
sure Jesus was getting donations of food
and shelter which at the time was the
currency because they didn't have bank
accounts so you know the the idea it's
it's such an insane argument because
it's not your gift that you get paid for
it's your energy in your time and
nobody can do this work full-time unless
they're you know maybe a millionaire in
a multi-millionaire and they don't need
to earn money which is a whole other
whole other stratosphere but most of us
aren't in that position so loving money
is really asking us to examine how have
you seen money all your life who and
what influenced your ideas about money
and how can you rewire that and it was
an interesting chapter for me because it
was probably first channeled about eight
years ago and I look at I look at my
journey around money and it's been a
kind of steady one but when I started I
was donation-based hila and it was ten
pounds which is about fifteen dollars
and I would spend ninety minutes for you
you know writing out this this channel
and then re-editing it and sending it to
you as a 2,000 word document and now you
know we have a company where I employ
ten people a month
- not full-time but ten different
creatives and the money that comes in
for the courses and everything that we
do I can plow back into production and
creative work and a lot of the free
stuff that goes out so I completely see
the balanced wheel of the money that
comes to what I do has gone out and is
serving more people than ever before for
free so I think you have to understand
with money you've got to be insane to
want to have ten million dollars sitting
in a bank account and you know or
rolling on a bed full of dollars you
know that that might thrill you for 10
minutes and then you'll get over it
because you'll realize it in itself is
empty but money is a resource that we
can be ambassadors of and too many
people forget that they're like oh I
don't deserve three million dollars and
I'm always like you won't be sitting in
three million dollars you will be if you
have three million dollars you'll buy
your mom a house you'll give this
charity some money you'll invest in a
business that's doing good in the world
if you've got more than you need and
you're truly spiritual you will be
benevolent with that money nobody needs
you know I kind of that blew my mind
when I saw the Osho documentary when
they had like a hundred Rolls Royces but
I was like okay if I step away from
judgment of that
was that somehow important at the time
that spiritual people could be I I don't
know I mean I can't really get into that
but I remember thinking why have they
got a hundred Rolls Royces sitting on
that land think of what that money could
do for the community and anyway that's
just how I think and that was that was a
long time ago so I think loving money is
something we have to really allow like
can we be grateful for the money that we
have their supports are life because
it's it's a resource that supports
experiences that we have with each other
on the planet and if we demonize money
or if we live in fear of money we are
gonna block abundance coming to us yeah
yeah we'll start pushing away blessings
and stuff I'd like if you look at it as
like a time to money ratio like there's
like millions of billions of people
working at dead-end jobs where they hate
going there they they loathe it they
don't want to be there and they're
working 40 50 60 hours per week at a
place where would that they hate they
don't want to be there they have to be
there because the company gives great
health care you know they have great
dental and you have a family and yeah
sick and so that's it
like that's just this weird place that
that we live in but just think if you
get to wake up and spend 40 50 60 hours
per week doing what you love and being
able to make a living doing it whatever
it is being a podcaster being a healer
being a musician like being able to
bring that into your reality is that
something that the the beings will help
you do especially like if I mean you
know I don't think it's you know many of
our callings to work at a dead-end job
and be tired and not be able to that's
not our I think we're meant for form
saying more than that so is that
something that you can work with them
when how do I bring this into my reality
you know I I for me that that that was a
learning curve that I undertook as a
human being so definitely you know I was
lucky in that the way that they were
able to help people was something that
people wanted but then they came a point
when I shifted from own
the channeling and started working with
people as an intuitive coach and kind of
sitting in between the higher
information and where that person was
because that to me was where the gold is
it's like we can have a higher piece of
information and we got all that sounds
great but then something rises in our
body in reaction to it and that's the
piece that we have to work so what I had
to yeah what I had to learn over the
years was how do you make this happen so
I did a lot of work on myself to be
honest and that's what I would encourage
anybody I investigated I knew I had a
big mission vision but I also knew that
would require more money because it
wasn't I couldn't do 80 hours a week by
myself to try and make that happen I
mean I did for a while and I tried it
but it didn't work so I had to work my
own relationship to abundance over the
years I worked with coaches I worked
with business mentors because business
was not the world I had been trained in
it was something that started to grow
around me and suddenly dealing with
different employees and a budget every
month was something I had to figure out
and understand so what I always say is
you can learn anything like if you
really care about something you can
learn anything and and but but give
yourself time like don't try and become
you know a big company in a year if you
really care about your mission you'll go
this might take me five to ten years but
I'm gonna get there and and what I love
about now is there's so many resources
out there to help people with this so
last year I started myself I offered a
course called impact the world and it
was how healers creatives and
entrepreneurs become who they are here
to be because I wanted to do something
that we talked about the front side of
the work but also all the ups and downs
that you go through so I'll be doing
that again next year and I have an
online course called own your value for
healers and entrepreneurs but I mean I'm
talking about what I've done I just
added another thing to the pot of
everything that's out there and I love
that about this time I feel like the
Internet has so many free resources and
podcasts and things that you can listen
to that will help you align
what you want to do and and to not think
that you should have all that down
because it's a learning curve and so
you're gonna learn how to become the
person who can do that in the world give
yourself time get the mentors the
podcasts the help you need and just chip
away one one week at a time yeah
definitely I know III enjoyed listening
to different spiritual podcast or even
the Joe Rogan podcast when I was driving
for a living I'd listen to all these
podcasts but then knowing that I wanted
to do podcasting for a living that I
wanted to be a healer and those things I
started listening to podcast about
podcasting like tell you how to set it
up and etiquette and what to do and what
not to do so I mean you know you have to
get um you know you really have to you
know I'm saying be a Berean you have to
be a a researcher to learn everything
about it and do it with excellence and
there's a lot of people that they're
good at what they do as far as the
content that they create but they have
no idea how to market it how to get it
out there to people and then again it
comes becomes practical you know whether
it's if you release some music you can
have the the best song or the best album
and you release it and nobody hears it
and then eventually you're gonna get
tired with it and you're gonna create a
new song other songs gonna follow on the
back burner and I I deal with so many
artists today who do that and they you
know they sell seven albums and they're
on to the next one yeah that's some
golden material but they don't know how
to work with people or actually get that
kind of stuff out there so I love having
love that you're bringing this out
because I think that's such a tricky
area like I was very very against you
know if I had the word marketing or sell
your thing it kind of made my body
crackle Micah I kind of you know I had a
problem with it and I learned they were
right because if you aren't willing to
tell somebody about your thing then your
thing will disappear and what really
helped me was as I took on team members
which felt like the truth and I would
always take on team members right to the
limit of what I was earning so you know
I like for a year I took on a team
member and paid them
I paid myself about 70% of what I was
paying them because I felt like if I
invested in the business for a year and
I did that that would help us grow but
but one of the things that that really
struck me around that was that put a
pressure on me to to market things
because I was paying other people's
wages so that helped me get over myself
and just go you've got to tell people
about this stuff and I think it goes
back to that whole asking for money
thing people go I can't ask people for
money and I'm like you're not asking
people for money you're offering them
something that you really believe in and
I always find this sad with musicians
because as we know you and I it's
expensive to make recorded music like
it's one of the biggest losses in the
world right now you you spend a fortune
and a gazillion hours on a song for
three cents so it's 99 cent download
that no one buys and they'll stream it
and you know and so so you know I have
I've lost so much money on music over
the years and that's okay because it's
my passion yeah but but you know that's
one of the ironies to me it's like you
have to you can you can make the best
creativity in the world and hey again if
you're a millionaire and you're giving
it away or you don't care whether it's
seen but I argue that's not true for
most creators fine throw it out there
and don't think about it again but
actually I know for me I am so happy
when someone I'm a fan of sends me a
newsletter saying I've got a new album
out I will buy the album I will buy the
t-shirt you know and I want to engage
because those things have great value to
me but if you hide the value that you
have if you're like oh I can't tell
people about this either because you're
scared of the few people who might look
at you critically you will stay small
and I'm not saying that as a judgement
that's just a fact so I really had to I
had to I went through a lot of inner
burn in myself for years around feeling
shy or feeling worried about like
putting my stuff in front of people and
eventually I got over it because I
thought this isn't about me yeah this
isn't about how I feel this is about
I've got something that I know can help
people I also know I put a load of free
stuff into the world that helps people
so
if no one I'm not forcing anyone to buy
anything but I am not hiding what's
there either I'm willing to tell them
hey if this resonates for you this thing
is here yep yep definitely man I do that
too so we actually go live and we do
like live prayer and we give advice and
stuff like that and I make sure that we
do something free because we also have
services that we provide that cost money
and so I would hate to not be able to be
there for that person or they get left
out because they can't afford a session
with me or whatever the case is so I'll
make sure that there's enough free
resources out there or we do go live and
we open up the phone lines and we're
here to talk for two hours this night or
whatever cases so you know there's
there's there's different things that we
have we have to do to to be okay or to
be to be comfortable with what we're
doing because we don't want to you know
you know you never want to leave
somebody out because they can't afford
you or whatever the case is but what
time and energy and effort it costs a
lot of money and there's a lot of money
that goes into creating music and
creating websites and creating a podcast
and on the backend so yeah you would you
I mean you would hope to be paid for
what you do I'm still blown away that I
get to do what I love and people see
value in it like creating music I
remember when I couldn't beg anybody to
buy a CD or buy you know or even just
listen to my music and now you know you
know I'm saying people support it all
over the world so it's interesting
that's awesome and I love by the way
that you're doing patreon I love patreon
I support a couple of people on patreon
already and I just think it's such an
amazing system it is it's so crazy I
couldn't do it without it man so it's
yeah it's the thing it's so weird
because like you have a you have a few
people on there who do a lot you know
what I'm saying that they really believe
in you they believe in the message and
the artwork and the music and the
podcast and whatever they believe in
that they want to financially get behind
you in fund it because especially with
music like there's not a lot of money in
this stuff and I'm the you know the
music cost money and then shooting
videos and all that kind of stuff it
gets expensive and you don't send the
return on that doesn't add up for an
independent artist unless you're touring
full-time
yeah and you know not everybody can do
that but yeah patrons are a beautiful
model um right here at the end of the
show man that the book is called energy
speaks I'm gonna put a link to this in
the description wherever you listening
to this a so people can purchase it but
if there was one thing that people had
to take away from this book what would
that message be you know that that
energy is speaking to us all of the time
and the the more we see that and the
more we feel that and the more we can
interpret that the richer life becomes
that that's kind of been the truth of my
life and for other people I know who who
have that experience so I hope that the
book helps you uncover some of some of
that and the reason that I shared my
story at the beginning is like you said
earlier a lot of channelers that I knew
I didn't know anything about their life
and I sometimes would have people come
up to me at channelling events
projecting onto me thinking that because
I was channeling the Z's that I was them
or that I had their perspective all the
time which of course I didn't so the
reason I put my my story at the
beginning was so that you could see you
know very very seemingly ordinary life
and then this supposedly extraordinary
thing happened but for me my message is
it isn't extraordinary if it's as
ordinary for me as just part of my daily
routine then that's the truth for
everybody yeah I mean that's beautiful
man when we look at people like you know
Abraham Hicks and Abraham like I love
the information that comes through but I
love her story more so they ever
listened to her I mean when she went on
Oprah and told her story and you like
you kind of see yourself in that story
you know what I'm saying for people who
are having those type of encounters
we're looking for people who are like
gonna speak for us like man what he's
saying I've been through that I know
what he's talking about I felt those
those you know shifts and energy and I
get those voices speaking to me and you
know I said what do I do with it we
don't know there's not a lot of teachers
or anything but you know I think I think
I think the the game is changing now I
think it's shifting now a lot of people
are becoming more confident in who they
are and in their abilities and we're not
scared but it takes those
you people to stick their neck out and
receive the judgement received the
ridicule the finger-pointing
but in the end it you see you see what
it does for people that it uh it changes
their life and and like I've talked
about it because I was talking about
this stuff in church and we would talk
about like psilocybin mushroom
encounters and and you know say hey ask
and stuff like that and and my friends
who felt the same way they would say why
are you talking about this you're gonna
get fired from your job they were gonna
laugh at you you're not gonna be
welcomed in certain places and I'm like
I have to talk about it because you
won't yeah you guys believe the same
thing and I've had these encounters but
you won't talk about them it's all the
more reason why I have to and then when
that's how good people resonate with it
yeah but that that that's what creates
shame for us and shame is one of the
most destructive energies for any of us
towards ourselves or towards other
people so if we can be honest with each
other about all of the stuff that's
going on it would completely change the
world so I love that you were doing that
that's fantastic I will say one other
thing just quickly for anybody who you
know maybe you don't want to get the
book but you're interested in seeing me
channeling there's a brilliant
journalist called Regina Meredith and
she's a friend and she has a show on
Gaia TV called open minds so we did a
free live video broadcast the day the
book came out and if you go to energy
speaks book calm energy speaks book calm
you can get that video and she
interviewed me channeling disease for
about thirty minutes the second half of
the broadcast so that some just just
occurred to me that some people might
might enjoy watching that one-hour
interview and it's free energy speaks
book definitely well Lee I appreciate
this this interview man I really enjoyed
our conversation we have to do sometimes
two men thank you for coming on the
podcast and you have a great one
you too thanks so much I am my brother
god bless Lee Harris ladies and
gentlemen it's awesome that uh we share
a lot of the
similar audience right and it's I was
just reading in the chat and people who
listen to his work and what he brings to
the table and they also listen to what I
do so that's really cool when you got
some things in common the more
conversations you have with people the
more you find out that you have a lot
more in common you know I remember
people talking about like you know we're
like bye especially in the Bible Belt
people are biased and they are stuck in
their beliefs because they haven't never
talked to anybody with different belief
systems they've never even engaged
anyone so they don't know you know what
I'm saying but when you actually have
that conversation you find out may this
guy our experiences are very similar
like in those the terminology may be
different I don't think it matters we're
dealing with energy you know that and so
when I know we have the Christian
audience who would say you know you're
channeling disease you're channeling
spirit you and you they want to they
want to hear it put in a certain
specific way like you would want to
channel Jesus or want to channel the
Holy Spirit you know when it comes from
a biblical perspective like he never
that was in his name his name wasn't
Jesus like nobody I channeled Jesus he's
never heard that name so people are like
caught up on the names and stuff but it
it's it's the the experience and the
expression and the message what are they
saying
like what are the entities or the angels
what like what are they saying judge the
information judge the information the
Bible says that Jesus is the spirit of
prophecy and that prophecy and moving in
a prophetic is about edification
exhortation and love and building people
up so why do we have all of these people
out here who are using the name of God
or or using prophecy or whatever to tear
people down or to push their agenda
someone someone's missing the mark there
something's off so when it's about
moving in the spirit
it's about edification exhortation
building people up and people having a
rough time and it's so beautiful that
God the essence of the universe man is
not a respecter of persons
and that man us we judged by the outer
appearance but God judges according to
the heart so I'm telling you like you
begin to see that we're very much the
same the things that that separate us
and so if anything that this podcast has
done or is doing is just having that
conversation that many have refused to
have and then you find yourself in the
conversation and it's telling your story
and you can pick little pieces out I'm
telling you like he's talking about like
they're telling jokes and like telling
rhetorical questions and you ask them a
question and they answer with a question
and I'll tell you when I got born again
and I started communing with God right
and that's that's just my terminology
the angels the Holy Spirit one thing we
should have talked about I love to bring
this up is like what do they sound like
or they do they sound different does
each entity disease do they sound
different
can you tell or that the vibration is it
the information what about God Jesus the
Holy Spirit and Archangel Michael do
they sound different no it's the
impression it's the quickening is how
they communicate it's a still small
voice and you have to be able to
interpret the information that they give
and not going to tell you you know to do
something destructive to yourself or to
your family or to harm other people
you're not gonna that's you know that's
it couldn't be anything further from the
truth and so if you are channeling
entities or you're hearing voices that
are telling you to do destructive things
that's not good and you you there is
help for you you can quiet the voices
draw near to God quiet the voices ask to
hear the voice of God Jesus says my
sheep know my voice and a strangers
voice they will not follow don't follow
the strangers you know I get emails and
I have to talk about this because I get
these emails I get them you know and so
I'm responsible to talk about this stuff
and to put it out there they're not
gonna tell you to anything destructive
but to harm yourself or others okay
let's get that straight communing with
the divine you grow in it you know and
Kris garner at the beginning was like
okay what have you seen that proves this
and then first of all he said I don't
really care what proves it to anyone
else but I'll tell you what helped prove
it to me and these different experiences
that you've had to wear first of all you
gotta believe it like we want to believe
like hold on what am I going crazy and
my is God literally speaking to me is
the Holy Spirit or the angels or disease
speaking to me prove it how are you
doing it and then you start to have the
synchronicities or the information that
comes out you begin to test it and a big
it begins to become overwhelming for you
you'll find out really quick that uh you
know having a vision having a profound
experience and then you want to tell
somebody you want to run hey I seen this
God spoke to me this and they're like
okay really the Bible goes into a lot of
detail about throwing your pearls before
swine there's people who don't care
about it I got a friend of mine a close
friend
god bless him he keeps getting fired off
of jobs why he's going to jobs and he's
uh just randomly talking about exoteric
and aliens and all of this kind of stuff
that he's passionate about I get it I'm
passionate about that kind of stuff too
but you got to learn to not throw your
pearls before swine
people who don't care about that there's
people who don't care about that he's
going up to random people talking about
weird deep stuff in there they're
telling on them they're making fun of
him when he leaves the room he's having
a comfortable conversations with people
when he's paid to do a job and so he
keeps getting fired off like every job
because he keeps doing that and he can't
learn not to throw his pearls before
swine he says you don't want to conform
he's gonna be himself wherever he goes
well even Jesus told you not to throw
your pearls before swine don't give what
is sacred to the dogs man
that's for you you have these encounters
in these visions and these dreams and
it's prophetic and it means the world to
you it's beautiful and you run to
someone's head look I've seen this
they're gonna they might laugh at you
so to just know first of all I was
dealing with you to make sure that you
know to make sure that you believe this
is your relationship they don't they
don't know what goes on on the back end
people don't know the stuff you've been
through the things you've seen yeah we
talk about this stuff openly people
don't know like you should when I first
start talk about UFOs and all that stuff
he's like I was like I'm in a Bible Belt
like I'm saying of ridicule and the the
the the laughing and stuff but I mean it
was changed my life man to be go out
there and to go out there to under the
open sky and communicate with God and
ask to see the Angels traveling and you
died see balls of light angels going in
and in and out of stars and are they
aliens are they beings who live on
another planet hell I don't know I don't
you know what they look like
God tell you to do something in
self-defense what God tell you to do
something it's self-defense
yeah but I don't I don't think he's
gonna tell you to harm anybody man
outsmart your opponent you know and you
know I'm saying thank you for the
donation by the way I get crazy emails
and I'll just put this out there I'm not
gonna say any names I got a email from a
lady who was abused
by her husband and her husband's friend
date-raped drugged beat wanted to die
and she now suffers from severe PTSD and
she was wanting to know does thinking
that maybe God wants her to kill her
husband and the accomplice no he doesn't
want that well I'm helping someone I'm
gonna help I'm gonna I'm gonna alleviate
this man from the planet and I'm gonna
prevent him from messing with somebody
else no no I don't believe it
you're not gonna get a yes from me
you're not gonna hit me up with a
lawsuit and say I told you to do it hell
no don't do it you know people are this
stuff is important man and I just did
that video the other day about suicide
talking about that meme people need to
uh you got to balance the energies you
have to you can't just like believe
every voice that comes through beyond my
vision and on the YouTube chat says you
always got to cast down wicked
imaginations yeah you have to take the
Bible says take every thought captive
and hold them to the authority of
supremacy of Christ which is which is
everything that's good which is
everything that's beautiful I mean
that's how that's interpreted take every
thought and make it filter through that
it's just gonna is this gonna help me
this is gonna help humanity everyone
love your enemies pray for them who use
you despitefully use you so when you're
hearing voices man you have to you
really have to be able to walk in a
level of discernment so
but that song and dance with the divine
a song a dance with God and with angels
and with demons we're all doing it some
knowingly some unknowingly and I just I
love to hear the stories
could you just see yourself in it it's
it's inspiring and then I don't I talk
to so many people on here man and I feel
so different but after every
conversation like some people I don't
know some some people you have that
conversation with and you you just like
okay but you know other people you're
inspired by you know and I still wonder
you know in the back of my head I did
that little documentary I guess you can
call it a little teaching about the
persona like part of me feels like like
all of those feelings are already within
you and then you have to in order for
you to vocalize it or to embody it you
have to give it a name because it takes
the blame off of you whatever you say
and 100 percent people do that in in the
church I have friends who are street
preachers and they'll preach against
homosexuality on the streets
God hates homosexuals and Bible and they
just do it when the reality is that they
hate homosexuals and you found it you've
created a God in your own image that
believes how convenient that God hate
loves and hates the same things you hate
and God believes the same things that
you believe and you'll find out that
people use the Bible and they use all
types of holy books and and stuff to to
have to take the blame off of themselves
that they're not the scapegoat Jesus is
the scapegoat God is the scapegoat I
don't hate you God hates you
that's crazy it's a pleasure brother
love your channel I've had to protect
myself with force before but I was in
harm's way
I attract sociopaths for some reason no
I I hear you on that you definitely um
he definitely it's got to be practical
man we attract those people you have to
protect yourself like you have you're
being harmed yeah come on it should be
common sense with that but and thank you
for the donation um you know uh and I've
talked about this openly on here and
this person's even tried to jump in chat
and he's got all the other names who
watches this program and they create
other accounts and I have these these
women who claim that I am their a
husband from a past life and who claimed
that uh we're supposed to be together
that I am the the the reincarnation of
the God was his name Odin I might look
like him the beard and everything like I
might look like Odin but I'm not Odin
I'm not Odin and they think that they
were Odin's wife in another past life
and they're like it gets dangerous
like people look there's crazy people
out there and he was something I like as
you get a name for yourself doing
anything but especially dealing with the
spiritual community or the religious
community you're going to attract these
type of people it comes with the
territory I remember hearing you know in
churches years ago when I was like 18
going to church and here I used to hear
about pastors who would you know people
would watch this pastor on TV and see
them and they would get that voice and
they would fall in love with the God in
that person and and think that that was
their husband even though that person
was happily married got kids all the
time
but the person would look at them and
think that for some reason get it
enamored and think that that God told
them that that was their true husband
which is already married already in a
loving relationship and here you come
you know some of them you know some of
them become successful I guess with it
you know but uh so you got to protect
yourself so I went to we went to the law
you know I had it we had to go put out a
restraining order against this person
who was sending not only me but I
literally went through my friends list
and sent everybody messages telling them
that I was you know married to the wrong
person just craziness
schizophrenia hearing voices that are
not healthy it's not good even though
I'm telling this person they don't want
to listen so we had to go put out a
restraining order not from yet for me
but I'm saying for my wife too for her
peace of mind you know the saying
because we do live appearances I do
concerts god forbid this person show up
my wife is strapped you know hey we told
y'all listen keep this person away from
me man you know what I'm saying so
anyway you got a you know it is what it
is you know once you get a name for
yourself and notoriety you could be
doing anything man there's just weirdos
and stalkers out there you got to be
careful and be ready and they come from
you know they come in all shapes and
sizes drugs a lot of it comes from drug
use smoking crack and crystal meth 100%
have one guy I wrote a song he claimed
he wrote it he wanted and I want a
contest with this song I submitted it to
a contest and I won a thousand dollars
for this song that I wrote and it was a
blessing it was a god thing he claims he
wrote it messaged me wanting half of the
money
what like in his mind he wrote the song
he thought those lyrics up and I took
him from him somehow I don't know
he Dannette had an doesn't have a song
anywhere close to that anyway he was
convinced of it and went on this big
smear campaign that I stole the song and
just weird stuff man
but that person does heroin and smokes
crystal meth you know these these voices
come from a place you have to be able to
discern you read you reach levels man or
the people who are with you they can't
they can't go any further your own
friends will turn on you ask Jesus his
own friends like Judas Peter it comes
with the territory get ready think the
same people with you they begin they
begin to envy you they begin to feel
like
they you have a big thing and I'm you
people feel like they deserve it
like they deserve like they've worked
harder than you you know and that they
deserve your platform or they'll listen
to you and they don't like the things
you're saying whether it's a lot of this
is coming from the church realm but
Christians will listen and say oh man
these that's demonic that's false wants
you interviewing this guy this psychic
guy he's a Chandler why are you
interviewing so they'll have this
vendetta that they're supposed to like
you know I'm saying tell all of your
followers or the platform you or or
whatever they want to do it's just so
weird but your own friends even your own
friends I've had that happen a lot over
the years so beyond my vision says Envy
yep envy jealousy betrayal yep Chris
Gardner says is always in the hero's
journey you're 100% right the hero must
must go through it and you must stay the
course and you don't respond with evil
Jesus told you man he's an example don't
repay evil for evil but overcome evil
with good try that see what happens I
bet you overcome a lot quicker you
overcome a lot quicker respond with love
Thor says Derek I believe lower entities
are confusing these people and tricking
them into believing the delusion no
mindset that these lower entities put
them in yeah that definitely happens and
it happens in the spiritual community
but the terminology is different right
we go back to that the terminology okay
you're Odin
I'm Odin's wife I mean I get messages
saying that I'm some people think
they're angels people think that they're
my family members my mother reincarnated
who's here to protect me just you get a
lot of weird stuff and and I set up
spiritual circle a lot of delusional
people you're right
but I'm telling you this stuff is in the
church just as strong well yeah the Holy
Spirit told me this the hope when they
have that and infatuation with the
pastor and the Holy Spirit told him that
or God told them that you have all these
people in it
the names are a lot easier right because
it's the Holy Spirit God you know maybe
an angel Jesus told me you know and it's
in it in the guiding spoke a word to you
you just felt strongly about that for
some years and now you're ready to speak
on it and it gets crazy man Thor says
Derek brother I'm sorry that all that
happened to you you do not deserve none
of that was of that what's your music
and you aren't you helped me so much
people and you bring so much truth into
the vast sea yeah it just it just comes
with the territory man you gather you
got to just know that count the cost
count the cost they're everywhere it's
not just the spiritual community it's
very much in spirituality in religion
very much in there but there's crazy
people all over the earth you know so
balance the energies within yourself man
and so yeah anyway energy speaks man I
just put out a new music video - I leave
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band
Namah I'm a solo artist true seeker
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met you in a past life lol respect
awesome thank you for the support Vanna
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very busy been busy recently doing a lot
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you need that get at me
I don't really promote it a lot because
it was kind of like what he was talking
about some people they don't want to
like keep feel like they're always
asking for money or always selling like
I have my stuff to ask for money about
usually its patreon or whatever the case
is but I don't want to have all of these
offers I got patreon I got this I got
that I got this I got that and I do
websites and I do which I do but I don't
want to like just keep having offers or
whatever the case is you know I'm saying
but I will mention it from time to time
in a podcast or something or maybe
she'll post every now and then but um
yeah I've you know I've gotten worked
that way mentioned it in a podcast and
it's the truth right I'd be lying if I
said I didn't do it but that's what I do
so Thor again says brother Derek number
that remember that one thing you said
never go after a child of God my brother
you are a child of God and that fool
that came after you I know God is
punishing him yeah for sure for sure
100% it's sad like I don't want that to
happen I hope you would learn from your
mistakes and and not you know I'm saying
bring upon you understand that that
judgment upon yourself whether it's a
child of God or whether it's a child in
general you know it's definitely
happening man and I hate that I wish
everybody could prosper I wish everybody
could uh you know what I'm saying I
don't know you have to do the work man
none of this is given once you receive
it like once you build it you got to you
got to work to maintain it don't don't
the Bible says overcome evil with good
don't repay evil for evil and that's a
big thing because I wanted I wanted to
go in you know on many of these
occasions to really go in and and
overcome I wanted to repay evil for evil
there's a peace let it be said you know
I'm from the hood man like I wanted to
do it but you have to catch yourself and
don't don't self-sabotage take the high
road every single one of you you'll
destroy what you've been building you've
been working hard you let somebody on
the outside destroy what you've worked
your whole life to build you know don't
do that whatever you're building
whatever you're doing look at Roseanne
I'm telling you Roseanne did it with one
tweet Alex Jones like they're looking to
do it they're just seen you know they're
doing that to a lot of people but those
are examples those are extreme examples
but you know
triple-m says your platforms have
platforms look at you now hey man this
is what it's about community man growing
together I'm nobody special you know but
I am right we all can do it you can
achieve it if you believe you can
achieve so let me know if I want to make
myself available for questions too so
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but you don't have to know who's asking
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Thursday night school to the Mystics
working on a new album got a couple new
songs on patreon Thor I love you too
brother thank you guys for believing in
me thank you for fighting with me you
know it's not about mass or just about
community man and walking in love so hmm
so Jay wants to know us our Sid jewels
or ritual magic of the devil okay that's
a good question um it well it you know
it depends on it depends on your
intention what are you using sigils or
the ritual magic for if you're using
them for the devil then yeah they're for
the devil but if you're using them for
God well how do you use that for God go
to go to church go see what they do in
church they got all kind of symbols and
signs and signals and
things all over the place some are
biblical some aren't you know but those
are sigils those are symbols that remind
you invoke a thought when you look at
them ritualistically like you go through
rituals I mean look at the Catholic
Church for one I mean that is you know
I'm saying D Church so like look at that
and as far as rituals I mean there's
just tons of rituals so I just depends
on what you mean by that like that's it
so we talked we you know we're like a
ritualistic people we like we like
rituals as rituals to go in trance as
with rituals that we do to enter States
to worship God tune your instruments you
know I'm saying like it's all kind of
stuff but it's all about the intention I
believe it Ct Thursby wants to know will
you give me brother Wayne's digits
brother Wayne how you doing I'm telling
you man if I I need that mask is that
there's a it's too expensive though I
don't know if I want it though I can
want it right the girl can dream can't
she
there's a silicone mask that I would
love to be able to bring brother Wayne
to life with technology and videos it'd
be awesome and then so Jay says what
about to better your life or someone
else's life you're doing Magic Man
regardless like we're doing
I said I'm one of my lyrics I say
abracadabra words are alive we play with
magic you would word we're creating
we're dealing with magic were being
influenced by new Hollywood magicians
mages you know they say the the you know
the even the term Hollywood he says who
was that the ancient the druid priests
would make their magic wands out of
holly trees and it would do the spells
with holly trees or hollywood so you
know that's what Jordan Maxwell says
well yeah we're dealing with magic
whether you believe it or not white
black or gray if you want to know more
about it there's a great lecture by
Manley P hall called magic white black
and gray it's a really good lecture tell
you about magic it's so funny like my
Christian friends you know so I talked
about magic I talked about white magic
or whatever I'm mentioning in my music
yeah were we we're dealing with it and
some you know some of my friends or
whatever they they claimed that I've
created this using magic like I've made
pacts with demons and people think that
stuff people are crazy man I have
friends who think that I do that
there's no pacts with any demons
there's no pacts with any angels you
know no blood I don't know what people
think I do on the back end I'm doing
people are crazy man they just like you
it's the imagination man it'll run wild
on you you saw like coming up with
scenarios and stuff and telling people
and it's just insane this comes with the
territory again what's good Danny Thank
You Thor again triple I'm not gonna
repeat that
yeah that bi that that the magic is by
Manley P Hall white black and gray he's
also has a book about magic as well as a
short book but it's a good one hi guys
with that I'm gonna say peace of Shalom
I'm gonna go ahead and jump off here
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Shalom love you guys
we'll do it again very soon who we let
me to see who we got coming up thirsty
who we interviewing Thursday Thursday we
have Sheri Smith's she's and so I did
her her book cover so she's got a new
book coming out I did the artwork for
that made a friend and she's gonna be on
the podcast that's what we're gonna do
Thursday so with that I must at peace
and Shalom guys I love y'all
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