In this episode of The TruthSeekah Podcast TruthSeekah speaks with Brian Orme about the ascended life of the Christian Mystic.
Brian wears many hats: husband, father, prophet, mystic, teacher, life and mindset coach, consultant, son, and friend. He and his wife Cecilee were university campus missionaries for over 20 years. They continue to develop and deploy world changers through live events, online trainings, and much more. Brian and Cecilee enjoy spending their time with their two children: Eowyn and Liam.
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Brian Orme | The Ascended Life of the Christian Mystic | TruthSeekah Podcast YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExSzvabxo3I Transcript source: YouTube captions right now I walked into the truth seeker podcast she let me lie at your feet calm your source for spiritual and his relational music teachings and media's the show is designed to help you grow in your walk with Christ and advance the kingdom of heaven and now your own truth Vika maybe just watching on the Alps outskirts maybe you're just a spiritual individual maybe you've transcended the physical you spiritual individual but this is for you this is for everyone I believe it's inclusive I believe that it's fueled and started by love and so if you want to know more stay tuned we're going to be talking about the mystical experience and how to tap into that once a huge thank you to all the patreon supporters this is the listener supported and funded show doesn't exist without your help you guys are the enablers thank you guys 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wife and I we spent over 21 years doing university ministry that was kind of our our world for a really long time and so I'm really passionate about thinking and believing so we can be an intellectual and mystical I don't have to choose one or the other and so that really began to form a lot of the stuff that the Lords brought brought me into my personal journey and just in helping others and then after we did university of ministry we've continued to do mentorships I do a mystical mentorship with a good friend I've always traveled in speaks I speak in train all over the world and an author have a family have two kids thirteen year old daughter and a nine year old son we live in San Diego California and we we love each other and we love Jesus that's what's that man that's what it's about yeah so getting into the mystical and I said getting into the mystical let's just start again with I think it ties in with being a believer right tapping into Christ where did all of this stuff start for you I like to trace everything back to childhood did you ever have any childhood experiences that were like otherworldly that kind of marked you that when once you begin to grow up and you start looking into some of these other realms and things like that yeah for sure yeah I grew up in Michigan grew up in a Christian home and it was a Pentecostal church so there was a grid for healing and a grid for speaking in tongues but you know outside of that there wasn't a whole lot of grid for you know otherworldly angelic encounters and so as a kid I've seen angels and demons and dimensions and all sorts of stuff dreaming about stuff that would happen in the future you know what I would share it and I could tell it didn't seem like very few if anyone else was seeing this stuff so it it kind of you know there came a tipping point really it was one specific dream I had and I saw the fear my mom's eye when she looked at me because this thing happened and it was our neighbor and we got paralyzed from the neck down in the stream that happened the next day and so when I saw that fear I was I started to push away from it because I've made there's something wrong with this like why am I seeing these things why why is this happening in and around my life but I don't doesn't seem to be happening to anybody else and so that shut down for a while but as a child I was I was seeing stuff all the time it was a bit overwhelming there Willie wasn't helped to process that stuff there was very little resources back in that day on any of this any of these topics and so that's why I've I'm so passionate about helping people to process and to understand that hey this is we don't have to be afraid there's a lot that the Lord wants to show us so what led you to stop pursuing it like was it was a certain ministry that you got into that you found about a book that opened up to you or just something that you couldn't control and had to learn by yourself or a little bit of all of it what was it for you that really made you confident like this was something that was of God and I should I think two instances there was pride the most radical encounter I've ever had 1995 is in Pensacola Florida not too far from you the brown of Brownsville revival back in the day yeah and yeah I was super jaded I was actually making fun of anything supernatural super critical it's a long story but I had this crazy encounter with God at this front of this church didn't even want to be there I was judging everything it was happening around me and so I was mugged by God I wasn't even asking for this you know he just came in and out of that encounter everything came back that I pushed away from in the Lord began it's he you know put me on this journey to be like hey this was it was always me if you never had to be afraid and then when from there moved to Salt Lake City Utah to help start a church and do campus ministry at University in Utah and do that environment is super intense man I mean the first week I got there at a principality come in my room said I'm gonna kill you if you don't leave the state you know and it's like you don't learn this stuff in Bible College what to do and so Salt Lake City really was a training around and a lot of the stuff quite honestly because I had to it was such an intense spiritual environment it was like alright Lord let's do this let's go in the deep dive and so I spent eight years got married there and so my wife and I really we feel like that was kind of the training ground for where we are today what were some of the materials and stuff early on for you did you get into like the final quest and start ministries and stuff like that yeah I remember the final quest absolutely there was no Randy Clark came out when we were Utah 1990 man 97 I think or 98 I didn't know who that was you know back then so he's sharing stories I just I mean specifically about healing and I was like you know it's pretty new this stuff so I was like well I went up to my centers all 10 of us there I said look whatever's going on in your life like I kind of want that too so I don't know how this works so he prayed man I went flies as if I got electrocuted I'm flying on the ground like five feet into the wall and start seeing people get healed I've been praying for people to be healed wasn't seen a lot of stuff and now the outcomes were incredible just because of that place of impartation so I think Randy was pretty key for me obviously the morning star My Morning Star worship was a big part of the church that we lost our Ethel you know before yeah yeah they actually raised a lot of Bethel people up they went over their school of ministry and stuff so yeah super impactful there very long worship songs that are 2025 minutes long it's something you know what like I think a good worship song is something like what Morningstar brought to the table obviously like they had a bunch of Celtic influences and Grabow influences and rock and roll like they just put everything in it but I think their music was good because or is good because they allow you to experience like a rollercoaster of emotions like there's a there's all of these high points and then there's travail and then there's declaration all of these in the span of a 20 minute song almost like a good movie like a good movie is one that's gonna make you laugh and cry like at the same time even it's gonna allow you to feel present feel like you're a human and be able to process and feel all of these emotions like there's some movies coming out they're really really like well-written and then a lot of these like Game of Thrones or Walking Dead or something that kind of make you feel the same way but then again like tapping into worship like bring in that element that just makes you feel live and makes you like process and helps you process all of those feelings in a safe atmosphere that was something that was really cool about that you know again I think Bethel's doing that too I actually had Leonard Jones on here I interviewed him somebody a year ago it was really cool so that's super cool what is it about the feelings though because there's so many I'm really big on being present like embracing our godhood embracing our spirit man and that we are eternal beings we are light beings we're seated with Christ in heavenly places we can leave the body at will you know all of these things but then again it's like being present in the body to eat good food to enjoy good company to process emotions to cry to laugh to be angry but then we you know hey we have to respond with love to are in all of these things so there's a movement of people it's very much a gnostic idea that anything that is of the world are from the earth is wicked and contaminated and corrupt in our feelings and our flesh is corrupt and things like that and we shouldn't enjoy it have you noticed any of those segments of people yeah it's kind of been even to some of the mystical movements for people who mean well I think - oh yeah I mean narcissism is deeply rooted it's been around for so long and it continues to survive in different streams but to me it's like I some of the people that met it's kind of an escape for them to escape the pain of stuff they did encounter but they this is the way I don't have to move on from it because I can just completely disconnect is that thinking about the Ascension stuff is a way like escapism absolutely to me it's it's this is the ascended life is affecting all of life not just you know I'm up into spiritual realms and doing all this cool stuff and it's like well how how's your relationship with your spouse or how you know what does that look like in your daily life when's the last time you listened to somebody you know who brings feedback in your life and it's a go well brother you know that I'm ascended I'm like no you're not if those are a part of your life that's a low level of living I think it is for some a way to escape this yeah this world because they don't want to process the things they need to you know it I think there's a there's a balance has to be there because it is it is escapism right like we need to escape to something what who do you who and what do you run to you know for for a time it was drugs it was alcohol for some it's it's women you know it's a sexual immorality they run food there's something that people escape to like what do you escape to so for us when we're under attack when we're feeling especially right now you know what I'm saying there's a lot of people who are escaping in conspiracy theories in fantasy worlds and in and even with this ended life being somewhat of a fantasy world and well I met with three prophets today and I've rode the back of a dragon or whatever it's like this far-out stuff that it's like it's an escapism but it has no impact on reality you know what I'm saying and because you know he is our strong tower he is our shelter from the storm he is our our safe haven right so we should run to him and run to spending time in his presence but then again there's the ones who maybe always stay there that they never come back down the mountain like Moses with the message or Jesus come out of the wilderness with a message you know so I think that uh there's a balance there of still have an impact in renown in the earth because you've sought the Father in secret then he rewards you openly with with his presence and with all of these things that we're talking about yeah absolutely I mean you said it you know Jesus came down the mountain and he tangibly touched people he fed people he ate with people he drank with people it's like he you know he's he is the standard of a mystical life and he is is modeling how we can live multi-dimensionally yeah we have these encounters but it is ground out into a tangible expression in the Earth's always uh you know looking back at like the weight of God's glory and and even looking back at the Old Testament and seeing how he did these mighty miracles and mighty ways of provision made a way where there isn't a way for them and and how they always you know they would turn their back or they would get bored whatever the case is or is like they would turn to other gods and stuff like that and obviously that's a mirror for our lives as well when just you know all the miracles and things we've seen whether it's otherworldly or not I think that I think that being a mystic and being one who's connected you can see the beauty and majesty in all things that that you can see God in at all his fingerprint and it's just majestic but you know leaving your body having angelic encounters and stuff like that like how much is enough like how much until we get the message and run with it versus like I need more I feel like in the movement and stuff there's a lot of people who are spoiled you know because then they just they're spoiled because they have access because they can you know enter trance state or whatever or laughs and fallout or whatever it is different for different people versus something that again is going to be something that they can pull out and apply to their life I always talk about you know I talk to all kind of people but like the definition of a mystic or a shaman is one who's able to pull things out of the spirit realm and apply it to your life and go in and those dreams and those visions and manifest them and and be able to execute them and then and for a lot of people what we're encountering and I think for me I find some people they're pursuing encounters and I'm like look if my suit is the heart of the Father how many things because I have legal access to that because of the finished work of Christ and you're my encouragement to you anyone that's listening watching is make your highest pursuit first love and he will show you remind his things because he can trust you with the level of revelation he wants to bring to someone who is his heart is the pursuit his mind is your pursuit now it's just this random but what about kissing and telling what about do you ever feel like you should have kept some of these things to yourself versus just like oh yeah this is what we did yeah I was in the spirit and this is what we did it's kind of like just like these beautiful intimate secrets that the shared with you and then here we are like talking about them openly I do I had a deep encounter about that it's like oh you're the one who talking about leaving your body and traveling to heaven and you're the ones talking about the mysteries and you're just stowing them out just to random people and talking about it like it's nonchalant like isn't there like a you know just like a it's holy it's sacred it's set apart it cost even versus just like hey anyone could do a tap in like it comes with the level of responsibility at least I believe it should right yeah I mean I I kind of say sometimes yet to be drunk in a spirit because you'll be sobered by what you see going in and there there is a responsibility to this and it's not to be just this nonchalant and I remember one encounter I had and I started sharing it and I got so much backlash and God said hey so did I tell you to share that and I was like he said it's not the right time and that was between us and so I had to I had to go back to him be like all right help you to understand how to do this not to know what to share know what not share yeah I mean this kind of what this platform is built around it's about just kind of exploring the mystical and and talking about it encounters like real things that happened and you know the guy who led me to the Lord he said early on we would start talking or he's had all kind of experiences and this was early on again and he kind of got in this way so you gotta be careful sharing these experiences good because you find Christians who get into these like well I seen this oh yeah well I'm able to do this all I did this and I in in so he told me that years ago and then talking to some people they're like I could summon aliens on cue I can open up portals right now and what in they're just like we're just having a regular conversation and they're trying to one-up me and I'm like oh I'm not trying to I'm not trying to do that with you you know what I'm saying so it's like this weird like you know what you've seen and going you know deeper and deeper and deeper with it have you noticed any of that stuff it would the scale thing that I find especially done over 300 episodes now scary thing is the psychological stuff behind it and especially like people trying to the people making up like stories or just because they imagine it they felt like they really experienced it versus like did you really cuz I can you know I got I know people who could say oh yeah I could see angels all in this room right now and they're just it's because they have an overactive imagination God uses the imagination you know what I'm saying so there is that I think that if you believe it then you can encounter it you have the same effects it has the same effect on you whether it if it was really there or not like if you feel like you really encountered seven angels that are that you see at all times or whatever but I feel like there's just like who is more far out and who is more mystical I know you've been in it for this long you've definitely encountered that maybe it's levelled out a little bit now but you've definitely counted that right yeah I mean to me that's a person has an orphan mentality like I've got to outdo everybody else because I really feel pretty insecure yeah and it's usually a person that's pretty isolated too and isolations governed by deception like there's especially with this stuff we've got to do this in community with a company of people that have the opportunity I call them editors you know I don't like the word accountability when it comes to relationships if we're talking about money an accountant it's great but if we talk about relationships I need an editor who comes in has permission to to make my story better they can write in the red red marks in my margins of my life and be able to say hey here's a run-on sentence let's put a period and if we don't have those types of people in our life where we're going to be led to places of deception because we will have tunnel vision and will think we are amazing when there might be something that needs to be addressed and that's where an editor comes in so it's super important especially as people are explore the world that God has given us there's got to be some people positioned in our life that have that permission I definitely see where you're talking to there about just life in general especially with spirituality and make sure not so far gone because people get into weird stuff and they abandon the faith Jesus was just a space brother you know he's one of us you know and then there's no you know work on the cross meant nothing I mean people they change and they start it happens really quick you know who is so easily bewitched you you know from from the simplicity of the gospel and that's one thing I think that in all of this stuff we have to make sure that we're talking about because it happens but as far as like having I think we are pioneers right I think that if you can dream something up if you can imagine it then I think you can encounter it I really feel like this reality works in that type of way if you believe it you can see it and then even so for like our art and stuff like that was like pioneer pioneer being into like different realms of music is what I do so most of my friends and and it was different you know and there they couldn't get it and it was I wouldn't don't do it don't put it out there like that but it has to be something of like you have to be you have to hear his voice you know I'm saying you have to get the vision and run with it and for those who are really pioneering the majority of the time like hey like they're not gonna understand it until cuz I think a lot of times we're just weird years ahead of a lot of stuff that's going on you know what I'm saying so usually they catch up with it later or you can be saying something that you believe and you're encountering in the spirit and people just okay that's Brian or whatever he's just he's always been that way but their favorite pastor says it and now it's like oh yeah now we're getting back into the stars into the zodiac because my pastors teaching on it and you've been talking about this for like 10 years or something you know absolutely I mean it's up being a pioneer is not for everybody but it's you know I would I would actually say we're probably more reformers and I think a reformer is just rediscovering the past and grown over yeah it's not something new of course there's nothing new yeah and then a pioneer comes on that trail that's still not still freshly you know we've taken the weeds off we've weed now have a trail the Pioneers come and start to build the infrastructure so that settlers can come and build upon and really thinking about building a city a place for our four large groups of people to come into and re-enter the revelation that's been lost it's kind of how I like in this in but as a reformer as a pioneer people you're misunderstood people don't understand what you're doing you're gonna be akise you're gonna be that's why it's not for everybody and so for me it's like I have to always come back to hey this is not just about me this is about a future generation yeah that this is they're gonna be there normal and I'm willing to go down that path if it means people will grow up with this is their reality it's not that's crazy that's Fringe no this is normal Christianity and that to me is worth it yeah I'm with you man it's like you know I remember when I started going pretty deep and just looking into different philosophy and you know things like that but still having a biblical basis and stuff and I was just beginning to be vocal about you know all kinds of out-there stuff that I was experiencing versus just keep it to yourself man you kind of you get marked early on it's it gets you get separated by yourself you know it's a way that Satan has a way to sift you have sweet you know to get you by yourself but um I remember hearing so many sermons that like my pastor would say like you know when the Holy Spirit gets you nobody's gonna understand you it's gonna just be you you gotta think the call nobody's gonna understand it but you got to stick with it and then finally when it's like you step into the thing you've been hearing for years and they're like no no no that's not what we meant it's like what do you mean like this is this is my thing this is the call this is what I'm pursuing it always comes full circle as long as you're faithful with it and try not to burn as many bridges as you can which is easy for a lot of people to do you know and whenever that happens of pioneering but again I'm with you about I don't think it's nothing new and or you know we have a lot of people who are into the next stage and and what's coming and things like that so I do think that we're in a transition period but as me personally I'm not trying to like invent new ways or do new things like I want what they had you know what I'm Stan I think we'll be living the Ascended life they had so many cool spiritual technologies that they understood that was their birthright given from God and they walked in it whether it was the Dark Ages or the Reformation and the cat little bit of all of it they just kind of mix this up and we got this weird offshoot brand of Christianity but I think we're we're getting back to it and I've been talking a lot of lately about like people feel like it's new but they're finding these old mystical sects of people I even like look into like the Quakers in the shakers and stuff and how they were like into this mystical realm of sitting in silence until God showed up and then they would have these exuberant ways of worship and dance and praise and stuff and it's like reading about their experiences it's like this was hundreds of years ago these people were getting into this stuff and it's like we're getting back into that or people finding mystics who were part of the Catholic Church and reading some of their stuff about these encounters that they would have and so we feel like we're stepping into it and we're breaking in the new ground but we're just like revisiting some of the stuff that's been lost yeah last month I was with a group of charismatic Catholics in Michigan they wanted me to teach on cloud of witnesses and a bunch of stuff but Vanda hunger in the room and I remember I don't remember exactly what I said but this lady blurts out we we totally understand we're already mystics were Catholics and it's like they have such a history of this yeah there's already a grid and to see them just kind of enter in and for me I was kind of really moved and I said you know I wouldn't be here if it weren't for Catholic mystics I mean they they paved the way for where we are it was what we called the church well no matter what you believe like that's what everything whether they were true believers in there and unbelievers you know the wheat and the tares together whatever you believe like that they were real believers in there at some point and and still are because some people would search all week if they don't believe like us they're different bah bah bah bah like this was what we would call the church right yeah yeah I mean if there was a large crucifix on the stage but if you would if you didn't see that and you were to walk into this meeting you'd never know I mean the worship was just like it's just like I'm at a charismatic conference right and so it's just it was awesome to be with them and experience that yeah it's something about being open and being more inclusive like was that something that you had to come come to terms with would you ever really dogmatic about the faith and about the Bible and about belief systems or went to Bible College being more yeah just listening versus like talking all the time kind of thing or how did that happen for you yeah I mean the Bible College I went to is pretty legalistic and so there you kind of you I kind of caught this hubris about my faith and that man what I believe is really the right thing and it wasn't until that one encounter I referenced in Brownsville that everything changed cuz I mean it really for about four years I was very arrogant about what I believed and if anyone didn't believe like it it's like you're out of the loop and then out of that encounter which really was a love encounter I just was like man wow actually started loving people instead of loving the idea yeah I love the idea of people coming to Christ more than I actually loved people yeah or being right that makes sense yeah being right like I found like it kind of like validates your your unbelief the more people that you can get to believe it you know and I'm saying whether it's whatever doctrine it is you believe or whatever is agreed upon there's a lot of people who are still insecure they don't even know if they believe it themselves but the more people that you can convince or whatever to check that box then it makes you feel a little bit more validated yourself that's the what what what I year was it that you went to to Brownsville again 90 I think is 95 so you'd have the calf get started okay so you had a big change then so that's awesome yeah I was lifted a foot off the ground no one was touching me and I was slammed on the ground Wow and so that got my attention man I remember when I came to the Lord I would spend times in worship and uh and I would feel like I was floating I don't think I ever did but I remember asking a dude who was disciple to me I was like dude is there any stories of like people levitating like during worship because I really feel like about to take off like I'm just out of this world he said no there are none there's no that's not another thing and I was like I was kind of let down little did I know that there are stories of people again went to the Catholic the Catholics and the Mystics he would hover they would fly it would float you know which is interesting you know always just organically felt that there was some kind of mystical versus it all being in your mind kind of thing you know I'm saying you can all see this with your eyes closed and it has no power in physical reality there's a story of Bobby Connor I don't know if you know who that is but he was in Brazil and the stage was like pretty high up like 10 foot stage and he he's just preaching walking around and people are like gasping over and over he's like why is people's problem he had walked off the stage but was floating at the same level of the stage so when he'd come off the stage he wouldn't drop and he'd come back onto the stage you know and he he was kind of underwear but you know thousands of people his room or like what he's levitating 10 feet above the ground wow this some of the experiences that Brownsville I think this we talked about being spoiled I think they spoiled me early on those Brownsville encounters and that's in your backyard yeah when I got born again I really got born again like we would just do after church would we do prayer meetings you know laying hands only people people can fill with the Holy Spirit and we kind of like at church we couldn't wait for church to be over like we love corporate worship and me and everybody but we were kind of recruiting people to like it's almost like the deep people hey you want more this is good yeah but you want more follow us we're going to meet here and we will go we tap in and just man and it's somebody's little apartment somewhere you know and and then we take weekend trips to to Brownsville and kind of like were you talking about like I remember you know sits with me thousands of people you know people couldn't even get into this huge Church you know and it was like 12 o'clock 1:00 in the morning they're ready to go home and so the the ministers and pastors and traveling evangelist who were speaking the stuff and on the prayer teams like they were trying to leave and go to their vehicle and they were like going out through the hallway and there's just a mob of kids chasing them and the kids are just grabbing their coats pulling them pray for me pray for me and he's trying to run and he's almost pushing them off like trying to break loose and he'd turn around and he'd point out him fire fire fire fire and literally they would do they'd fall down and shoot back and hit the wall and then he'd turn around and keep running and then the rest of the kids still standing pray for me pray for me and they'd throw their hands up and try to get him to turn around and fire fire I was one of those kids man like I'm chasing a pray for you wanting somebody to just say a prayer and praying the anointing was so strong and that place like we're talking about being ruined like that set the bar really high so going to church and like being involved with ministries where it was all about rules and regulations or there was no floor unction of the Holy Spirit people weren't getting healed set free delivered you know we would talk about these mystical things and people would tell us not to and don't talk about casting out demons and strongholds and some of the deep far-out stuff that I came into this experiencing that was my normal you know so anything else that didn't you know hit that that plumb line was it fell short you know and I felt like we were being cheated and ripped off even you know yeah and I I just love the Lord just honors hunger and it's not this I think there's an orphan type of a hunger to where we're trying to get something we already have but I'm talking about that true hunger just like I just want to experience more of who you are and I just I love how the Lord just like alright let's do this let's go deeper amazing yeah again like just keeps going deeper and deeper like whatever you can believe for I feel like you can have you know I feel like it becomes real for you you know it's like whatsoever you shall believe you know in my name and so many scriptures about you know whatever you ask for whatever you believe like you know you know anything is it shall be given unto you like who like who are you to tell me what my anything is like you don't know what I've seen you don't know what I've been through so for some people they don't even have like the the frame of reference to ask for or to believe for anything outside of the box and so it really gets weird because like you know I'll I'd say the majority of people haven't even had any mystical encounter they haven't seen an angel they haven't seen a demon they haven't seen it any type of otherworldly being and so but once you step into that and you kind of create this landscape to believe the unbelievable for many people you start having it every day it becomes an everyday occurrence of mystical and far outs and so like I wrote a book and this is full it's just like one of those experiences again should I could write a book on and just be infatuated about God in the mystery but there's so many it was like a spoke in response to the mind I've seen so many far-out things that you wouldn't even believe and I'm sure you have too but uh it's crazy I proudly believe it like so does it does it meet your your level of faith or because sometimes it's like a divine suddenly you're walking on the road to Damascus and boom Jesus shows up and it changes everything and I think that it's usually starts at somewhere like that it starts out of Brownsville I don't want to be here boom here's Jesus hey what's you know we're changing the game if you know and then like from there it kind of like that I think that that experience that encounters a point of reference for new encounters to go deeper and higher how does it what you think it work yeah for sure I mean that that mugging that I had from God I still had to make a choice after that to pursue and so I think if I were to boil it down to one thing its its childlike faith I mean that that to me is the key you know we're not the adults of God with the children of God and so you know for us to have that wonder that playfulness with God and I think religion it's it is very serious and it demands serious attention and so we have people and structures that it doesn't allow space for childlike faith and because there isn't space for that they're not encountering these things that's why Jesus is pointing to kids okay if you want to enter the kingdom come into this stuff you have to be like one of these and so I I just try to keep my spit my my my self in that place of curiosity kind of like the kid who will play in the box not the toy that came in the box yeah it's like they find a whole world in that box it's like I wonder I want to stay there yeah it's deep because it's almost like they're all like coming to Jesus I teach us some more give us some more stuff and I like look don't ask me ask the kids they can teach you more than I can just go learn how the kids are acting you know hang out with them you know that'll Humble you that'll teach you you know I always tell my friends who like speak all over I said if you can speak to kids then you're a good speaker because they're not gonna play around like if if it's not good if it's boring they're gonna tell you it's a whole different world I remember early on like we had they asked us to speak to be over like a group of kids that uh some Children's Crusade was a Vacation Bible School and like we were trying to so we had all that we can either blow all the adults moms but came to the kids were like yeah we're trying to explain these deep concepts oh just ain't working and I knew really quit like hold on this isn't this isn't working you know what I'm saying but the adults we can you know talk it has to be in a way that your spirituality your beliefs and things of that kid you know you could teach it to a kid you know yeah hundred cent right let me ask you about this too because there's a lot of people again I'm a believer I believe in the finished work of Christ and that's my entry point there's a lot of people listening who aren't they haven't had that experience with Christ they're tapping into a lot of mystical experiences without Jesus I think Jesus is a little bit more bigger an inclusive now I think that Jesus is loved that he was loved that became a person I think that anybody who was operating in unconditional perfect love is operating in Jesus that's just how I look at it now because there's Christians who are operating out of hate bigotry jealousy envy strife you know trying to build your ministry whatever and they're not operating in Jesus so but they're Christians and they go by the title it doesn't give them a right because it's different so I think that there's a there's a little bit of a crosses lines there but where do you see that as far as like those people who aren't Christians they haven't had this encounter with Christ obviously ibid people to come in and and and taste and see that the Lord is good because this only way I know to do it but there are people operating in love maybe there maybe they're Buddhists maybe they're into the New Age or something like that what would you say to those people who are so-called leaving their bodies and having an angelic mystical encounters you know and the demons angel everything that that we're talking about they're like yeah I believe it but I just don't I'm not really big on the Jesus thing what would you say to those people I have quite a few friends in witchcraft up once again ninth generation which and so they they have lots of encounters young meetings sometimes they'll come when I'm speaking they're like oh I saw this going on the meeting and it's like and what they're describing is 100% correct and so for some of them they entered through blood and so the blood stuff is huge because really the blood is the way into the heavenly realms and of course it's Jesus his blood is of the highest order and so people can have very real encounters for me it's like it just comes down to the source code it's where's the source code at because again if I'm if I'm being led and it's not the finished work of Christ who is the apex of love and the apex of light that I'm going to be led to other places and so the great thing about Jesus as he said hey when he was on the earth I'm leaving but it's gonna be better because there's one coming and he's our guide you know I would even call him the Great Spirit and you know the Holy Spirit he he's leading us into places of truth and so I can be led into places and it's either gonna be truth or it's not and Jesus's is the full measure of truth that can be known and so there can be pieces of that and so I love it when people are encountering pieces of the truth and then I have an opportunity whether it's a conversation prayer whatever to be like hey this is the power of Jesus in my life and there's opportunities to get to know him and I'll just share one story at this friend that was a witch I started talking about the Great Spirit and she's like ah the Great Spirit yeah you can talk to the Great Spirit like I'd like to talk to Great Spirit and so I'm thinking you know well great spirits gonna lead you Jesus it's what he does and so she anchors the next day called said hey the the colors are brighter the vibrational frequencies are higher as I've talked to the Great Spirit and I was like yeah just keep having conversations with them and so to me it's like if I can help a person see that there there is someone behind all of this that is sustaining all of creation that is holding everything together and that there's an opportunity to connect that's that's amazing yeah I mean we get caught up on the Christian thing or the Jesus thing and the fact of the matter is that's not even his name Jesus like you know we use it know the world knows who were talking about some people have transcended that and they won't even respond to that name your collar on Zeus and just all of these different belief systems and stuff with with the name of Jesus but you can I think love is his name you know what I'm saying is God with us he's here like welling amongst us and and he made a way for us to kind of transcend and overcome our sins and overcome the things that are killing us you know what I'm saying and so that we we don't have to fear we don't have to worry we don't have to you know live in defeat because love became a person and showed us how to do it and did it for us you know just so he bridged that gap and so it's the fruit you know what I'm saying I think at the end of the day it's the fruit I would much rather hang out with a spiritual Hindu then with a carnal Christian I'm just saying yeah I probably have more in common and we have more conversations than arguing with someone who just wants to debate me on philosophy and theology and prove that I'm right and want to know what my tattoos are abomination of God you know all these kind of conversations that it's like I used to be a part of there's conversations just to let you know but at this point I want to go where the love is right as far as like who I have in my circle and what tables that I want to eat from it's love unconditional love no matter what package that comes in and I think I think Romans wanted to talks about that God is showing himself to all all people through nature and through the sunset and through so those people who there are people who were talking to the divine spirit the Great Spirit that is within all and through all and there I think they're talking to the Father God there was a time to tell you the crazy story you know we just remind them they got to go now go ahead we do it's not my story it's a friend but he he lives in the Philippines his wife is Filipino and he makes instruments for a living and then they just kind of shared the goodness of Jesus out of what they're doing and so he has this dream a few years back of this instrument it's like a bowl with probably 60 strings on top and in the stream there's this mountain this guy walks up in the mountain this this guy and so he wakes up and he's googling you can't find anything about this tribe goes to an anthropological centre there like this tribe doesn't exist there's no there's nothing no reference to this tribe so then he starts trying to make this instrument eventually makes it take some like I think six months to actually could get it done and then he's kind of at this bus station or come cheap he's over there and he sees this guy and God says go ask him about the tribe and he says hey have you ever heard of this tribe this guy's eyes get really big goes that's my tribe he's like this is a real tribe he's like yeah there's like a hundred thousand of us in the mountains it's like dude do you have like a chief or something he's like yeah because can I come with you I want to bring a gift so they go up there they almost die on this cliff end up making it there and they get to the chief of the Chiefs and he says I have a gift free and he brings out this bowl and the chief starts freaking out because where did you get this how did you make this because I had this dream boba so that she had one this angel appears known as this blank spot on the wall he says a hundred years ago the guy who made the instrument that you have died and no one's been able to replicate it goes now when that instrument is played the God of all gods shows up that's crazy so that they start to play this thing and then the glory of God fills his hut and he says my friend says hey is there anything we can do for your tribe and my friend had a kind of a Bible sticking out of his pocket and this guy didn't even know it was he goes whatever that book is we want it translated in our language and the God that is the god of that Bible that's the one we want to we want to go after and so dude they translated the Bible this entire village came to Christ but it was this amazing picture that here's this tribe nobody knows about in the middle of the mountains who's having genuine encounters with God and it's like how many more people around the world are having true things happen where we might not think oh that's truly God but yet the God of all gods was appearing to them yeah man Joel Oh Lord said he applied a spirit on all flesh I really think yeah I don't think all flesh means Christians I think though I think that all flesh means means everybody and so I think that some of these spiritual practices and things that were seeing from around the world I think they have a piece of the truth may not have it all figured out I don't think that any of them have it all figured out heck I think even Christianity has a piece of that truth as well you know so I think that we all have a piece of it and so it's about being open and honest and having conversations and you know bringing our pieces to the puzzle together at least that's what works for me you know to find immense peace and joy in my life versus being bitter and always having to be right and having to convert people and you know I bid people taste and see that the Lord is good I can only give you what I got and and what's working for me and I'm gonna share it with you and what's not working what didn't work I'm gonna be open and honest and share that and I feel like that if we all do that then it'll allow us to a sin it will allow us to you know weed out some of those negative patterns and things that we've embraced through Christianity or through whatever religion that you're following that you know was about rules and regulations and dogmas that that weren't of Christ to begin with or for some reason they just kind of weasel their way in and we thought it was Jesus so we thought it was you know how things were supposed to supposed to go one of the big things for me that really helped me in my awakening process it was watched an interview I talk about this a lot with Robert Schuller and Billy Graham and so and I put this at the end of one of my songs just because I wanted to like share with a lot of people but they're talking about this endtime revival and and Robert Schuller asked to be any Billy Graham about that do you think we're gonna see a big endtime revival of all of these last Reformation where all of these people just come into the body of Christ and and they come into the church and all that kind of stuff and but and Billy Graham said no I don't think we're gonna see that he said but what I do think that we're gonna see is that there's people all over the world who are called by his namesake and are part of the body of Christ and they don't even know it he said there's people all across the world and they're part of the body of Christ they just don't know it and he said these are people of the Muslim world of the Hindu world of whatever they may have not even have ever heard of the name of Jesus but they're his and to hear Billy Graham like one of the greatest evangelists of all of our day at the end of his road like he's preached he's probably debated he's talked to every soul he's talked to Gandhi like all of these these people and at the end of his life he said you know what God has a people for his namesake across and they'd you wouldn't recognize them if you've seen him if you just if you're judging him if they carry in a Bible or they name the name of Christ but naming the name of Christ I think it's a little bit more deeper than just saying hey my name's Derrick I'm a Christian name in the name of Christ is like departing from evil it's seeking good it's believing all things you know there's so many things that kind of you know set you apart of being what we will call a Christian walk Kingdom here in the chat says that going off of the quote I said a while ago I'd rather spend time with the spiritual Hindu than a carnal Christian he said that a carnal Christian is not a Christian but a spirit sir Hindu is really a Christian it's about love man it is not about these titles and things and that we've kind of you know this the the sheep and the goats the wheat and the tares coming up together love is the fruit that uh that we all can partake of and that's how Jesus told us the judge judge according to the fruit a good tree is gonna bring forth good for a bad tree just hang around that person long enough and you're gonna partake of it you'll get to see ya man Jesus is amazing man what do you what do you have that you're working on right now what do you what are you promoting right now I have a mystical mentorship we're doing a second round we my friend at ruin both on Donny and I did last May we started what's called Noura which is Aramaic word for light out of Daniel 2:22 and we are doing Noura 2.0 so registration is open for that I have a raising mystics class that just is gonna go registration will go live tomorrow and that's just my wife and I are gonna be helping parents whether they're biological parents or spiritual parents helping them to help their kids process supernatural phenomenon that really comes out of my passion because the stuff I was encountering as a kid to help children see that sustained through their whole life that they don't have to shut that off and become too adult like but can remain childlike their whole life and so just helping parents to do that with their kids and there's a Reformation summit this Friday Good Friday online it's free I'm doing with some friends of mine that we have a thing called Reformation Alliance and so it's it's just a movement that's about helping people to discover whether they're in business government education how to bring Reformation to that sphere so it'll be Friday I think 5:30 Pacific Standard Time and I'm looking forward to that be super fun that's awesome we're gonna go to check that out if you look up the Facebook group kingdom reformers community you'll see it there it'll be posted like on my Facebook stuff too while it's happening live yeah awesome awesome for those who are who are interested in and I say mystical experience or tapping into to Christ or tapping into the Father through Christ what is a good practice what is a good way something that they can do at home for themselves to really have this encounter yeah there's a couple things I can teach people like cuz your your brain becomes kind of the issue and a lot of these things and so you have to retrain your brain to realize the accessibility you have to the kingdom or the heavenly realms and so one thing I'll do is piece of paper construction paper whatever is you know the veil has been torn right Jesus boom the heavens are red they're open so it's ripping a piece of paper walking through that and just declaring I have access to the heavenly realms like it's this easy to walk into this I'm another one is just putting your one foot in water one foot on the dirt again a bucket of water it's like hey I'm I'm seated with Christ in heavenly realms so like that's like the water and my foots here in the earth so I'm in two places at the same time and so you might think what's kind of a interesting but it's like you're training your brain is what's happening which many times is the blockage because your brains like this isn't true this if this can't be happening I can't understand this and it's like your intellect will not take you where faith will I'm all about being intellectual but if we have to understand things first we're gonna have a hard time accessing but he's given us and so again it's that childlike and this is just some childlike playful things we can do with God so our brain can get a clue that's an interesting man because like it's like we need a physical representation of something spiritual like an analogy and Jesus Jesus was like this physical representation of a greater love and he showed us how much you know that that uh love was you know that he gave his own life for us and became a ransom and became sin for us so it's like he's the physical representation of the love of God which is in heaven you know beautiful but yeah those little exercises and things things like that's really cool man bro thanks for hanging out with me glad we got to connect brother and yeah thanks for having if we need to do it again sometime absolutely and you're awesome my brother you to be blessed man thanks so much yeah peace Brian arm ladies and gentlemen Christian mystic mystical experiences and again it's like the Christian mystic and people like what does that mean and because they have these weird ideas of what a Christian mystic is and again at the beginning I said look if you're a Christian you're you've signed on for the mystical experience because Christ's relationship with a god that you can't see with an essence that through faith allows you to see allows you to have the framework for the mystical for the experiences that many of you guys have had have been having so I think for the majority this is nothing new so it's just you finding people you're finding your tribe as some would say you're finding people who are telling your story maybe just using different words the the reason that Brian is doing it doing what he does is why I do what I do is speaking to that younger version of yourself the younger version who was looking for answers who was having mystical experiences and couldn't talk to anyone at church couldn't talk to anyone you had to keep it to yourself don't ask those questions well you find out when you get to heaven that's not for you to know right now but it's a burning desire in you to know these things and I always do always do that man I'll pretend I don't pretend because I know that the younger version of myself is out there listening to this you know I say younger version I know my demographic is not - it's this isn't for teenagers I know who my demographic is but you know those who are in their 20s who in their 30s man do you just shoot I say man we got people maybe the older version of myself there's people who were 50 60 70 year-old tapping into what we're doing you know and they they're now looking for a framework they're looking for references to explain what they've experienced and so there's a huge aspect of what I do is just for that another aspect is what is possible many people don't even know this is possible right in there they want more they're seeking more but there this is it you want more you seek more but you go to a Reformed Baptist Church good luck I need this or nobody the better let's bring it to the light like you only you can't you can't grow beyond you know you can't expand beyond that realm of what you're placed in if you have a a bucket like II was talking about and you pour that living water in the bucket what happens when you reach the top of that bucket you're gonna overflow or you've but you only gonna be able to carry and contain whatever was in that bucket you need a bigger bucket so whatever denomination that you have signed up for you got to know that Christ you got to know that God is bigger than your denomination and that goes for all of them you got to know that and so for you have to expand it because you can't put old wine into new wineskins lest they burst we're trying to carry the new wine in an old wine skin it's gonna break its gonna burn just like if you try to fill a bucket up most of us like we fill up a dumb old flimsy buckets and you're walking around with it the handles break off you can't even carry it it's just got to stay there because you can't you're gonna spill the water out so you have to understand that really I think what the mystical experience shows you is that yeah you can carry that water but God is not just that water God is the bucket God is the table that the bucket is sitting on God is the house that the table is in God is the foundation God is the earth God is the he's in all and through all so you have to zoom out we're all zoomed in we have to zoom out and understand that God is more inclusive and he's bigger than just my portion or what what I'm into or what I believe and so that's the entry point for a lot of people is that they come into this understanding that they thought they had it all figured out I thought I knew I thought I knew man now it's a like you know in our men's retreat some years ago going into it otherworldly medicine experience and I was I remember looking at drew I thought I knew man I thought I knew I didn't know nothing and it just gets deeper and deeper and deeper and more mystical and it's beautiful though but again those experiences are about going in grabbing something and applying it to your life being a better person Manley P Hall I love them he says if the state of you of your dog isn't better if his living conditions aren't better then your spirituality is in vain if dad still kicks the dog on the way out the door his church service meant nothing how many people do you know this was a big thing that after church service they had a good heard a good word a good message to her god they get in the car they start fighting it's like they just holding it in they holding that evil in during the service maybe they want help but they get into the car they just are arguing you're slapping the kids and throwing stuff and arguing with I've seen them em you it has your spirituality your change your repent you have to bring forth meat worthy of repentance you're not a better person your religious beliefs your conspiracy theories have kind of made you bitter it made you live in fear they've made you live in worry and doubt you are not a better person you need to check what you believe at the door because you're paranoid you're the only one with the truth you and your church y'all the only ones that got it you know all of these things that hold on man this ain't the way it's supposed to be well brother that Bible says that only a few a few people are getting into the kingdom and it's all and you think the few is you and your church man if you don't get out of my face with that all of it that's every religion that's every denomination that they're the only ones that write in the end all right and then the other ones the way that they do it is wrong anybody has any questions let me know I'll try to answer them here in the in the chat we've just done over an hour thanks everybody for hanging out but if you guys have any questions about anything shout out to Delvin Xavier love learn grow Ally walk Kingdom geez bees is a bunch people Christie Martha I'll shout out Ali jeez B says our tattoos Christian I don't think they are I don't think that tattoos are Christian you can have a tattoo that reminds you of your Christianity I have a tattoo that says testify it's from the p OD album I love that testify so I don't think your tattoos are Christian but you can have a tattoo that reminds you of your Christianity they're symbols they are things that we have in our life of necklaces and trinkets and pictures of Jesus or a cross necklace I don't think your cross necklace is a Christian Christian necklace I think that cross necklace reminds you of the finished work that Christ did for you on the cross so they're they're reminders so I think that uh think that's how it works I don't think that you can have a Christian we used to be really big in the music like when I was in the bands and stuff when I played in metal bands and we had was like are you a Christian band are you Christians in a band is that a Christian band or are you Christians like well if the lead singers a Christian then they're a Christian band a we used to like book shows and stuff and I have to book shows at churches and be like well I think the lead singer is a Christian so they're there for their Christian band and these little hoops and is that Christian is this not is this God is it that's not I think we have to get away from that is in and judged by the fruit at the end of the day the fruit I think is love its peace its long-suffering this gentleness meekness like the fruit of the Spirit look at what that is and you find people who aren't Christian but they're walking in those fruits and and they they have the heart within them which the Bible talks about as cries out Abba Father they know that they need a Savior that's what the thing that uh that Billy Graham was talking about there's these people all over the world they know that they need something outside of themselves they don't know what it is but they're trying and maybe they got involved in a different religion or a different belief system maybe they're in a a you know they're not religious but they're in a a well you know what God's responding to a cuz you know what a a works the system works if you work it no matter what it is your Christianity works if you work it your New Age works if you work it your Buddhism works if you work it you know what I'm saying but any of them but again if their works if you work it the right way if it's leading you towards love that's working not leading you to be a hateful person you know a bigot scared of people who are different than you any of that stuff I it really is about being more inclusive at the end of the day love keeps no records of wrong love does not boast you know read Corinthians it talks about love what love is and you give you a good idea of what God is so let's see here yeah we taught my Browns oh man we had so many cool experiences at Brownsville and it really set the bar high for me and my uh my Christianity like that was the that was the plumb line man Loveland Gro says could you pray brother I have been attacking others just cuz they don't believe the same exact not about being right at the end of the day is about walking in love Jesus says have you dabbled with the idea of being a Mormon not even one time maybe looking into the story of Joseph Smith and some of the interesting things if he says I looking at the idea of angelic contact and so he talks about these angels and who appeared to him and brought him some tablets and things like that so I could pray for sure choose your battles wisely I mean there is a time where you need to stick up for what you believe and you need to you know clear people out of your your life if they're not you know if they're pulling you down you know what I'm saying you got to examine yourself to make sure that you're in the faith and examine your relationships but tolerance is huge well I remember seeing the when the bumper stickers came out that coexist and it was around 2012 that I was like man I fell in love with it you know just the idea of coexisting with others because and not because it was big for me because I was like very judgmental I was very dogmatic so to be open and be able to be around these person to live with these people and not want to debate to want to talk them out of their belief systems or tell them why it's demonic or whatever the case is once I came to that understanding it was so much peace entered in my life so I got a coexist I think I had a t-shirt I had a bumper sticker but all my Christian friends were freaking out do coexist what do you mean coexist you're saying that all these ways are right you're saying that all these ways are different ways to God not all spokes lead to the same wheel why are you saying that it's like hold on I'm not saying that I don't know I've never been a Muslim I don't know where that road leads I've never been a Hindu I don't know where that wrote so no I'm saying with the bumper sticker saying we need to coexist we need to live together peaceably and I found scriptures in the Bible that says if it's that possible strive to seek peace with all men and so the Bible says that the Bible talks about coexists live peaceably with all men then I found another scripture Paul said look speak evil of no man and I found out that that's what that's what we were doing debating and saying what was right and what was the right way and what when you know which religion is right we're speaking evil of people we're distancing ourselves from people because they believe differently and it was going on within Christianity and it was going on in our denomination and it was going on with the religion and all of that stuff so coexist living peaceably what people I think it shows a lot of long-suffering I think it shows a lot of temperance it shows a lot of patience which is the fruit of the Spirit because you know those people who can't do it and maybe you yourself can't do it right now but I should be something you can work on and just engage in those conversations man not to prove what you know that you're right or to convert somebody or whatever the case is but just to be a good person man be a good person but I will go ahead and end this episode with a prayer for anybody who is dealing with that in general and just whatever else that you're dealing with because we're dealing with the strange and perilous times right now but we do have a peace in Christ that surpasses all understanding the world didn't give it and they can't take it away so be of good cheer Jesus says I've overcome the world and we have this peace so father I just thank you for your love God I thank you for your grace that you extend freely to those Lord who would receive it well I just pray that whoever's listening to this who needed that they would just position their hearts right now in a position to receive your love wherever they are steady now their hearts right now just to receive your love to receive your grace and your peace that flows freely from heaven freely from heaven down to our hearts Lord Father that their hearts would be open and it would continue this be a conduit Li that would continuously be a conduit for your love to flow to them and threw them to other people they don't have to be right they don't have to win an argument they don't have to win a debate but it could just walk in love Lord and you said that love covers a multitude of sins Lord long-suffering they can't talk to any anyone out slow they already have a bad taste in their mouth for Christians and church people and they stay away from those people for good reason Lord that my friends who are listening to this would be a standard that they would change the narrative for the way that the world looks at Christianity or the world that looks at followers of Jesus I pray the Lord that you just released that upon them spirit of long-suffering peace being more patient in Jesus mighty name I pray amen and amen love you guys Kristy posted a scripture says Mark 938 jesus said who is new so ever is not against this is for us amen good stuff y'all thanks for hanging out really enjoyed this episode been trying to make this work with Bryan Orme for some time now it was cool to be able to finally do it so it's really cool got a bunch of awesome interviews lined up we're gonna stay faithful with the work that God has given us and bringing some really cool stuff to the table I'm still working on some courses and my own things that uh I'm trying to get out to really articulate some of the ways that we engage with the spirit I'm working on like it's it's kind of crazy I need to focus but I'm working at about 17 different things at one time and with that being said it's inching on there's not a lot of stuff getting accomplished with that but I just try to be with that I just try to like whatever the inspiration that comes to me whatever it is like it has to go to a certain yet they're like put it in a filing cabinet and compartmentalize it okay this goes to that okay this goes to that verse is sitting down and trying to get all the info 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