Paula Lenz | Driving Into Infinity: Living With My Brother's Spirit | TruthSeekah Podcast
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Paul oh just great thank you so much for
having me on your show oh thank you for
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for working with me and we're going
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so yes so I guess the best place to
start is at the beginning I'm familiar
with your story I've been doing some
research on you listening to some other
interviews and things like that been all
over your website but to those people
who have no idea who you are and what
you bring to the table just kind of go
ahead and set the framework for your
story in your book and it'll be awesome
well thank you so much
and I want to point out that this part
of my life was not revealed until I did
come out with my book in September of
2017 and the experiences and the story
of how this all began really started in
1982 it's been and my brother
transitioned and in 1983 so it's been 36
years since since that happened and I
just want to point out that I'm the
oldest child in the family my brother
was four years younger than me
and I do have a sister who's 10 years
younger my brother and I were very close
and as I said this part of my life
really was not revealed until recently
but I always had a couple of these
friends of mine that I had shared story
with and for all these years they
continued to tell me you know I really
need to write your story you need to
write a book and so when I retired from
the main business world suddenly I
decided it was it was time to do that so
I published my book when I had a
precognitive dream warning which I
didn't know at the time I had that dream
what it meant but it was it was a
recurring dream for a year and it was
always the same I was outside and these
expansive field and people were
gathering there and as time went on more
and more people got there until there
were these crowds and someone came up to
me and asked me
what's going on and I looked at them and
I said I'm not sure but I've heard that
it's the end of the world and when I
said that I just stood a moment there
and Jesus appeared in the sky and when
Jesus appeared in the sky I just doubled
over almost down to the ground and I was
experiencing the worst pain of my life
but this pain was not physical pain it
was the worst heartfelt suffering and
agony that I had ever known and as I was
doubled over I kept saying but it isn't
supposed to be this way I thought the
end of the world was supposed to be
joyous and then the dream would end and
each and every time I would be startled
awake and I just kept wondering myself
why am I having this dream what does it
mean so fast forward a year later to the
morning of October the 7th 1983 and I'm
that morning I'm driving my husband to a
meeting and dropping him off we're going
to be meeting later at the Greek
Festival down in Houston and as we're
driving along I'm getting ready to drop
him off this meeting I suddenly
developed this really strange terrible
pain over my heart area and I didn't
know what was happening but I was very
frightened by it
because I was wondering myself am I
having a heart attack - do I have a
blood clot you know I didn't know what
was going on but I do remember glancing
at the clock it said 9 o'clock in the
car just trying to be sure I got my
husband to his meeting on time and I
didn't say anything to my husband and as
we drove along after about 15 minutes
that that pain went away and I went on
to the Greek Festival join my friends
there
and and then later on that day my
husband came down to the festival in the
meantime my friends and I were in the
annex area at the Greek Orthodox Church
most of the festival's outside but you
get food on the inside there and there
were just huge crowds by that time and I
look out across the crowds my saw my
husband making his way to me and as he
got closer and I saw his face I knew
that something was terribly wrong I had
never seen him look that way before and
as he got close to me he put his hand on
both my arms and he looked me right in
the eye and he said Donny was killed in
an accident today and as I'm standing
there looking him in the eyes I had this
image of the earth in my mind and I
could see this earth just falling
falling falling and just crashing down
at my feet and with that I just doubled
over in pain
that I had had in the last year was
trying to show was trying I just
couldn't fathom how I was gonna make it
through the book I wrote every moment
was sheer agony during those days with
no words to adequately describe a broken
heart nothing made sense and everything
about life was dark I barely slept I
moved in the days I wanted to die every
day this terrible impenetrable wall now
separated me from ever having contact
with my beloved brother again how do you
process that fact and integrate it into
your life I could not and then at the
burial site I wondered how could I
possibly could live after this so I
stayed in my hometown the following week
to help my parents with some things and
three days after my brothers
all I decided to take some flowers to my
grandparents house and as it happened my
husband had left left me there my dad's
and the only access to a vehicle I had
was to my brother's personal truck
because my brother was killed in a
company truck so I took his truck and I
started driving to my grandparents house
which is about a 10 or 15 minute drive
away and as I'm driving along all of a
sudden I developed 360-degree vision I'm
driving I'm seeing everything around me
and I'm thinking to myself what is
happening to me
and before I could think too long about
that however I realized that my brother
was at my right shoulder as I'm driving
and he still looked like himself but he
was also like a pattern of light and he
began to speak telepathically to me
while I'm still driving and he told me
not to be sad that he was happy and most
of all he wanted me to know what life is
like for him now
he explained to me that he was on
another plane of being and that it had
simply been time for him to leave then
when he got through explaining that
suddenly I was no longer in my body I
was leaving my body with him and I exist
existed in this state of consciousness
with him
and at first I saw almost what looked
like a landscape that was similar to
like a negative of photograph but then
that kind of faded away and after that I
realized that I was out in the universe
with my brother and my
entire focus became one of experiencing
infinity and eternity
and throughout this entire experience
now my brother stayed with me but the
first thing that I experienced while I
was in this state of consciousness was a
wave of peace that came over me and I
was reminded of Bible verse the peace
that passeth understand and it just came
over me completely and the next wave
that I had come over me
was one of all knowledge I realized that
I knew everything that had ever taken
place in the universe everything about
the universe and that I just knew all
knowledge and then the third wave that
came over me was this all-encompassing
energy of pure love and this love was so
much more and so much deeper than
anything that we experience here on
earth as love it was it was huge and all
caring and yet I knew that this this
energy was alive and caring and that's
what I call spirit in my book and I
realized at this point in the experience
that all of these things that were
happening to me I was no longer
experiencing it as a sense of knowledge
of these things instead I actually
became one with all of that I realized
that there was absolutely no separation
of me from anything in the universe
and that everything and everyone that
exists anywhere is a part of this
oneness which is all oneness of this
energy of love or spirit and at that
point I began to realize that you know
what I am home this is where I want to
be I don't want to return to my body I
just don't care anything about that and
so I began thinking about the fact that
I knew there were there was another
level that I needed to go to or get to
so that I would go on and be in infinite
eternity for you know forever and don't
have to go back to my body but I started
feeling like at that point that I was
pushing away just pushing and going
really fast upward but as that began to
happen
my brother kind of exerted his energy on
me and he said to me no you can't go yet
it's not your time and at that point I
began very rapidly to return to my body
I could see myself coming back into my
body and I landed there it felt like
with the bed and the very first thought
I had it's wonderful experience was wow
I feel so constricted in this body I'm
just you know what happened to this
feeling of just being one with
everything it was kind of shocking to be
back in my body but I felt at peace oh
this I was very happy I realized at this
point I'd actually made a turn on to
another road that led directly to my
grandparents house and you know I was
probably out of my body for five minutes
and you know I don't know who was
driving the truck I certainly
was not cognizant of that and I got to
my grandparents house and it was kind of
interesting it was almost as though I
could see through my brother's eyes the
grief and the sadness how sad it seemed
you know that that we were so upset and
everything that's how I viewed my
grandparents now I didn't say anything
to my grandparents about this experience
I had and in fact I didn't tell anyone
about this for a very long time and even
when I did tell someone about this
experience I had it was only two maybe
two or three of my very closest friends
again a long time passed before that
happened and you know all I can say is
that after had this experience and came
back my consciousness was never the same
I could not view life and even things
like religion and all that I just
couldn't view at the same as I had
before it seemed you know I viewed it
from all the things that I'd been taught
and and it just seems so enclosed on
those verses this majorly expanded idea
that I had now of who we are and and how
most people don't realize who we are in
relation to spirit and and our
connection with the energy of love with
spirit so yeah I'm going to stop here to
a minute and just comment on something
because I've had a lot of people ask me
about the fact that other than
mentioning Jesus in my dream I don't
really talk about Jesus in book you know
I refer of course to spirit and
consciousness and that's one thing
and you know it's it's not that I don't
believe in Jesus and you know you just
mentioned in your promo there you were
talking about the the Christ
consciousness and certainly I'm I'm
there in terms of the Christ
consciousness and understanding what
Jesus brought to mankind but I don't go
into that of my book because I was
trying to share with people my story of
my sorrow and coming out of that how
that's been integrated into my life you
know my goal was not to write a book on
religion versus spirituality I do talk
about that
but I just kind of wanted to go ahead
and point that out because I think it's
an important point for people to
understand again I do talk about you
know how my views changed about being in
the idea of dogma of religion and the
rules and regulations that seem to come
out of that versus the idea that we're
all on a spiritual path and you know
there's just a broader all-encompassing
way that I feel about you know all
people versus oh my religions right
versus yours oh yeah I'm sure you
understand that idea yeah that's one of
the first things to kind of go out the
door or at least get a new framework
when it comes to you know the old-time
religion and what it means for us for us
now what we've been told and it's not to
throw everything away but it's just like
you know get a new framework for it you
know exactly that's exactly right stated
so at this juncture after staying in
Bryan for a while I did return to my
life in Houston and so I began to have a
lot of after-effects from this being in
the state of consciousness that you know
impacted me personally but the other
thing that began happened was you know
not only did my brother reach out to me
during this time after his funeral
but once I got home I began to notice
things there and eventually after you
know yes this was my brother continuing
to reach out to me one of the first
things that started happening was his
best friend and had taken a photograph
he of he and Donnie just a week before
Donnie's accident and he gave to the
whole family copies of that picture
because it was the last photograph ever
taken of my brother so I had that
picture in this little frame and every
day I don't know how long when I would
come home from work that picture would
be turned down because it was a stand up
and I just couldn't understand what was
happening with this photograph and I
noticed these other weird things
happening in our house for example I
noticed that there was a chair in our
dining room the dining room table that
at least two or three times a week I
would come home and this one particular
chair would be pulled out and then you
know I would put it back under the table
and I thought this is strange
and I asked my husband you know have you
been coming in your dingus No you know
hardly ever go in there I told it was
happening and until we sold that house
which was about six years later that
continued to happen every every week
another time my husband and I were in
our TV room there watching TV and there
were some bookcases in there and all of
a sudden out of the top shelf this video
comes flying out not not just you know
being at the edge of the shelf and
falling down straight to the floor this
came flying out and landed that at our
feet and we both looked at each other in
shock like how did this just happen
again you know not not really realizing
this is probably my brother we were just
like kind of dumbfounded for all these
things that happened another time when I
came home from work I was getting ready
to walk into our master bedroom and I
just stopped dead in my tracks because
there was a chair that was put right in
the doorway of going into the master
bedroom
now this chair was supposed to be under
a desk in that bedroom and I was I just
couldn't understand what was this chair
doing there in fact I actually thought
someone was in the house or something
and ran out the front door and waited
out there for a while nothing happened I
went I went back in and sometimes when I
would lie down to take a nap on the
weekends I would close my eyes and as
soon as I close my eyes I would feel
someone sitting down on the bed and my
eyes were just fly open and of course
you know no one was there all of these
things you know there were there were
many other things that happen I begged
my dad and his wife talked about how at
night they could hear the microwave
buttons being pushed you know make it a
little sound and they were sure that it
was my brother Donnie because he used to
come over there you know it helped
himself to food you know that kind of
thing and they said you know that would
happen all the time and my mom she
actually had a dream about my brother
not long after his passing and in this
dream that my brother came to her in the
form of a young deer she told me she
said as soon as she saw this theater she
knew that it was Donnie and he came up
to her and she said to him son you need
to come back
to me right now I need you here and he
looked at her and he said mama I can't
come back I'm happy now and she said son
I need I need you to come back right now
and he said I can't and he turned and
walked away out of dream but she said
that what happened that was when he
walked away he took out of her heart the
deepest worst of her sorrow in her and
she knew the next day that that had
happened because she said if that hadn't
happened if he hadn't taken this
terrible sorrow with me I just don't
know if I could have lived so you know
it wasn't just me he originally reached
out I think he was just wanting to let
us know hey I'm still here I'm alive I'm
just you know on the other side and but
I've continued for the rest of my life
to have outreach by him some of that
involved turning down photos oh just one
time there was some of these signs that
he gave me were trying to warn me when I
was going to have problems coming up
with my life one of those that that
happened was well I had these little I
have I don't have these little brass
Siamese cats if he had given me for
Christmas one year and sometimes those
cats would be turned in opposite
directions and if he had moved around
these Siamese cats then I I was on the
lookout perhaps some issues coming into
my life and there were other things that
he moved around that were out of the
norm and again it was kind of like he
was trying to give me a heads up
perhaps some issues coming up in my life
but maybe you know the most astonishing
thing I had happened was just a couple
of months after my brother passed we
were we've gone back to Christmastime to
my dad's house wife had become sick and
then my dad began to get sick and so we
thought well we'll just continue to stay
here because we were there for a couple
of days for Christmas and then that
night my husband and I began getting
sick and it was it was it was unlike
anything I had ever experienced before
my husband tried to get out of bed and
he fell on the floor he could barely get
back into bed and I was experiencing
like my heart was pounding so hard it
was I just thought it was gonna come out
of my chest anyway long story short on
that I ended up opening crawling on the
floor and opening the front door and I
had called my sister to come over and
when she got there I told her and I was
kind of half out of my mind when I was
telling for this I said there's
something wrong in this house there's
just something wrong in this house I
don't know what it is but there's
something wrong in this house and I made
her open the kitchen window so that all
night I mean I stayed by the open front
door all night on the carpet she did
stay on the couch and stay with me but I
can't I made her keep the door open in
the window the next morning when my dad
finally got up I was still in there and
the first thing I said here was daddy
there's something wrong with this house
or something wrong in this house and
that's all I could tell him I I just
continued to get this message and at
that point he finally decided to check
out the furnace for the house and sure
enough the door to on the front of the
furnace and this other carry had fallen
off and so we were all experiencing
carbon monoxide poisoning
well and had of course my dad fixed
fixed that but had I not had this
message come through me now I didn't
know anything about carbon dioxide
poisoning there's not anything I paid
attention to I was only 30 at the time
you know that kind of stuff was like
well whatever it always happens to
somebody else and and I had absolutely
no idea but that was a message that came
through very strongly and I credit that
to my brother that he knew that
something was wrong there so you know
I've had a lot of varying experiences
like this through throughout the rest of
my life and you know I'm 66 now so this
has been going on for a long time but I
did mention too that I had other kinds
of After Effects for example in the
beginning when people would walk into
the room I could hear what they were
thinking now that eventually went away
sometimes I even now though I still know
what people are thinking or what they're
getting that the as I drove past lights
on the freeway they would go out or if I
were walking on a street in the evening
you know I'd come to a street lamp and
it would go out and then when I would go
past it it would come back on and that
still happens even now and that is a
that's an impact that people have had
near-death experiences have have had and
as years went on to I developed greater
intuition just like I had it was almost
intuition or something telling me about
the carbon monoxide poisoning that's how
other messages began to come through to
me about varying things whether it had
to do with things at work or even
changing careers and
then I also learned to read auras
and I have one one story about that
which is probably the most phenomenal
story I have in relation to seeing
people's auras and that was kind of one
of the jobs I worked dad I was had two
people who work for me and one day I
told him I said well I can read I can't
read your auras are you interested in
really oh wow yeah let's tell me what is
my art look like Justin saw it they told
him that the guy who worked for me that
his horror looked really great it was
bright yellow bright bright yellow color
and I said you know that means
everything's really great you're doing
well and then the woman who worked for
me when I looked at her ara I couldn't
believe it because I've never seen
anybody like that it was it was really
muddy it was kind of a muddy
almost kind of a greenish yellow or
something and it just it wasn't clear
and I just looked at her and she's like
well what's the matter and I said well I
just never seen it like this but to
myself I was thinking well this can't be
good because it's just so murky and and
not clear I just I told her that and I
just said well maybe it's just an
interview I'm sure well 10 days
after that she into that being in
intensive care
for ten days and eventually of course
she came back to work she got over that
but she decided to do something about
having her energy cleared and true she
came back to work that day from having
gone to this practitioner she said well
tell me how that meant come in my office
sit down so she did well soon she said
you know to this day this is the most
phenomenal thing I'm actually seen and
that is that this huge completely
non-transparent most of our senior
this was a non-transparent hora and it
was purple and it was at least you know
like two feet encompassing her all
around this Purple Heart and she's
sitting there and pom said this has
happened and she starts talking to me
and I'm sitting there dumbfounded what
seeing this because it just I wasn't
even trying to see her it just just
appeared all of a sudden and when she
began speaking to me my eyes began to
uncontrollably water just like I was
weeping just uncontrolled and she's
sitting there looking at me and I'm like
I don't know what's happening so but I
have to tell you what I'm seeing not
only when you're speaking am i reacting
this way but you've got this champion
anyway she couldn't continue talking to
me because I was just weeping I'm so I
said look why don't you go to your
office call me from there finish telling
me what's camp so she did she went to
her office she called me as soon as she
walks away you know all this I weeping
stops but as soon as she calls me and I
pick up the phone and she starts talking
it starts happening all over again and
what happened was I didn't know this on
that day but this woman became a very
gifted healer and this day after she had
these blockage of energy blockage is
cleared somehow this is when she was
coming into these god-given helpers I
mean the spiritual energy that was
flowing into and after that she became a
Reiki Master practitioner and she still
does that today she's very gifted but
that was that was one of the more
singular events that I've had happen
never seen anything like that again
Wow that's awesome that's beautiful man
I've got so many questions for you and
you've got more stories right here yeah
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so the encountering Jesus the hem of His
garment meditation man if you guys are
familiar with the story in the Bible
with the woman with the issue of blood
you're pretty much coming at it from her
perspective so you translate it back to
ancient Jerusalem 2,000 years ago and
you're walking through the streets
now there's ambience we have voice
actors and all of these things that
you're encountering people walking
through the streets and as you're moving
through the crowded streets there's
things on the left and on the right
they're trying to get your attention
there's vendors trying to sell you
things there's groups of ladies that you
meet who are trying to pull you off the
road they're trying to gossip about you
you see all of this stuff going on but
you see Jesus straight ahead and you're
just trying to focus on Jesus with all
of these different distractions that are
coming and the different distractions
that I put in there was something that
God translated to me that people were
dealing with and some of it was stuff
that I have conquered in my own life
that I was able to just to kind of start
rolling with it when the Lord told me to
go there but it's dealing with gossip
it's dealing with slander backbiting
inconsistency and getting pulled off the
path so as you're going through the
meditation you're being ministered to
for some of these areas in your life
that we've all struggled with so again
you're pushing further you see Jesus
ahead of you and you just know that all
you got to do is get close to him
everybody's fighting for his attention
and you just know you just got to get
close enough just to say hello
just closed enough if he can see me I've
just got to touch him and so you go in
and I don't want to give it away but you
go in and you encounter the love of
Christ you encounter Jesus he ministers
to you and it's just this beautiful
encounter that you have and it's about
16 minutes but as you have this
encounter I've also created these
meditations so that you can just kind of
keep going as you go in you're already
deep into the trance state you can kind
of keep going with the encounter so the
music continues to go for an hour
so this testimonies about people who are
going in and they're encountering Jesus
they're encountering God they're
encountering angels and really just
getting downloads from the father's
heart for their self so I urge you to
check it out the encountering Jesus the
hem of His garment meditation and I
guarantee that you'll be blessed from
checking it out
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all right we're back man I'm excited
about that conference coming up it's
gonna be good and also concerning the
meditations I just put out a new one
last night just did the Heavenly Father
Mother Earth's guided meditation and the
meditations that I do it a little bit
different because I higher voice actors
to play parts and roles of different
characters in there and then there's
sound effects and you go to heaven you
meet father God gives you a hug embraces
you and gives you a word and then you go
back to your body and you go down to the
earth deep into the depths of the
bedrock of the earth and you hear the
sound effects of dirt rumbling and
boulders moving as you're going through
and you encounter the mother so make
sure y'all check that stuff out I put a
lot of work into that so just the
meditations and the Christ consciousness
conference truce to get calm make sure
y'all check it out I've got too many
questions I'll let you share I'll let
you share too much without asking
questions and now I'm overwhelmed with
questions okay here we go first question
let's just start here so talking about
being able to hear your brother speak
telepathically
does he still speak to you
telepathically or is it by these other
means that you've been talking about or
do you hear that that voice in your
inner ear of this still small voice
speaking to you or or even showing up to
you in the dream state and things like
that still how does that how has that
evolved you know for the most part I've
always relied on these the things that
he moves around or does but had to tell
you that really in the recent recently I
have actually been able to hear him and
connect with him in a way where you know
he just speaks to me and he'll say
something but that being said he he's
still around and
sometimes I don't know this last time
this last event I had I think he was
just trying to play a trick on me
normally when all these these photos
that I've talked about that have been
moved around and so forth you know he I
was in my office and just very quiet so
whenever these photos have been moved
I've not been around to see that happen
but I was sitting quietly my computer
and all of a sudden in a bookcase where
I keep a lot of these photos summer
frames summer got this one framed photo
came fell down the back part of the
bookcase and hit another one at the
front and it flew out and I jumped about
a foot out of my seat
I got up and I went over there and I
said to the bookcase Donnie I know
you're here and it just kind of scared
but I do I do here yeah now unlike I
have in years past so that's kind of a
new development I think I just took more
time to focus on that aspect instead of
being so focused on oh what's he doing
now you know yeah so as far as hearing
his voice and interacting with him in
different areas moving things and trying
to warn you give you permissions and
even stepping in and out of the dream
state and stuff like that are you guys
encountering any other entities any
other departed spirits or angels or
anything like that like your ear
sharpening up and having those
encounters as well or is it this kind of
song and dance with your brother and
that's going on you know I I am very
aware of my guides and angels and I do
get intuitions and premonitions and
sometimes actually I get visions
potentially things that are coming up
but that does not come from my brother
that that comes I'm sure from spirit or
or my angels
guides that are around me either to warn
me although most of that is not morning
it's well I guess some of it could be
considered that just trying to let me
know hey you need to be aware of this I
need to be prepared for this but have
not encountered any other spirits or
entities like my brother mm-hmm it's not
like I feel like I'm surrounded by
ghosts I was gonna I was gonna ask you I
mean just you know early on what you're
talking about you know getting that that
sense of fear coming upon you and having
this urgency and then you know you had
the sign that the carbon monoxide was
coming through so I was like hold on I
would I don't know if there's like the
strong sense of fear because a lot of
times spirits bring upon an essence with
them and whether it is a spirit of fear
or peace or whatever the case is when
that person is around it's like you're
talking about the auric field it's their
vibration and that color resonates that
what type of things they're they're
doing in life or in the afterlife people
have them spirits have them you can feel
it you get used to it and you get
trained so I didn't know if they liked
their spirits that come and you just
automatically get scared you get
paranoid and it's nothing you've done
it's just what's kind of going on in the
ethers and stuff so I didn't know if you
were feeling some of that as well or
anything so well I have to say I'm you
know I do try to put I ask for the light
of protection around me I do have to be
cognizant of that when I'm you know I
had a conference or around a lot of
people it's just a good thing to do
every day
just because I can be sensitive to other
energies around but I've never really
felt like again that I've had a lot of
run-ins with a lot of experience yeah
the ones I'm familiar with my guides
might eat
spirit you know Christ yeah I think it's
a valid question cuz like I feel like a
lot of times once any other spirit knows
that you're open to communication
they're like hey we got some things we
want to show you too whether it's
somebody else's brother or sibling who
passed or whatever the cases they got
okay she can hear us see you know and
let us she's looking so you got to be
careful you know so it's good I didn't
know you know that could be very
overwhelming when you have those
awakenings and honestly it leads to a
lot of schizophrenia you know with
people who were in the spiritual
community and they're just out there
just an open vessel for any type of
entity that wants to come through and
they're just kind of playing with them
so definitely something to to talk about
there's a question here in go ahead if
you have something for that well I was
just gonna say that you know my friend
that I talked about you know once she
became a Reiki healer you know she's
just a very high level person in terms
of the sensitivity here yet and so from
the beginning she has really taught me
about that and made sure that I'm aware
you know that I need to protect myself a
lot of the you know additional outside
energy so I'm totally on board with what
you're saying yeah that's good these
definitely have to do the the spiritual
offense and defense as well you have to
kind of defend yourself and be aware of
who you are right and not get lost in
the midst of all of this kind of
communication and chaos and things like
that out there in the ether so one of
the questions we have here is from a
Rabb and he wants me to ask you if you
scents colors I don't know what this
means but colors from behind buildings
and places I don't know if that's like
concerning the the auras or but says
from behind buildings and places I'm not
sure
I've not sensed colors but there are
times when I walk into certain kinds of
facilities and I do be all the energy
here's a very good example of that there
is there's place up here in Colorado the
Shambhala to fall a mountain retreat
area and they have there a stupa which I
didn't even know what a stupa was till I
went to this place and it's a temple
that you walk into and food it's got the
biggest statue of Buddha I've ever seen
in my life
it's from clearly floor-to-ceiling and
so I had gone there you know check it
out the place there is absolutely
gorgeous mountains and when I walked
inside there you know I was taking work
around there were a few other people in
there and people do come in there to
pray sit on cushions pray or meditate
but when I walked in there and I had
been there just about 30 seconds
I just felt from the poor rising upward
I felt this immense powerful energy just
rising floor all the way to the ceiling
I don't went wow this is a very powerful
place that was probably the the most
outstanding example of something related
to a building that I've ever felt well
okay yeah it was it was just so I am
able to sense energies like that that
one by far was the most memorable one
that I had but colors and things
I can't have really seen any colors okay
well I guess one of the things I'm
really interested in is the fact that
well with this kind of preface it a
little bit like this the spiritual
awakening you had it it feels like a
near-death experience
but you didn't there was nothing that
like there's no near-death about it
right you were maybe just translated or
transported into another realm we I've
talked to people on here who talked
about having like a spontaneous
Kundalini awakening like out of the blue
just have the spiritual awakening a lot
of people go through a lot of trauma do
you think that something you know may
have triggered it like you said just
riding in in your brother's vehicle were
there a lot of emotions there were you
you know thinking about him as you were
you know driving in the truck or
whatever the case is well actually in
driving the truck that day it was one of
the few moments while I was in my
hometown and being there where my mind
was almost like in neutral you know I
got in the truck I was driving and I was
just kind of in the moment you know I
wasn't really going over everything I
wasn't thinking about a lot of stuff I I
probably was at a point almost where I
had been full of so much emotion and
everything that this these moments in
the truck and going to my grandparents
and thinking about that you know I just
was more in a neutral state of mind and
I actually think that enabled me to
actually have this experience because
when you're so covered up with grief or
whatever is going on in your mind it's
almost like blocking it but in that
instance I think it was simply because I
was a little more neutral I wasn't in
the midst of crying that day
I cried it felt like continuously for
about four days straight so yeah I think
it was it was a was an easy opening
perhaps my brother to come through now
let me let me comment on your near-death
experience information in my book very
last chapter there's an aster word
chapter and it's written by dr. Janice
old and she is a fairly renowned
near-death experience researcher and I
had talked to her I was actually trying
to get in touch with dr. Kenneth rain
because I've read his book in 1985
called heading toward Omega and it
actually had included one experience in
there that was somewhat similar to mine
not exactly the same but anyway she and
I got to talking
in fact I called her out of the blue
professor and you know you can't in my
mind it's like well you can't ever
really reach professors first off but
she actually answered the phone and she
and I ended up talking for an hour and a
half when I told she asked me why I was
trying to get in touch with dr. Reagan
and she told me she said your experience
is so much more like the near-death
experience and yet you were not near
dead and she said she offered on the
spot
to write this class chapter because she
said I can provide research and tests
that have been done that will actually
rate where you are on the in de scale
and so she did she wrote the last
chapter to talk all about the research
and pointed out how all these things
that I had was so much more like a
near-death experience and yet I had just
this out-of-body experience a but so
yeah it's a very unusual experience in
that regard because I came back with so
many
after-effects even though I don't feel
like I of course got to the next level
of you know where you're closer to death
even you know at death's door I don't
think I don't feel like I was that deep
into it because I wanted to go on to the
next step where I would be at that when
I was out of body but the research on
that is pretty interesting so it's
interesting that you bring that up
because yeah a lot of us things are very
similar yeah
yes very interesting but it's it's about
the fruit that is produced from right
you become spiritually aware you reach a
heightened state of consciousness that
you really can't go back to living the
same way that you were like you said you
looked at religion different you looked
at people different money like
everything is different now
you know eternity death all of that
stuff and you have to kind of get that
framework down again okay and kind of
almost you don't say re-evaluate
everything in your life that you
believed and it's hard because there's
all kind of new stuff you like who are
you gonna talk to about you know you
said you was at a in a state where you
knew everything like all at once you
were just one with everything you're
okay with everything and and and that
experience and then that that bliss that
comes with that and then going to this
place to where you feel universal love
and acceptance not for one group of
people or not just for Christians but
for everyone like this love that's
communicated with you that hey my child
everything's okay and you're right where
you're supposed to be he's where he's
supposed to be and all of the stuff in
you is just sitting in that oneness of
just perfect love like you said perfect
peace and my question for you is since
you've been there you now you know how
to get back there is that something that
is there an inward knowing that's part
of it too like once you walk at a higher
state of consciousness you know about
that love you carry it with you
everywhere you go everything that you do
it's embedded in what you're doing but
is that like a spiritual practice
through prayer and meditation or
listening to music is there a place that
you go to to kind of channel in that
love and feel it again because I mean
even
knowing it consciously that you're loved
and you're one with all things and all
sentient beings and we are one it's
there's a difference to feeling it so
you were you ate you able to feel it
right when you were in that state
there's a difference of knowing you love
it and actually feeling it not
emotionally but even tangibly feeling
love Universal love all over your body
down to your core cleansing you out
that's an awakening that's being born
again like they have so many names for
that is that something that you revisit
often or you do just kind of live in
that state well you've made so many good
points about exactly the way it is when
all this happens and you know I in my
book I talk about at the end how many
times what I like to do is like to go
out I like to be outside a lot in nature
bike riding hiking you know it's a lot
of things like that and for me when I'm
outside I've kind of developed this
technique which I talk about in the book
it's called meld and two-spirit
technique I call it mist and well I like
that you made that up
perhaps I received that but I determined
that what I was doing was you know being
away from people and having some time to
be out in nature or whatever that I
could revisit that feeling of how it was
to not be confined by a body and to
actually being one with everything so
what I do in this technique is meld into
spirit technique is to imagine and feel
as though my body and
you know that the that the body itself
that but I'm just the edges of Who I am
are just kind of blurring and becoming
particle-like and and then I imagine
everything around me becoming like
particles of light and then the whole
earth becoming particles of light and
then the universe and when you can see
and imagine and then feel that you know
this body that you're seeing now has
actually become this particle these
particles of light that are all part of
everything that you're imagining and try
to feel that and the first the first
hint that you have that you're getting
it is because my heart chakra when I
start into this becomes very big and
warm and that's when I know I'm
connected with the love of spirit and
that enables me to continue this process
of melding into that love and that sense
of spirit and trying to get a different
vision in my mind of who I am in
relation to the universe and that's why
I go with these particles of light and
everything becoming that because then
it's all the same and we're all part of
that same fabric and that works for me
of course I do sit and sometimes just
close my eyes and just connect with
spirit again it's always from the heart
because that's that heart center area
the chakra area that's where it all
starts and so of course I do that from
time to time but it's not like it's not
like I live in that framework all the
time because of course I'm here in body
and you know doing things and but I do
try to be a lot more cognizant of when I
look at people and others and places of
thinking of them like you know we're all
one in spite of what everybody thinks
you know we're at the
basic core of who we are we're all and
and I think about that consciously
sometimes but you know it's it's not so
much about thinking about it as it is
bringing forth the love from the heart
and and just kind of letting go of a lot
of that thinking all the time about
everything yeah so that's what I do
and actually I'm right now I'm making
quite a few notes in relation to meld at
the spirit technique because recent
especially recently the last month month
and a half I've had a lot of people who
have mentioned to me how they absolutely
love this technique is melded the spirit
technique and after the book first came
out no one ever mentioned it to me and I
thought well maybe people don't like
that idea
but now I'm sudden it's like I'm getting
affirmation these people are all
starting to talk about it to me
and so I'm developing ideas to further
be able to help people get that and I'm
hoping to do you know a workshop to some
degree on that to help I don't know
educate but to help help people get into
that sense Oh know how they can get to
them yes yeah we always talk about how
you know these encounters you know
there's like a lot of times we see them
as just one-time events and we have a
bunch like the more you're conscious and
you're engaging those type of realms and
you're open to bigger possibilities it
becomes like an everyday thing where you
having these type of encounters whether
it's angels or fairies or whatever the
case is just open up to it but once
you've been there
you know how to get back there right and
you can take people with you to have
similar encounters to feel that love
that's okay guys let's trust me this is
what we're gonna do this encounter that
I so you have to go there consciously
but remember what it felt like being
that moment it's okay this is how you do
it and bring them back there with you so
they can have that same encounter and
just changes people's lives and so to
really kind of pay it forward that
spiritual awakening that you had for
those people who are looking for it okay
this is what I did and if you want to we
can facilitate it and in spirit just
meets people where they are right and in
their walk but if the person is open to
it and they're ready I mean they'll have
a life-changing encounter just like you
did being able to take them back there
to that place one thing I want to ask
you and I'm gonna use the terminology
from a friend of mine who's in chat here
Kris garner loves the this term but if
you go into this place of all-knowing
and you just know everything you can
you're one with everything he calls it a
lot of people call it but he always
brings up the the Akashic records right
you've accessed the Akashic records of
almost like the spiritual Library of
Alexandria or of time and space that is
just records everything have you have
you done any studying on that does that
sound familiar there's something you
that you may have accessed in those
realms
you know the idea about that I think is
is a is a good basis perhaps what I did
access there but to answer your question
you know I've never really read much of
anything about the Akashic records
perhaps it's time for me to get a book
or to talk that and delve into that not
that I haven't read some things here and
there I have but I don't know perhaps
you know perhaps that was what I was
accessing you have to understand too
after I had this experience in 1983 I
absolutely was compelled to read books
everything I could get my hands on about
spirituality and or religion or you know
all things related to consciousness and
so forth and so through the years I've
read just hundreds hundred
literally and so of course I've come
across information on that as well but
it is something you know have an
interest and again as I said perhaps I
should get that yeah me neither
just know enough to get myself in
trouble and ask the questions not
probably me too you know and the other
comment I have about that in terms of
reading being compelled to read on
spirituality you have to understand I I
was an English major in college that's
what I got my degree in so all through
my life I was very interested in reading
and books and you know all this sort of
thing and so as an English major I read
and studied a lot of fictional work you
know of course there were some
nonfiction but it seems to me I recall
you know the thing most of it was
focused on fiction once I had this
experience and you know I had this
compulsion to read books which I still
read like that but I could never read
fiction again and here's the other weird
thing I was talking to this other
interviewer Lisa and she had had an
experience and she wished when I told
her about that she was amazed because
she never heard anybody else poison and
she said she had that exact so we were
both amazed at that I think I'm with you
too man
they were you say that but I'll say this
though I was gonna say I can read
fiction that's allegorical right about a
telling you deeper meanings and stuff
but maybe all of its you know in a sense
allegorical when you read it because
when you're reading it once you're
awakened and you're at
different level of consciousness you
look at things differently even the
material you're reading the movies
you're watching on TV like you're seeing
hidden meanings and signs and symbols
like you've been to this place where all
creation comes out of and what we're
going back to so everything's different
you know so whether you're reading a
book and I could throw out some of this
the spiritual stuff would be like you
know the alchemist or whatever that's a
beautiful book about you know your life
and fulfilling your dreams purpose and
your destiny and recapturing it but it's
told in as the story of it you're
following a young man on on his journey
following his dream but the book really
is about you recapturing your dream so
many other books you look at our movies
and we talk about star wars and the
matrix and we had these deeper meanings
but just everything's different so for
me I don't have the need to like because
it takes a long time for me to read a
book anyway so just to grab a book
that's not going to be slam pack with
just spirituality in it but anything
that I watch I have a look at my third
eyes open as I'm reading or watching you
know and I understand that you know
sometimes especially if I'm seeing on TV
or something an especially violent kind
of show you know I just look at that and
I just look at things from a different
perspective
it's like just like even in my my book I
talked about how you know even looking
at things like the religious wars that
were held throughout these century us
you know and I tonight I said you know
how many wars have been conducted in the
name of God it's like really yeah and
you know it's so I look at some of these
things that are so violent and I just I
look at it from the perspective of why
why does mankind do this to each other
you know
so yeah
few points on some of these things ports
go oh well whatever yeah but I look at
it differently from a different
perspective
yeah that's interesting you say that
because like some of the more like
spiritual Muslims who practice Islam
they would see like spiritual wars and
the whole term of jihad
you know this war it's not the war
against the world but it's the war
against the world within it's a
spiritual battle within and conquering
your own demons and declaring war over
the holy land which is your body which
all the holy books say that you know so
even on their aspect there's like a
spiritual way of what this text is
really talking about and for me when
when I would go back and read the Old
Testament and read the scriptures it's
straight allegory about overcoming these
other nations and when you look up what
those nations mean like they're the
Hebraic words or whatever the terms and
it usually has something to do with the
psyche and dealing with your own
spiritual journey once you're
illuminated like you're on this path
it's not about reading about this man
who lived 6,000 years ago however long
named King David and he's fighting a
giant no it's about you and today
fighting your giants and your idols that
present themselves to you and stuff like
that so you're able to see the deeper
meaning in the allegory that the regular
you know lay people they can't even
understand that they're trying to find
King David's slingshot where he killed
Goliath or they're trying to find the
life's armor and and that proves that
these stories existed or whatever the
cases were like once you have that
spiritual and you can really understand
I think Jesus was telling people like
this is why I'm speaking in parables
it's not for everyone to understand but
for you it is given to understand the
mysteries of the kingdom and I really do
believe in an encounter and and
first-hand experience and it sounds like
what you've experienced and you've been
to the other side you've been to where
we go when we pass
right and it changes everything it's
hard to articulate that and bring it
back into focus but speaking about you
know the violence and stuff like that
and the imagery and stuff I want to ask
you about your dream as well because you
were having this reoccurring dream about
the end of the world right so I come out
of Christian realm as well and you have
so many people having dreams about the
end of the world and they're writing
books on it and they've been given dates
and times and those dates and times come
and nothing happens and their God is
speaking to them about the destruction
of the world and and we used to see so
much stuff like this but I once heard
David Wilcock share he said when you're
having these dreams about the end of the
world and these apocalyptic messages
it's not the end of the world it's the
end of your world or the world as you
know it it's the end of your own world
coming to an end or having a drastic
change you kind of would you say that
would be with the case with your
revelation that you were having this
repetitive dream absolutely I love the
way you capture all these ideas you know
so succinctly and and you're right on
what you're saying and yeah the end of
the world of course in the dream of
course Jesus appeared and so it appeared
to be related to you know my religious
training or whatever but of course in
the end as you say it was the end of the
world for me and my family and our way
of being completely you know and it was
completely shattered it was over we
could never have again the the kind of
family you know interaction that we had
had before I mean that was completely oh
and for me I guess having had the kind
of experience that I had
with my brother you know that was even a
greater understanding of how much my
world was empty you know that I could
never look at life or how we live or
anything the same there were just so
many things my psyche and consciousness
that were totally changed completely I
just couldn't go back and so there were
many aspects that came into play with
that end of the world as I said my
family you know I talked about in my
book how you know my brother was the
center of our family even though he was
I was the oldest he was four years
younger as I said but he was so funny
and he was really smart he was a great
guy he had a lot of friends you know he
helped out people
he was just an all-around great guy and
so our family dynamics always around him
because he would start being funny and
imitating people and doing all these
things and we would be laughing and I
mean even when I was in my 20s and
that's where he married my brother now
get on the floor and we'd start
wrestling around like we didn't we were
kids just because we thought it was
funny
I mean we did then we started yelling
for daddy daddy did not make you stop
and you know just kind of reverting back
but it was all huge fun in love and then
when he left that never happened again I
mean the Sparkletts in all that was gone
and so yeah on many levels it was the
end of the world me and my family and
you know elsewhere yeah how long would
you have in that dream before it
happened like how it was just like since
you was a child or how many years no I
had that dream it started in the fall
they here before so I had it for a year
but I didn't mention here that my sister
two years before my brother's death
she had a dream which actually showed
her how she found out about his death
that day now she was afraid that she had
that dream humbly two or three months
before he was graduating from A&M and
she was afraid he was going to have some
kind of accident
before he graduated from college there
and but she never told anybody about it
and when nothing happened well she just
kind of blew it off I thought oh well it
was just a dream but in the end two
years later I mean the way she dreamed
it and she even heard on the phone in
her dream Oh didn't you hear your
brother got killed today I mean that's
how my sister found out it wasn't any of
our family members
anything and and so that's that little
dream came true and you know I think to
myself sometimes I feel like we had
these dreams I don't know if it's spirit
leads us to have those dreams or in some
ways I believe that person's soul knows
that this is coming and perhaps people
who you love around you and they're used
to your energy that there becomes
something that you start giving off
about you know death coming up or
something and that that somehow gets
translated to people around you and I
believe that's in my viewpoint I think
that's my people they're sensitive
already to this person's energy and I
think it's coming through their energy
what's coming up for them and then you
are picking up at yeah and so I think
that's you know what happened yeah and
even your own too right when you have
any dreams about yourself yeah I mean
the dream stay just in and of itself is
just man just to try to understand that
like part of me is like that's the real
life like that's reality you know
and the awakened status is something
different like go ahead if people really
understood that they pay a lot more
attention to their dreams because I can
tell you that many times when I look at
dreams that I had and I think about
particular elements that are in those
dreams and what those may be trying to
tell me about many times those turn out
to be dreams that are telling me what's
coming up yeah but I think lots of
people can do that I just think they are
being right in the scriptures like
that's like the number one way that God
would speak to people was in their
dreams because like we've kind of got
good at running from the voice of
spirits speaking to us during the day
doing our own thing getting a fat
infatuated with the things of the world
or whatever the case is but we all have
to put our heads on our pillow at night
no matter what we're doing it so that's
the place so that you run from me
throughout the day but I got you now I
got some things I want to show you you
have nightmares and night terrors and
things that you've done that you've been
trying to suppress during the day but
when you close your eyes you just keep
going back there so a lot of the things
for me in my dreams like now that I'm
conscious of it I pay attention to it
like crazy you know and and I'm and I
know I can tell the seasons and things
that I'm in or things conflict that I
need to deal with you know in my life
for people that I need to forgive or
need to get out of my life or maybe a
direction that I'm headed that's
probably not gonna end well I need to
nip it in the bud you know all of these
different through signs and symbols you
know in your dreams and stuff like that
like I said for you was Jesus showing up
obviously for the Muslim it wouldn't
have been Jesus it would have been
Mohammad or the Buddhists would have had
a different sign assemblé we had a dream
specialist on here when one day Lainey
dolphin she was amazing and it's like
different things for different people
because there's different things that
you're scared of right so for for spirit
or your mind or whatever
it is that communicates fear to you you
might not be scared of spiders right so
you may be scared of because of trauma
falling off your bike a lot maybe you
fall off fell off your bike and it's
something that brings back painful
fearful memories so for you you may have
this reoccurring dream of that what
while somebody else that's a dream
dreaming about spiders and all these
other things but all still getting the
same message across right the same idea
that you need to be prepared and be
don't be afraid of the spiders or
falling off the bike or whatever just
allowing you to conquer your own
obstacles in life right right and for
sure I've had many dreams that do for
tell me what's coming up next through
different symbols different images yeah
and I barely a depth that for the most
part interpreting those things and
understanding okay well this is what's
coming up you know may not know the
specifics but it does give me a sense of
you know what what's happening what's
going to be happening and so that's you
know that's happened for many years long
time but people do need to be attuned to
their dreams they don't know again I
don't think they get that you know this
can't be telling you about what's coming
yeah yeah Paul I got two more questions
for you I want to explore really quick
and I'll let you go I've really enjoyed
our talk but um I want to ask you about
why did you write the book like what
what changed in your life like the
seasons that like why was it okay to go
ahead and write this stuff to get it out
was there something that changed was
there and in your life that was going on
that you felt like I need to go ahead
and get this out after all these years
well number one I retired and I had a
very full career my whole life
for the 40 years and so I was I was
really busy and engaged and loved what I
was doing and but you know of course I
always had this other side to my life
going on which you know other than one
or two people who from the beginning you
know I talked about no one ever knew
this other side of my life in terms of
all these things with my brother and
everything and I guess part of that was
I I didn't want people to think I was
crazy or in the beginning that I was you
know just depressed and imagining these
things or whatever and so I just kept to
myself this other side of my life all
these things going on you know with my
brother and my knowing about a lot of
things you know visions and so forth and
intuitive guidance that I was receiving
but when I retired and and it wasn't
even that I thought at the time I
retired that I would write a book about
this but it's one of those things that
after dream three or four months of
being retired I suddenly started getting
the message you know this guidance
suddenly was like you know what I need
to write this book I need to write it
and I knew that it was time for me to
share my story you know so it was one of
those intuitive messages and I just it
was and it started writing and go it's
doing great right and really wanted to
you
share my story to help people because
everyday people lose loved ones suddenly
and tragically and I know what they go
through and what they have and I just
felt like you know what I need to share
my story because I can help people and
my world now is and of course I've
always been very extroverted I've been a
speaker at conferences and things you
know all these things affiliated with
business but now I take those skills
then and I share and to help about their
grief and and lay out all of these
things I've experienced and you know
what of all the people that I've I think
that I have reached out to account I
think I helped myself the most because
for the first time in my life since all
this started I am able to own this other
side of my life I've never talked about
and integrate that into who I here to
the world to all the business people who
know me and and guess what I am an
authentic person now because I don't
have to hide that part of me you know I
wrote the book when it came out I was
like you know what just let the chips
fall where they may
whatever people think or say or do it
doesn't matter to me because this is
what I need and for me it's all about
sharing and helping that's really for me
now what it's all about
and and speaking and and just I run into
people all the time that I'll feel kind
of
to him and I'll tell them out of the
blue about what happened to me in my
story that I have and this one man for
example owned a ski shop here I
mentioned him about that and he just
looked at me like I'd hit him or
something and he said I can't believe
you have walked into my shop he said I
just lost my daughter a year ago she was
22 years old and children two cars and
he just got tears in his eyes and here I
was sharing you know I feel drawn to
someone more compelled to say something
again for me that's just what it's all
about
and now I have time to focus on that you
know splitting my time but it it's been
profoundly rewarding and has greatly
expanded my whole realm I was a speaker
last year for the International
Association for near-death studies
conference with dr. Holden he wrote
afterwards and that was just huge for me
and actually the first year I've been
here well my book was just getting me
mad and I went to a conference
atmosphere Colorado and that was the
first time I'd ever gone to a conference
where people had badges on that said
experience and they provided a special
room that was called the experiencers
lounge people could go in there between
you know breaks sessions and they get
sitting here and they could share with
each other their experiences I feel
absolutely giddy that day because I had
never been in a situation where I could
share with it was a pace that's awesome
I look forward to those days where we
could share openly in person this is why
we got to do it on the internet there's
a lot of people listening right now and
people have a lot of things in common
and just just for people knowing that
they're not alone you know and that they
can talk about this stuff I mean that's
kind of one of the things that people
deal with it's like I'm the only one
that feels this way I'm the only one
that's ever seen this or whatever the
case is and and you got to start talking
about it because you feel like there's
no one you can talk to and then you get
depressed and all of that kind of stuff
so again like you're saying like of all
of the work that you're doing you're the
one who's benefiting from it the most
because you're essentially you can
identify a need you see a need and you
feel it so like the you know the you
that you were when you were going
through that stuff now you're the person
speaking to other people going through
similar situations when someone has the
you know the loss of a loved one look
let me show up and let you know what
what's gonna happen and that it's okay
why because I needed someone to do it
for me right we have these spiritual
awakenings or whatever it is these
traumatic experiences and we need
someone to talk to so the spiritual
community and like you know empath some
healers that's what they're motivated by
you know they need it they wanna be the
person that they need it when they were
younger so many times I'll just get this
fire within me and I just start speaking
to my younger self listening because I
know he's out there you know and so many
different faces and people in situations
but I'll just start talking to that
person like man if I was there listening
to me you know be the you that you need
it when you were younger so I commend
you on your work let people know where
they can go to check out your book so if
people want to check and check it out
you've got a bunch of blogs and other
interviews and all that kind of stuff on
your website but what's the best place
to check out your work well mostly my
book is not in bookstores although it is
at the unity headquarters bookstore but
you can get
my book from Amazon about Barnes and
Noble and Balboa press which is a
division of Hay House get it online and
it is in hardback paperback and ebook so
it's available in all three formats and
I do have a website and you can you know
click there that's my tab there and the
blog I've got ready some of my
interviews posted they're not all of
them I need to do an update the the
website is a little bit of a strange
address dot wix.com /all appearance but
maybe you can put on your your site yeah
we'll put a link to that and you
definitely gotta let us know whenever
you get the mists of material ready to
so yes that'd be awesome
a teaching or whatever whatever you have
set up a webinar I'd love to participate
in that sounds awesome
great yes well again I've just started
with notes and here's a wild thing about
that though a friend of mine texted me
from Houston and she said I just had a
dream last night and it was your voice
it was like godlike and it came through
and it said you are going to be teaching
and instructing people again it was your
voice and she said I'm calling to tell
you just look like man that is wild so I
think that is a definite sign I need to
get this done and get into that you know
helping people in that regard
thank you well I really enjoyed our
conversation and we have to do it again
my friend thank you so much
yes great thank you really great
all right Paula thank you we'll talk to
you soon all right makes paulo lins
everyone enjoyed the discussion a bunch
of good pointers there man you started
seeing like I'm read
ah here Chris garner says the more these
stories that we get out the more we chip
away the fear of the unseen and the
taboos yeah it's easy to fall into
having it all figured out it's easy to
fall into shying away but again I have
to look at even what I do with this
podcast it's like never have said it a
million times everybody has a piece of
the puzzle you know you take your piece
bring it to the table
we'll put it down and see if it makes a
picture and I really do believe that
everyone has something that they can
offer right everyone's got something
something you can take away from that
story at least so many good Jim's so
much beautiful stuff and it's
interesting to which you mentioned you
know feeling that pain in her heart she
says she felt like she was having a
heart attack I know that sounds familiar
to a lot of you guys who are familiar
with my story and maybe even your own or
being able to feel spirit of heaviness
and burdens on people and things like
that I remember again I've shared the
story so many times but driving to an
event that we were doing some years ago
and on the way there I started having
heart chest pains I was man I was a
young man at the time I was probably 26
maybe 27 something like that and I'm
having these crazy chest pains I feel
like I'm having a heart attack and I'm
praying against it I'm rebuking the
devil and all this stuff and it's just
this heaviness and it's scary you know
and I start praying and I asked the
father like what is it and he let me
know that where I was going to I was
gonna be ministering to the
brokenhearted so to get ready so to
begin to pray and intercede for those
people and sure enough there was a lot
of teenage girls who had been through
traumatic experiences and heartbreaking
things like that that we ended up
ministering to that night so it was a
way for me to feel the infirmities of
the people to begin to intercede for
them and know how to minister and that's
happened so many times with our physical
healings and
different heavy missus we've been
talking about of different spirits that
come into the room you just feel it man
you like it
you walk into a room and you're
instantly depressed I was joyous across
the threshold I'm depressed what is it
again we always thought rebuking the
devil devil I bind you in Jesus name you
know whatever the case is but it's it's
a spirit a spirit of heaviness unclean
spirit whatever it may be but just
paying attention to your body because
you're fearfully and wonderfully made
and we can pick up on those things we
can sense those spirits that are around
us and so if you don't man it'll drive
you mad you got to figure it out what it
is and you got to learn to respond
accordingly I wanted to play this a
friend of mine sent me this recording
yesterday and many of you know that I
had a freedom joy on the podcast about
two weeks ago really good interview if
you haven't heard it make sure that you
go check out that interview we did
together but we spoke about the power of
music sound supernatural experiences and
encounters we also talked about gloss
alia or speaking in tongues and in the
practice thereof and I'll talk about how
I use it and how I'm still exploring the
depths of it and there's levels to it
and there's different voices and
different tones that come through when
you're speaking in tongues well she sent
me a recording of a recording of her
singing in tongues and I want to play
that for you guys and I just bless out
with it because I thought it was really
good so I'm gonna play this recording
really quick just a little bit of it for
you guys to check out
I'm golden wow that's beautiful
I told her look put you some soft synth
behind it you've got a healing CD is be
awesome
I'll buy it it's a beautiful that's
awesome she does that I know what's your
name um Jenny from Christ alignment
those gay they go to a lot of the
spiritual and new-age festivals like the
really big ones and they get on stage
with meditation music playing and they
just start singing in tongues and doing
harmony just speaking in tongues in
their heavenly language prophesying and
releasing things in the spirit as
they're doing that so shout out to
freedom joy for sending me that me and I
remember the first time I heard someone
speak it I was pranked
not praying not speaking but singing in
tongues years ago when I got born again
man it had to be 1998 at a church
meeting I think I remember we was at a
concert somewhere in Florida and we got
into some prayer after the concert
two beautiful nights two beautiful
things about that night I remember 1998
was the fact that at first it was the
first time to someone prophesied over me
there was some random guy I didn't know
him at him if he was a pastor or
whatever at that church but uh he asked
if he can pray for me and he prayed for
me and he it was the first time he said
something about my father and how Jesus
wanted to be a father to me and how you
know I grew up without a dad and God's
wanting to restore the years that were
stolen and four of God being a father
and Jesus being that fatherly figure and
I just broke and felt man deliverance
man as he just proclaimed that gave me a
hug and I just felt deliverance man it
was so beautiful and it blew my mind
because when we got in the car we had a
good drive home I was telling the guy in
the backseat I was like man that guy's a
prophet that guy's a prophet and uh in
the other guys they know it's not a
prophet he just prophesied over you we
all can prophesy I'll say now I mean
that guy he was right on he read my mail
you know and that's what that's what was
so so beautiful about it and then also
then it was the same night the first
time I heard a guy during prayer singing
in tongues as well which was really
interesting but um man good stuff I
really enjoyed this this interview
blessed to be able to continue to do
this thank you God for holding the
internet together even though the
screens all froze up some weird stuff
going on anyway we're still going it's
good stuff thank you guys for all the
support like on every level you know
I've been going through some weird times
dealing with this this Internet man and
it's pretty discouraging I've had to
cancel several interviews man and so
it's very discouraging actually but um
you roll with the punches you got to
make things happen this is what we do
again man make sure y'all check out the
new guided meditation that I just
released the father God Heavenly Father
Mother Earth interactive guided
meditation you'll love it you'll love it
it'll help you it'll bless you do it the
ground it really it helps you ground
spiritually but I think if you had your
feet on the ground when you were doing
it if you are outside and literally like
just dug your feet in the dirt would be
amazing I need to do it I'm gonna go
listen to my own guided meditation I
mean that's how I test them out I record
it I get to download and then I record
it and and then I have to edit it and
then I have to listen to it to say okay
is this immersive is this pulling me in
and I know what to expect because I
wrote it so it's got to have a little
bit more element element of surprise for
the people who don't know what's coming
or what the sounds are coming - sound
effects and man I put a lot into it so
if it can pull me in I'm okay it's good
send it off let's go that's how I do the
music you know when I do my music I
listen to it if I'm happy with it I find
pleased let's go and then it just goes
out and does what it's supposed to do it
blesses people it creates it helps
people to create encounter the power of
the mind the power of creative thought
and and that's what all my stuff is
about y'all already know that ain't
nothing new so yeah check that out all
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love y'all peace and Shalom we'll do it
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