Billy Meier | The UFO Contactee Explained | Michael Horn

Billy Meier  The UFO Contactee Explained  Michael Horn
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this is uh essentially someone who I
guess would be Billy Meyers English
mouthpiece I guess would be a good way
to put it
someone who's taken the case of Billy
Meyer and then brought it to a whole new
audience and and has continued to
promote it and give his insight on the
case and I think it's really cool
because on the interview that I had with
all it is that was his finale and I I
don't know I thought I thought that
Billy had passed away and I wasn't the
only one there was a lot of people in
the chat who thought that there was some
media years ago that came forth and said
Billy Meyer had passed away but when we
had Patrick on Patrick you know told us
that that's not the case Michael horn
welcome to the show thank you very much
for having me on I appreciate it and
Billy Meyer is still with us very much
alive in Switzerland how old is he now
81 years old anyone was there was there
any type of smear campaigns that or fake
death things that was put out there was
that one of them that he had passed away
have you seen any of that I don't know
if there was any particular seer
campaign about that there have been
plenty of smear campaigns against Billy
and I remember a few people over the
years even have said to me oh I thought
he died and stuff is it no no no really
still quite quite with us here so people
do all sorts of things there's been
twenty three attempts in his life so
tricky trying to say that he's he's not
here anymore it'd be a kind of you know
like campaign against him yeah so
for the audience listening today if
someone has no idea who billy meier is
or what his his case means if you want
to maybe start from the beginning just
kind of give an overview of who billy
meier is and what what he has brought to
you follow G to the table if you want to
go ahead and you know talk a little bit
about that that would be awesome
sure thank you billy meier as I say is
now 81 year old man who claims that his
contacts with extraterrestrial human
beings that we now know are called
played on but were previously referred
to as Pleiadians began when he was five
years old in Switzerland in 1942 he
claims that these contacts with a
variety of the people from the overall
player and Federation continued to this
day 76 years later the conversations
that he's had with these people there
are now hundreds of transcripts of them
there are well over twenty six twenty
seven thousand pages of information that
Meyer has published initially it's all
published in German and still only a
small percentage maybe 6,000 7,000 pages
have found their way into English and
other languages it's published in as
well Italian and there are some
translations that have gone into Spanish
and to check into Japanese different
languages and what I had what I like to
say here is I mean there's so much
information but the minor case is the
only scientifically proven still ongoing
UFO contact case and recently you know
within the last couple of years we've
had four independent experts who were
not directly previously involved with
UFOs all who are high-level
investigators and experts in their field
come forward and basically say this is
authentic and the most recent important
one in my estimation took place just
late last year when a
a man who had been calling me for at
that point nearly a year I learned
finally his background he was the United
States Air Force Office of Special
Investigations highest ranked case
supervisor from the late sixties and
early seventies he'd come across this
information he thought it might be a
host and he applied his investigative
skills to looking at the evidence and
information he determined that it was
absolutely ironclad and that he
personally would take on any skeptics
that wanted to try to attack the case
and basically his article which I have
of course in my blog has ended this get
note I'm not getting any skeptical
attack me occasionally some loose cannon
on the you know internet comes by but he
ended the debate on it so we are pretty
firm about saying while there are many
people that claim this and claim that in
terms of a verifiable scientifically
proven actual contact case between
someone on earth and actually
extraterrestrials Myers is singularly
authentic what do you fit in with this
in this whole situation I guess
moreover where do you fit in but what do
you start like what was your fascination
with UFOs or ufology did it begin with
the Meier case or have you had
encounters as well what happened is ever
since I was very young I would have
dreams about lights moving through the
sky objects I remember dreaming about I
think it was a dreaming being underneath
the disc and it rotated and I knew that
it could move in all these different
directions so you know as a kid I was
and this is going back ways obviously
but it wasn't until 1979 when I walked
into a bookstore in Los Angeles and I
saw the first photo book which I still
had to this day that I found the Meier
case and when I looked at those photos
the from the first moment there was a
knowingness that that was all authentic
and you know this is really something
else and it's been over you know enemy
now 40 years of being involved and that
means 18 trips to Switzerland putting
out
five four five six films documentaries
on Meir personally a lot of research
once the UFO part is interesting but
it's it's not the most important part at
all once I got into finding out how much
information scientific and world event
related Meyer had verifiably published
before the discoveries were made or the
events occurred then I started to feel
like wow this is about something else
more than UFOs and even more than the
extraterrestrials themselves this is
something quite profound and to take
along with the help of even skeptics
we've had over 200 specific examples of
what I call Myers specific prophetically
accurate information and it's
unparalleled new mystery so what's the
the main agenda when it comes to these
these encounters with ufology with with
billy meier is it it's its spirituality
is that is that it is that I think
usually the main message in the end to
better oneself and how to fix humanity
if you will yes and unlike it being just
say you know you could say the
overriding message you know is
spirituality is what's literally called
the spiritual teaching and the the
teaching is a very deep and extensive
and it is a non religious belief free
teaching so I what I say to people is if
you want to learn how fix computers or
electronics or anything else that's a
study but teach did you take that
information you read study test and
apply so there's nothing to believe in
the latter case whatsoever and people
are free to you know study it test it or
not but the spiritual teaching I see an
underlying messages while underlying
intention and that intention is that it
is the key to our future survival
literally
the purpose of these contacts was is not
frivolous at all the spiritual teaching
presented again by the play arm and
admire and through Meyer has been
presented to us six times previously in
human history and each time it's been
corrupted and changed and falsified but
this time it will remain forever because
a lot of because electronic media and
the fact that more people now can read
and write than ever could before
throughout history yeah I was listening
to an interview you were doing earlier
and you were speaking about how there's
less communication and contact contact
through video and pictures now seemingly
that everyone is able to kind of
recreate those images now with with a
CGI and it's really hard to tell what's
real and what's not so it moves beyond
just having some type of picture or
video it's it's moving into people just
having encounters and experiences as
well talk a little bit about how that's
changed and how when it comes to that I
think billy meier was definitely one of
the first ones to do it and I think a
lot of people's kind of tried to try to
follow suit I don't think like you said
not in a bad way people are just wanna
you know wanting to kind of get into
ufology or they feel called to it and
that's people want proof so they try to
take pictures they try to get videos and
stuff talk a little bit about the
pictures and stuff like that from the
early days that he was producing okay
well this is a very important area and
I'm sure that there will be people that
are going to disagree with that with
what I'm gonna say and it's fine it's up
to everybody to make up their own mind
Meyers photos and films also everything
was pre digital era so it's all you know
film regular cameras this was done
because they knew and they told them as
well that once we entered the digital
age in computer age people would be able
to make effects no one would no one's a
date has ever actually duplicated one of
his photos because when you do analyze
his photos and they've been done dating
back forty years the original analysis
with what was state of the art
technology
then and now using computer technologies
is that that have been applied to
analyze this stuff there are people who
made very good models of Myers
you know the object to Myers photos but
they can't duplicate it because once you
start taking those models out to
photograph them you're always going to
be showing a small model close to the
Canberra mitre had large objects a great
distance from the camera and I want to
make this clear even though as I say
this will not sit well with people there
are no people on earth were in contact
with extraterrestrials now I say that
because the other part of my statement
is if anybody actually had that evidence
I'd be of course very willing to see it
so with everybody but miners evidence in
which constitutes at this point proof is
so extensive and is in at least five or
six different categories of evidence
that people claim things because let's
face it we want to feel a connection we
want we have a sense that we're
connected to something greater than us
to people who are but smarter you know
oh maybe someones gonna help us out of
the mess which is not going to happen
that's not going to happen at all we are
the same as countless numbers of races
human races throughout the creation
throughout the universe the players have
gone through their own evolution over a
very vast period of time their ancestors
were like Star Wars on steroids they you
know they went through a lot of gruesome
stuff with high tech and the
capabilities they had that they also
used for Wars or things so having
settled themselves down into a peaceful
state that they had now for well over
50,000 years in their world and knew
their failures they'd like to see us
avoid literally blowing ourselves off
the face of the earth and to that end
they have given us prophecies given us
predictions they warned us of an
incoming object that is heading towards
Earth and first passively in 11 years if
it doesn't strike at that point they've
done lots and lots of things
are verifiable so the people that I
consider my research team these are
scientists military aerospace
astrophysicists etc people who don't
care about claims about contact in t
they want hard evidence that they can
deal with evaluate and determine how do
we use this if it's really true so this
is where a lot of the the the good
intentions behind it wanting something
you know some kind I get it and you know
as I say nearly 40 years of researcher
I've had seven sightings most UFOs folks
are secret military including at least
five of the ones I saw the
extraterrestrials are not everywhere
coming you know to visit us as all the
stuff if any more than we in our current
state with airplanes at all are going to
find and visit let's call it disturb any
and all remaining more primitive
people's of the earth which of course we
do we go invade disturb where will we
find something so these people have a
very hands-off very hands-off you know
attitude they are inserting the
information they've done it they've
given us that which was their mission to
put into our world it's up to us now
what we do with it totally up to us no
one's coming to invade us stake us or
anything else the difficulties that
we'll have with other races will occur
more in the future if we survive
ourselves we are the greatest threat to
our survival
not from outsiders I agree um so let me
let me ask you this so I did I did hear
you on the on the interview as well
there were some names that you threw out
there of possible dissing foe guys
people who were in it for the money
people who were in it for the the
fantasy or the lore behind this type of
stuff right and some of these people are
getting really famous and I I try not to
take a neutral standpoint even if I have
an inner knowing about some people I
would really don't have nothing that I
can prove some of these people have
gotten really big in ufology they're
doing the big
conferences and circus circuits and
things like that and and and you have
called some names out of some people is
there anybody that that you do
appreciate their work that they're
bringing to the table somebody who that
you would take your hat off to for what
they're bringing to you follow gee well
it's it's a very fair question and it's
hard to answer the affirmative for this
reason I appeared in a lot of UFO expose
and conferences and things and I've been
internationally and once I started to
call out what I consider to be
disinformation in that sense bubbly
people didn't want that because it isn't
there's a business going on it's yeah
there now you know you're in trouble
when the government starts talking about
you you know that there's something
fishy going on and believe me there's
something very fishy work or don't
believe you just check it out for
yourself yeah almost this way if any if
any of the people who are out there
lecturing and carrying on about UFOs and
aliens and all this energy if any of
them had one verifiable piece of
evidence of extraterrestrial
manufactured origins I don't mean like a
piece of the rock coming through um I'd
be interested in what they're saying but
to a person not a one of them will
debate this they for the most part all
of the big names in mythology will
attack the meijer case because it puts
an end to what we consider ufology no
fun as an organization I'm sure you're
familiar with
I happen to know I've I've interacted
with the president I think he's still up
there Jim Harrison from move on he's
acknowledged to meet personally with a
witness that he knew the Meyer case is
authentic but it was too good to be true
and all sorts of excuses
MUFON is an organization that works with
either the State Department or CIA with
any good evidence it goes to them first
and I have this
real real good authority from someone
who's in the aerospace industry that
they tried to recruit you have to
understand something there folks it's a
hard one to say look I personally I
don't I don't have to get anything
against anybody personal I just tell you
that I like people I there's a guy named
Stanton freedom I'm sure he's a nice guy
I've submit him up in Canada and all of
the stuff Stanton Friedman wanted to be
involved in the research of a minor case
in the late 70s and 80s but the
investigative team headed by a
lieutenant colonel retired from the US
Air Force didn't know we are not
bringing any UFO people into this
because this all of Myers evidence it's
so it's so good and it's so
controversial it must be analyzed only
by independent experts so Stanton
Franklin then start subtracting a minor
case this is what's happened with all
these people and Stanton Friedman is
talking but Roswell
I knew Roswell was authentic when I was
15 years old because I had an associate
in high school a kid nice booth dad was
in the Air Force was telling me they
found a flying saucer yep this goes way
back and Roswell was a real event
there's just nothing left for us to
analyze and so what happens here is the
when I say The MITRE case is the key to
our future survival I I put on a DVD
with by that title 14 years ago because
I got it when I started to see his
prophetic information and the scientific
information and 14 years ago finding out
that he was already a head of our
scientists by decades the lights are
going on for me the UFO community this
is entertainment and here's the problem
people said to me when I was talking out
against the people I said wait a well
you shouldn't say bad things about
so-and-so I said wait a minute is this
going to be the only field in which
we're not gonna think critically you
have people from something called EXO
politics and politics is full of all
that but I'm not supposed to tell people
and call it out when I know and I can
show that it's not true so you know I'm
not I'm not gonna shut up about it
because it's too
order survivals what's coming down in
this country folks which mitred has
warned of us since 1981 and before this
is no partying we're seeing it unfold
down we're seeing the very things
nationally and internationally that
we've been warned and warned and warned
about and what have they done to try to
kill the man for they made an industry
out of talking about UFOs and not on one
of those people goes with their
targeting rounds sure they bring
information about third hand stuff about
Roswell Rendlesham objects great
wonderful technology what are you gonna
do with it what about when you've got a
man who's meeting with people who have
the capacity and capability to travel
through space and time in some cases and
who can tell him things accurately and
we start ticking them off 200 of them
that have happened there are events
going on in Italy right now central
Italy that he was told about in 1948
when he was 11 years of ages why are we
wasting our this is I'm telling you this
why are we wasting our time with UFOs
extraterrestrials when we've been given
literally freely a body of work that is
invaluable that helps us in our daily
lives it's not about us looking always
upward to the sky because like you're
talking about this is an inward journey
and they've given us a teaching that we
can apply our minds our intuition and
everything else to end to test we don't
have to believe a darn thing people said
to me would you believe in the billion
my patients in our little oh but you
represent I said I know it's true I
don't have to believe it I don't know
everything that they've said about the
distant past or the under eye futures
true because I don't have the tools yet
to go back into time or we haven't
discovered this thing but we keep on
discovering you know new discoveries
Myer warns a 1981 about whether they
have the time that they said we call it
the red meteor is heading towards your
planet unless your scientists come
together and deflect
with an atomic explosion it will either
hit on April 13th 2029
or April 13 2013 6 23 years later NASA
discovers what they call asteroid
Apophis they're not concerned about it
in a 2009 thing is now they're getting
more concerned and then just a few years
ago whatever they do they change the
size estimates within 25 meters of what
Myer was told minor never has to change
anything
we are constantly changing and making
new discoveries to confirm what the man
is console' so this is why to go back to
your core question of a UFO experts I
will debate anything
I offered to debate the top skeptics of
the world James Randi in the rest I
can't even get them to take me on I have
taken on skeptics astronomers all these
people are lined with skepticism and
stuff the game is over it's not me my
host material is ironclad
they cannot it's like one starting over
Phil Plait some years ago is poo-pooing
the whole thing holistic now he's
endorsing the very same thing that my
loins about Apophis so but none of these
people who give credit to Meyer because
see whether you it's the astronomers and
scientists or see silly people in
ufology the experts who don't know it
they all want their the light on them
they want their payments yeah this is
your world works it isn't exclusive to
them there are people who care more
about the truth and our survival your
generation the younger generation is
below you the one just above there are
people who care but you're not going to
find them and you follow you and you're
not going to find a lot of them in a
science unless there's something in it
for them
fortunately a couple years back I met a
skeptical professor up in the area where
I live in northern Arizona and for four
months skeptic I met him in an all-day
skeptics event before lunch he vented
the mire in material until he said to me
one day you've got a lecture about this
at Mike
and and here's what happened which was
on top of that in November of 2015 there
had been the attacks by the radical
Islamists in Paris he sends me an email
guess what I said to my wife after the
attacks yesterday I already knew that
this was coming thank you Michael
because I'd sent him my earth warnings
which we've had even on my DVD since
2004 about what was coming to France
Paris from radical Islam which Meyer is
the first person to warn about going
back to 1958 so do I need to hear a
bunch of people we're gonna yeah more
about imaginary blue avians lecturing on
this and caring that about that
I don't mind you know you wanna say if
anybody wants these people to to debunk
the Meyer case or the debate with me I'm
ready I'll do it publicly I'll do it
anywhere just less gets of what this is
about it's the future survival of
humankind not making it you know hundred
bucks going into a UFO conference and
getting up and babbling about things you
have no experience with either the only
person lecturing on UFOs about an
independently scientifically proven
ongoing case
I've been within 20 feet of a small
monitoring craft from these people and I
perceived information from them through
a Meyer but truth for me so that I could
avoid a very very dangerous situation
that proved to be 100% prophetically
accurate do I care about Roswell with
silliness later all that stuff going on
when I have these you know experiences
and first-hand knowledge and the only
authentic case to report on that's why
you won't find me most of these UFO
events yeah they what they really
wouldn't try to make room for you there
if you're not afraid out there kind of
caught call it out and even um let me
ask you this though because if if I'm
correct I heard you I heard you refer to
what we would call extraterrestrials or
aliens or angels or whatever people have
different names from did you call them
people that did you refer to them as
people is there is there any revelation
behind that Billy was told that they are
to be called people or they are us
from another time I mean what I mean
what's going on with that according to
the information of the case that's
something I like to say a lot because
there's as I say there's things I can't
prove according to information in the
case the universe is teeming with human
life and various developments of
evolutionary development Heights skin
hundreds of different skin colors
there's people there are people that are
gigantic they're people that are very
small the people he meets with are
virtually indistinguishable from us
physically he's met with people that we
would say represent look like any number
of the races on earth there are people
that look we would use this from Asian
or black Mediterranean Northern European
this whole thing with aliens is part of
the hugest disinformation campaign you
can imagine sure are there unusual
looking beings in the universe of I'm
sure is he meeting with them no with the
exception of one race that he met
they're all very much looking for it
much like us and so well where do the
little greys come from well I'm gonna
tell you the greys were the androids the
Android robotic artificial intelligence
creatures found at the Roswell crash and
perhaps maybe at one of the other eight
or nine crashes that have taken place on
earth where there were military
retrievals by one country they were not
the extraterrestrials themselves they
were what we would do who would send a
robotic you know vehicle these are
robotic just like we are already you
know making drama
Darla's and first stages of robotic
creatures some from you know uses that
are not exactly an elevated so these
creatures when they found this became
the model from the evil alien nobody
here is being deducted abducted by any
kind of ducted by extraterrestrials
if you're being abducted by anything
99.9% chance it's a secret military up
where Jim mangas my lab is hypnosis it's
mass hypnosis people believing things
fantasizing do not underestimate the
power of the sudden or an unconscious
person unified to take on all this stuff
that has been pumped at us from the 50s
on aliens we're creatures and we get it
in commercials we can through every form
of media and so many people take it on
if they have sleep paralysis yes they
have in digestion gosh if there's a
military type of a thing they suddenly
think they're being abducted by aliens
yeah what tells us that that's not the
case has it ever happened in our
district yes
there probably been a handful of these
so-called contact examinations by some
races curious about uh something you put
a person out they put them in a deep
hypnosis they examine them and most of
that goes unnoticed an unrevealed
sometimes something could pop through so
has it ever happened yes but is this
this whole thing of experiences and
abductees no you know what none of us
are important enough to space-traveling
extraterrestrial long-lived high-tech
races for them to come here traveling
through you know light-years light-years
of space and maybe time and dick around
with Aunt Edna knuckle job to float them
through walls and take their genetic
material which is extremely inferior to
the genetic material of races that have
already genetically even engineered
themselves to higher levels of
development in order to travel through
space so if you get into the mire
material and you start to read and study
and test it out oh my gosh she was right
about this it's right about that he's
right about this endlessly you go oh
wait a minute
what about all the wrestlers up lower
City where's the real evidence for it
doesn't exist well someone had an
implant aha
from where why would you think that it's
extraterrestrial instead of
it's more accurate and that is that
we've had these technologies for decades
and I know people who have been in the
military its Special Forces that they
were privy to stuff that's we now you
know we see now they've had it for a
long time
the problem certainly in America is we
are being inundated with disinformation
I put out I've got a video online
the real UFO films the Pentagon had hid
from you the Pentagon admits it spent a
hundred and ten million dollars and they
couldn't find the freely available buyer
material there's not a mention of it
they fund this guy Bob Bigelow who's got
a company that manufactures new
technologies I hate to say what I think
some of it's about mr. Bigelow is very
not interested in anybody talking about
the Meier cases because all these people
what do they want they want power it's
weapons development I was told by
somebody who knew when you are reporting
sightings for MUFON you're helping to do
free research for the
military-industrial complex because
since most of these crafts by secret
military they want to know what did you
see Paislee video so oh yeah
extraterrestrial flying up no no not
extraterrestrial flying all over these
are things that are being developed
secret military in various places and
bases and for a hundred years
on this planet there have been various
parties that have had already had
alternative craft they're not
interplanetary extra they are
alternative and they've seen for decades
on earth I'm sorry if this pops
anybody's bubbles but if we don't get
down to the business at hand which is
art literally our survival not from a
fear-based level but from what you're
talking about coming together with each
other finding the best information
working in harmony and peace and love
and freedom with each other on the small
levels that we now still have available
before everything is
now by various forces that hardly even
secret anymore what's coming is a global
financial collapse there's many things
you can you can be finding out in the
mire material what's coming and test it
out against your own perceptions there's
some comments here in the comment
section and the chat going on there I'm
gonna bring to the table you're in it
has to do with some of the the hoaxer
stuff I remember when I got into the
mire material some years ago probably
around 2012 got into it and it's one of
those things where like you want it to
be real and that's probably the same
thing with you know dr. Steven Greer
james gilliland prophet Yahweh I don't
know if you remember him but so there's
this thing where you kind of want it to
be real I read a lot of the material
that Mara had put out and watched a lot
of documentaries and stuff and then I
came across these pictures that were
so-called hoax or pictures and then
there was also some photoshoots with
these girls who were supposed to be
maybe in a pop band or something and so
people are commenting in the chat room
about all of all of these fixture
pictures being a fiction and and fake
some someone said I think it was a
patrocle only on here was talking about
how those were like artistic recreations
of his encounters and they would they
weren't shared to be legit can you talk
a little bit about those pictures
themselves actually whoever's been
bringing this up in the chat room he's
doing a huge service here so we can
straighten this out I'm going to now
what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna refer
back to the guy who's the military
investigator Joe test and what he did is
he took Meyers first reports and photos
from 1964 in India and Joe went through
all sorts of stuff here and he said look
unless any skeptic can show me how this
man 27 years old in India in 1964 can
have an album with 80 UFO photos
doesn't which still remain to this day
that they're shown to a reporter for a
real legitimate well respected
newspaper in India the man is
interviewed in all of this the photos
are still he says if you don't show me
how those photos to start the whole
thing off are fake you're done then he
says I looked at the reports from a guy
named Wally gentleman who was a special
effects director for a film call 2001
that's before a lot of people's time
because the film was made some time ago
Wally gentleman says I could duplicate
Meyers film but I need 15 people and
tens of thousands of dollars to do it
because everything in his film that he's
uses one hand with a little film camera
is correct the lighting and shadow the
thing it then I personally go to it I'm
going to go back to every detail but
they won't answer on this then I
personally went to the people who won
the Academy Award for Independence Day
in 2006 because we have a film out and I
wanted you know their commentaries we in
making our film which is called a silent
revolution of truth and they said well
we could duplicate that film but we'd
have to use CG to do it because it's
clearly otherwise the guy's got a crane
and and huge wires he says that's not a
model so the experts and then that going
to 78 to the photographic experts that
analyzed right up to a couple years ago
three new analyses what happened here is
this Meyer has never hoaxed one photo
there were falsified photos that got
inserted into the ones because he never
developed his own photos he lived
photograph or film
bring him to a camera shop they would
send them out well they started to
intercept some of those films and photos
and sent back falsified ones to try and
discredit him now I worked in 2009
through the internet with a skeptic in
England who was trying to duplicate his
photos uh-huh I was advising the guy
said you've got to take your best shot
and he came out with really good photos
his films are not so good his photos
were really good
was working with Meijer originals and
he's a good model maker but he couldn't
even then duplicated the details he and
he won't have his photos or films
analyzed because he knows that they're
gonna show to be modeled so I said look
James Phil I said Philip he's done
really nice effects here but it's not he
couldn't he Meyer has a very famous film
where the UFO comes in and he zooms in
it and you seen everything and the two
lights go off broad daylight both open
ended so he put some he pasted little
white dots on tomorrow okay now you talk
about the women they said oh well billy
meier has has just photographed or
filmed or whatever women from the Dean
Martin show off of a TV screen yeah okay
well there's a lot of problems with the
claims about the photography because it
would have involved so much on Billy
Meyers part to find out when a Dean
Martin show is being broadcast in
Switzerland in nineteen seventy five or
six or whatever and having a camera his
camera is set to infinity so he his
camera is mainly useful for being
outside and capturing the photograph so
he would have to happen placed in front
of a TV screen and then when he captured
the photograph at the right moment but
they would which would then have all
these lines in front of it from these
okay so when those photographs are
analyzed you can see that they are
overlays that were manipulated using
actual like captured footage you know
the videotaped footage where they even
had moved images in it so that one of
the women when you look is wearing a
Dean Martin shirt stuff Billy Meyer
couldn't have even done but beyond that
I mean literally we've got a page yeah I
may say so those were hoaxed by someone
else
those are hopes but it's not about
somebody else later could we show all
the reasons why he couldn't have even
done it and nobody has ever shown that
he had access to the show I mean there's
a laundry list of all the ingredients
and then you look at the actual photos
in you have
you say what's not even the same woman
it's a composite now the woman that
they're talking about is a woman named
Michelle della Fatima
she was a singer and dancer on this Dean
Martin show so last year in January I
get a call from a woman New York saying
she's a friend of Michelle's and they
want to go and meet Billy Meyer because
Michelle who supposedly you know whose
face is supposedly before she says you
know Michelle knows that that's not her
and that that Billy's not a hoaxer so
Meyer had not wasn't seeing people
anymore you that hard operational stuff
but he made the exception and they came
over in and there's a video online you
could find it where Billy is sitting
with Michelle all the supposed you know
the woman who looks like asking because
she does she looked so much like asking
and when I went over a couple months
later Billy had the photos he took with
um Michelle and then Suzy the other
woman on his desk he kept saying to me
she really does look so much like asket
it's amazing but here there's even more
to this because they warned Meyer going
back I think it was 1975 I remember
reading it and we have it it's in a book
where he's told that in America there
are a couple of women who are
entertainers who look very much like a
skit Nora and Billy says oh let's go
look in a they say no no for certain
reasons we're leaving that alone 13 20
years later whatever comes the whole
controversy the the player and already
knew and they knew many things that
Meyer was going to get you know just
gonna be really difficult but they
couldn't stop it because it had to
happen they already had looked forward
in some cases in time and they just said
well for certain reasons we're not going
to mess with that but this is one of
those cases that if anybody on my
website on my actual web site they fly
calm I have an article asked at Niren
you can look at it you can look at the
photos you could read all the
information and I have an article on my
blog where we updated all the additional
reasons why Meyer could not have been
the person who put this that fake
photograph together but this is this is
good because go back to the photos of
of the craft he has never hopes the
phony didn't need to as joe said about
the 64 evidence and there's more to that
because there was a woman who was a
young girl in India at the time who was
a witness with another woman they were
witnesses to the craft and to this woman
asket walking around with meyer and she
comes forward 30 years later and joe
says look can what's in it for her she's
that retired un diplomat and why would
she come forward and disturb her own
life at this time and he said i this guy
joe had done hundreds of cases for the
United States Air Force Office of
Special Investigation and he said look I
have vetted people who were public
office who are aspiring to be a higher
office we ferret about spies and moles
I've read people's body language and
everything
this kind of billy meier is the most
honest guy i've ever seen i've looked at
every video of his and his evidence is
real and he's as i said he says i'll
take on anything he took onto skeptics
who were attacking the minor case he
told him they were just loaded and one
of them is a so-called UFO researcher
who blathers on about rise while on this
and that all the silly stuff any joe
calls me and he says i don't know how
you deal with these people they don't
know how to think they're not
researchers they're not investigators
and they're attacking billy meier this
is real get over it and then i had a a a
guy another guy didn't know who was an
attorney and a former trial lawyer out
of the blue he writes me says i haven't
looked at all this information he says
this is proof beyond a reasonable doubt
this is courtroom quality evidence on
and on and go so for people that have
heard oh it's a hoax billy meier as joe
says hi billy meier ever need the hoax
anything when in 1964 he's got any real
UFO photos if you still have a dozen of
them no that's not how life works so
that all that info is there for people
to think through themselves i don't
twist anybody's arm to tell you got to
believe this because there's nothing to
believe see the true or listen let me
ask you this because and this is kind of
deviating a little but it's something we
touched on before we went live somebody
in the chat room was asking
about 5g and you mentioned you you have
a necklace that you wear that kind of
protects you from the 5g I don't know if
you want to call it radiation or not but
you want to talk a little bit about that
because I did have some questions here
that people were bringing up and I
thought I thought it would be fitting
because you had some technology you were
showing me that you have actually to
Mesa slightly funny story I'll tell you
why
I don't wear any rings or watches or
jury I never did until in 2004 I was in
San Francisco at an expo and I was
speaking at this Expo and I was walking
around looking all the booths and I saw
this object that for some reason I was
really attracted to it and I want it I
kept coming back and trying it outside
water so I know Switzerland with it the
next month and I go over to see Billy
and everybody and I'm wearing this thing
because I like it and there's a woman
she's wearing a different object and I
said well what the heck is that so I'll
give you the the visuals oculus for what
it's worth because I have both of these
alright so this is the thing it's just a
little like a little pendant I liked it
and so I bought it and bought tool and I
go to Switzerland and there's a woman
walking around she's wearing this and I
said well what the heck is that she said
well it's called a rain guard and she
said the play ahran
you know the extraterrestrials that this
is what really said that this these
things actually work and they're very
good and they make them for this is like
personal users and desktops and also she
said and declare and tested it out they
said you know that's a good thing they
have okay so I said well that's really
curious tie the like here's she said
well I like the one you've got so we
switched this is the you know what I had
to so I kept one when I when it came
back to the states I had this and I can
keep this usually in my pocket and I
said to her well why don't you you know
what we were emailing digress to see if
Billy can test out get the player and
the test the one that I've got and she
said okay but I don't know if they'll do
it well so about a week ten days later
she writes me back and she said you know
Billy asked them
they would do it and they did and
quetzel who's one of their like
technical people are strong
took the device you've got and he tested
it everything about it I said well what
would he do find out he says it's
absolutely useless against
electromagnetics but because the human
being generates that an energetic field
and what they call flu evil forces and
stuff objects like this just like other
jewelry and things will hold those
forces to it which is a good reason why
we shouldn't for the most part wear a
lot of jewelry crystals and things that
we think are beautiful they're holding a
lot of energies that aren't good for us
but if you feel good about this
particular object and it's holding these
energies to it it could be helpful for
you but it's not anywhere near this at
all this thing which is called the
regard so recently this woman I know in
Colorado who's involved with the
biomaterial decided she would contact
the European manufacturer for the ring
guard and sell it and I said to her hey
look I've got that you know regard and I
got I got the new one from her cuz it's
for 5g and all all the heavier stuff
that's coming towards us and she I said
to her if I put up an ad for you on my
blog could I give a discount code for
people so that they could get money off
easier not you know they're not cheap
she said yeah I'll give him a good
discount although you have to do is
what's your code I said when my code
will be MH 1212 so you know if you go to
my blogger you know email whatever
you'll find that this company if she's
got a website it's called neutral Weiss
or something like that and I linked to
it off of my blog I haven't put out of
my website yet and with my discount code
and I usually announce that each time
when I put up my for my own little
online show like I don't Tuesday night
so she also is giving away she has him
for the phones too and now she's giving
if people come to her site and they can
use my code and get a discount and
she'll give a free phone tip too because
there are people coming out there's
videos and stuff about
how damaging especially five g's in
brain-melting stuff and everybody's
carrying these things on so that little
thing I wanted people to know you know I
don't run around everywhere worrying to
think sir not just keep it under my
shirt and you know make sure the people
that I care about anybody knows about
and then you're free to get it or not
but Billy they make them in different
little like little pyramidal shapes and
things for desks and homes and some you
know you can get it really expensive
ones but if you have the personal one I
put it under my pillow and sleep with
the - because we're bombarded all the
time and this stuff will work you know
for neutralizing all that and you know
it's a little diversionary but they have
it they were warning Meyer about cell
phones and all these frequencies long
before the reports were coming out here
it's in the material I mean that's the
weird part about the Meyer case you go
through there they're warning about this
stuff decades ago all these different
things or they're telling him about
wandering black holes and colliding
black holes and the speed of gravity and
the speed and then we get these new
discoveries so I'm going this is where I
come back to so-called UFO experts well
tell me something of unique significance
and importance that you're supposed
extraterrestrials have either given D
because Myra was given metal samples you
know and they he was given these little
squiggles of metal pieces of metal and
they said to turn this over to your
investigative team that they should
bring them to this man at IBM okay well
they did and thirty years ago this guy
named Marcel Vogel maybe more than
thirty years ago sets up a video camera
and electron scanning microscope and
x-ray diffraction and he analyzes and
basically says with any technology
available to me as a scientist today I
can't make this Finnish explains why
well when we go to the next 500 X
magnification now we're seeing all these
laser cuttings and things and then when
we analyze it with spectrum analysis
every element and the periodic table is
there in discreet
to each other this wasn't just put
together in the furnace it's made at a
cold fusion or outer space I can't do it
i without you can't make it we still
can't make this the thing so he's saying
you know there it is
they're sound recordings has been
analyzed people say oh that's just like
a fishing line now they analyze the
sound recordings the frequencies are
very discrete patterns interfacing 32
different frequency I mean goes on and
on and on and whenever you think you
could oh that's gotta be a book
well no it's it's this and this is why
this has been suppressed by MUFON the
Pentagon so the Stars Academy and all
this hope bulky stuff and it timed along
you just a couple of Meyer photographs
won't even admit they won't talk about
it I just sent emails to these people
I've tried to get in touch with all
these people they don't want to talk
because you're being scammed folks the
UFO industry and that's what it is yeah
that's what that's my opinion
yeah and I people disagree obviously and
I'll engage with anybody yeah you know
the evidence here you going oh my gosh
my ears got seven feet there's a race of
that works with a player and their
little short guys the different species
they have seven fingers on their hand
and as a joke this was years ago 2006
they came one night and they've actually
done it a couple times and they cooked
because they have a very acidic skin
they put their hands around different
places even up to the elbow like this on
a couple of the cars one of the cars was
the little Subaru car of Myers Texan and
it itched the papillary lines into the
finish of the car which lasted for years
years and years through all the seasons
and I had a team coming of people from
Great Britain who wanted to interview
Myer and they photographed but we have
the photographs on our website and it's
like you know Linda Moulton Howe says to
me oh can I bring scientists to exam
mili says yes of course just don't
destroy the car she never came why
because suddenly all this evil alien
abduction this and mutilation that goes
out the window and what are you left
with you're left with people from
another world saying people you are real
trouble down there you're better sober
up
nobody's abducting you from outer space
this is information we've been through
all this grief we've been through the
Atomic Age we survived you may not and
as for all these people it's your head
straight so you know that's me carrying
on about this the evidence is
overwhelming I'm trying to go back to
these comments here but I'm somebody
anything you want there's a bunch of
people listening and people from all
backgrounds some people are new to the
work via this podcast I've never heard
of Billy Mayer some people love his work
they love the messages other people seem
like they believed at one point and want
to believe and this is a question from
somebody that wants to know why I think
it's uh Randall quit who is it Randy
winters randy winters yeah why did he
quit representing billy meier that's
what somebody wants to know wonderful
question in 1986 I met Randy winters I
had just been given 18 hundred pages of
the first transcripts and somehow i
coincidentally meet Randy winters is
representing the Billy Meyer case and we
got along very well together were both
musicians and on Randy I really I like
brandy tremendous it's just uh
intelligent good guy excellent speaker
excellent and we make a film together
called the Pleiadian connection which
you can still find online 1987-88 and I
used to be the opening act for Randy
winners because I was writing and
singing New Age comedy songs about
everything you can imagine
UFOs channeling crystals healthfoods the
rest of it I have a song called leave
your body here with me I wrote a song
called new-age blues
ship on the White House law all this
stuff so I'm beginning out for Randy at
these events where he's presenting I do
all the silly stuff sit down and I'd
watch the presentations but it started
to bother me because I'm noticing wait a
minute I've read the same material Randy
head but Randy had already gone to
Switzerland and met with Bill but
Randy's saying things which I know are
not right there it's changing stuff that
I know this material just like Randy
does that's not right why is it so at
one point in about 1987 I said to Randy
you know Randy I would like to also make
my own presentations of my own case
Randy was very generous she says you
know what that's great I'll give you a
rack of slides you know this is way
before a PowerPoint and all that so I
started to go out and make these
presentations and other people who were
watching
Randy stuff started to complain to
Switzerland what is he talking about you
saying that's the saying that so in
Switzerland in the 90s summer in 1990s
they said to him please stop do not
represent us anymore you're making a
mess and so into in 2000 I went to
Switzerland for the first time you need
Billy and everybody and I've gone just
about every year since 1810 so in 2004 I
said to them I'd like to represent you
officially and here's what I will do and
his federal promise to do I will deliver
your information the way you have it I'm
not going to add or subtract anything as
long as I have the right to say I don't
know or I don't agree with this but this
is what's in America so I'm a free
person and you don't pay me anything I
don't pay you I do it voluntarily and
they said of course that's fine you're
your own person you have your own
opinion whatever and you know as long as
you stay - if you present it present
what we have and that's I'm now in late
I don't know 14th year or but you know
the two seven-year agreements we wrote
them out so that I could do that
officially because I want it to be very
careful to not do what Randy did and to
intentionally or unintentionally be
spreading disinformation so if I don't
know something about the case
any troubles I don't want people to
believe the Meyer case it's not what
this is about
but it's like you know people saying I
understand what they mean you know what
I really want to believe no don't don't
want to believe find out however long it
takes you whether it's true or not make
your determination based on everything
that you would evaluate that's very
driver I am and my green tea is the
minister but anyways this is why it's so
important that people question like the
people in your chat room that is kind of
what I live for when people email and
they say well I have trouble with this
or you know what's the answer to that
where you gonna where's the evidence
I see critter so we dialogue about it or
I send them the links that I know and I
say look my blog my website search
engines they have links to all the other
websites start to do your own thinking
because what is always spiritual
teaching about the buyers publishes book
miners Britney nearly sixty boarders
ladies you jump that's a lot it's about
how to think how our feelings work with
our thinking works with our acting how
our intuition actually functions how the
higher senses get developed over time
and through evolution it's it's so
mind-blowing when people who have been
for years and decades studying
metaphysics or Karen or they start to
read Myers books they've never they've
never come upon this and it's so clear
it's a teaching it's not a belief system
it's not from so-and-so on Planet never
follows someone's know this is how
thinking words this is how a thought
leads to feeling then you get another
thought based on the feeling which leads
you to decide if you're going to take an
action and it all is happening usually
below your conscious level of thought so
when you're doing what a lot of people
now fortunately are wanting to do their
wanted to become aware of what they are
thinking because we're thinking 24/7 and
we're doing stuff we're feeling we don't
even know where it's coming from because
we don't stop to go inward enough
for instance in 1990 I created a
therapeutic process based on thought
feeling and feelings in all my body and
I didn't know about the scourge of
teaching the mire case so years later
when I found out about it I said I said
2 billion here's the DVD I do on a
workshop on this I've done this I was
taken to Europe by a consultant Princess
Diana Lakers fan to teach through
European business people and government
people at all because it's an internal
processes like a meditation
incorporating body mind spirit well
Billy said no no no keep doing that
because that is compatible that's part
of what we're teaching through the
spiritual teachings there's many ways
and elements of things that this is
doing something that we are teaching so
teach that to people so I put the DVD up
on my um night in my little shop of DVDs
and books and stuff like that so if
people come upon that they can start to
use those elements but the best stuff of
course is you start to study that the
whole body of the material from building
from this virtue teaching so this is
what we're trying what we're doing now
is trying to focus as much as we can on
that because what is coming societally
what is coming environmentally
geopolitically the civil war is coming
to the u.s. that mired has been warning
about since 1981 we're at the beginning
of that now and i think a lot of people
can see it we must learn how to take
control of our own thinking field work
with other people like minded people and
build networks of like-minded people not
look I have friends who are lifelong in
religious systems that are totally
different than anything I would but I
did a show about to see it and I said
the reason we're friends because
sometimes we'll look at each other bail
out it would come from such different
cosmologies but we overlap in the center
that's what values are I have a friend
who's a lifelong Mormon I've got another
friend who's a very you know deep
Catholic I've got friends who were Jews
from the rest of
I've met people in the Baha'i faith I've
said to people with strong religious
beliefs and this is where it really gets
it to me it's funny I said I have
absolutely no respect for your beliefs
and I hope you feel the same way about
mine but I like your values because
that's where we overlap so love freedom
peace community family all of this good
stuff that's where we are one yeah in
the or being and that is what the
teaching is about in the minor case
there's no believes there's no religion
there's no fear of damnation and
promises of heaven you know no sex
because the the spiritual teaching is
far more ancient and it's been brought
to us by the prophets of the past and
changed and we know the names of some of
the other contactees for the playard of
the best this thing is like when you
pull the first thread on the mire case
you go I didn't know that
you mean this you mean yeah this is this
is not the first rodeo for these people
here Meyer is the final contactee
prophet person for them that we will
have on earth we now have all the
material we need if we want it we study
it and we test it awesome I think we can
agree with that that's a good place to
end on as far as though I mean that's
essentially what this show is I have
people like you say the friends I have
those people from all faiths from all
belief systems walks of life and a big
part of it is the discussing ufology and
and how things do overlap and even when
it comes to the religious values and
tradition how they overlap and in how we
just have an AR we feel like we own the
terms and we own the practices when a
lot of this stuff is universal so I
think that's a good place to end
somebody who has been very consistent in
the chatroom someone named Brittany here
ends with this comment here this is
she's been sending me a bunch of
comments for you but says okay I think
this interview changed my opinion about
mr. horn for the better so you won one
over by you know coming on this show so
thank you so much
if you want to go ahead and share your
links out where people can check out
your work and check out the Meyers story
in a little bit more detail if you want
to do that okay thank you
it's my website is called they fly they
fly my blog is called they fly blog then
I come I updated more frequently because
there's always so much stuff the new
prophecies and predictions from Myer
from last year are up on my blog and we
even have stuff meeting back to 1948
from his first teacher and it's
happening now I have an online little
show of mine on Tuesday nights as you
know Patrick he's gonna have to get you
two to be a guest to an on our show and
we're you know having people from
different walks of life come and also be
you know guests in our show and we're
just trying to work with all of this on
my blog I have information so to link to
Carole site for this I answer all my
emails it just takes me time to get to
it so I will tell people that and then
if there's any questions or challenges
please you send them just give me a
little time because I also travel and do
stuff but I will respond to all that
there was something else oh yeah you
know what if anybody who wants if you go
into our shop and you see a book by
Billy or a DVD or anything like that you
want to get that and you order it and
you put in your order the name of the
show or Derek or every tooth secret
whatever you want to do as long as I
know Kane I will send you a free DVD -
I've got a new presentation from just
last year I might probably just send you
that because lays out everything on my
case so as long as in some way we refer
here to Derek and the show then I'll
send you a free with whatever you order
from my chef so that's my big Pro Bowl
I'm not really good at promoting but
that may be yeah yeah yeah hey free free
is always good so yeah just mention
mention in this context okay
and I really thank you for the interview
I know there's harsh things
you know we're saying but this is about
our survival it's not about careers as
UFO experts and chasing lights in the
sky yep I agree I agree it's about the
inward work as above so below
essentially at the end of the day I
appreciate you working what you bringing
to the table thank you for hanging out
with me I appreciate it we'll talk to
you soon thank you thank you brother
Michael horn ladies and gentlemen the
Billy Meyer case very interesting stuff
very interesting stuff and when I was
just consuming hours upon hours upon
hours upon hours of research Billy Meyer
you definitely come across his work and
some of the people you may look up to in
the field they mentioned his work and
now some people who have no idea who
Billy Meyer is they hear true seek I
mentioned I'm they're gonna they're
gonna look into it and I'll tell you
this like he said I will agree with this
you have to you have to come to your own
conclusion you have to do your own work
you have to you know don't let anybody
think for you don't feel that just
because I have somebody on this show
that I vouch for them that's definitely
not the case I'm not afraid of their
story I'm not afraid to you know I'm I'm
still learning - there's a lot of that I
don't I'm not an expert on everything
and I'm willing to say that and that's
how I come to my conclusions
that's how welcome to my conclusions is
if the person claims to be an expert or
claims to be the prophet or the end-all
know all type of person and I will have
to say that uh you know I feel like I
feel like Billy my I feel like they're
trying to create almost a religion
behind Billy Meyer you know if I have to
be honest with you all he is the the
go-to guy I was supposed to have some
other guests on the show a while back
and I would talk about spirituality with
them before we went on the show and they
would say that they're the only person
that can do this like I am the only one
that can make contact with the aliens or
with the angels or with Jesus I mean
some of your you know reverence or
saying that type of stuff you know even
without saying it put it that way but
they claimed to be the expert
and and and they're the one to come to
for the knowledge and so I gave Michael
the chance to to vouch for anybody says
is there anybody in ufology who you feel
is doing a good job who who I'm saying
who's doing something good
there's tons of people I'm reading the
comments here people are mentioning
james gilliland I love James Gilliland's
work Peter Maxwell Slattery he's you
know what I'm saying there's some good
stuff that Greer's doing Grier is up in
the air right now for a lot of people
but there's some good stuff he's doing I
did like um you know David Wilcock early
on until he introduced Corey Goode and
all of that stuff that's just me
personally but you have to come to your
own conclusions and don't think that
just because we have these people on
that I vouch for them or they're telling
the truth like but don't but just
because I say they're lying or question
them doesn't mean you have to it's I
think we all have the gift and ability
of discernment some of us a little bit
more than others and some people may be
able to see a bigger picture that I
can't see with particular people but
when anybody and this goes for pastors
teachers whoever claimed to be the
end-all no all like I am the contactee I
am the one you should be listening to
all of this stuff and they they down
other people's work or say say stay away
from it there's nobody we're the only
ones teaching the truth stay away from
those people run as fast as you can even
Jordan Maxwell tells you that so you
know what I'm saying run from those
people
I mean I'll say this so I used to listen
to a lot of this would be funny I used
to listen to a lot of um Jimmy Swaggart
the preacher Yeah right so especially
with me getting so deep into a lot of
stuff that I've studied over the years
like even if we're talking about the
Hebrew Israelites or getting into
mysticism or whatever the case is I
would always be able to I was a truck
driver and I would be able to listen to
Jimmy Swaggart and they had this thing
where like their big thing is we
preached the cross which is the true way
of salvation right the cross of Christ
and but this is annex
inclusive thing just to them like they
are the only one who have that message
that revelation and and I've heard Jimmy
Swaggart preaching and I'll say this I
said all that to say Jimmy Swaggart
would help keep me grounded as far out
as I would get in ufology or mysticism
or they black Hebrew Israelites or
whatever that what I was studying at the
time I've studied many paths that would
help me stay grounded to my faith in
Christ so but I've heard Jimmy Swaggart
crying on air on radio and from the
pulpit crying his eyes out that they are
the only Church preaching the truth
they're crying weeping wailing that
they're the only church that has the
truth crying over America and the state
of the churches and things like that you
got to stay away from those people
anybody who claims to be the end-all no
although we're the only ones with the
truth many denominations are like that
in Christianity they say hey the Mormons
say stay away from the these people the
charismatic states say stay away from
the Baptist the Baptist tells you that
the charismatic so crazy everybody has
the exclusivity and they're the only
ones teaching it true I know that's
totally not not not the case well I
think everybody has a piece of the truth
and people are even mentioning in the
comment section about Billy Meyer that
they say some of his stuff is on some of
its spot-on I think that's the case with
a lot of them even Jimmy Swaggart and
people are commenting now as I'm
bringing this out saying Jimmy Swaggart
a fraud it's all about the money
some of Jimmy Swaggart is good he's got
some stuff that's right on really good
that you're not gonna get from billy
meier you're not gonna get from any
other preacher or whoever so I think
everybody has a piece of the puzzle man
it is really walking in the spirit of
discernment to be able to learn a little
bit from all of these people and hold on
to the good because I think it'll
resonate with this some of us have to go
down paths like maybe you have to jump
on board in my case with the black
Hebrew Israelites to go down
path and learn something there's things
that I learned from from that cult or
that sect of people that I would never
have learned in an evangelical Christian
Church I would never learn studying
euphology or mysticism I learned how to
study
I learned scriptures that many people
look over even with their mysticism
we're getting in the Jordan Maxwell
there's stuff that I've learned that I
would have never learned down any of
these other paths and stuff so I believe
that all of that stuff happens for a
reason but we just got to make sure that
we don't get into the veneration of
people or the veneration of other men
greater than ourselves yeah I deal with
this stuff with like you know I'm saying
people who follow a chart even a church
leader cuz y'all still deal with a lot
of Christians and church people and
stuff and so like I've dealt with some
of Brandon bothrops groupies here here
lately and and they love him like they
say everyone needs to follow this man he
has the truth his revelation is on point
I try to I try to check you guys when
you guys say that about me like a lot of
people try to say it about me but I'm
I'm Lama with y'all like I were studying
this together and I'm trying to take
knock these people off of these
pedestals because they are to the
Brandon bloss a regular dude Jimmy
Swaggart regular people Billy Meyer so
regular dude these guys are regular
people man and and they're not privy to
anything that you that you aren't if
you're if you if you seek it you can
have whatsoever you ask for whatever you
want to find whatever you want to search
out and in life and the universe and the
scriptures you can give yourself over to
it and there's amazing things that you
can find and you can see you don't have
to go through another medium another
source to get your information or to
follow a person obviously we all learn
from each other one another and our
hierarchy goes sideways it doesn't go up
and down in the shape of a pyramid you
don't have this one dude sitting up top
who's got all these people under him it
goes sideways we are to submit ourselves
to one another to make sure that we're
in check that we're in line and that we
have one another's back that's what it's
about
so I mentioned these people man I think
the
have something good to the table I'm at
a weird place too and I have to you know
I have to check myself because you know
I entertain some of the some of these
conversations I'm not scared of the
conversation I enjoy the conversation I
don't go around having these
conversations in day-to-day life with
people about the aliens or the pleiades
like I don't go out looking for
conversations I'm very much a hermit I
have my routine I deal with my family
and my friends on you know social
occasions but they're very rare we have
our routine so I enjoy the conversation
and in the form of a podcast this is
essentially what it is but then again
just because I have to I'm at this point
where I have to like not be scared to
call people out like I'm a host I'm and
I really have learned a lot from George
Noory listening to hours upon hours upon
hours of coast-to-coast am well he'll
let these people come on his show share
their story and even maybe if he feels
like they're lying he'll it makes for a
good story and then they could be
telling the truth he because he you know
maybe he has the grace enough to say
that he doesn't know that they're lying
about their story so he'll let people
call in and say hey I was staring at the
moon and the moon you know started move
in and all kind of you know just weird
stuff that sounds and he will sound very
interested and what they have to say
maybe he is he doesn't call BS just on
random people just because he doesn't
believe them maybe even without proof so
I'm at a point like that but I but there
is some there should be some wisdom that
is used as well because some of these
people I've had on as guest man these
people turn around and bite me on ass
say straight up Brandon bar top has been
one of them I've had people come on the
show as a guest and in the next day
they're talking about putting a lawsuit
on me and suing me if I promote the
content in a particular way I've had
people that I do not associate with
anymore that I've interviewed and
we had great discussion and I've
entertained stuff part of that is
because of my background I come from the
Christian Christianity that where you
had to be right about everything like no
matter what it was in Moton usually from
Christian doctrine you're talking about
the Trinity the Holy Spirit baptism
miracles the supernatural angels demons
like all of these topics like you had to
have you had to be right on and so all
of these different all of these
different denominations claim that they
are right about all of these different
things right they all claim that they
hold the truth or the in down no all
upon baptism or aliens right I mean
there's denominators getting popular now
to talk about aliens even in churches or
whatever and so I come from the path of
debating people and wanting to win you
over to my belief system or my doctrine
I mean that's what's taught in
Christianity or anybody who's
evangelical essentially someone who goes
out there in evangelizers to try to make
disciples you have to get them to agree
to your your doctrine so I come from
like a really deep into that especially
with the Hebrew Israelites we would go
out on streets and debate people you
know in the open stuff in in to win or
to be successful was to get them to like
renounce their belief system and follow
your teaching I was miserable when I was
doing that and when I had my spiritual
awakening man and it went even deeper
what and I I essentially embrace love
and I embrace the fact that instead of
looking at somebody's belief system or
religion and see what what made us
different and see where they were wrong
and where they were off because hey we
all have it I mean there's people who
look at me and they they see something a
little I have a hat that has an eyeball
on it I say they see that all-seeing eye
they turn it off
they can't listen to me I'm in the
Illuminati bah bah bah bah bah bah bah
you find things that you disagree with
that makes makes it what you can't walk
with this person and religion taught me
to do that but now I embrace what's
right with people I'm able to look at
people prophetically
and see what's good about them see that
the potential within them even that the
potential that they don't see within
themselves that's a spiritual gift not
everybody can do that but I found so
much peace in my life to look at you and
say okay I could I could I could see
that I could see the best in you even
what you can't see it in yourself that's
a blessing but at the same time it has
come to be a curse as well because with
people like Brandon Barth right people I
had many people as I interviewed him and
they say man stay away from that dude
that dude is out there that dude is bad
news he's got some crazy off-the-wall
doctrines and belief system he's poison
to the community stay away from this guy
don't give him a platform and I said
look I'm not scared of brain abarth up
I'm not scared of his message and
because I see the good that he's doing
yeah he's crazy
he's back he's crazy dude is crazy right
but he's got some good stuff that he's
doing he's taking people off the street
people are coming through his ministry
they're getting off drugs to kick in
heroin
they're kicking meth habits like that's
the stuff that I'm with all this other
stuff he's doing that's crazy
I could see past that to see the good
that Brandon boss was doing right so I
would just build upon that and uh and
that's good and people are and I've lost
followers or lost an audience we sell
here true so you're dealing with Brandon
I can't deal with you if you think
Brandon is legit then we can't deal with
you true see good cuz your discernment
is this out the window it's not that I
think that he's legit I believe that
he's doing some good just like everybody
everybody has some level of good that
they're bringing to the table and I like
to build upon that it's essentially
being able to look at the valley of dry
bones in the scriptures and see these
bones that are dead but being able to
look at look at the dry bow and say look
this is an army if we can if we can wake
these dry bones up and if they could
become flesh again we would have an army
let's prophesy over them let's speak
over them and these bones grew flesh and
stood up and begin in the valley of dry
bones became an army again because
someone's seen the potential in them
someone spoke out
the potential that they've seen and I do
that it's such a blessing to do it I've
won people over to God to Christ to
spirituality because I seen potential in
them that they did not see within
themselves but it it's a place where you
let you overlook the bad stuff that
sometimes comes back to bite you on the
butt maybe that's part of it you know I
don't and I'm trying to learn the place
to be a good host to be a good spiritual
leader and still you know not go around
causing contention with everyone just
because I don't believe a hundred
percent in what they're bringing to the
table some of the stuff is poison man
you know what I'm saying I in and you
have to discern man and I want to teach
you to think for yourself man I want to
teach you too to be able to discern to
be able to look at these people and be
able to see the good within them but
also be where we are the bad be wary of
the poison you know what I'm saying this
what would they say they say be able to
eat the meat but spit out the bones
don't choke upon the bones that is
poison to some of these people are
putting out there everybody has a piece
of it man everybody has something good
that they bring it to the table a lot of
people are operating out of hurt a lot
of people are operating out of wanting
to be accepted you know I'm saying so
they build a platform where people adore
them and appreciate them for something
that they didn't get from their parents
or mostly just like in Brandon situation
from the church
you know they kicked him out they you
know they he got too crazy for him they
he didn't want nothing to do with him so
he's like I'll show you you know what
I'm saying let me start my own platform
and and let me show you so you have to
be able to judge the intentions of
people's hearts man but um and that that
comes with practice man so wherever you
are in the in the spiritual realm use
discernment I'm for looking into it all
but you have to discern whether how far
you gonna walk with these people and be
careful I don't want to be guilty of
getting someone to join a UFO cult
you know what I'm saying and some of
these people they're out there and you
think I'm like trust me I've I've been a
part of movements that uh tell you to
sell your possessions
let's move out of the country and people
do it and they start communes and crazy
stuff crazy people and then pick it up
the leader begins to sleep with
everybody his wives just like Jim Jones
and dr. Malachi York and all of these
different cult leaders over over time
and they've all all done it
these people are out there man you know
so you have to be able to walk in the
spirit of discernment for before
everyone it was shot out the everybody
was holding me down in the chat we got a
lot of people hanging out here Kristy
Lee lil T Britney Britney says I
actually quit listening to seeker it was
too focused on religion but this has
been amazing you know it's funny cuz
like I have the people who listen to me
because I discuss religion and then
they'll say true secret talks about
aliens too much I'm cool I'm stop
listening I enjoy it all I think all of
its a part of the conversation I think
that UFOs or angels or whatever you want
to call these aliens or whatever it's
part of spirituality especially in this
part of religion like all of this stuff
has to do with it but and it's funny
that I can I can look at the good at the
whole Billy Meyer thing or I'm saying to
Michael horn what he's bringing to the
table is like we did agree I do agree
with the fact that it's about bettering
yourself spiritually there you know but
as far as like when people you start
demonizing other people you have to be
careful of that like that shows you that
person's intention that they're trying
to build a platform I can easily get on
here and do it and I don't do it maybe I
should I don't know I really don't I'm
still learning when it comes to this
I've seen good and bad come from come
from it but the discernment is wish you
you got to walk in you have to learn so
binary says no no worries truseq I think
I speak for the many when I say we think
you're cool eh
thank you bro I think you're cool AF -
bro somebody says you speak for me bhai
nari I love you guys man yeah I think we
all have a piece of the puzzle and
understanding that people would have me
just to kind of go live and do my own
thing and bring my own information out
which I do try to tie it in to the to
the show but like this platform
essentially was built upon having
discussions with people even people I
don't agree with and then trying to you
know believing that they have a piece of
the puzzle and bringing it out and if
you only hear one or two things and I
use Jordan Maxwell that's a perfect
example I do not agree with everything
Jordan Maxwell talks about some of his
stuff is is crazy some of his stuff is
speaking from a place of hurt and hatred
and bitterness - you have to be able to
discern that if you can't discern that
you need to you know you got it you
gotta learn man you got it you got to
you got to put this stuff in into
practice you can you can tell people's
motives and intentions when you bring up
sore subjects to them you know even
maybe even me maybe even me when I
mentioned Brandon ball so up and his uh
his followers his groupies you know what
I'm saying like those people are nasty
man he's that there is some bad stuff in
and what he's doing but I've kind of
even with him though on the show I've
discussed that like I've talked about
his mimicking followers you know when
people just being rude and cursing
people out and sending nasty emails and
exposing people it's it's insane and
Christie's been a Christian coot my
friend Christie least like it Christie
Lee she's been uh she's been in that in
that circle before to where people uh
you know talk down upon you and send you
nasty emails because they don't believe
that you're doing what you're called to
do right because if they had the
platforms they would do it different
right that's the thing
many people like when you build your
platform and you have something that
you're just showing up people get
jealous of that people people get
jealous with that they you know they
feel like they can do it better or you
don't deserve that
or you're teaching and influencing a lot
of people that they feel like they
should be influencing trust me I've
dealt with the
for a long time Carolyn's joining us now
good friend Carolyn she says came in
late but we'll watch the whole thing I
think you'll like it Carolyn I think
you'll enjoy this episode make sure you
listen to the whole thing definitely
talking about Billy Mayer so it'll be
good so what is behind our religion the
main ones is not the same as the people
who is following the cult is always
extreme and corrupted yeah definitely I
agree with you
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