The Spark � Igniting Your Best Life | Stephanie James
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gonna be talking about manifestation
we're gonna be talking about gratitude
creating the best life for yourself all
of those good things my guest today is
Stephanie James Stephanie welcome to the
true seeker podcast my friend how are
you I am well thank you so much for
having me you just released a book and
covering all of these topics and and
spirituality and manifestation and how
to reclaim the mind to kind of
live that best life that you want for
yourself and that it is within your
reach right absolutely that we all have
that divine spark within us and so it's
truly it's sometimes it's unearthing it
sometimes it's rediscovering that it's
never left us it's always there just
lying in wait and so that's that's part
of the hope of the book is getting back
in touch with with our inner spark
awesome so uh I guess for people who
don't really know who you are just kind
of give a quick intro of who you are and
what you bring to the table
you're a podcaster as well and I'm radio
host so you want to just kind of give a
brief bio and we'll just jump into some
conversation sure yeah so my joke is
that I'm a psychotherapist by day radio
show host by night but that's the truth
I've been in the mental health field for
30 years and I have a private practice
here in Fort Collins Colorado
and I'm a trauma specialist and I work
with anxiety and trauma and depressive
disorders and so and I have my own radio
show and podcast called the spark with
Stephanie James which is about igniting
your best life and that's been my
mission I really became aligned with my
purpose about 13 years ago where I
realized my purpose was to put as much
love and healing into the world as
possible
and so these are these have been amazing
mediums in which so yeah you've had some
really cool people on your podcast as
well bruce lipton I listened to that one
was an amazing interview thank you yeah
I mean talk about gifts that's been one
of the joys is the amazing people that
have continued to come on Larry Dossey
gosh I mean the list is so huge Larry
Dossey Jacob Lieberman Missa Hopkins so
many people that are our thought leaders
and changemakers that are really making
it happen and bringing that
consciousness and awareness into the
world yeah I want to talk a little bit
about that spark and and trauma moving
past all that stuff like
you know I think the psychotherapy I've
talked to a handful of psychotherapists
and it really melds and mixes with
spirituality or spiritual practice to
kind of get past those traumas and
understanding the way the mind works and
unlocking some of the dormant abilities
that we have within the mind is that
some of the stuff that you talked about
in the book absolutely I mean I and
through my own experience as well I
think the book also shares my experience
clients experience and a lot of these
presenters but it really is as we move
through our own wounds and go towards
healing we can become then the conduit I
think that we clear out then for spirit
for the divine to work through us so our
own healing actually becomes our
greatest gift to the world
where's that healing come from is it
from within is it from without is it a a
we have to have a higher powers at
Christianity we need to believe in
Christ or anything like that one thing I
will say that there's a beautiful
connection there for me it's like I
study the scriptures and have definitely
a bridge between Christianity and
spirituality and mysticism and things
like that and there's a verse in in the
book of John where it says that Jesus
was the light of the world who lights
every man that cutting that comes into
the world
so it's this spark or this light that we
all have within us and so that's a
connection there that I see how do we
how do we find healing because I've I've
talked to many people who are
practitioners they're spread out through
many religions many spiritual beliefs
there's a similarity there when it comes
to walking through some of this stuff
where's the healing come from though you
know I really appreciate you saying all
of that Derek I think the the healing
really is so I this is my own personal
belief I think it does lie within us but
it also is bigger than us
and so it is that peace I think we
regardless of religion I I do believe
that there is a higher power whether we
call it spirit or God some people call
it the universe but when we get aligned
with
what that is and I think part of the
healing does its twofold
it comes from going within I think doing
meditation mindfulness practice
realizing that we're not separate from
that spark that you're speaking of that
that divine spark really lives within us
and as we access it and I think there's
a part too in my own experience which
has been surrendering to that higher
power because I know for myself when I
try to just push my will and I try to
just say I want things to go my way and
I forget that connection to the divine
stuff gets messed up stuff doesn't go
well yeah and and so part of that
healing I think is surrendering to that
there there really is this bigger love
and this bigger consciousness that is
holding us yeah and so as we surrender
to that and allow that divine guidance
to come through us I'd love to think of
it as like our internal GPS when we
surrender to that things start aligning
yeah we are able to find that healing
and serendipitously things start showing
up to help support that healing yeah
that's beautiful it's crazy to think of
that it's like but there is a bit of a
like a dichotomy there because some
people will say okay I just I just give
it to God I just trust God and would
come whatever but it's like there's that
aspect to but there's this other aspect
of working with God working with the
Creator the spirit the universe whatever
and like like we have a say-so in the
matter of achieving like we don't just
like set it and forget it there's some
things that we're supposed to do we
supposed to get to the bottom and seek
healing and you know birth manifestation
understand the laws of the universe the
law of attraction universal laws and
things like that but once we understand
that we kind of turn the switch from
default to being present in the moment
and in finding out that we're already
great manifest errs already even if
we're living in this life for that
that's full of hurt trauma and and
defeat and things like that like we've
kind of manifest that some of those
things kind of by default because of
set and setting if you will but once you
become conscious of it you work with the
Creator to kind of build this this life
that you want for yourself those dreams
and visions that you've had since you
was a child right right and I love that
you say that because I do believe that
we are co-creators with God we are
co-creators and part of that though is
yes you've nailed it it's being in the
present moment
it is surrendering and exactly that I
start off almost every morning doing a
prosperity mindset where I am exactly
that I'm aligning with number one
gratitude absolutely being thankful for
all the many gifts whether they're small
sometimes I'm just thankful I start
every morning off by just saying dear
God I'm thankful for being alive this
day I'm thankful for my breath and
moving from like you said it's it's what
if what do I want to manifest today so
what I want to do is like you know what
part of what I say every day is there
God you know let me hear your voice
let me speak the words you would have me
say and do the things that you would
have me do and also looking at what do I
want to create how can I serve today I
want to ask myself those high-quality
essential questions so I am aligning my
mind aligning my spirit yeah and I am
bringing those than gifts through my day
so it's interesting because you have
these ideas that you want to create and
and that you want to communicate to
people and we set the the day with an
intention and focus and I want to
manifest this I want to do this good
podcast I want to encourage people but
still be open for synchronicities for
new signs like like you said cuz we
already already got this path that we
know how it's gonna go but be open to
the new experiences that kind of keep
the all and wonder of life just kind of
flowing and all the synchronicities that
kind of doors begin to open that you
don't have to force open when before you
had to force them open and then the
universe kind of works with you if you
will once you're in that divine flow
right exactly I mean when we're living
by heart and we are open to that I
really do believe that is when all the
synchronicities show up and they do
guide
way so it I love that you're saying it's
like and I love it what one of the
things that I affirm every day is thank
you for the miracles that show up this
day because they do and when we look
towards the day with a mind and a heart
of wonder it is amazing what shows up
for us now what about this is the
interesting thing
timing when it comes to manifestation
like sometimes it's almost instantly
like there's times where I'll like just
kind of be in my prayer closet with God
and I'll say like I'll just kind of ah
I'll ask the Father and then I'll start
declaring them as they're already
happening because they're I don't
believe in space and time so I'm like
thank you for this opportunity thank you
for you know there was a situation where
I was I was wanting to do some more
concerts and I kind of sought the father
on and I began to kind of speak it into
my life and then within an hour I got an
email hey we'd love for you to open up
for this major recording artist and I'm
like wow now there's some things like
the people knew who I was and I was a
good fit for the position I could move
tickets and there's some things that are
coming in but it's like once we put it
out there we kind of set it and forget
it but there's a timing thing maybe
sometimes it takes months sometimes it
takes years but I find that like when
we're trying to learn the lessons no
matter where we are what situation
learning the lessons and then just just
putting it out there some in and healing
from like understanding the traumas and
moving past them because they're almost
like blockages when it comes to walking
in your divine destiny or that vision of
that you have for yourself in the future
it's already there but it's there
sometimes there's time a month six
months but sometimes it's a day where
this these things kind of happened what
did you experience with dealing with
time and manifestation I love this this
is one of my favorite things to talk
about because I have had that exact
thing happened Derek in my life where
sometimes it is instantaneous of almost
I guess it's two years ago this October
I was in my office
and I was sitting there thinking about
I wish that I could get back into radio
I didn't have my radio show podcast at
the time and I had done a couple guest
spots for this gal in Greeley on her
radio show and I was just the local
expert talking about postpartum
depression anxiety disorders those kind
of things and so I was sitting there and
I was like God please you know help me
know the way I just I see myself doing
this how do I get back into radio and
literally three minutes later I hear a
knock on my door and in walks who was
now my producer Chris Lamphere and he
sits down he said hey I was just
wondering he worked for a local radio
station here at the time and said would
you be interested you know in having
your own radio show and he said I just
about came out of the chair cuz I was
just like oh my can you know that was
exactly what I had just been you know
bragging about and putting out there so
that instantly manifested into this
wonderful thing and I do believe that
there is divine timing and that you know
like Einstein his theory of relativity
so we know that time actually bends in
on itself it's not linear we experience
it that way
but that right now I mean we're existing
in the past right now in the present and
in the future so these things are
already manifest you know they're
already there and so it's if we can tap
into that knowingness and know it's
gonna happen on its own divine timing we
want to be in alignment with it so that
we can really experience it and part of
that is like you said allowing yourself
to heal doing the work that we need to
do yeah whether it's through EMDR it's
not always going through a therapist
sometimes it is just you know an
internal healing that happens I think
through meditation and prayer yeah that
kind of stuff can happen there's lots of
mediums to help it yeah
but again as we become clearer conduits
I think we see and we can channel that
energy and then we see it manifesting
but it is my experience has been it's on
its own divine timing how powerful is
intention though like because you can do
all right you do all the right things
but even for the wrong reasons and it
doesn't really work out for you in the
end right right well yeah so when you're
saying the power
tenshun you're saying that even if I it
like this is my will I want this to
happen I didn't I think if it's not in
alignment it's not gonna happen
yeah right so but I do think we have to
be clear about what it is we do want to
manifest in the world to that's part of
that daily as I talked about the
prosperity mindset it literally is
saying you're using positive present
tense languaging to say I am that
already yeah you know I am thankful for
my speaking career I am thankful for the
popularity of my book I am thankful for
these amazing people who keep coming
into my life the daily miracles that
show up I think that through putting
that out it's the law of attraction like
you said and in quantum physics
it's the boomerang effect so what we put
out we get back yeah for sure some
people call it karma right yeah but when
we put out the intention of thought then
that is what we are bringing back to us
yeah it's so so awesome like how
important do you think finding that that
that inner healing is because I talk
about like I and I just use my own life
as an example like if I was to be given
a platform and had reached as many
people as I do with my podcasts and
things like that when I was still
dealing with my own inner terms in
turmoil or rejection issues like I got
upset when people spoke out against me
or didn't agree with me or whatever and
it would trigger me right and you know I
would respond to that and in certain
situations but I'm glad that I was able
to get the healing and kind of work
through that stuff and kind of see some
of the triggers which kind of show us
that we have open wounds in certain
areas that like if someone was to want
to like start a ministry start a
business and stuff in their dealing with
all of this this own inner inner healing
that that needs to happen how important
is it before stepping into that stuff
because I feel like I feel like
self-sabotage kind of follows that stuff
for a lot of people they'll build
something and then they'll tear it down
because of a trigger
because someone spoke out against them
and then they'll abort the whole mission
or process or only on the opposite
spectrum they'll work harder because
people don't believe in them and they
won't abort something that they should
because people will look at them as a
failure oh I told you this wasn't gonna
work out knowing that they should back
out so I think that like going into
whatever vocation it is that you want to
do like getting healing first is it
something that needs to happen would you
agree with that well I think I I agree
with that and then I want to take it one
step further because I do think I mean I
think we have to all be on that mission
to really focus on our own healing so
that you're exactly right so our
triggers don't sabotage us and the
well-being and gifts that we can bring
through to the world and also I think
it's really important to note that
healing is a continual process our whole
lives yeah you know I have clients that
say to me well when do we arrive you
know and the truth is we never arrive
right we continue to have to work
through whatever whatever does become
you know up in our awareness and I think
that's one of the beautiful things about
healing though that I have experienced
in my life is that as we continue to
heal we it's almost like you go through
a purification process and so the things
that you know we all look pretty good
when we're by ourselves and then it
seems like we get in relationship are we
getting something and then all those
things that are unhealed yeah I always
say love brings up anything unlike
itself for the purpose of being healed
so that means all that you know the
things we call our shadow side are the
parts of us that don't feel good but
those are coming up so we can look at
them and so we can heal them and I do
think that it's essential that we don't
get down on ourselves either and that we
literally say this is this is part of
the process I don't have to be perfect I
I what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna be
continually growing I am in the practice
of healing grace have you seen a like a
rise in this field like is this becoming
more popular I feel like there's so much
more people who are like they're wanting
to do the inner work
like they're listening to podcast like
this they're listening to motivational
speakers and retraining the mind and
moving past the hurt and things like
that and they're seeing how sexy it is
to kind of do that inner work and it's
becoming popular now have you seen that
within your own practice that this is
something that a lot more people are
looking into now absolutely you know I
think that too one at one of our gifts
right now is that there's been this
beautiful merging in the last 15 years
between psychology spirituality and
science yeah and so as those began to
merge and continued to merge they
validate one another and so what that
does is bring together these larger
audiences that are gonna be more open to
it because it's no longer just woo woo
you know spiritual healing or being in
touch with a divine or some of these
things that at one point would it become
what have been called just like new-age
like getting a download is a lot of
times but I what I call it when we're
meditating and it's like we hear this
inner voice of God
that's our spirit or the universe
directing us yeah you know I think so as
people start realizing like as you
mentioned Bruce Lipton talking a lot
about so many of these principles and
how we can manifest things in our lives
you know he's a stem cell biologist so
as we get this kind of validation from
these different principles you know
these different practices I think it is
its opening it up to the masses and I
think that we are in a time of huge
rising consciousness and awareness to
counterbalance some of I think the
heightened well I don't want to get
political here by just kind of hiding
things that've come into our awareness
through whether it was the me to
movement or black lives matter or the
things that have come up since Trump has
come into the office how trafficking is
a big thing now and absolutely
absolutely it's like I think it's things
that's always been there though right
this isn't nothing new but now we're
able to see it more and it's it's
speaking louder you know gay rights and
things like that
it's speaking louder it's not it's kind
of rising to the top now something that
needed to be almost like a wound that's
kind of infected like you got to deal
with it you have to you not like that
like the body of people are gonna be
sick if you don't deal with this wound
you know yeah I love that I love that
analogy because that's true
so a lot of times in order to get to the
healing we've got to rip off that scab
and clean it out right the triggers man
the triggers are so awesome though
because like I find myself when I get
triggered in it a lot of it happens
through like social media somebody will
post something and I'll get upset or you
know you there's just a lot of things as
I hold on why am I getting upset hold on
I shouldn't be upset over this you know
and by getting to the bottom of it to
like again like champion healing and
wanted wanting to be that spiritual
individual wanting to be that conduit
for positivity and change and it's not
just me there's a lot of people in this
and so the triggers when somebody says
something and it hurts I know you know
the god thing is a huge one for a lot of
my guests on here I'll talk to people
and the moment I mentioned in the Bible
or God they get sour for hey see you
know it's at home why are you saying god
it's like oh you know so uh you know
that's one of the interesting things
when it comes to triggers and like but I
like to follow him because again I think
it's an open wound that someone's poking
and out it it hurts I'm triggered they´d
hurts when you touch it and so I think
it's a beautiful place and trying to
seek out healing is going towards the
triggers yes you know and what you're
reminding me of is this beautiful
there's this beautiful practice who Tara
Brock who has written tons of books and
brought really the they called it
Buddhist psychology into fashion which
really was this practice of going within
and she has this lovely acronym called
'rain which is how to investigate
exactly what you're talking about when
those triggers happen and really quickly
obviously I think it's really important
because it really it's one of the things
that helps me as well when those
triggers happen it's not to move away
from them we have this natural aversion
to pain
you know we want to move away from it
and if we can gently instead invite it
in there's so much wisdom in it and so
the are in rain is recognized the first
thing is to recognize it's even
happening right to even be like oh I'm
triggered like this is something going
on within me right right and then the a
this is the hard one for people the a is
allow so to allow yourself to feel it to
know where it is in your body to feel
that uncomfortable feeling for a moment
the eye is investigate so that doesn't
mean analyze the a isn't for analyze the
eye is to investigate with a gentle
presence what is this what's what's
being triggered right now can I bring
love and compassion to myself to just
hold whatever this is right now and
recognize where's the root of this and
then to just be with it that the N and
rain is natural presence so it's
actually breathing into the moment just
being with what is and what's
interesting is as we pay attention to
what the trigger is it does this the
intensity it's it's we actually then
it's like we've been friend our emotions
we befriend what's going on inside of us
and then there's wisdom to be gained
from it with with the healing though
like how do we achieve the healing again
like you you know it's not something
that is within I believe that the divine
spark is within but I also believe that
going within is like a portal to the
throne room of God if you will like kind
of the universe right you through
meditation we're able to access all of
these different realms of the psyche and
of the mind and kind of you know
reconnect neural pathways and things
like that but um what like what is it
like if you was to do a session with
someone is it like is that regression is
it kind of making peace with the younger
version of themselves or making peace
with you know the the person that caused
that grief in your life how was it done
because there's a lot of different
people who do it a lot of different ways
and a lot of them seem to be effective
and many times it's going back in
relivin but kind of speaking to that
part like accessing that part in your
brain or in your memory changing your
relationship with it speaking love I
mean there's different ways that people
go about it what would you say is is the
place where we find healing for these
past memories and mistakes and failures
and things like that that's such a great
question I think that there are like you
said there's many many portals to
healing I think when like when someone's
in my office always the the portal in
the present moment is whatever's up for
you and so whatever is presenting itself
like we said you know it's whatever is
being brought up right now if it's the
trigger if it's the pain if it's a past
memory what what I find is when we can
bring love and compassion to ourselves
in the present moment from whatever's
coming up that starts the healing
because usually we're so critical of
ourselves and we're so ticks that were
even having this experience or this
trigger so oftentimes I think it starts
with like I said I mean befriending what
our experience is in the moment now
because I do EMDR and EMDR is eye
movement desensitization and
reprocessing it's it's a way that people
are able to access past traumatic
memories and what happens through this
reprocessing is that it separates the
memory from someone's physiological
experience of it so it changes how it's
held in the brain how the trauma is held
in the brain so again I mean that's one
way to heal from really deep pain and
trauma you know Derek I don't think
there's one size that fits all and
healing yeah
you know I think everybody's got to find
what way works for them there are some
things though that I do believe that our
templates if you will to healing and
maybe that's your question yeah yeah
yeah yeah yeah there's many modalities
and I think that they're all beautiful
now what about
being intentional right say say like you
know somebody who is looking for healing
versus the person who just kind of
happens to find it on the road right
they're kind of on this road and they in
their life and everything's going good
and then they sit in on a breath work
session or they let me just give this a
try and they're like wow wow this was
bringing up some some stuff I know that
I need to deal with now versus the
person who is seeking it now and I say
that because there's two different
realms there is a person who's looking
forward and the person who's just like
let me see what you got maybe or does
this really work is there it I know it's
dealing with intention do you do you
find a different stare because like the
universe is set up in such a way that
you find what you're looking for now if
you want to be if you want inner healing
it doesn't matter who does it you know
what I'm saying
whoever's facilitating it whatever
practice it is you're gonna find what
you're looking for versus the people who
are just like you know that there will
maybe recommend it to you from a family
member say hey try this out and they're
kind of skeptical is there a difference
in those in those sessions absolutely
absolutely you know I do think it's it's
true that you know when the pupil is
ready the teacher appears so when
someone truly is ready and they're like
I'm on my healing journey unconscious
I'm aware I want to be intentional those
people tend to move much more quickly
when I you know I do couples therapy as
well and you know we joke about there's
a dragger and a draggy
and so usually the person that's that's
you know being drug into therapy it's
just like a a sometimes we have to get
to that pain point yeah before we're
ready to do the work before we're ready
to heal because I imagine as you know as
well from your own life experience the
healing also involves some pain we have
to look at some of those painful places
within us and really go and access those
points so I think that when when we're
being forced someone saying you need to
heal I don't care how many times people
are shoved into treatment it doesn't
mean that they get better yeah that's
true I had a guy on here one time
he'd been to like I think it was 16
different rehab centers and on the 16th
one it clicks you know people had to
want it for himself he didn't want it he
had to go there to get out of jail or
beat charges or whatever the case is but
on the 16s one like something clicked
and he finally got his stuff together
you know it kind of went through the
process and um it's very very
interesting especially when like we're
talking about like AAA or something like
that I remember just being in the church
realm and stuff like they would kind of
like make fun of that and say well they
they'd say it takes 12 steps and here in
the church we say it just takes one step
come to Jesus is the only thing you need
or whatever and we used to kind of
repeat that and people would be upset
when their kids would try to go get
treatment through AAA and the parents
who were religious kind of discouraged
them oh you don't need that son you need
Jesus and I hey it's it's helping it's
working like it's helping me you needed
Jesus I need a a right so to be able to
look at when it comes to healing whether
it's religion I think there's a lot of
healing that comes through religion and
worship and community and things like
that there's a lot of ways to find
healing but to be able to approach a
system like AAA now and seeing the good
that is doing for people and looking at
the 12 steps of like if you're a
Christian you get in the church and
religion you don't go through similar
steps because they're all like biblical
oriented almost forgiveness jesus said
you need to forgive those who have
wronged you or you won't be forgiven
yourself and all of this stuff and you
kind of see how like it all mirrors one
another in this this place of I need a
higher power
I need something greater than myself to
to help get me through this in like and
seeing the beauty in whatever modality
it comes in right exactly you know I
used to be someone who also I have to
admit I was like yeah I don't know if
AAA works I'd never had to deal with it
and I've seen the journey of the last
two years that my adult daughter has
been on through alcohol and addiction
and AAA is what helped
save her life and to see her thriving
and to see the miracle that she is today
that's it and that's how she discovered
her higher power that is how she was
able to find forgiveness for the people
that had wronged her and forgiveness for
herself and to be in touch with a divine
and now like sharing that and that
becomes her spark now that she shares
with the world I think I think the same
rules apply though because you have to
want it you know going through the
motions it's like I'm here cuz I mean
that and so we'll say this so with AAA
you have a lot of people in that program
who have to be there you know they don't
that they're there because they're gonna
get a sentence cut or they're gonna
escape jail time or whatever I've worked
with some but it's the ones who if you
really work it again going back to what
I said a while ago if you're looking for
healing it will come to you no matter
what Avenue you're looking for it in so
if you're wanting to work that and you
want it to work it's going to work for
you if you're there because you have to
be the same like Church those people
just they're in church they don't want
to be there it's not gonna work I'm
sorry maybe the more you hear it and the
more you kind of open up to it
repetition reduces resistance you know
you begin to let your guard down and
then it kind of gets in the same way AAA
but it's something that you have to want
right you can't be forced into it it's a
your own inner work that is your own
responsibility at the end of the day
well and I'm curious for you Derek what
what have you found when people are
really resistant to healing what what
helps to guide people towards healing
yeah so I would say this this has just
been some summer so when when people
want healing again like I don't I'm just
a conduit you know I kind of help them
go through the motions what worked for
me finding that that healing and I just
kind of assist there the strange ones
are when someone else is like hey my
husband needs healing I want you to do
what you do to him and he's like hey
Here I am in a psyche okay so I try to
connect with them just get them to open
up maybe they'll talk about things with
me that they won't talk about with
anyone else and so that just opens up I
mean when it comes to healing there's so
many facets again
scripture says that if we confess our
sins one to another that God is faithful
and just to forgive us so just even
speaking those things out with a
counselor someone who is is gonna listen
to you that's healing in and of itself
so if I'm able to talk to this guy who
really doesn't want to be there but now
he's opening up to me and he's not gonna
open up to his wife he's not gonna open
up to coworkers some of this deep stuff
even that by itself so I look at every
aspect and just kind of lead them in a
meditation and stuff like that and say
you know where it's lighter because
breathing exercises long we got this
hour for you to kind of let me have you
for an hour you know you're gonna feel
better you're gonna feel lighter you're
gonna feel refreshed your burdens are
gonna be lifted even if you don't want
to serve you if I can have you for an
hour and you just listen and you know
you're gonna find it so for me that's
what's been something as far as like
people who are like they're there
because they have to be verses the
people who want to be the people who
want to be again and I I think I think
money is as a symbol of faith and
something that they want to do but when
people like book private sessions with
Reiki healers and and and got people who
lead guided meditations and hitting the
therapists and stuff like I think the
money symbolizes hey I want this I need
it and again the universe responds to
you find whatever you're looking for if
they want it it's there so you just have
to be faithful with the you know with
the process and help them because they
want it and if they want it they'll find
it no matter who it is it just happens
to be you you know well and there is I
think some some magic and some alchemy
that happen when we are that conduit for
people like you're saying even if
they're not even aware maybe there's a
deeper part of themselves that they're
not even consciously aware of that is
moving towards healing because I do
believe that we are like you know the
trees in nature if a tree loses a limb
it forms you know a SAP around it it
forms a scab and so I do think nature is
always going towards healing and so are
we internally so how how amazing it is
to be that person that can do what I
call open-hearted list
when we could be that conduit for
someone else who isn't even quite aware
that they need the healing or they're
ready for it and to listen with that
open heart then we do become exactly
that we can become that conduit it
allows that healing to come through and
to touch that other person's life just
by being able to be the listening ears
for what do they need to speak yeah you
know the Bible says that God is not a
respecter of persons like these if it
works for one it will work for more
that's like you know when you go to you
know someone says if you get upset if
you get angry just take take a moment
take a deep breath like there's science
and taking that deep breath in and just
kind of being conscious and aware not to
act off of emotions but act off of what
you know is right deep down so taking
that second to take that that deep
breath really is helpful so when we lead
someone through breath work or through
meditation where they're doing these
exercises it's gonna work regardless now
you may be new to you you may be
skeptical but how you feel when it's
over like the proof is in the pudding
it's all about the fruit and if it's
working and there's so much that works
again breath workers it's huge now you
know the wim HOF method and people kind
of have and their own derivatives of
that and incorporating it into
meditation like even doing breath work
before meditation amplifies it so much
and the breath is linked to your
intention and thought and all of that
kind of stuff and it just creates this
beautiful for me spiritual experience
but I think that what you're talking
about and what I'm talking about
together is really the science of the
spirituality it's like the science
behind it because it works it's not you
know it's it's not if but when yeah and
I and I have to say when you bring up
wim HOF I had a really cool opportunity
two years ago I got to see him at a Tony
Robbins event in New York City and that
breathwork is so essential so if people
don't know about the Iceman I would
absolutely recommend checking him out
because this is a guy who carves huge
holes in the ice and go
300 yards you know under the ice and he
done he's able to do that and control
his entire physiology through breath and
so after going to that event and
learning and how to do that kind of
breath work where you really are
altering your physiology and you're
switching from that primitive brain
which is a fighter flight into this
relaxed state oh my gosh I had the
coolest I just have to share experience
of getting to test that out right after
I learned it and we were flying out of
New Jersey and hit this horrible
rainstorm where it was throwing the
plane back and forth as we were taking
off and I was sitting beside a gentleman
actually who was on a connecting flight
from Egypt and he was an MMA fighter and
at one point we look over at each other
after about 15 minutes of this horrible
you know back and forth and we're both
gripping the seat in front of us like
for dear life we were both scared and at
that moment is when I remembered oh my
gosh I'm gonna do wim Hof's breath work
right in the middle of things being so
stressful I could feel my
fight-or-flight just the anxiety rising
my heartbeat was rising I was warm I was
shaky I did those 40 breaths and what
was amazing to me is the plane was still
doing the same thing it was still
jogging back and forth like that but I
had this incredible peace and calm about
me so I guess I want to share that just
because I think it's it's really
important that we can alter our state of
being and we can come to a place of
peace which ultimately then adds to our
healing yeah when we're able to realize
we do have an access point always in the
present moment and it's in this within
again going back to that like you know
the world has this way of selling us and
making us want things that that are
outside of ourselves and become
something that we're not already but
again it's knowing that you already are
that thing that you wish to become you
already are you just have to manifest it
and maybe it's down here you just got to
kind of get it out right and we're not
I understood that going back to what you
said earlier it's like it's really when
breakthrough really happen just to
understand that I'm not going to become
a healer one day I was able to kind of
look over my life and see that I already
am it comes out through my music it
comes out to my podcast it comes out
through prayer meetings it comes out
through counseling like comes out
through so much so to think that I'm
going to become something that I already
am it's just gonna have me perpetually
chasing something that I'm never gonna
get to it's almost like a carrot that's
being held in front of your face and
you're just chasing it but you never are
able to grab it but you already are and
to manifest those things and those
desires that are already within you for
a reason like those thoughts and dreams
are within you for a reason and know
that it comes from within and you
already are for me it changed everything
I didn't have to become somebody I just
had to learn how to manifest it and work
through some things that work that was
blocking me from receiving and in but
but I think even so it was for good
reason because if I would have had that
stuff that I was searching for trying to
create back then I probably would have
heard a lot of people ran a lot more
people off being irresponsible with a
platform things like that but I knew
that I had to get through some of these
triggers and work through my own stuff
relationally even to to be able to I had
to put down some of the things that were
that was in my hand whether it was
baggage or trauma in order to pick up
some some more things that God had for
me as well that's beautiful I loved it
and that that's exactly it
again as we do our own healing and I do
think there's divine timing yeah we
can't push it either I think we can be
intentional about it but we can't push
it and that we already are it that is
the essential message as well we are
already all that we want to be so it is
opening it up opening ourselves up
becoming the conduit and continuing to
do whatever healing we need to do to get
rid of those pieces that are going to
get in the way or that keep us from
actualize in who we already are and
manifesting that in the world there's a
beautiful song by Trevor Hall I listened
to him a lot but it's a song called you
can
rush your healing and it just talks
about how darkness has its way of
teaching us there's things that we learn
in the valley that we can't learn on the
mountaintop and there's there's things
that grow there's fruits in and flowers
and beautiful things that kind of grow
down there that on the top of the
mountain that doesn't grow so this this
roller coaster ride of emotions and in
this journey of life it's supposed to be
a journey if you just on this desert
land sometimes you got to go through the
desert you go through the wilderness and
think listen it happens but it's a
roller coaster ride of working through
that stuff and and and understanding the
beauty and that's really what my book
talks about the beauty in the darkness
and how it's set up for a reason that
you know the Bible says that the things
that the enemy meant for your good God
will in turn I mean it meant for your
harm God will in turn use it for your
good so these darkness and these trials
and the tribulations that are coming
against you can be used as stepping
stones towards your destiny they like
it's not that they can be but that's why
they were sent to you to conquer them to
learn the lessons and help those other
people who are going through similar
stuff it really helps with empathy
really because it's not like you have to
try to empathize you have a natural
empathy because you went through similar
situations as well whether it was I got
a friend of mine now the whole AAA thing
he went through the process and it's
still going through it it's a continual
thing but now he's teaching the classes
and he's helping other people come to
find and embrace their own healing it's
not that he has to it's that there's a
passion within him now that was
transferred from going through that
stuff and overcoming and usually they
say in the church you know like a lot of
different places you come from whether
what is the club scene or drug addiction
or whatever it is God kind of cleans you
up and sends you right back to the same
place which you came from to go out
there and bring the you know set the
captives free if you will well I believe
that I believe that the places where we
are broken quote-unquote broken it's
really where our beauty lies and where
our largest gifts lie and it is through
I mean it is those times where we were
brought to our knees that I can speak
you know through my own life to that
that opened me up to where I could be
more loving more empathetic I could be
more compassionate I could bring a sense
of mercy to those around me because I'm
seeing it through different eyes and so
they really are yeah they really are our
greatest gifts and I just received this
beautiful poem from a friend of mine
George Kappa Nelly and it was all about
what really is gratitude for him and he
said you know it celebrating his 77th
Thanksgiving what what he realized is to
have gratitude for it all for the entire
journey not just the things that we say
are our blessings and that you know we
have this beautiful home or we have all
these wonderful things but thankful for
the times where we felt broken thankful
for the times where we felt like I can
barely make it I need something bigger
than myself to make it through yeah and
to be grateful for every hardship
because there is healing and wisdom
within it so we do have to go sometimes
through those dark times
there's gifts there's something to be
said for the individual who comes from a
background of having a silver spoon and
kind of having their parents really kind
of like lording over them and protecting
them and everything versus someone who's
had a lifestyle where they've had to
struggle or they come from poverty or
come from nothing there's a different
that there's different character traits
that are developed in some of the most
interesting people I mean anyone who's
doing the healing work the majority of
the people like hands down across the
board that I interview have been people
again we talk about the natural empathy
they've went through some crazy
situations they haven't just had you
know everything handed to them and like
there's a natural empathy to do this all
the psychics and healers and they're
like kind of helping work to offset the
negativity that Dave experienced in the
world or the negativity that they've
caused in the world and even if it's
deep down I don't know if it's a debt
to society maybe it is deep down maybe
they just want to offset the negativity
and all the evil and things that are in
the world but people who are going
through stuff these situations and
trials and stuff like that it really
does impart character to you as well
absolutely I truly believe with all my
heart that there's no way I could do the
work that I do and I you know I my job
is literally to sit with people in pain
all day long and and I really feel like
what a gift you know that that I have to
be able to hold that space and the only
reason I believe that that it I can do
that is that you know I have been
through the most difficult things in my
life um you know and I I was so
privileged that the first 13 years of my
life to have such a lovely childhood and
then in an instant literally in one
night having that all explode when it
came out that my dad was having an
affair with my best friend's mom and my
perfect little family all sudden was
just destroyed and so much drama that
happened after that you know for the
next probably 10 years of my life was
really hard and and there were times
where you know I didn't want to be here
anymore because the pain was just more
than I could bear and being you know
dealing with then a father who had been
totally devoted and and totally
connected with me it's all sudden him
not being allowed to speak to me or
spend time with me and the deep scar
that left within me that I carried
around that sadness for a really long
time and so it's only through doing my
own work yeah and continually looking at
the places that that pain has
unfortunately sometimes the pain
manifests in ways right and being
willing to go in and do that work and
realize that all the strength all the
beauty all the wisdom that I was seeking
was not outside of myself yeah like you
said earlier it was already inside of
myself I just had to excavate it and get
past the pain of the
those childhood moments to access then
what are the gifts what what is the
beauty then that I can discover within
me that really is God inspired which
really is that spark and so it is
through those hard times you know one of
the things that that I haven't mentioned
is I just got done putting on a summit
here in Fort Collins where I had eleven
of the people that had been on my show
come to Fort Collins and the whole thing
was literally about how to ignite sparks
within each other and we filmed the
documentary with an award-winning film
crew all state of the art and that's
what it was we talked about it was
seeing these people who we look at we go
oh they're so evolved you know they have
all these books out there national and
international presenters they seem like
they have it all together but what the
film really is about is what's behind
that what were their pain points because
we all go through these difficulties and
those difficulties then become the match
point light us up and oftentimes become
the greatest gifts then that we have to
offer
so a lot of the film wasn't just these
amazing presentations that they gave on
October 26 of all this enlightened
you know and conscious awareness it was
individual interviews with them and this
roundtable discussion about what was it
that brought you to your knees what was
it that opened you up and changed your
consciousness and changed your awareness
and it powerful messages came through
because every single person in there has
been broken every single person in there
has been brought to their knees where
they felt like you know they couldn't go
on and those pain points became the
portals into consciousness awareness and
giving do you think this is something
that is for everybody like this
everybody kind of follow similar paths
just to some extent like holding that
trauma or is there anybody who's exempt
that there just been kind of been fed
with the silver spoon there I mean let's
look at not look at Trump you know he
you know he did have money but he was
you know he went through some stuff too
but maybe his kids right Trump's kids
right and seen
kind of people that they are maybe and
this is just an example but they're
dealing with stuff too right they have
these weird character flaws maybe having
the silver spoon does some some deeper
damage then then going through some deep
trauma maybe like there's some things
that you didn't get in the development
process because you weren't allowed to
go out there and play with the kids down
the road or whatever the case is you
know well it's true and that's that's
one of the things I have to say I talk
about all the time in therapy is that
nobody gets out of childhood unscathed
and nobody none of us get out of this
lifetime unscathed the wounding may be
different so maybe somebody wasn't in
poverty yeah but like in the case of
like Donald Trump you know how much of
an intentional father was he you know I
don't know yeah but I think there's
people that were born with the silver
spoons in their mouth and yet you know
those people have been my clients you
know I've had millionaire clients and
I've had people that were you know CEOs
and the tops of whatever their corporate
ladder were and yet the wounding is
still the same
I mean it's people that felt I was never
important my father never spent time
with me or my mother never spent time
with me no matter how successful this
person was I remember John Bradshaw who
brought all this inner child work I
think he was really popular maybe in the
70s or 80s you know his own daughter was
this hardcore alcoholic and you think
you know here are these people are that
are these great healers and yet their
children er are struggling so yeah I
think no one's exempt I think we all go
through this journey called life in the
school called life and it's gonna
present every single person with
challenges and heartache and ecstasy and
joy it's it's all this mixed bag right
and and really I guess that's the beauty
of it yeah and and we don't know from
the outside and I think that's an
important point to Derek is they you
know we never know what's going on
behind another person's eyes and so they
might look a certain way on the outside
you know there's a gentleman that I and
I absolutely love who's a mentally ill
guy who hangs out at our local coffee
shop he is the sweetest soul in the
world I talked to him and engage him
every single day that I see him
so he is no different than the guy who
owns the coffee shop who's a successful
entrepreneur you know it's we have to
realize that we all we're all in this
together you know that really we're
having a human experience I love the
thing but you know we're spiritual
beings having a human experience
that's it and so to have compassion for
one another and know that even though
someone might have all the riches in the
world I think probably Donald Trump's
for most wounded people in the world I
think you know I think narcissism and
and these different things it comes out
of a narcissistic wound where we're not
seen we don't feel loved we don't feel
valued and so I I do think that's
difficult and when you you know talk
about the Bible I think you know we're
called to love our enemies yeah we're
called to bring compassion to them so as
we I think can look behind each other's
eyes a little bit and drop into the
places where we are connected that's the
essential piece we've got to get to that
place where it's all love you know in
the end it's all love and it comes out
in all different kinds of ways and we
through this world manifest
unfortunately sometimes pain and parts
ourselves that aren't pretty that we
don't like to look at but when we can
look at each other with a heart of
compassion kindness empathy we can find
these connection points and that in and
of itself is tremendously healing that
we can actually help each other heal
through that process beautifully
beautifully said Stephanie James thanks
so much I really enjoyed this
conversation with you your new book is
called the spark igniting your best life
I know you talk about everything we
talked about today and more it gets a
lot deeper let people know where they
can go to pick up a copy of the new book
and check out your work it's um you can
get it on it's on amazon amazon books
and also you can go to the spark book
dotnet and get excerpts from the book
and we're gonna be putting up on that
website some daily inspiration so that's
gonna be a positive resource for folks
and come check us out too on the spark
pod com
oh yeah it's good stuff I've been
checking it out as well thank you so
much Stephanie really enjoyed our
conversation I'd love to do it again
just let me know when you got something
coming out we'll get on here to talk
about it I love it so much Thank You
Derek
all right many blessings my friends you
too oh boy
Stephanie James ladies and gentlemen you
can't rush your healing the darkness has
its teachings man again I think I
mentioned in this couple people in a
childhood like yeah I'm with it they're
talking about healing and wanting
healing from for certain certain
situations and things and people are
doing it like doing the inner work just
wanting to figure out what it is
and it's almost a fun thing now I say
it's fun it could be dark and scary as
well but once you kind of get used to it
you kind of know how the process works
you're like oh oh you know something
something's not sitting right what is it
is it me is it them reverse the roles
put the shoe on the other foot
what are you triggering in that person a
lot of times when people lash out at us
it's because we represent something that
they are not confident with or something
that they don't like about themselves
people ask that whether it's a form of
freedom you know you're more free and
you're more open you know who you are
and they're still struggling with
identity but then you know who you are
like that's intimidating to be around
somebody confident to be being around
somebody who is financially successful
somebody who is like in the flow and
you're trying to get out so you lash out
you may you may you know take shots at
them you may post obscure Facebook post
or whatever the case says but you find
you have to catch yourself hold on like
why am I doing this because we're doing
it to other people and other people are
doing it to us I believe that there's
people who are maybe even created in
this simulation this school who are
created to bring things out of us and
create it to to
deposit some things in us to help us get
to the bottom of this a gift man the
darkness and all of this stuff were
going through it's a gift like you're
not again it's about doing the inner
work because people all they see is the
finished product all they see is to you
right now they don't see what was going
on when you were 14 they don't see what
was going on within your heart when your
dad walked out on you for your best
friend's mom you know they wasn't there
20 years later 30 years later they're
there watching you on this interview and
and judging you off of that but they
don't know the inner work that you've
done you know I talk about this all the
time because it's you don't know what
what somebody's going through people are
fighting battles that you know not of
and and I believe in karma man as far as
you reap what you sow in this life I'm
not talking about what you did in a past
life that's that's beyond my expertise
but I'm talking about what you do in
this life that you're responsible for
people are fighting battles and you
people are in this these situations and
they they're trying to rebuke the devil
and thinking it's demons and outside
sources but you haven't even dealt with
no demons you're just dealing with the
Karma that that you've created for
yourself you're reaping what you sow be
not deceived that so ever whatsoever a
man soweth he will also reap so you're
like just still just dealing with the
repercussion of what this stuff you've
put out there you know when you're going
through that stuff and what you want
begin to do that you want cool friends
in your life who are encouraging who
support you guess what be a cool friend
to someone else encourage someone else
support someone else and I guarantee you
the way the universe works is that
things will align themselves to come
into your life you wouldn't be able to
hold back the blessings in your life
again people are already master
manifester z-- you're already good at it
but you just kind of manifest it by
default
you've manifested the friends in your
circle you've manifested your job you've
manifests at your spouse you've
manifested all this stuff just by the
fall
now what happens when you become
conscious of that manifestation process
that the power of your thoughts the
power of the divine mind of the power of
your words the power of man your image
what you put out there you know what I'm
saying like being conscious of that and
say you know what
the person that I want to become it's
already in here but that person wouldn't
respond this way that person wouldn't do
this so let me not do it now let me do
that and be able to step into your gift
be able to step into your calling
whatever that may be again God is not a
respecter of persons and God is not a
man that he should lie like this is good
for everybody if it's good for me if a
word for me it's gonna work for you
whatever you're looking for you're gonna
find and so begin to look for the beauty
begin to look for the OO begin to look
for the Wonder in everything the
triggers man they exist for a reason
they really do they're good I want to do
a Q&A anybody in the chat has any
questions or you want to get my take on
my opinion on on anything I haven't done
one of these in a while so if anybody
has any questions in the chat I want to
get my opinion I will try to answer some
of those so just be go ahead and just
type it in Facebook and YouTube I'm
watching I know people are watching on
twitch and periscope and stuff too and
but uh yeah
twitch gets a lot of trolls I'm probably
about to stop streaming on Twitch or at
least stop showing the chat here won't
screen too many trolls but um anybody
has a question go ahead and put it out
there I want to say man and just
reiterate some of this stuff like I
people some people will only walk with
you so far some people are in your life
only because of what they can get what
you have to offer and if it lines up
with what they're doing and once once
you don't have anything else to offer
them they're done I know a lot of people
in the church realm a lot of people in a
church realm
what can you offer us you can sing we'll
put you in a choir you can play guitar
get on stage what I'm gonna pay you but
once you quit playing guitar you're just
another person you know the face in the
crowd they're getting the church realm
acts a lot like that as well any
religion or any club Church is
definitely one of them but I'll talk
about these scenes that people are in
whether you're in the drug scene you're
in the club scene I used to be in a
music hardcore scene heavy metal we did
concerts and shows and I had friends
that every show I went to we we hung out
with the same people I only knew him at
the show we may would exchange numbers
and talk a little bit here and there but
um but while I went to the show us I had
you out there you know the other show
yeah yeah we have this con you you're
kind of like you walk together based
upon your common interest what you have
in common and then once you don't have
that stuff in common no more it's over
like that work was they really a friends
or was they a friend can conducive to
what you had to offer what y'all had in
common like again whether it's alcohol
like going out drinking every weekend
and you have those friends who you drink
with or you smoke pot wit and you get up
in your smoke pot with them like that's
what all y'all do and if you don't have
anything else to offer them any more
drugs or alcohol or a good time whatever
it is if you don't if I don't play in a
band anymore and I don't go to shows I
don't really have much to offer you for
what you're looking for so people kind
of like like attracts like and we find
ourselves in these people groups I
believe that the true call of a light
worker is a call of to balance it's not
too much on the left it's not too much
on the right but it's this middle
passage that we must walk the Bible
calls it the narrow road the narrow path
the Old Testament calls it the highway
of holiness to be on this perfect pass
and there's people who are gonna walk
with you a little while they're gonna
jump off holla they're gonna jump off
because you have nothing else to offer
Jesus went through it right there's
people who came and they walked with him
for a certain time he gave them some
information that was a little bit too
deep they jumped ship they jumped they
left he's not as too crazy for us he
would hit him with this knowledge and
but for those who asked the deeper
questions those who wanted to get to the
bottom of what he was talking about they
were able to get the gems and walk even
further there's a middle passage it is a
is a it's a balance and it's hard it
really is because it's the way of the
lonely ones which Manley P Hall speaks
about now I believe that we have friends
I believe in community but you can't
please all the people all the time
without sacrificing or selling yourself
out or selling yourself short those
people in your community who accept you
for you and your differences I'll tell
you one thing God Jesus accepts you for
you so there's no you have to be this to
be loved that you have to do this to fit
in or you have to act like this to be
around us like a gang or a social club
or whatever that's not the
higher-powered there is no respecter of
persons but going through these scenes
with people and you're only good if you
believe what we believe or you're only
good until you know dealing with a lot
of the church people now I have a lot of
Christians in my circle now and it's
scary because I'm the minute that you
mentioned something that goes against
their belief they're done any religion
anybody who is just like really start on
their beliefs
you have to be like water Vanna says how
do you make peace with those people you
have to be like water you cannot take it
personal go back to what is it the what
is it the Four Agreements it's not
personal
the Bible says that you know our battle
is not with flesh and blood it's not
that person it's something that that
person is dealing with it's gossip it's
a wrong vision that they have of you a
part or persona that they're perceiving
that's not even true they've just but
they just believe it and it's not even
you but this the middle passage of the
Lightworker it is balanced it is lonely
at times again we we have community
nothing that's why we we long for that
we long for community we long for trial
but it's so hard because it's like if
you speak out against this or you're you
believe that then you're gone I mean
it's in the church again it's in the
spiritual communities but being an open
man and working through this stuff
together this is the most beautiful part
Kris garner says that's this is why I
say zeal can be dangerous having a zeal
without knowledge the Bible says it's
dangerous like having that zeal but
having knowledge like wind to speak like
I have knowledge about a lot of stuff a
lot of study so much and I'm not toot my
own horn
you guys are study well studied as well
but you can you can use that knowledge
for your own detriment
but finding asking God asking the
creator for wisdom on how to share your
knowledge is key I knew a guy one time
he uh he would just spew it out all the
neck he was smart but he would do it it
was his trigger like he would just lash
out on people it was almost like if he's
if he's seen a young baby he would just
tell the kid one day you're gonna die
this world is gonna rip you off and and
people are gonna cheat you and steal
from you and you're gonna have
disappointment like a kid just like why
would you do that like yeah most likely
that's gonna happen but why would you
like take that innocence and what why
don't you
I believe we're supposed to have wisdom
on how to share this knowledge and I've
messed myself up in the past and
throwing stuff out there or saying this
is the truth whether you like it or not
you know and you see other people coming
up kind of in those footsteps you know
but being at peace with all people
regardless of what they believe I think
there's so much beauty in finding our
differences and we're still able to walk
together there's so much beauty in that
and I feel like I feel like that's
Christ I feel like that's the body of
Christ is not glorified in our saying
the same thing being lemons but us
coming together with our differences and
saying look we exist for the greater
good any like powerful movements that
have ever happened was usually what
other groups of society coming together
joining forces you know the working to
get like even in the gang culture like
Nipsey Hussle in the things that he did
he brought the Bloods and the Crips
together you know there was always these
two sides coming together the whites and
the blacks coming together different
races coming together and it was power
in numbers and its power in unity but
there's something there about the
division said look I know we don't agree
on everything but let us walk together
in peace let this be our message and you
find like whether it's religious people
or whoever they kind of like be careful
of people just want to pick your brain
they're looking for things they disagree
with what do you feel about this man
what about this I had a guy used to talk
to man and uh every time I talk to this
dude I felt like he was recording me to
use later in some video I know it sounds
paranoid or whatever and I would tell
him I said I feel like you interviewing
me every time we talk like in a in an
interviewee way not in a friend a friend
way every time I thought this guy feel
like he was recording me and I asked him
I said bro are you recording me no no
why would you say that why would you
know you're just paranoid and it sounded
like an interrogation I people try to
get to the bottom of your belief I've
talked to Christians and they're like on
this weird stuff like do you believe
that Jesus was God or
the son of God do you believe that we
speak in tongues do you believe in this
and that and they're just okay and they
got a checklist okay he believes this
distance and he'll go with everything
until they find out what you don't agree
with oh you don't believe this huh
you don't believe that and then that's
like okay you're done they're like
that's their trigger like they're
looking for people who believe exactly
like them and in that guy that guy who I
felt like was recording me I don't I
don't think he was recording me but he
definitely took my differences and and
in things that I told him and shared
them with the world so he was recording
me in here and took and shared the
information with people and things too
to try to like ruin me or like tell
people what I really believed in who I
really am and stuff like that so you got
to be careful when people just like
going through and they want to like find
what they disagree and I was like that's
crazy
that's why I look for what about the
stuff we agree agree on what about it
like there's a lot but you just you
stuck on these couple little things look
if you don't want me to talk about this
around you I'm not trying to force it on
you I just have there's a reason I
believe this there's years of study
there's years of experience there's
knowledge that was imparted and there's
a reason then I believe this and if you
was to go if you was there with me you
would have you would have felt felt the
same way but you've not experienced that
and that's fine I understand it I
understand why you don't believe that
you ain't never seen it like crazy stuff
we talked about and stuff I talked about
in my book and we talked about aliens
and UFOs like why would I want you to
take my word for it if you've not
experienced something experience gnosis
is the best teacher knowledge gained
through experience you know something to
be true because you've experienced it
and no matter what someone tells you
it's not gonna change it because you
know firsthand and nobody can take that
away from you your experience the path
of the light worker again is the middle
passage and we're not alone
it feels like it many times some people
gonna walk seven months with you they're
gone
some people gonna walk three steps with
you they're gone most people gonna just
sit down look and they're not even gonna
join you on your journey there are
people who were gonna see it through
with you I believe there will be people
on that journey with you who will finish
it with you they're in it for the long
haul I had one guy good friend of mine
when I was going through this whole
awakening process coming out of religion
and stuff and like I would try to blow
his mind
on just to see what it was I can tell
him to like okay that was yeah that's
the straw that broke the camel's back I
would tell him stuff about the Bible and
stuff that I've studied and what I
believe and he might not agree with it
but he was there like he was a true
friend he still is to this day and I've
like really religious guy come you know
hard upbringing religious strict I'm a
talking no TV no nothing and I would
tell him stuff and be like okay this is
what's gonna get him when I tell him
this because he believed this is whole
life when I say this is what I really
believe okay I don't know we've talked
about this before Bubba but they still
there man as a friend who sticks closer
than a brother and we're supposed to be
that for other people there are people
who are on this journey with you who are
gone who are in it for the long haul
they're just there there's those other
people as soon as you disagree with
anything you become a threat to their
their leadership you become a threat to
their pockets their audience
I mean I've dealt with that you know I
begin to teach other things and they
would take it to their leader and it's a
hate Rasika said something about a alien
aliens or demons don't listen to him
you know and he'd do a public statement
about me or say that's weird why would
you do you could disagree all you want
why would you like lash out and do a
public state that's kind of that's very
weird actually you know so you deal with
people because you trigger them you
touch their pocketbooks they trigger the
path of the mystic the path of the
healer the path of the light worker is
the middle passage again when we look at
religion where's the truth is it
Christianity
is it Islam is a Hinduism a lot of
beautiful stuff for Hinduism y'all it's
some weird right down the middle it's
right it's um it's right down the middle
don't even in Christianity let's split
them up into denominations and factions
and let's make them fight against each
other let's make this Cutlass make a
rival factions and let's destroy this
thing from the inside out why do you
think there's a lot of people falling
away from religion right now because of
that it's a it's a little bit it's here
a little there a little it's at
everything to the pure all things are
pure but not everything is beneficial
unto you here a little there a little
looking at politics is it all right is
it all left the smart person as I look
you got some good stuff here you got
some good stuff there but you're way off
on that you're way off on that it's
somewhere right down the middle and and
why but the middle path passage is like
it's it's the road of the few many are
called but the chosen a few who can stay
on that path and walk in balance and
walk in love for both sides the Bible
says blessed are the peacemakers the
middle the middle paths are the
peacemakers who are trying to make peace
between the right and the left who are
trying to make peace between Islam and
Christianity who are trying to make
peace against white and black friend
afloat for a foe burden earning blood of
Crips blessed are the peacemakers as a
blessing in it for you
stay there there's so many reasons not
to there's so many reasons for you to
take a hard stand against this there's
so many reasons for you to take a hard
stand against that but you find out when
you do this even more people like
studying this whole YouTube thing and
audience and I've seen my numbers go up
and down and algorithms change and and
all of that kind of stuff um
there's a something they say that for a
successful youtuber of a successful
anybody preacher is being on the path of
a contrarian taking that hard stance
against somewhere else not being like
hey let's look and see the good in it
let's see the bad in it in all things in
all things that's my stance in all
things
there's good that's bad but the path of
the contrarian is to say that all of
this is evil all of this is good one
side or the other in those channels or
those preachers even they seem to
flourish even if they're weird stuff
even if they're like like there's some
weird preachers and crazy doctrines but
they're really starting on it this is
their message you know what you get and
we can build on it but for the person on
the middle passage the middle path it's
here a little there a little in the chat
here they're saying to thine own self be
true
know thyself Chris garner says drama
selves it does I mean it you know it
sells sells so much that people will
fake beef they will fake like rappers do
it right they act like they're against
another rapper they're at their act like
they're they have an art against people
and again I knew people who did it and
it was fake but it got views it got
cliques
I did a video you know a couple years
ago just jokingly I hired an actor it
was only like five ten bucks but he he
was like a preacher and it was a video
of him exposing me true seeker exposed
it was when I started getting into the
spiritual path and talking about you
know doing my music and stuff like that
and the title of the video was true
seeker exposed in that video got more
clicks then any of my stuff because
people wanted to see the drama they
wanted it but but then other people have
showed up to like my rescue oh man don't
listen to him true seeker man I know
what you're doing the right thing but
it's like those videos get more click
drama cells it's part of the clickbait
stuff and the path of the lightworkers
that is the middle path y'all it's not
right or left it's right down the middle
it's not this or that it's a little here
a little there a little so man that's
just been on my spirit a little bit
again like people you know like said
like people gonna walk with you so far
until they hear something I mean I think
that there's good things though like if
something's like if something's bad some
eyes doing wickedness yeah you need to
cut them off like if somebody's hurting
people yeah you need to cut them off but
if not you know the Bible says that one
of the fruits of the spirits the fruit
of the Spirit is long-suffering being
able to suffer a long ways with someone
regardless of what they believe
regardless of what you did you you don't
agree with you're able to walk with them
a long ways and you grow together you
learn from each other they bring out the
best in you there's a stain where like
religion is big on it or just social
media in general so many people like
ghosting I didn't even talk to you
they're just like unfriend you and you
just don't even know it or it's so weird
like people to be with you one day then
the next they're gone and you never hear
from them again it's crazy
religion is a big reason for that it's
because you believe that Jesus was was
the son of God and not God or you
believe that you know whatever it is you
know and you'll never hear from them and
you don't even know why I deal with it
all the time and all I can be do all I
can do is be open and honest about what
it is
you know and uh and help you guys get to
it because it does hurt it hurts for
sure but it's part of it hurts because
it's a trigger but understanding that
that middle passes look it comes with
the territory guys get ready it comes
with the territory
if you I think mostly y'all already
though you guys know what I'm talking I
think I'm preaching to the choir but
it's just exposing it vocalizing this
stuff gothic mystic says a very
religious mindset is to believe that
only your way your opinion is the truth
causes division and separation yep fine
penguins Martin says ghosting sucks yeah
it does
people don't like yeah I don't like it
people don't like tension and you know
controversy and they don't like
confrontation
so you rather just cut them off as hey
and tell your friends and tell you
people stay away from them I've been
I've been dealing with it since day one
I've always been like outside of the box
and I know many of you are too so I know
just being an honest what my story helps
you I mean that's all I've ever done
just to be honest and it helps why would
I hold something back like why would I
hold it back because I don't think
you're ready for it well you might not
be intensive hence the ghosting hence
the gossip hence the drama hint stuff
okay I came I came can't go no further
I mean you know you got to look at the
positive and negative of it like when it
comes to like the secrets and the
mysteries and things like that
you nest why the Illuminati and get a
bad rap because they hold these secrets
back to the initiated you have to be yet
to prove yourself and Eve you know
they're worse things that Jesus said
look
there's some things I want to share with
you that I can't right now because you
can't handle it but then again there's
other times where he was like look I'm
not gonna withhold anything from you
those who wanted to know he gave it to
him when they were ready they understood
it there was stuff that maybe like years
ago somebody told me and I was like it
was just so hard to swallow I I maybe
even thought it was demonic and imparted
and did the parting of ways myself I
said now I got stay away from that guy
he's crazy and then years come and
circumstances and situations and study
you know wow dude wasn't so crazy after
all he it was closer to the truth then
then I thought I mean and truth has this
way of working on our hearts but I
haven't done that I don't withhold
anything maybe I should I don't know
probably someone told me I shouldn't I
should meet I should have made two
different versions of the book spirit
realm I let it all out why would I why
would I hold it back if I think that it
can help you they say I thought I should
make a Christian version and a new-age
version I don't know if it's if they
wanted me to make two versions of the
same book and just take a couple things
out and say hey you get this one and you
get that one
I guess Christ divided know like I can't
trust me I cannot divide my work it has
to be together I've tried different
names and different here you get the
Christian version you get to not like it
is what it is truth is truth at the end
of the day whether you believe it or
agree with it or not you don't have to
believe it it's my truth so regardless
it's your truth regardless because you
believe it it becomes truth no matter
how right or wrong it is the universe
works in such a way that you find what
you're looking for you create it as you
believe it you receive it begin to
confess it you begin to manifest it
things and situations and friends and
people and ministry and jobs and lovers
and
you created it you manifested it to
yourself and you didn't even know it
you're in this simulation you're in this
world where I mean the things that you
look at are changing because they're the
way what you believe in what you've read
and what you've come to expect even out
of people or out of religious people or
church people or whatever the case is
like gothic says people can't handle the
deeper and more powerful stuff I believe
it's why children and kids are generally
not allowed or taught certain things
because they don't because they don't
have the restraint needed yeah I mean I
put it out there you know and and and
come whatever may like if it's for you
you'll get it off to trick you enough to
convince you on to beg you to listen you
know we're an hour and 33 minutes into
this episode the guest has been gone for
a good 30 minutes like there's something
there right I'm not like begging you to
stay there's something that you resonate
with you know you know in this honesty
it's got to be I would hope I mean that
numbers don't stay because of honesty
let's just get that straight numbers
stay because a lot of times you're
hearing what you want to hear and if
that be truths and if that be love and
that if that be understanding then uh
then it then we're good right but people
pay people to listen to tell them what
they want to hear every day and it's
there's you know I'm sending negativity
cells debating cells people begged me to
debate people on here to go in on them
do a UH do a part you need to check
Jordan Maxwell when he says this ba-bop
about you need to do that yeah and I'm
sure if I did I'm it would it would get
more views it would get more that's not
my calling man I've done it I've done it
in the past but moving forward is
definitely not the way to go not for me
I'll let you have that you get Jordan
Maxwell on your show and you debate him
you you saw the podcast ask him to come
on and you debate them flying penguin
says I do believe we sometimes have to
distance ourselves from abusive people
we don't have to slam them but we also
don't have to stay in fellowship with
folks that intent on doing harm for sure
yeah know that if people are doing harm
and theirs
it just depends though because even that
is like even that is up to your
interpretation you don't I'm saying what
harm is and I'm just thankful that we
have a lot of eclectic people here who
who are in it for the long haul you know
what I'm saying like a community not
just watching a podcast but literally
like doing life together you know what
I'm saying and being here and listening
to one another and fellowship in and
stuff like that because without it you
know people to be gone in a heartbeat
and there's people who are you know as
people who are listening to an episode
with uh with a psychic and they just see
that word psychic they're done I don't
believe in psychics psychics aren't of
God I'm not listening to it and I'm
unfriending you true seeker
you know I'm Sam but I find there's
beauty and and in there that were an
eclectic bunch and we all have something
else to offer something else to bring to
the table like to learn from one another
you know and try to go through some of
these comments here Ritchie says
honestly I agree you are legit sir love
you Ritchie you're awesome bro and it's
not just that you agree with me I got
beautiful people that I disagree with
and they disagree with me and we talk
about it we don't debate they still show
up for family gatherings they come over
and hang out we have a couple drinks we
talk about it we disagree it doesn't
matter like the Jewish the Jewish
tradition they would that's what they
did they
to debate but it wasn't like I'm gonna
cut your head off because when you're
threatening my pocketbook or your you
know what I'm saying like being able to
walk with people man lemmings you know
that's what the triggers come from
anyways when you find somebody who
reminds you of yourself they look just
like you and they talk like you and you
you know
let's see gothic mystic let's see let me
just read somebody's okay so Lee Lou
says uh no I disagree with some concepts
you don't always say what I like but I
listen because you confirm so much for
sure no that's the big thing like if you
could stay long enough you're it just
shows that you're open to other ideas
and you're not just looking for a
company of yes men like people just kind
of affirming what you already believe
and I mean there's those people too and
we have to be careful that we don't have
all those people in our corner right of
people just like yeah yeah you're doing
it keep doing what you're doing
Andrew the closer you get Andrew Mendoza
says the closer you get to God the more
you you are see through transparent keep
up the hard work being vulnerable to the
brothers strong at the same time yeah
man that's the big thing you know I'm
big on that is the fact that like we're
powerful we're spiritual beings we know
who we are but we're weak and we're
vulnerable and we're open and honest at
the same time I think that that's where
a lot of the power comes from is being
open and being broken and just being a
person right garner says then they turn
into rage clips
yeah no sense of doing with someone
doing that to someone especially someone
you respect yeah
Leeloo says i'm friend everybody nothing
personal yeah it's crazy tam who says I
am here not Christian but absolutely and
enjoy and learn for sure
yep
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throne-room meditation is great by the
way
for sure y'all check it out man
honesty that don't don't feel so alone
man on you know and this from this
middle walk it's it again I think it
feels alone you're not alone you are not
alone you may feel like you're alone you
just made you made in another perception
you need to may have another point of
view another standpoint and look at the
same situation look at your situation
through the eyes of others that may help
you walk with compassion how to do
others view you how am i coming off that
definitely is like this inward self
reflection thing that that we do but um
you're not alone that it's the middle
passage I believe it's for everybody I
don't think it's a lemming I don't think
it's repeating what other people are
saying I don't think it's believing it
just because of the masses believe you
know what I'm saying but it's about your
own uniqueness individuality being
yourself and bringing that to the table
and others seeing the beauty in that as
long as you are not being a pompous
prick as long as you're not a
know-it-all you know what I'm saying as
long as you're not hurting people taking
advantage of people you're not walking
in manipulation which there's a lot of
people doing that so you gotta be on
guard so you have to you know you have
to be careful so Xavier says I love all
y'all making this weather making this
cold weather work bearable for sure
brother
peace and love that Vanna says see I got
so much from this and so many other
podcasts but I don't entertain aliens
just not my thing but if I judge you on
that I would have missed so much for
sure ya haven't been a lot of alien
talks on here lately but I need to get
some more they're fun well I mean I
interviewed eat the eat lady from et so
that was big we talked about aliens but
not so much she didn't want to talk a
lot about aliens I just wanted to talk
to her about aliens she had something to
say right it was good but she want to
talk more about healing right
Deb says are you still doing Sunday
morning meditations no we're not doing
them right now not doing that right now
I'm gonna off especially coming to the
first city I'm going to offer some more
stuff we are doing retreats and stuff so
I'm hosting men's retreats and my wife
is hosting the women's side of it so
we're doing retreats that are coming up
here in the Mobile Alabama area excuse
me if you're interested in that but I do
want to I want to start doing some more
stuff whether it's our Wednesday night
prayer group or whatever I want to start
taking callers again so there's so much
more that I'm going to be kind of kind
of rolling out here and trying to find
out the final best way to do it again
like everyone who's supporting no matter
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stepping into anything big it's
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I'm gonna introduce some new stuff and I
really wanted I really want to lay out a
course and and really work with some
people like take some people under my
wing who are like just ready to manifest
this stuff and let me you know just
really do that do the work do the inner
work and and and move past the blockages
and I'm working on some stuff now move
past the block and just find that vision
of who you are what you want to
accomplish what you want to birth
Manifest find out the giant instead of
standing in a way chop their heads off
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Promised Land
for your life whatever it is if it's a
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embody that for their own lives so I'm
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but really want to help you embody this
stuff and manifest it for yourself men
for sure let's see so home sauce says
I'm here for the et contact only so the
only reason he's here is for the et
stuff right so we're an eclectic bunch
man we're an eclectic bunch Padawan says
I like the word pump I wish it didn't
mean what it does mmm you know the
restorer then the new juice the water of
life give you fresh juice okay for sure
but yeah well I want to do something I'm
gonna roll out some more stuff Xavier
says I'm not where I can donate right
now but it definitely have been
spreading the work with friends and
family your organic and that's
contagious brother moving to heal and
see my own flaws for sure and that means
more than then then I've been
financially supporting sometimes you
know so every little bit helps no matter
what you do you know praying guidance
sharing all of that stuff man Deb says
the course sounds very interesting for
sure so uh lien Lou says my nerve is raw
I can hear chuckling and laughing from
the hallway I think they jeering dogs
golfers and tears annoying for sure
anyway I'm gonna go ahead and wrap up
this episode I really enjoyed it
again a bunch of new stuff I'm trying to
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