Conscious Encounters With Christ | Facilitating Experiences | Martin Smith / Flying Penguins

Conscious Encounters With Christ | Facilitating Experiences | Martin Smith / Flying Penguins
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yo what's up guys I hope you enjoyed
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that my audios not as good but Martin's
audio is great so I hope you guys can
sit through this because if you do
there's some really good gems in it so I
really enjoyed this discussion so yeah
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today my guest is Martin Smith from the
flying penguins podcast radio show
whatever you want to call it we're gonna
explore that a little bit more Martin
welcome to the podcast bro how are you
thanks man I'm doing well Derek a fellow
next stager that's right what we've been
doing we've deemed ourselves the next
ages not the new agers
not the old Agers ex pager so I was
really interesting to explore those
concepts with with you and Gil and
Berlin
Karen Michael Vassar I'm all of our fam
there who's part of that so man I guess
for people who don't know who you are
man let's just kind of give a groundwork
for what you're doing what you bring to
the table sure sure so yeah I guess you
know for me kind of a quick story I've
been I've been a believer my whole life
from five years old and you know kind of
grew up in the church did the normal
Church thing and I you know I never
really had one of those fall away
stories come back necessarily but you
know lots of good friends that have but
for me I always I started encountering
through dreams and things when I was
probably 10 years old and so you know I
would have dreams about spiritual
warfare had had a dream
repeating dream that was just like the
matrix actually when I was when I was
roughly 10 and Matt I always loved that
dream because it was just a spiritual
warfare dream as a ten-year-old and and
like I said my church didn't didn't
teach on spiritual warfare nothing and
then you know kinda as I got a little
older into my teens I started reading
into the world a little bit more and and
started to understand my authority in
Christ and now I I'm call that more of
my identity in Christ but I thought I
was pretty pretty tough in the spirit
and so I decided I was gonna you know
till the till the enemy what I thought
of him and pretty much just mock ting so
that was you know about the third night
of doing that
and I guess in the midst of that I was
also reading Frank Petty's books I don't
know if you've ever read any his stuff
but I know it's haven't read any but
yeah yeah I mean for me it was dude that
was like exactly what I saw because I
had CD Angel see the demons and all
those things and so reading those and
and had about the third night of just
tell him saying pretty much hey you suck
he can't touch me you know all that good
stuff I had this dream and in the dream
I was in in this church and actually in
my home church and it was I was
listening to an occult seminar you know
and sometimes churches and you know in
the eighties or so would do seminars on
the occult 80s and Harry Potter yeah all
that good stuff and so in the in the
dream I'm sitting kind towards the back
and this dude gets up and he's like
alright I'm gonna introduce you to one
of the biggest demons and witchcraft in
this dream and all of a sudden like
everything goes into slow motion I'm
like looking around behind me because I
see that I hear this sounds like a jet
engine it's so loud and it's this roar
and I look back and this is a massive
massive Church and this thing is like
stretched out with its arms way way out
and you know I'm like on Scooby Doo you
know the the ghost that would come that
are shrouded and they've got the ripped
kind of cloak that's exactly what this
thing looked like man but it goes huh
like a phantom yeah like a like a
phantom and it was it was probably 40
feet wide I mean it was just massive and
so it scares me so bad in the dream that
I wake up except the problem was you
know I was on my on my bed on my back
and I was pinned down because this thing
was still coming over in the natural now
it crossed from my dream into the
natural and it was pushing me so far
into the mattress that I could like see
the indentions that I was maybe six
inches into the mattress and I was
absolutely terrified I couldn't move I
couldn't speak and finally in my mind I
was able to start saying you know in the
name of Jesus I cast you out I command
you to leave and I finally was a
able to speak after a couple of times of
that and the moment I say I was like
bang man this thing was gone
and yeah I didn't sleep the rest of that
night really but you know the Lord
taught me a very valuable lesson I felt
like number one just how powerful the
enemy is compared to my own flesh and
then number two just how much more
powerful he was that may I was like God
just calling on just the name of Christ
just could bang that that much power was
just instantly vaporized and man it just
it caused me to just wonder man it's
like how much more does just Christ
himself actually have if his name just
carries that man so it was it just for
me it just created just this on this
wonder you know as a teenager and and I
and I heard the Lord speak to me all the
time but you know I didn't I didn't run
in those circles and so it was very
isolating you know as a younger person
because you can't you know you can't
really talk to people about that they
think you're nuts you know you just
super spiritual yeah yeah overactive
imagination and all this kind of stuff I
was definitely very similar to that and
coming in they had this crazy out there
testimony and all we wanted to do is
worship the Lord and get in the presence
and talk about demons and you know but
we facilitated awakening man we
facilitated revival because it was
contagious right oh yeah didn't you talk
about even though there's opposition all
you you guys don't need to do that how
about just go see the movie how about
take the used to go see a movie like no
we want to take the news and pray and
yeah in the spirit and let them
encounter Christ and just take them to
go see a movie and we're like all this
opposition but we we we seen a lot of
breakthrough and revival when when we
would make sure that we would push
through like persecution yeah
gives away for the presence you know and
and whenever you whenever there is
opposition when you do when you go
against the grain and you just speak
your truth and and and seek the Lord you
start seeing things happen it's never
gonna be like the easy
right whoo anything worth doing is worth
fate facing opposition to to get the
message out or move on what you really
believe you know yeah absolutely man
absolutely yeah I've feel like I've the
last two years for me it's been that
opposition just sure I've never really
had to be quite honest I feel like you
know most of my life I've kind of been
protected from a lot of that I think and
you know I just kind of did my thing and
and always always was encountering
always if I've been pushing the envelope
really and as I've grown more and more
it's like man we get further into it but
yeah the last couple of years have been
it's been with me the whole time so none
of this is new it may be deeper and
different and now I'm talking about
different stuff so like it's it's
definitely different now but man cuz
you're consistent you know and you
you're not just a kid with an overactive
imagination like there's something to it
like I want to ask you about that like
that stuff doesn't happen for a reason
obviously the Lord had stuff he wanted
to show you whether it was how real the
spirit world is or teach you prayer and
intercession like you know those those
spirits in in your dreams and open your
the eyes and ears of your understanding
and show you things in the night that
we're not privy to during the day or in
our waking state when we get into what
we call the trance state or the dream
state we're able to interact with these
entities and actually see them and stuff
like that so God opens our ears and and
tells us things in the middle of the
night so actually into intercession or
maybe try to pray for this area we need
to break these strongholds over this
area did any of that ever happened oh
yeah oh yeah I mean it was you know
especially once we got into college so
you know high school college for me you
know I'd go into the occult stores and
witchcraft stores because I thought it
was fun you know I was I was that nutty
guy and man I remember you'd walk in I
wouldn't even say anything and they'd
it's like we'd lock eyes and it's like I
knew who that they were they knew who I
was and they'd follow me around the
store and you know and I and I just you
know I was I was
invincible you know teenager and all
that so I just run run right in there
it's so funny Duke is like if you got
the Christians like most of what they
won't even go in like right cursed I'm
not going in I'm not gonna look at the
building and you're like going straight
in there yeah so and I guess it you know
I got into into college and I met some
guys that had some similar experiences
that I did and one of them was a South
African missionaries kid so he saw all
kinds of stuff and then you know the
other one was just a good buddy that was
from a small town in Oklahoma so I I
grew up in Oklahoma City went to the
University of Oklahoma and you know we
were in a fraternity house believe it or
not as believers didn't drink you know
but we were we were the crazy ones in
the fraternity house and our fraternity
brothers that would they wouldn't go
with us we'd go out on an adventure you
know spiritual adventures on the
weekends and they wouldn't go with us
drunk because the ones that did it
scared him so bad and what they
experienced they didn't they didn't want
any part of it you know so it was it was
funny man we lived in we lived all in
the midst of it in the fraternity house
and and had a blast I mean it was it was
so much fun but you know everybody knew
that we were believers and they kind of
knew sort of what we did but you know we
were always just the crazy ones I think
you know in college we'd oh we you know
we had some pretty interesting things
happening with you know we'd get you
know have stuff on our lawn that you
know somebody tried to sacrifice
whatever and all kinds of different
things and and you know we'd go after it
and kind of pay attention to it and I
guess my mindset at that point was man
I'm I'm a warrior you know and I'm gonna
just crush everything and and I think
it's interesting hell for me my view has
changed even though the last couple of
years with some of that I think kind of
something interesting just a note is
that you know we got to our senior year
in college and you know we played in a
band and kind of actually a funny story
is we we used to co-lead worship for one
of the Bible studies with Mercy Me
before they were anything and saw the
movie yeah yeah that was that was they
you know they didn't they didn't ask me
for a cameo unfortunately but but our
our drummer in our bands our band was
called Washington's field and and our
drummer was was this guy named Robbie
Shafer and we you know got to know the
MercyMe guys code leading this Bible
study and just they're just solid solid
guys man I just I can't say enough about
him and then our senior year we just
said hey you know we several of us were
wanting to get married and and go on to
grad school and so we broke the band up
and Robbie ended up you know six months
or so later jumping on with Mercy Me and
so he's there he's been the drummer
you know since they've really hit it big
so it's it's fun I chuck with him every
now and then but you know we're not like
tight but they're yeah it's solid guys
but the interesting thing is man it was
we literally went I mean we were having
encounters stuff happening every day we
had a kind of a house church with
students of about 50 students that were
coming weekly and then literally
overnight for all of us everything
stopped like all the the gifts all the
encounters just like it's gone and no
one could figure it out you know of
course we went through the repentance
and the you know I must have sinned I
must have screwed something up and just
you know searching our hearts and all
that stuff and and there was nothing man
and it kind of allowed it I mean we all
kind of scattered to be quite honest and
I had about 10 years I would say where
it was dry as a desert man it was where
before it all no no I mean well I would
say after you know I got married and you
know so life was changing in different
things and and my wife's awesome I mean
she's she's spirit filled woman and and
really really cool but it was it was
interesting man it was like suddenly
nothing was there
and I discovered that you know doesn't
take that much faith to be quite honest
when you're seeing signs and wonders and
and everything happening and my faith
was really tested when I wasn't seeing
that stuff and you know what over the
years what the Lord was showing me was
it's like hey I need your roots to grow
deeper to support a bigger plume you
know on on and if you think of a tree
you know is the tree of life and things
but so for me it was really digging
deeper into that you know I've always
been have always been an end times guy
as well and so I've always studied in
times and probably towards the end of
that 10-year period I got on this chat
board within time stuff and you know I
and I'd always had dreams since I was 10
years old of in times like literally
when I was 10 I thought I was maybe one
of the the two witnesses you know me and
yeah a billion other people that have
hey I just watched
I just watched uh well we finished Waco
yesterday oh and you know he was big on
the seven seals and yeah we are the last
Church and yeah and so yeah I mean I was
you know all in that and and and so I
met this in this chatroom I met this
dude that was extremely prophetic and he
was different than anybody I've ever
really met and you know he and I started
having correspondence and you know he
kept basically he was alluding to that
he was the end-times prophet Elijah and
but he'd never come right out and say it
and on the message board everybody's
like you know it's so close slice is
probably alive and so we can pray for
Elijah you know I look back over like oh
no dude hey I'm with you bro we did all
that to for don't worry so I ended up
you know I interestingly enough so as
were you know he and I are just
corresponding and I'm starting to have
things come back now
you know as far as the supernatural and
those things and so there was one
morning I just felt like dude I needed
to really pray for this guy I mean like
he was burdened on my heart and so I'm
on my face praying like I normally would
do it at that point in time and as I'm
praying it I feel like literally like my
spirit starts to slide out like I'm
facedown all my knees and it's like it
almost starts to ooze out of my my whole
body and and I pull it back in I'm kind
of freaked out because I didn't I didn't
know what it was I didn't know what was
really happening nothing like that had
ever happened and so I was like okay
that was kind of weird night and got
back on my face and I'm praying again
all sudden it starts to slide out again
that's the only way I can really
describe it and so I'm like alright I'm
gonna push into this and see where it
goes cuz that's what I like to do you
know and so I let it go and I went I
went like completely out straight
through the floor and into this space
that I had never been in and you know in
the x-men movies when they're operating
cerebro
and you know he's got that when he's
looking through cerebro professor axe
and you know you see the illuminated
bodies like almost in that fog eek and a
space that's where I was I was like kind
of floating kind of swimming a little
bit in this space and I could see all
these people that were lit up like their
veins with light and so I kind of you
know navigated through this space and I
ended up finding this guy in that in
that space and he's praying on the
ground and and I'm seeing these demons
just come in and they're just hammering
I mean he's just getting attacked and so
I just kind of flew over there and stood
over him and put up just like a shield
and just to protect him and so I I
prayed over him like that and then kind
of felt like things were done and and
then I came back I guess into my body
you know and I now realize I now know
what that is you know kind of
out-of-body or or even some may say kind
of
you know astral or you know traveling in
the spirit I didn't know what it was at
the time and so the next day I was like
alright if I could do that for this guy
I want to go do that for my family and
so the next day I did it purposefully
and went and found my wife and my two
kids at the time and you know did the
same thing prayed over him and when I
came back in it was interesting I I just
was unsure about it you know so I didn't
do it again and about two days later I
ended up talking to this guy this
prophetic guy and he was telling me
about how he had just gotten a massive
attack two days earlier and how all of a
sudden it had just broken like it just
left him and as he and I discussed we
coordinated our times because he was in
a different time zone and it was the
exact time I was in that in that in the
spirit praying for him and that was just
that was amazing but interestingly
enough man what happened was he ended up
asking me
he kept asking me to pray that God would
reveal who the in times prophet Elijah
was and so I'm at work and so I'm a a
business consultant for oil and gas and
that's that's what I do full-time this
is this is what I love to do here and my
ration but you know one pays the bills
the other the other doesn't yeah and so
anyway so he's this dude shoots me an
email and I need to for me to ask God to
reveal who the intense prophet Elijah
was and it's like as a kind of a PS at
the bottom of his email and and I'm
sitting at work in cubicle Ville you
know and and I'm like alright I'll do
that and so I I just said God would you
show me who the in times prophet Elijah
is and I kid you not man it was like a
lightning bolt strikes the room it's
like bang and I mean it flashes and all
of a sudden maybe five six feet out in
front of me like in the in the middle of
the and just the room in the space
this portal starts to open up and it's
like burning from the inside and it's
just opening like this and it gets about
this big and it's like I can start to
almost see through it and it's the
description in Revelation 4 of the
throne room of God you know with the
lightning and all that and I can I can
hear like the angels worship and I mean
I'm I'm just I'm blown away and it's one
it at the time it was the most powerful
vision especially open vision like that
I'd ever had and it gets you know maybe
three feet wide I'm thinking dude I'm
crawling in that sucker I mean I'm I'm
just about to see if I can crawl into it
and it slams shut and I hear this voice
says this dude and I'm not in her name
in his name but I said this dude is the
end times prophet Elijah and then it's
gone I'm looking around the room
thinking yep did anybody else just see
what happened here and and I'm even yeah
my coworker cut came by me and my face
must have been white or something
because he said do you okay am i I don't
know so I ended up emailing this dude
and kind of and I asked him and he said
yep that's who I am
and mom my aw crap now what I did you
know and so we went we went probably
four or five man maybe maybe three
months after that and so was now all
kind of planning and you know how do you
how do we do all this and I kept asking
him and I'm like all right dude if
you're really the guy lets show me some
stuff man I mean it's like this dude can
do some amazing things and I said no no
it's not time it's not time my ministry
hadn't started yet and so kind of a long
story short with this he he kept
alluding to you know the you know what
was the craft in Ezekiel and what did
Izzie kill really see and all this stuff
and and in the end you know I started
having some red flags but it's like but
I kept hanging on to this vision because
it was powerful and I even my pastor at
the time I even you know sought counsel
from him and he's like and I
he said we'll walk through this together
he said but I don't know what to tell
you
said nothing at the time was like
completely unbiblical you know we could
back a lot of it up and things but in
the end you know what I kind of
uncovered was it you know he believed
that Jesus was an extraterrestrial you
know and was was waiting out on a ship
you know in the atmosphere and just
waiting kind of it was more of a more of
an ET kind of a deal not you know holy
sovereign God not Jesus as as I know
Amos as God and Lord and Savior so you
know once I started seeing that and then
you know I ended up having a kind of an
argument with him on a on a Skype call
and I think I think you and I talked
about it but yeah and basically I was
confronting him on on some things and I
he got so angry just screams and in the
in the screen and and at the time you
know and I was this I was a tough
warrior guy and it startled my spirit
man I mean like when he did that he got
up in in the in the camera and it
started my spirit and I'd never had that
happen before and and I you know I'd do
all kinds of stuff and dude I like took
a setback and as soon as he did it it
was like he knew he messed up but he's
like he went blank for like 20 seconds
and just stared off into space and like
kind of comes to and and he's back and
I'm like dude I think we're done but
what was crazy there was a couple of
other people in this little small group
and when I announced to the group said
guys I'm out if you want to know why you
can call me directly and in a couple of
days and they were all over the world
and two of them were saying yeah
actually he's been doing this to us and
had really almost enslaved them and was
able to kind of train really translocate
and show up in their bedrooms and I may
just litter scaring the hell out of them
and they they felt like Manny this is
the man of gods so I kind of you know
how all that that junk works
once I said guys I'm out this dude is
powered by a big old massive demon and
is not who he says he is then they kind
of confessed him what was happening to
them and and they were able to get out
but half a more there were two
individuals that stayed in and just kind
of ignored all all of the stuff because
they wanted it so bad to be true and I
and I did as well to be quite honest and
so man that after that experience that
just it jacked me up because mm-hmm I I
always thought I had good discernment
especially in the spirit and my man I
was totally deceived in this space and
so I literally shut everything down I'm
like all right I'm gonna spend about a
year I'm not even gonna pray I'm
shutting closing all spirit
communication lines off and I'm just
gonna read I'm gonna read the whole
Bible again and reset you know and so
that's that's what I did actually and it
was interesting because he they tried to
contact me one or two times I just said
nope I'm done and then we moved to to
Houston kind of during that time and and
I had gotten into some some counseling
with with a guy that actually did you
know SRA work and it was we had a guy
living with us that was a you know
showing some signs of some pretty nasty
stuff and I ended up talking with this
dude and he said yeah I just I'll kind
of teach you how to do some of the
prayer counseling but just you know come
on in for a session and that's the best
way to do it well in in the session I
answered some some of the questions
incorrectly I ended up being the patient
for a little bit of time which which
actually was good on one hand but he was
also a dude that was even though he done
all the sra stuff
he was like anti spirit everything even
though he was led by the Holy Spirit in
the prayer but he was afraid of
everything and you know even like
speaking in tongues oh no it's bad
because you don't know if that if a
demon speaking through you and Kirsten
are you and all this stuff and and when
I told him about you know my experience
of slide now
out of the body he was all that's asked
her projection that's wrong it's demonic
you know and and and so it really kind
of confused me in a lot of ways because
I'd never really especially before that
hadn't had a massive prayer language and
tongues at that point in time but I had
enough and I knew it's like no this is
this is okay there's good things and
healthy things to this and then so we
moved to Houston and still was kind of
coming out of this I end up getting
involved in in a Methodist Church of all
of all places for somebody like me to
land but they had a freedom and healing
team that I mean they they went after
physical healing and also deliverance
work I'm like hey this would be a good
good place for me to land and just kind
of rest and so that was a really a
healing space for me and just you know I
they were all probably 20 years older
than I was and and I've never been in a
place where there were educated men and
women that were seasoned in life and
just good solid meal wise people and so
that was healthy but about six months
after we moved to the Houston sitting at
a barbecue in a neighborhood barbecue
new neighbors and all that and several
the guys and I are talking
you know just life and we discover and
we'd all grown up in the church and
couple of us had had some encounters and
the most common theme that we talked
about was how bored we were in the
church we're like dude this is this is
painful man just it's boring you know
it's like you you get into life and it's
like conquer you know it's like be
successful it's work hard it's its dual
you know all the things that you do and
I do as well
and you get into Church and slike meek
and mild and you got to sit back and
just be passive and it's like do this
this sucks I don't want to do this
anymore and you know and the other it
was like you know we don't want to do an
accountability group because you know
what all those things are as you tell me
your sin and then the other guy says why
I'm bad and all the crap I got to do too
fix it and and all that stuff so but
none of us leave changed you know it's
more performance and so we just said hey
what why don't we just meet together
with no agenda with no Bible study and
that was like oh you know can you can
you do that you know and and you know
the purpose wasn't to go study books of
the Bible or any other books and so what
if we just met for the sole purpose of
encountering the presence of God no
other reason like that sounds a little
different let's let's try that and so
about eight years ago I guess now we we
met for the first time it's just five
five regular dudes and we really for the
first asked probably 3040 minutes just
talked about life I mean you know guys
don't typically get together and and
talk about life very much and so we just
kind of unloaded things and at the end
of it we said hey you know we probably
ought to pray to make this kind of an
official Bible study and so we we did
and as soon as we kind of just settled
and just you know did the traditional
you know bow our heads close our eyes it
was like the presence of God fell like
this heavy blanket and dude it was I
remember sitting there at the time it's
like nobody said a word because you're
afraid you were gonna wreck the spirit
or something and we just sat there it
felt like you know 30 minutes but I
think it was only like five and and then
somebody I think got the courage to
actually say something and then we kind
of said amen and we're like wow that was
that was powerful and so we said we're
gonna do this again
and so we've met almost every single
week for the last eight years just as as
our our prayer group and that really
started us on on two main journeys
number one just the encountering the
presence and angels and all kinds of
things but then really more on identity
in Christ and a deepening of that yeah
was really that journey that
started for that time Wow in I know I've
been rockin I got so many questions but
I know you're gonna keep going with this
story man I'm gonna keep having so many
more
I want to excuse me I'll get to the okay
I'll get to the name the flying penguins
and then we can probably pause there for
a second all right great
and so you know we've been meeting I
guess maybe six months and one of the
guys was from London and his
brother-in-law was over here for
Christmas break timeframe brother-in-law
was prophetic we're like yeah come join
us May it'll be great and you know we'd
have people join here and there but so
as we're worshiping and we do we just do
YouTube I'd have it up in my media room
and we do YouTube and just do the
YouTube worship and so as we're
worshiping and our whole premise you
know is that we want to be free we want
to push the envelope and so I'm always
like man if if you've never stood during
worship stand up you know try something
crazy you know and and we're like you
know if you've never raised your hands
never sung you know ridiculously loud
just do it man just let it go
so as we're worshiping you know we're
look I'm looking over and his
brother-in-law's like looking around the
room like he's seeing something really
there and so we're like hey dude what's
wrong with your brother-in-law is he
freaking out on us and and so he we
finally asked him and in this and I'll
butcher the English accent but it makes
it awesome
he's like he looks and she's like there
are penguins flying through this room
and he sees I mean he's seeing penguins
fly through the room and and you know he
saw some alligators and different things
and so we were we kind of laughed you
know and just went on and later that
night as I'm praying I suddenly have
this just this awesome vision and it's
this penguin way up in the jet stream
way way up and it's flying in this jet
stream and I'm kind of looking at this
and I'm kind of laughing a little bit
and the Lord says hey that's that's you
that's this group you're penguins
like oh man it's like Lord I don't want
to be a penguin you know your word talks
about Eagles man I want to be in like
your word and the father responds back
and he's like he said no no they said an
eagle's wings will break in the
intensity of the jet stream said only a
penguin can fly there and I want you all
to fly in the intensity of my holy
spirit jet stream and like okay we're
penguins and so from that point on we
became the flying penguins because you
only only penguins got to be up in the
extreme you know atmosphere if you will
and and a penguin can't fly exhibit you
know I know I was like there's a whole
lot deeper than just simply we're doing
what we were told we cannot do right the
Penguins were flying something I just
looked up here just typing it can
penguins fly and it says no but they fly
through the water so they would apply
through the water it's actually yeah so
that's really awesome eh I really like
the concept behind that - that's awesome
it came from a vision like that oh yeah
I'm gonna go ahead and jump straight to
a commercial break right quick but on
the other side I got a couple questions
for you about these encounters man I
want to revisit that heaven portal hole
and I've seen that what about man seems
to think about that now so we're gonna
go to a quick break we'll be right back
stay with us s so the encountering Jesus
the hem of His garment meditation man if
you guys are familiar with the story in
the Bible with the woman with the issue
of blood you're pretty much coming at it
from her perspective so you translate it
back to ancient Jerusalem 2,000 years
ago and you're walking through the
streets
now there's ambience we have voice
actors and all of those things as you're
encountering people walking through the
streets and as you're moving through the
crowded streets there's things on the
left and on the right they're trying to
get your attention
there's vendors trying to sell you
things there's groups of ladies that you
meet who are trying to pull you off the
road they're trying to gossip about you
you see all of this stuff going on but
you see Jesus straight ahead
and you're just trying to focus on Jesus
with all of these different distractions
that are coming and the different
distractions that I put in there was
something that God translated to me that
people were dealing with and some of it
was stuff that I have conquered in my
own life that I was able just to kind of
start rolling with it when the Lord told
me to go there but it's dealing with
gossip it's dealing with slander
backbiting inconsistency and getting
pulled off the path so as you're going
through the meditation you're being
ministered to for some of these areas in
your life that we've all struggled with
so again you're pushing further you see
Jesus ahead of you and you just know
that all you got to do is get close to
him everybody's fighting for his
attention and you just know you just got
to get close enough just to say hello
just close enough if he can see me I
just got to touch him and so you go in
and I don't want to give it away but you
go in and you encounter the love of
Christ you encounter Jesus he ministers
to you and it's just this beautiful
encounter that you have and it's about
16 minutes but as you have this
encounter I've also created these
meditations so that you can just kind of
keep going as you go in you're already
deep into the trance state you can kind
of keep going with the encounter so the
music continues to go for an hour
so there's testimonies about people who
are going in and they're encountering
Jesus they're encountering God they're
encountering angels and really just
getting downloads from the father's
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all right we're back so you're talking
about having this crazy encounter a
portal opened up in front of you you've
seen lightnings and flashings and
thunders and glory and things like that
on the other realm it closed up and then
you heard a voice you but do you believe
that that was the voice of God that you
heard or was this fellow able to
facilitate that I almost wonder because
it like maybe you had the the encounter
but you interpreted it wrong maybe it
possible something else to you like you
thought it was confirmation about this
guy because where does that come through
when we talk about like the false
prophets and stuff in the scriptures it
says they come through with lying signs
and wonder they can be on fire from
heaven and things like that do you think
that that wasn't a genuine encounter do
you think that the guy really was Elijah
or whoever it was I mean well I mean
what are you staying with that vision
now you do that that's a good question
and and I have wrestled through that
because you know so I'll say at the time
to me I I thought it was the voice of
God and and there was no interpretation
of what was said it was this it was this
guy's name and it said this guy's name
is the end time prophet Elijah so you
know and so you know I know I do not
believe he's the in times prophet Elijah
my eschatology is radically changed and
I'm you know I'm not as much of the end
times guy anymore but a nun that's not
actually because of that but so no I
don't believe easily in terms of
studying it just because of studying the
end times and you maybe felt like
everybody had it wrong or something like
just do a little study in a second we're
on this path of this study in the
scriptures and throwing everything away
I mean a lot of people when they have an
awakening I said okay I know
some things and I believe some things
over the years that weren't of you I
need to unlearn this stuff and let you
teach me again you know and just kinda
scent sounds like that's what you did
and then you really go through the
scriptures yeah you know and so as I've
wrestled through it I mean it's I've I
know now the dudes not the intense
prophet Elijah so so then when I made
that conclusion and I still stand by
that
now now Mike will crap now I have to go
back and really assess on do an honest
assessment of the entire vision and the
voice you know and I think there's no
other way for me than to say that it at
a minimum the voice that I heard was not
the voice of God
because it was incorrect you know and
then the other is okay then do I have do
I throw the whole thing out the whole
vision and to be honest I don't know
because you know the the vision was I
think in alignment with Scripture you
know it was a portal it opened which we
see in in Revelation 4 right that's you
know do you says hey come up here and
some translations say you know a door
opened up and I know in the passion
translation it talks about a portal
opening up and and then it was the
description of Revelation 4 and so you
know I think it's that aspect of it I
think is is good and I think I can hang
on to that but yeah it's a it's a hard
one man on how how to fully deal with it
but it's like like like I'm saying
moving forward because then you're like
questioning everything you know which
should oh yeah you should question
everything or everyone who comes saying
hey I am this guy I am Jesus I am you
know David Koresh these guys I mean and
those are just the popular ones you're
talking about a guy that not many people
have heard of I know a bunch of them I
know people you know we've talked about
this on other shows but who
claim to be all of the prophets and
disciples reincarnated and here at the
end times and then there's another group
70 miles away who claim to be the same
prophets in the flesh you know and just
a lot of weird theology I've dealt with
people in counseling sessions who have
been a part of groups who got the leader
claims to be Jesus and and all the
followers believe that he and and it was
hard for me to convince her I don't
think that I convinced her that he
wasn't Jesus you know and it's you it we
have to be careful in what we're doing
and you see this because you've been
through it you have an eye for it now
but when people come with some knowledge
or do something different to like kind
of woo you or win you over and you okay
what else you got what else you got
okay I'm Yu Ziqi oh okay my brother is
Ezekiel's whatever crazy stuff I've been
a part of those groups
I've left those groups I know I know men
who live in the woods who have taken on
vows of poverty
yeah they believe that they are the last
apostle sent to America before the
coming judgement they live in the woods
they go to the street corner and they
preach they tell stories about how God
is providing with them with providing
for them with little coupons that they
found on the ground for Taco Bell them
and their wife you know and it's these
miracles just like and you can relate it
back to the Ezekiel in the Bible where I
get Ezekiel eyes a mixed up maybe Elisha
where God fed him with the Raven yeah I
brought him food and when he was hungry
and God supply and so the weird thing is
that we have to be a hundred percent
honest here with the mind how powerful
the mind is oh yeah I will and the
emotions are and we create I believe we
can create our encounters too and I
wanted to explore that with you but yeah
wanting something so much that we create
and we believe it for ourselves I mean
this works with with so much stuff like
whether it's real whether it's a real
encounter whether God really showed up
or that
through our mind we willed God to show
show up or we summoned God to show up
and say and do what we want it to do I
mean this is just the difference between
having these organic encounters that are
happening and then on the other hand you
know we have this thing where we're
facilitating encounters as well whether
it's you know the meditations that are
produced and then you have one that you
do that you know walking with Jesus in
the garden and people have that
encounter and it's like okay did I
really encounter Jesus I feel like I did
I'm changed I'm in tears I found healing
for my soul and it's like he was really
there you know was he really there did
we summon him or does it work both both
ways and so it gets into the imagination
you know and and creating these things
and and we've taught the people who
believe that God is the imagination that
God is consciousness you know and right
it ties in with creating as you speak it
and facilitating your own encounter and
we may be what you guys are doing we're
meeting we're having a meeting and we're
gonna sit here until God moves and then
you all come with the same intention the
placebo kicks in mmm create an encounter
God moves God shows up something happens
we explore it we have this this crazy
encounter but you kind of come expecting
so there's this weird thing about these
organic things that happen for how
organic are they at the same time we're
you know we have to explore that and
then the universe and the willful
encounter encounters that worse we're
kind of creating ourselves alright
because we don't want it we don't want
it to be something in our mind but then
again we know we have to utilize the
mind in the imagination to even have
this conversation or to even show up and
and hope something happens or a sporting
downer you have to hope in your mind and
in your heart that if I ask he will show
up so let's do that what that looks like
it sounds like is it something created
in our minds I remember
you know just going through the
charismatic thing and praying for people
and fire and falling out and stepping
over people on the ground because
everybody's rolling in the glory and I
love that stuff but it got to a point
where I would pray inwardly and I would
whisper it father
nothing fake nothing made-up nothing
fake nothing made up and I was like if
this is real I want you to show up in
power but I don't want to will anything
to happen and yeah and when I when I
would approach it like that crazy stuff
would happen mmm I got like God would
move in power when we prayed for people
cuz I'm like nothing fake God only you I
don't want to push nobody I don't want
to shake nobody and God would really
just wreck my mind and show up and fill
everybody with glory and stuff so yeah
what do you think about that man because
there's two sides to the coin
maybe maybe God is the coin he is both
sides of the two sides right what do you
say yeah no you know it's an interesting
question I and I had somebody asked
almost that same thing to me you know I
started journaling years and years ago
and and I had this this lady read my
journal
who wasn't really a believer and and she
you know it was cool because she didn't
doubt the experiences but she just asked
you know basically how do you know kind
of what you're say how do you know it's
it's Jesus or or God and not just you
you found the magic words and have
tapped into something else like kind of
what you're saying potentially like the
consciousness or those things and you
know it's like man I'd at the time I'd
never really thought of it like that
and so where I am I think you know
number one I guess the difference that I
see is that there is something different
with the name of Christ I mean any other
name and you can you can invoke you can
do different things but when you bring
Jesus into the into the picture into the
situation it's like there's something
different with him even if they don't
like him or whatever but when you bring
Jesus in it's like man there's power to
that and that really for me is has kind
of kept me focused on Christ and on on
him as Lord and Savior so you know I
absolutely stick to that but I also know
and I know you you've seen a lot as well
that you know there are people in the
occult that you know are not following
Jesus you know as the Son of God and as
Savior who moved powerfully in the
spiritual dimensions and in the
spiritual planes and so it's to me it's
foolish to deny oh you know there isn't
something else going on there and so I
think my opinion is I think as as human
beings created in the image of God which
all of us are I think we have that
natural innate desire to experience God
the Father in spirit and so if you if
you aren't if you have not accepted
Christ and become a new creation then
you're trying to get in like through a
back door or side doors kind of how I
see it and you know folks do operate in
a spiritual dimension and I might I'd
say where I am right now with that is
that there's a there's definitely a
spiritual plane or several planes that
anyone I think can operate in I mean
it's let's be honest but then there's
like the the abode of God the the
heavens that you can only access through
the blood through the blood of Christ
and and having that that regeneration if
you will and it's interesting we we
actually saw this with just you know
probably a year and a half ago we were
in the group that we are with we
discovered there was some some folks
that just they weren't they weren't good
people and they were doing some some bad
stuff and one of the younger guys was
actually ascending with this other
person in the spirit and as they were
coming up through you know into the
clouds and he goes right through the
clouds and into the throne room of God
directly and this other person bumps
like literally bumped the bottom of the
cloud and couldn't go any higher or any
further and was not able to enter into
the throne room and you know initially
we and actually I don't think he ever
even told me that until after we
discovered some things it our I guess in
our assessment was wait a minute they're
there as a believer there's no
restriction the veil has been torn
there's no separation but if you're not
then there is that that separation I
believe in that and that was our
scheming that was it really caused us to
wonder you know right so who is this
person what's really going on but so I
guess you know I say that I do believe
that anyone can operate in it and but
there there is a difference with Christ
and and becoming a new creation which is
only through Christ but you know as far
as do we summon it do we does it only
come to us you know it's a good question
and I struggled with that you know a
while ago you know a couple of number of
years ago now cuz it was like you it's
like man I don't I don't want this to be
fake I know our imaginations are
powerful I know we can do things and
it's like I don't I don't want to I
don't want it to be my own will that
kind of creates this and so for a while
like all right if I can control it then
then it's no good it's it's not God you
know and so I I kind of went on those
lines for a little bit and and then as
we really got deeper into the Penguins
things were happening so much so fast
all the time and you know the last eight
years have have blown away in comparison
really the you know the previous 30-plus
of my life in supernaturally I would say
and
so I know I think I'm what I would say
at least now as I'm as you guys bringing
me deeper an identity in Christ and even
as a co heir with Christ which is
obviously what what the word talks about
being cool airs and I didn't really
understand I still don't really
understand it to be quite honest I feel
like I'm just scratching the surface
with it yeah and you know the concept of
how I understand being a co air is that
you're on the same playing field which
is weird you know as Christ because of
what he's done is in created as a new
creation but then I have
responsibilities as well I mean if you
look at a marriage relationship you know
there's it's intended to be Co equals
you know that it's it's a partnership
and a co air kind of a relationship and
I think that's why there's so much
Bridal language and in the New Testament
especially with our relationship with
Christ is because that co air and that
responsibility so yeah I do believe that
we have the ability to gosh I mean I DS
the word manufacture but I I do believe
that we manifest I mean that's it's so
crazy it's like so it's it's weird when
you look back over those encounters you
can probably to be honest to see that
you got what you desired for the most
part right yeah even in the spontaneous
ones like you desired but the hard thing
is to say when you're when you get
something new you know you just open
maybe that's a desire to Lord blow our
minds all right we want something new
and if you're looking for that you're
open for that God shows up you know I
remember every like we would get what we
were looking for with these encounters
and stuff and like yeah it you know
there's power in the mind and and you
have the placebo effect as well that if
you believe it you will receive it
you're not
talk about that when it comes to you
know whether it's spiritual warfare or
angels and demons or aliens or whatever
like if you believe something you can
will it to happen even if it's only in
your mind and in your conscious realm
and your reality for you I was just
thinking this morning you know I was
driving through the city and just
remembering you know when I was in those
cults and the end-times stuff and we
would study the architecture and look at
Illuminati symbolism and we were just
and you would just have daytime visions
of everything being destroyed of bombs
dropping of Christ burning sky and like
whatever you're looking for your
worldview you it's gonna change the way
that you act and react and inform
conversations and want to engage people
even as a friend you know and things
like that so it's just like all of the
stuff shapes your worldview and it's
it's really hard to put put your finger
on it because you know we're
facilitating awakening we're
facilitating these encounters and I have
no doubt that these people are that that
God wants to encounter people right yes
is his desire for us to have just the
depth in the realm and maybe each realm
of consciousness as a facet of who he is
maybe the destruction side of God the
destroyer and then maybe the other side
of God the Creator and then God the
friend and then God the lover and God
the fighter and like all of the African
realms and areas of consciousness that
he is real like it you can explore
whatever realm you want and whatever you
believe you're gonna create and you're
gonna explore that and it's real if it's
only real to you your world you and so
I'm like you man and those just those
beautiful encounters that we found out
what we call or what the Bible calls
waiting on the Lord those who wait on
the Lord shall renew their strength and
some of the most powerful times is just
getting together with a group of
brothers where two or more gathered
there I am in the midst see none of this
stuff works unless you
believe in it but I believe in it if you
put your faith and believe in it then
you unlock the keys in the of the
kingdom or the mysteries of heaven the
mysteries of enlightenment the mysteries
of encounter with the Living God and the
depths of Christ if you believe it so we
get together we say god we just want you
to show up and sit in silence and things
start happening you know you create an
encounter that way and so you're looking
at the Bible the placebo effect then
people got what they were looking for
the woman with the issue of blood if I
there's no healing in them in him of his
garment he did not wear a special cloak
that he charged up every night and they
release energy and portions event that
did not happen right in her mind her
being knows that this guy is so
beautiful
I've heard so many stories about him
healing the sick raising the dead
there's so many people in the way all I
got to do is get close enough if I can
touch the hem of His garment and I'll be
healed yeah and it was given to her
according to her faith or according to
her belief because I believed it and she
encountered it and then we see Jesus go
into other cities and here is God in the
flesh or the son of God made manifest
before creation he's walking through the
city healing people in scriptures that
say he healed everybody in that city he
went to another city they knew who he
was they grew up with him they might he
played basketball with them they went to
school with them this is this is Yahshua
ben yosef this is jesus the son of the
carpenter he's not a messiah trust me I
know him he went into cities and
couldn't heal anyone because of their
unbelief if they believe that they could
have received it and and more source
realms of your belief in your faith
unlocking these different dimensions
absolutely and greater things are
possible so it's unlocked by your faith
I mean then it shows that well we have
lack of faith you know you've never
encountered and we don't know that this
is real and we're just gonna come to a
sermon but just the beautiful mystery of
it all
yeah and dance with God and creation is
it so mysterious in the mystery I
believe is revealed in Christ and the
supremacy of Christ and and you saying
his name has power his name has power
because you believed it has power and
you know and if you can just if I can
just utter that word his name was in
Jesus right as far as like the
pronunciation and you say it right but
if I could just get that name off of my
lips then this this encounter this
nightmare
these demons will subside and then you
get the name and it breaks it's
according to our face but it is we
created as we believe it and we're able
to enjoy those realms and encounter it
and explore it man I don't know if you
have anything to add off the back of my
little ramp but it is uh it is a mystery
and a song-and-dance that that we create
as we speak and as we believe no I'm
with you I mean you know and as you
point out I mean clearly biblically
faith plays a role and a significant
role but then as he also said in some
cases it doesn't seem to play a role
even even despite a lack of faith and if
we even look at Paul I mean that was a
total I mean he was 180 you know and and
had that had the conversion knocked off
as horse all that good stuff so it's
yeah man I mean it's uh there is it
plays a huge role with that um and hello
I mean it's kind of one of those I'm
always wrestling through it and I find
you know I find the more I encounter God
the Father especially the more he
unravels my theology and then I have to
put it back together and then dig into
the word and and and like dude I never
saw that before and exactly what you're
saying it's because my filter had been
you know pointed a certain way and you
know based on the where I've grown up
and my teaching and all this it put
blinders on in some cases and it's it's
there in the word the whole time it was
just how I interpreted
based on the filter that I had and so I
find that more often than not man is
that the encounters unravel the some of
that theology and forced me to go back
and dig into the word and and for me
though it's the you know the word for me
in the Bible is the anchor that that
keeps me on the straight and narrow
but I I see the Bible as the
introductory love letter you know it's
not obviously you know there are there
are folks your cessationists are like
man nothing nothing happens now and if
you can't see it in the Bible directly
then it's bad and you know and I love
valuating Clayton always always says
like you know show me a computer show me
a car show me all the things or the
Facebook ministry show me yeah Facebook
mr. Bates you know and so you while the
Bible I believe is the the authority the
authoritarian Word of God but it's the
opening you know it's it's the
introduction because it's you know we
don't worship the Bible you know it's it
is what leads us to the person that we
worship which God the Father and Jesus
and so it's a it's it is that guideline
but it kind of puts I guess boundaries
on it I say I hesitate to say boundaries
because every time I think I've found
the boundary it like it's blown out of
the water and yeah my goodness you know
but I I guess for me interesting things
is that you know I actually just bought
because of your your interview while ago
with praying medic so I bought a couple
of his books I hadn't read any stuff
before and loved it and I finished how
to you know traveling in the spirit made
made simple and I realized wow we've
done I I do almost everything he's
talking about in there on pretty
consistent and pretty consistent basis
and I was like man the one thing I
haven't had happen yet is the
translocation like what we see with
Philip the physical and I know guys that
have done that
and funny enough we I was in Colombia on
a mission trip and got two days in a row
translocated an entire bus of us I mean
we were on a bus and the journey for the
you know Tuesday Wednesday was supposed
to take an hour in ten minutes
and it took thirty five minutes this is
in Bogota Colombia crazy traffic a bus
driver that knows this route drives it
and we all of a sudden were there and we
were worshiping the whole time and it
was we were lost in the spirit and all
of a sudden were like okay we're here
and the bus driver is totally confused
and he's like this isn't right
something's not right
because he knows this and in here we are
I mean we get physically translocated in
the spirit you know right sweet man
we've done we've done all of it but I
think what's interesting there is that
the you know we're having like I'll have
a lot of these experiences either
personally or with with the flying
penguins you know and then I'll read
about it like either through something
you post or like Ian Clayton or Justin
Abraham that's true on those paths and
it's it's all the same I'm like that is
that's crazy when you have very very
similar experiences or like you know
even the garden experience that that we
do I mean that's not no we didn't make
it up you know it was many many people
have very similar if not exact
experiences and so it's like alright god
you are doing something and I one thing
and maybe maybe you've seen this I I
haven't yet is what I haven't seen is
like for if you're in a group you know
with non-christians right if they see
and experience the same stuff or if it's
different and I've you know I've heard
some of the Ascension groups you know
say hey don't do that because there's
too much opportunity for exception that
you know they they move in the different
realms that aren't maybe sanctified or
though
those things but I haven't really I
haven't had to be honest any experience
with it because at least anybody that
taken into the garden if they if they
weren't believers before they come out
of it yes the feedback that I'm getting
from the you know the meditations and
one guy here Memphis I you know I've
never done a Christian meditation and I
think it was a throne room when it
wasn't even the Jesus owner he's like I
never had a Christian bit but you come
and face to face with the Creator and
you know it's because I have an
encounter through it and they're they're
coming out with their lives changed of
something that we're able to facilitate
Oh something beautiful like like those
things is like that we're able to
experience it first like yeah that was
like it's almost like just detailing my
own journey
okay father what are we doing next okay
I see that okay what would you say you
love them you've called them a purpose
okay you know and so there's just it's
not like just getting creative and oh I
made this up it's like I'm trying to
channel the Father's heart he's bidding
people to come you know and the spirit
and bride say come
you know it when you come even if they
get tricked into coming you know what
I'm saying
they're able to have that encounter but
everybody approaches that even from a
different level of faith as well some
people know him as lying some people
know that know him as lamb some people
know right
creator some people as destroyer again
there are these different levels of
yachts that people come to and hopefully
it's more on the loving side is the goal
to get you to know Bob says that God is
love and I think that anything that
resonates in love whether it's Christian
or anything outside of Christian
Christendom I think it's safe if done in
the intention of love which is the
greatest the greatest vibration again I
think it's God if it's done of love it's
God because God is love so and again
like I don't I don't judge people
anymore about you know I'm a Christian
or hey I'll have the Bible or whatever
because we know some pretty nasty people
who use the Bible and Havana and
have to but so the Bible is the plumb
line as far as like trying to filter all
that love story because the Bible is a
love story for us believers
I once offended someone when I said that
if you're not then the Bible becomes a
horse or a Horror Story but those who on
the on the other side of the coin there
you know but again it's it's how do you
know him like what is it to you to me
it's a yeah of love story to God
engaging us so I think you know I think
without without love
then God God does become the the big
nasty policeman up in the sky that's
ready to just to pound you into the dirt
every time you make a mistake and I
think you and I see so many in the
church unfortunately that you know while
they say Ya Ya Jesus forgave us all that
they really they live in a sin
management religion that's absolutely
brutal and you know you get all these
angry prophets on on the street corner
and while they are speaking truth of the
Bible they're they're so angry because
they see God's this wrathful judgmental
you know father it's gonna blow
everything up you know tomorrow and they
filter his word and his love through
that limbs and it comes out angry and
judgmental because they feel my opinion
they feel judged themselves and so you
you really can only according to how you
believe I think for me that's where man
as identity is taken more and more hold
in my life and you know really who Jesus
already says that I am you know it as a
new creation I'm holy I'm righteous I'm
pure because of what Jesus has done yeah
then man it's like I'm free and I'm free
to love I'm freedom experiences love and
man my you know I would say my temper at
times and those things it's it's
reducing it's not gone you know but it's
it's it's getting more and more like
Christ but it's becoming it's because of
the
in inside in the belief system that that
God has been showing me on identity and
and that's to be honest that's gotten me
in massive trouble the last two years
that within the church they just they
freaked out because they're so focused
on managing sin that when you really for
me I begin to realize so you know we
don't have a sin problem we have an
identity problem sin is just the is the
symptom and the outflow of a poor
identity in Christ and so the more we we
get ahold of that then the more our our
behavior reflects that and becomes more
loved oh yeah you know I thought that'd
be good news for folks and they didn't
think so have experienced it yet and
hopefully they will they may never that
may be you know that may be their final
destination when it when faith is faith
is concern but again yeah I'd say come
and the deep the deepness and the depths
of God is and what that is it will make
you an enemy to those who are in
religion or the religious spirit and
Jezebel and use and control it face
those demons and so it's really
interesting like in in the Kabbalah they
believe that like ascending to heaven
like just guarded by these different
angels in ranking rock well let you by
unless you you have a company you've
completed these tasks and so I believe
in a the tasks and things like that that
we have to complete their levels of
sanctification whether it's like realms
of belief in areas that we've given God
our full trust and we trust God here but
we don't trust him there well that's
only gonna let you ascend to a certain
level to walk in perfection is that
inner sanctification process but they
believe that it's guarded by these
different different levels and things
like that
yeah I don't know if I believe that
they're actually they're warring angels
or whatever the case is but I do know
that there are levels to it and there's
things that we've believed whether it's
through reading the word the bob says
faith comes by hearing and hearing by
the Word of God so reading the
scriptures and just unlocking face that
way to believe bigger things and then a
faith in action is like taking the word
into the streets and then or in prayer
time or asking God or trying God in this
area testing him to see if he's if it's
real you know and so you start to have
your mind expanded and so most of the
time like Moses when he went up to the
mountain he went up there alone right
had to take his word for it and
hopefully that his his uh you know his
character his manifestation and things
like that changed when he came down but
for most of us it's these benches that
come out of the secret place yeah but it
changes them and people want you to
prove it it's like do I have to try to
repeat it I can take you with me on
these encounters you know these type of
things for you to for you to believe but
the things we've seen an experienced man
the miracles we've seen God show up and
provide and all of that stuff it's not
it's not really communicated through
speech you know it is it really is they
have these this it this intimate
relationship with the father where you
learn as a student and as a child
firsthand through what he has mapped out
for you revealed through fellowship with
the Holy Spirit which is the teacher you
know absolutely absolutely well I think
you know if if your encounters are not
causing you to love people better yeah
then I would really question the
encounters you know because that's the
heart of the father is as you said his
love is to love yeah and we encounter
him the more to truly encounter him the
more he transforms us the more and we
should be loving other people and so as
the you know as the word says we judge
by the fruit and if your fruit is rotten
coming out of it then man you need to
really look at those things and
understand it but I think just touching
on the levels for a second you know I
think there is something to that I think
but it's I see it as more like a
maturity you know like I've got so I've
got four kids and I'm not gonna give my
eleven-year-old son the keys to my car
because he's not mature enough to drive
yet I can't reach the pedals really but
you know but it's but it's it's his
because everything that is mine is his
as part of family right so even though
you were entrusted to him he still has
access like right now to go get the keys
yeah you know because it's like you know
like you know when when they want when
he wants a glass of milk or a nanny my
kids want a glass of milk
they don't come ask me and begged me to
go open the fridge and get milk it's
their house they go they go get milk out
of the fridge and I can't a lot of mine
does oh yeah yeah they dump it on the
floor but I mean is that it's that
concept of as as we mature you know we
we gain access really if we can say it
that way to more and more of the
inheritance that that we already have
you know and we can drive later we can
we can do all those things and you know
for me you know you get inheritance from
somebody dies right so Jesus has already
died and it claimed you in the word says
we we get the inheritance the full
inheritance but I do believe good as
you're saying that as we mature and grow
and the father can really trust our
heart more because it's becoming more
and more like Christ in our belief then
I do believe we get access to more
things because if you know one thing I
yes
you know guys that that prophesy from
upfront you know and more publicly man
if if their maturity is is not that good
or if their view of God the Father is
poor do they do a ton of damage to
people when they're prophesying doom and
gloom and that kind of crap from from a
public setting because they're seeing it
but their interpretation and how they
interpret instead of speaking life or
the opposite of what they're seeing
they often will speak death and man it
is it's awful
and I think that that comes with
maturity but I also believe that some of
these things that we can do God doesn't
allow us to do them yet because of the
damage it would cause you know I think
what we think we see that with when with
Jesus it's the sons of thunder right
when they basically they KITT they get
pissed off because this town two rejects
them right I can't matter where it is
but they're like hey hey hey gee should
we call fire down and basically destroy
the place so it's like I love it man cuz
they they were understanding who they
were they understood the power they had
through Christ but they didn't have the
maturity yet and and I you know you can
just see Jesus just like Oh guys come on
I love that you're getting it but no you
can't whack everybody yeah yeah it's
interesting man and so like it's already
there you know but it's like you your
levels that we're going back again to
the consciousness the level of
consciousness that you're walking in
yeah term Christ consciousness I think
mine priced and and understand where he
would he knew and so but there's levels
to you know we just know him as Savior
we just know he pulled us out of our sin
now we know a message over Jireh the
provider now we know him is my friend
Jesus friend of sinners now we know him
as companion now we know him as this and
this and this and this now we know him
as the god of lights the Lord of the
lights note the 100 light speaks through
the stars now in norms as the God who
speaks through all creation yes nothing
that is that exists that he doesn't know
about and he's willing to communicate
with you through it and God is in
everything and so man I want to read the
story again but Manley P Hall put out a
book and he's got a couple dear friends
like short stories he put together and
one was about this guy who to win on
this walk through the wilderness of
praying and fasting and he had this
encounter with was the Christ and
everywhere he looked he's seen the face
of Christ and everything he looked in
the water in the ripples and he seen
Christ and he looked at the son who seen
Christ
Wow
in the hills in this relationship and
everything he's doing he's plagued but
he just sees the majesty of Christ in
all things and it was such a beautiful
story and so I can see myself in that of
just being able to see him in all things
because in Christendom we're told that
God is here here and here
not that God does in his word he's not
this he's not that he's not this but
it's like you know what just a to see
him in the duality of all things you
know of God in the light of the of God
who creates the light and creates the
darkness and he's in and of them both
and there's nothing that you can do
there's no way that nowhere that you can
go to escape this love and it's
all-consuming power and again that is a
high level of consciousness to walk in
to be able to see him operating in all
things there Frank passionate and help
other people when they're going through
stuff why because you've trained
yourself to see what what God is saying
in this situation and then they even
create an encounter like we're talking
about get together with a couple people
sit in silence okay God what are you
what are you saying what are you doing
and and now it's just become just a
simple prayer for people when it's a
small gathering somebody will tell us
their story what they're dealing with
asking for prayer and we just say okay
father what would you say right
what would you say we've heard their
story we would know her opinion what
she's going through what would you say
and just really position yourself to
know that God is speaking through some
things
Oh through all things man and God is the
he's communicating with us and there's
something to be learned and we see that
in Paul's journey with his his ailment
that he was dealing with and God says I
got something I want to teach you I want
to teach you that you can worship me
when everything's going good but you
seem to have a problem when things get
kind of shaky your faith is you know
then it rocky serve me when when things
aren't going good and then I'll make you
rule over more then I'll show you more I
got more I want to show you but you're
not ready
you've not you're not walking in that
level of consciousness yet that level of
trust mmm again there's things that you
can't
right now because you're not ready right
that wouldn't be you would give these
pearl
I have pearls for you yeah to the swine
you want even and even Jesus says that
you know and I can't it was one of the
Pharisees that came to him and he's like
dude if if you can't even understand
things here that I'm trying to explain
to ya you you're there's no chance for
you to understand heavenly things you
know and so there is that's the thing is
there is more out there and I think you
know it's interesting with the kind of
your commentary on and Christendom you
know you're taught no he's not nature
he's not yes but you know what I see
more and more is like it's the
fingerprint of God it's the essence of
God it's the it he is he's the creator
of all things so his his essence is his
fingerprints are everywhere and so I
think we can see the beauty of it but of
course then it's the all-new ages
everything is God or or you know that
it's you know if you get into more the
hindu cider or those things that it's
you know God is in everything and I
think you can kind of to me it's like
it's easy to get it mixed up to where
then you begin worshiping nature instead
of seeing the glory Evan brilliant I do
believe I do believe creation as the
word says is alive I mean they're there
there's something to that I don't fully
understand it but you know the word says
the rocks will cry out the trees will
clap their hands and you can say oh
that's metaphorical you know but there's
- yeah there's too many things out there
that I'm seeing this like okay no
everything is is in its it's all
worshipping God the Father it's all
directed there there is a glory of God
that is worshipped and and then as
co-heirs and sons we have a
responsibility in that you know and and
and even how we take care of the earth
and the planet that's our responsibility
and we've done a crap job you know but
and I think part of that is because
you know so much of the church is this
end times view ad it's gonna blow up
anyway don't don't worry about taking
care of it and I think that's that's sad
you know cuz my I mean that that goes to
the earth but then I've heard him do
that about the body yeah chicken tenders
I like you know though you know get out
by twelve so we can watch the football
game and hit the buffet like that was
their big thing and it was full of obese
people you know and they they have this
this this thinking of whether you know
this is just a temporal body and you
know it doesn't mean anything in which
the shell and I'm gonna give it up soon
and right here I'm like Jamaa even mock
people working out making fun of people
working out on the body that's gonna be
destroyed by fire and warm Willy I've
heard like Jimmy Swaggart and Donny
swagger and those guys who I really
loved their revelation of the cross man
they have a revelation like no other no
but you would hear them be be right on
on some things and other things it would
just like turn your stomach it's making
fun of people who want to protect the
planet or save whales and they're just
bragging about polluting the water and
all kind of weird so yeah so becoming
conscious of that seeing God in that
right here and in the animals and in
relationships you know and yeah God in
Jimmy Swaggart ministry oh yeah in the
ministries that you don't like and being
able to see the good in it and I for it
you can get into trouble by doing that
but it's still being able to see what
they're bringing to the table man yeah
that that's good you know oh yeah
broken clock is Right twice a day you
know exactly well I think you know so
many and unfortunately they we you know
it's like we're almost taught to abuse
your body and to think it and see it as
trash right because the the flesh is
sinful and and I think when we've got
that view then you know because our
flesh is part of creation and so it
responds to us I mean we're we're sons
of the king we have authority in power
so our body does respond
- is our flesh does and if we are
speaking death over it then you're gonna
get sick and those things and you know
for speaking life over it then things
respond differently and I and I think
it's uh and again to me it's all it all
comes that short term mentality and
really a misunderstanding that the
there's a sense that this flesh it's
just worthless we just need to shed the
earth suit and jump in spirit and it's
all good the Lord Terry
yeah exactly but it's like all right if
that's our view then we've totally
misunderstood the resurrection because
Jesus had a physical resurrection for a
purpose and and I'll be honest I don't
fully understand why he had the physical
resurrection I mean yes there's the
standard all for you know to heal the
body and those things but it's not just
for when we when we die and go to heaven
there's where else we would have seen
him in a vision you know or the the
Bible said a vision not walking around
physically eating touching all those
things so I think there's there's
something to the resurrected body which
I do believe as new creations all of us
have now we're not waiting for it we
have a resurrected body and I'm not a
hundred percent sure what we can do with
it yet yeah some people are going out on
some far-out things about eternal life
and living forever and in the flesh and
believe it and hey maybe they'll receive
it tell them no you know what I'm saying
man I'm it's I've been stretched on that
that very subject and even you got guys
like Kirby who you know they eat for
only once every thirty days or a live
off of next nothing and I've I've
experimented quite a bit with that you
know and going five to seven days and
and getting in the spirit and praying
and just you know feeling full I mean
it's it's crazy there there's there's
more to it than I think many understand
or even are willing to admit
so I mean it's like man we can there's
so much we can we can do that I think we
I think we limit ourselves really I mean
that's part of that faith thing you know
I I joke that you know Jesus says that
we can do everything that he did more
and one of those as he walked on water
and I joke is like man I've been wet in
my pool you know so many times trying to
walk across it because I and I do
believe one day I think I'm gonna be
able to do that but it's not my power
it's it's stretching faith you know it's
even if I never do
every time I empty every time I go it
stretches my faith and that's and that's
what I want is is to get my faith
stretched and Criss Angel did it you can
do it yeah exactly
exactly because they eat well and that's
a good point though we see in the occult
dude
they move in power I mean there's no
denying that stuff it there's a power to
it I do believe that that you know in
Christ the everything's under his feet
so that is the ultimate on supreme power
you know but there's a power to those
things and yeah they do it I mean I know
you've seen it I've seen it it's like
whoo but most most Christians don't walk
in that kind of power because they they
just either cessationist or they or they
don't have that faith that allows them
to really walk as good it would it would
say why do you want to walk on water
like what what good is that proving why
do you want to walk on water I was like
I asked the guy that who was he was a
good friend we used to minister together
then he got into the reformed theology
John MacArthur that kind of stuff yeah
it was like we're talking about how man
we're just so supernatural and then good
stuff encounter and there's like and the
Bible says that we'll be able to drink
UUP's a deadly poison it would not be
harmed he's like yeah how would you want
to do that I was like water site so if
Tom came but I need to I want to be able
to know that I can I need I need to run
I want to be able to do it yeah you know
and to be honest I think the
some things because it's fun you know I
think we get this yeah I mean it's we
forget I always say sight we forget that
that God has the biggest laugh of
anybody in the universe you know and and
we forget that he's joyful that we
forget that he's that he's playful you
know and that it is okay for us to
actually enjoy life and to enjoy things
you know we see that all through the the
Old Testament and everything that man
they those students were wealthy I mean
they they enjoyed things I mean it talks
about strong drink you know I'm not
advocating alcoholism but at the same
time there are there are so many things
in the Bible that I mean you know
wouldn't wouldn't be allowed in the
church today if only we think of it but
it's it's biblical and these are the
heroes of the faith you know yeah man
there's so much more and so hopefully
that people who are listening they just
get that like there's no cap like
there's no cap on the realms of God and
what you have access to where you're
privy to and you just have to access
about faith and and be taught of the
Lord Himself yeah you're a true disciple
not of Martin or Derek or Gil or who
exactly will you be a disciple of Christ
and let him TS his job let the man but
the spirit did his job the job is to
teach you and lead you and guide you
into all truth and the Bible even says
that you in first john that you need not
any man to teach you but the Holy Spirit
which is the Spirit of Truth will guide
you into all truth and that's what he he
does best and so when you get inducted
into that Mystery School which we all
are you know we're drawn away to go to
that college you know and learn yeah you
know in in I use this term a lot but in
in this in the mystery school realm they
have a term that they call the invisible
college and there were there by the
masters and the angels and the spirits
that teach them in the invisible college
so I liken that to our invisible College
God the Father Holy Spirit Jesus the
Angels the elders were being taught
maybe our answer
maybe the nature spirits I don't know if
it is of course we have to take with it
nature spirits where we sit outside and
just you know say meditate and let the
cool breeze hit hit your face and yeah
I've done that and had beautiful
encounters over my life and there's
birds all around me like insane and I'd
see the wind moving to the trees and
it's the spirit and it's like it's
almost like a creature we and the trees
and it's just the wind cool of the day
in the sight
Wow I'm just in the door just a beauty
of this realm that I'm able to see God
or see how I am to my prayers and asking
God to show up in that way and just so
there's no cap on it you know don't let
anybody rob you of your joy become like
little children again man right and just
been in an improve approach him with awe
and wonder and book in belief remember I
used to have dreams about this stuff I
have dreams about healing people and
dreams rates in the dead I would wake up
sad but it's like man just engage that
stuff for prayer believe the impossible
again you know and godly people who he
can send out there who is just willing
to trust them in that stuff I mean he's
got great and mighty things that you do
not know and cannot find out unless you
draw away into the secret chambers of
the Lord I really believe that Jeremiah
33:3 that's my motto man and I that I've
learnt of him and it's hard to
articulate and it's hard to just sit
down is I'm not that well spoken so it's
hard to just sit down and articulate
this stuff I've tried to do it with
music and art and meditation and I'm
done a decent job you know but they're
not even scratched the surface of the
different realms and abilities and I
feel like I'm deep and I've seen so much
but again I've only scratched the
surface and then the other who have a
whole nother aspect of different levels
of consciousness that they've been
walking in that I've not even been privy
to so we get them on the show we want to
interview them and hear their stories
man so bro I really appreciate you
coming on man let people know where they
can get involved with what you do what
you bring to the table your work yeah
what you know when we can get a recorded
version of that walk through the garden
with Jesus you know yeah yeah so you
know we've got our website it's the
flying penguins dot
org we've also got I'm also on a YouTube
channel which is just the flying
penguins and that's probably the best
place with like the garden experience
just how to hang out with Jesus and you
know walks you through you know bit of
the background with it but then also how
to actually encounter and it's I kind of
lead through that encounter then we've
also got a Facebook page the flying
penguins as well and then of course you
know with the the next stagers and you
know with what you and I get to do but
then if you're in kind of the Houston
area then we do meet Monday night says
as men and then Saturdays as as youth as
well and it's interesting man we've had
I've had a couple of guys now come
because they saw saw me on niether with
Basham or one of you guys and we've just
started meeting in a small church so
that we can grow because we just had at
the house and until then and to be
honest it's a little weird man when
somebody that you don't know anything
about you know that wants to come to
your house that I was I was
uncomfortable with that initially and so
now we've moved a small Church that I'm
more comfortable with that which is
which is good we've kind of done the
same yes coming up it's like everybody
wants to come to the house and we've had
some we had a powerful encounter but you
never know never know yeah again we're
gonna do it are you been that at a
building but yeah man I want to thank
you again as well man just publicly for
being a patron and supporting my work
and believing in the vision and
everything that you bring to the table
it's beautiful and you got so much more
to offer there's so much a whole bunch
more questions that I had I'm sure we'll
do this again when the Internet's
working properly we could yeah yeah so
but I've enjoyed this as well so man
just you know the okay so there's
different levels what right we're
talking about if we believe it we can
receive it what would you tell someone
who's listening they're not a Christian
they've never had an encounter with
Christ I've never access to any of these
meditations or anything but what would
you how would you describe Jesus to them
like if they wanted to close their eyes
and pray or encounter him like if you
believe that you will receive it what is
this what do you think we need to
leave Jesus what does he look like what
does he sound like with it like who is
it to you man good question
you know I think so for me I mean I see
Jesus as you know as a fella you know
oftentimes it looks similar to me sounds
similar to me in in my mind but there
there's such a love there that in a
freedom that man everything I thought
negative about myself when I get into
the presence of God and in front of
Jesus it all that falls off man and it's
like I feel so loved so accepted no
matter what I'm doing it's like he just
it's like he just integrates within me
and his love and acceptance just
overwhelms me and that's what transforms
me and so you know what I would say just
something that doesn't you know has
never experienced Jesus like that's
that's what's waiting for you in Christ
and no matter what has happened to you
no matter what what your life has been
like and what others say about you there
there is the God of the universe is
dying desperately to have a relationship
with you and to just just overwhelm you
with this love and acceptance that's
that's really what I'm after and and
what why we do the garden experience is
because I want I want not only on myself
but everybody to have that face-to-face
encounter with Christ because there are
no words as I know you know when you
encounter him there's just there's some
things you can't explain but it's like
you're home and and you're loved and
you're accepted man I just love it
that's good man as you were sharing that
I just I felt the spirit man and I seen
on you it was it was the Spirit of God
in your heart center coming out from
your heart coming out in layers and
waves coming out all the way to your
skin washing you refreshing you
cleansing you with love and then going
back into the heart so
like from within and without this is
cleansing from the heart coming out to
cleanse and then just going back in
radiating bigger and bigger and I could
feel it I think there's some awful man
so so good if anybody listening man just
know that he loves you and he's made all
provision listen he's moved heaven and
earth for you to know who he is and if
you don't know who he is if you're in a
place right now where you can pray I'm
gonna say a prayer and we'll let Martin
pray as well but it's one uh god I just
thank you for Christ Lord just for the
sacrifice Lord that you've made for us
Lord you've literally moved heaven and
earth Lord that we wouldn't have any
excuse that we would be separated from
you that all we got to do is ask Father
are you closer then our next breath
father so we just celebrate you we thank
you for your presence and for your love
god I just ask you anybody out there
who's listening who has never
encountered your presence they have
never felt this love from above this
love from within also from without God I
just ask you just to overtake them
shatter them with your love guide your
keys your joy your righteousness that
only comes from you we may have tried to
find it in the things of the earth God
and things and other realms and drugs
and relationships and substances God but
true joy true peace and true bliss
literally God is tangible euphoria light
of love God comes from you I just asked
you to overtake them right now I speak
peace upon them and even as I seen in a
vision guy coming out from their heart
Lord and creating them a clean heart
father got it in radiates out and just
go out there there Adams God that their
synapses more electrical system in their
body just clean it all hook it all back
up right according to your word God
bring forth healing mind body and spirit
I pray in Jesus name overshadow them
with your love we bless you God
yeah father I just I'm just I'm just so
in love with you so blown away by your
presence and just who you are
and father I just I just speak to
anybody right now listening whether you
are believer in Christ or not that you
would encounter them I just speak that
right now just incredible encounters
face to face with you Jesus where
they that you define who they are you
tell them who they are in you and I just
speak to all negativity all harsh words
that they would just be broken right now
and that your truth would would just
just flow into them and and out from
them father God that your love and
acceptance would be there so Jesus I
just I thank you for that and for those
that that are stuck in in bondage and
and are into other things there is
freedom in Christ and I just speak that
freedom to you now and Jesus that you
would show them the truth of what
they're into and what they're bound up
into and that it would be like this
keyhole that you would present to them
and that you give them the key that they
can unlock and all the chains come off
so I just thank you for that Jesus and
they can enter into your rest and into
your love so thank you in the name of
your son Jesus we pray amen and amen
bro thank you for coming on man I really
enjoyed that we got to do it more yeah
man
bless you with everything you're doing
look forward to working with you more
with the next stages and our group
sessions there and and growing in the
spirit and seeing what God is doing
there so love you man everybody make
sure y'all go follow his work on YouTube
you say you want iTunes and those things
as well or no yeah you do on the N on
the fringe as well hey friends got you
up there for sure yeah yeah and Smith
flying penguins you better find it man
make sure y'all follow his work we do it
again brother thanks so much thanks
brother appreciate it I bless all right
Martin Smith ladies and gentlemen man
it's good stuff that is good stuff
that's why we do what we do just we talk
about him he shows up talking about the
realms and the depths of God and who he
is you know I had a friend once I'm not
gonna say any names throw anybody under
the bus but he he came at me with the
rebuking said you know Derrick I don't
think God likes the way you talk about
the Bible I don't think God likes the
way you're talking about this and and
things and so you don't have to question
that and say okay God you know do you
because we're like you know I'm playing
the devil's advocate
in the good sense of the word I want to
make sure this is real like I want to
make sure that we're not just Tooting
our own horn and just having a a good
time and doing fun things and I want to
make sure that the that I'm encountering
the Christ or to make sure that I'm so
we have these questions keep them to
yourself don't let no because other
people have these questions to other
people wrestle with their faith and
wrestle with these things how are we
supposed to get closure
if we don't openly talk about it and
bring it to the table man is just so
blessed to be able to be to be in a
community and have people who believe in
you have your back or willing to have a
dialogue and conversation with you even
though you may believe differently or
whatever the case is said look there are
depths there are levels to this we're
talking about the love of God Jesus the
love of Christ there's depth and in
levels to his love then you can search
it out there's realms wherever your
bliss I've been in realms while I'm
literally vibrating for days like my
whole body is trembling for days and I
just want to weep in tears because he's
so beautiful and I've seen his beauty
and it marked me for days
and in the cares of the world comes in
getting back into the swing of things
and jobs and relationships and
conversations you know but I do but I
don't I don't know if we're supposed to
live there but I do know that those are
levels that exist and we've been there
we've had beautiful encounter so we're
gonna have more and I think God for
every single one every single level even
though the ones that are uncomfortable
were not all of them aren't like that
those levels were there's places I've
been in some recently where I'm just in
I'm fighting off depression and there's
fear and there's what do we do next and
how do we maintain this and there's
questions that come up right but I Know
Who I am in Christ so I draw from that
wellspring of life even though we have
this question we need to be reminded we
got a family hey you're not the press
true so you don't don't do it
don't don't even let that stuff sink in
right but
if we didn't talk about it like we
weren't open about it then I think God
is honored in that I don't think I think
it's a dishonest - it's dishonest - and
it's disrespectful to act like we don't
believe something or act like we don't
feel a certain type of way because there
are depths of it
there's depths and levels of the
scripture there's like man there are
different levels to each scripture that
you read of these Bible stories and the
allegory and the meanings and then what
if they really existed and honoring the
people who came and and and then the
people who wrote it you know what I'm
saying there's just so and it just means
so so many it means so much different
things to you depending on where you are
in your life and consciousness whatever
level of consciousness you're walking in
how do you see God listen I know people
who take that same Bible and they're
racist and in their Bible if you look at
my Bible all the I have verses highlight
it and highlight are all throughout the
scriptures and it's usually about love
and peace and I will bless you and you
will overcome your enemies and you are
more than a conqueror and I've created
you to do beautiful things and these are
these inspirational things that God has
spoken to us through his word and
communicated to us and those are
highlighted in my Bible I know people in
their Bibles they have everything that
is according to race and slavery and all
of these weird cryptic judgment and I'm
gonna bring you into captivity and put
you in bond is it they they look for
those things their consciousness has
been seared with a hot iron and they're
only looking for those bad things and
guess what what we talk about it's in
the mind whatever you looking for you're
gonna find if you're looking for the God
who saves the God who pulls you out of
the muck and the mire or the God who
will deliver you out of the lion's den
the God who was with you in the midst of
the fire he's there but if you're
looking for this this other deity and
you create the God in your own image in
your own likeness man and I've seen it
and people are doing it they're
preaching there on every corner fred
phelps you know those people
God hates these people god only loves
these people this is God
that is God here o Israel the Lord is
one as a oneness in God he is in and
through all things there is nothing
exists that wasn't created through him
by him and for him and to bring him
glory at the end of the day whatever
realm and understanding you are in if
you're on the outer courts whether
you're going into the inner course or
whether you're in the Holy of Holies no
matter what level you are where you are
I appreciate that man but no there's
more and if the work is like sometimes
we get in these levels and we just we
were just reminiscent of the past man I
was help us I mean we've all said this
man like I wish I could just go back to
where like I didn't know anything I wish
I can go back when I was ignorant
you know ignorance is bliss I wish I can
go back where I didn't question I wish I
can go back or is just easy no you don't
you had character Falls still you had
things that you were struggling wit
still all of the the trials and
tribulations and things that have
stacked up against you in and
persecutions and in realms and
understanding and questions and
confusion that they all exist for a
reason to create something in you to
create character to create that to birth
in you that pearl of great price man you
can't buy that with money it takes time
takes repetition it takes going through
trials the loss of friends the loss of
families the loss of faith to still hang
on and still believe I'm telling you
it's it's given unto you a great reward
and for me I've always said that I think
the persecution and I think the reward
for all this stuff is its presence man
to be able to be in this level of
consciousness where all is bliss that's
our acts we have access to that we have
a birthright to go into sit in silence
and just beast peace be still and know
that He is God throughout it all it's
all worth it nothing's by chance
nothing's
by accident embrace it all and just sit
sit any man be thankful I know it's hard
to be thankful when you're when you're
going through it at least when you're
done with it look look back at it man
but when you're going through it I
believe that you can just still you know
ask God you know what are you trying to
show me why am I here
why is he's why these people doing this
to me what are you trying to do
and I believe the father will speak to
you I really do some science resembles
for synchronicities through people
through television through the still
small voice I mean there's many
different ways through dreams and
visions there's many different ways
where the voice of God speaks to us he's
so beautiful levels of consciousness man
that's what it's about to go through
have these experiences again the
meditations that we bring to the table
the music for sure is it creating an
awakening and introducing people to new
ideas and realms and terms and they're
seeking it out and they're having
life-changing experiences through
listening to music and I'm just glad
that I'm able to pay it forward because
I'm tapping to me they're artists out
there and bands and stuff they create
this atmosphere for me to see God in a
new light to see God in a deeper way to
know love in a deeper way that's what
it's about for me man so again and thank
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