Engaging The Prophetic | Joshua Fluman
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what's going on my brother welcome to
the show yeah bro man you've been
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so we're gonna hear about your story
tonight we have a lot of stuff in common
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you are a one who practices the
spiritual giftings and called to be a
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Josh what do you get started with your
spiritual awakening meaning Jesus that
had come together what came first tell
us a little bit about your story I would
say I've probably been a disciple what I
call it a second though an actual
follower of Christ you know trying to be
transformed or around me transformed by
and about four years ago I was stuck in
a religion in mind year for 20-25 27
years and so I'm still going through the
process of unlearning all the stuff that
I learned in religion and having the
Lord reprogram my mind to the point
where like okay this is okay this is not
but this is okay because I'm using this
specific his power in us the enemy's
power and Slade Slade this reprogramming
it's it's been a truck I think that's
like when we're talking about awakening
and this is probably universal but
definitely coming out of the church
realm there's a lot of unlearning that
has to be done what you've told touch
not taste not stay away from this as as
if the Kingdom of Heaven was in metre
drink right we we understand that best
from the Scriptures that it's not but
we're told these rules and regulations
and then we're told once we do the
studying that most of it's wrong like
we've been told just the opinions of men
and it's okay to have opinions I mean
it's okay to kind of to say you don't
know but we come from a place where it's
absolutes and this is truth and this
isn't and if you deviate you're in
trouble so talk a little bit about that
that unpacking process because there's
gonna be a lot of Christians who litter
listen to this and then there's gonna be
people who are Chris
have no idea what we're talking about
but the process is similar so talk about
like some of those ideas that you had to
say okay because I know we're kind of
generalizing like okay I can go into
this not that this is what he's using
but what are some of them specifically
of things that you dogma you learned
from the church that you had to kind of
let the Lord we teach you on back a
little bit so then kind of get a bit
bigger picture um whatever I was I wanna
say it was like 18 or 19 - my prophetic
gifting really started to start started
coming apparent to me because I know I
don't even know how I just found out
about it just started happening and I
guy I was at church and I think it was
doing I think was soon after like you
ever heard of ATF your qualifier oh heck
yeah yeah what's the guy's name
I have no Ron Lou my mom Ron Luce that
sounds right I think so
well I think that was like 107 79 I
actually had a I actually had a 30
second dish experience with the Lord at
ATF that prevented me from going fully
atheist so like skip for a little bit so
I was like 19 and I was realizing that I
had this gifting - since fierce no mind
you I had no idea how I knew I just I
felt things and no one was there so I
just automatically assumed it was fierce
no and Lafon you know going away when
got the club Yatta Yatta
silence illinois spirit for a few years
and then skip forward a little bit and
you know i just become a actual disciple
and this was probably like March or
April of 2014 and actually no it was
probably like in November of 2013 after
my divorce feels like right when that
happened like my prophetic gifting just
came on full full force like I knew new
things were going to happen in a certain
one
that came to fun back into the phone for
family and that continued to collect two
years so that that was almost like me
waking up is I had no prophetic training
at all period so I was saying this
thing's gonna happen and it happens or
you know I didn't really say I was very
generalized like I was I would tell my
dad or my parents Oh something's gonna
happen
you know in this one to me but again I
was still very self not really
self-conscious obviously he's I'm very
selfish I always thought it was me me me
yes and I were during this process I was
at my sister's birthday party it was
September I was near the end of a
month-long fast and I had always I had
always wanted you know cried myself one
to get my parents the first grandchild
was I realized they know just went
through a divorce that's probably not
gonna happen I in my heart I loved I
released her to be you know to want to
give my parents their first grandchild
right then the Lord said she's gonna get
a pregnant out of town almost a year
later she's having that child
nope you know during that time you know
there were there was a time where the
Lord would say five months then the
violence later she announced that she
was pregnant and then like a little
after that the woman says his six months
and then at that six-month period he was
he was being born and he was like things
like five or six weeks young preemie
everyone was freaking out that uh you
know that uh he was a preemie and due to
like a complication with her with her
pregnancy
yeah I'm just perfectly fine like he is
gonna be okay my my uh my family's like
how do you know that because the Lord
will tell me if if no something went
wrong that one home prophesied prayed
and her seen in five 30 45 minutes that
everything would go so
the doctors and nurses would be amazed
next morning birth goes smoothly doctors
and nurses are amazed now they can that
kind of continues as I as I grew and
matured in the in no mind you I'm still
very you know I'm still very low and on
the maturity because I I have a I'm a
mentor that's like six years my junior
but he is a lot more mature than I am
sewing I'm learning all these things and
all this stuff all this stuff that's
going on that I know about or all these
different little areas of the Lord
straining me on like how to you'll
understand my dreams yeah I don't
understand visions that I know that it
gives me there or that I see and you had
no no training nobody up until 2014 no
okay
you know 2014 I actually started going
to a church that time it's the pastor is
actually a world-renowned or actually he
troubles around the world based really
mainly not nationally renowned and the
Lord kind of use that as my prophetic
training a little bits or I'm actually
at one because you know I have never
grown so much in that three and a half
years I was there for than the 27 years
prior so it's all just like have keep
showing me how to understand that all
the different symbolisms of different
things in my dreams and the innovations
trying to not only say control but be
able to see one it's my imagination it's
going crazy because I'm just doing
something versus that's something that
the Lord's given me and this is what's
going to happen or finding or seeing
something that I think is accidental but
wait a second that was a vision and then
since yeah that's the tricky far right
and we're not taught and and about being
taught man I really think that's what
the Scriptures speaking of when it says
that the Spirit of the Prophet is
subject unto the prophets like there's
things that go on in your head oh that's
just your imagination
oh don't worry that's your imagination
but I know that's that's your prophetic
utterance that you're outfitting
giftings you're seeing these visions and
you're feeling these sensations in your
body different things like that a pastor
might not know what the hell you're
talking about yeah it's gonna take a
prophet someone who's been through that
someone who has empathy for younger
people we look in the scriptures in the
Old Testament they had a school of the
prophets where they would teach the
prophets like this is what you do this
is how it operates but now it's tricky
because most of us are kind of left on
our own to figure it out like there's so
much weird we've talked about Dogma no
no that's a broad statement dogma but
there's so much of control and this is
the way things are and if you're a
threat to that you're out of here that
type of stuff but when you're dealing
with the prophetic man all bets are off
it really are yeah there's things that
work and there's things that help but
somebody stuff is hard man it's all it's
tricky it gets kind of squirrely
especially when ever has to do with a
fellowship that doesn't know anything
about the prophetic or it doesn't even
know and and you know and then no mind
you I didn't have this happen to me but
I've heard of different people finding
out you know that you know they're
either and prophetic that they they are
called to hold the office of a prophet
or hold the office of a seer and they're
having all these things happen in the in
the things they know and then the church
he kicks them out or give them a hard
time because he's like you're a psychic
I see there's a difference there
psychics use the wrong here's the wrong
power the wrong energy and they don't
use Jesus as the door versus you know
seers prophets anyone who has that
prophetic gifting actually I guess to
the
since probably would be a co-product is
just prophetic people can only go so far
versus you know the prophets and seers
have it the full range but they gotta
understand the church has to understand
and it's it's slowly growing mind you
I'm not trying to put the tradition but
they have to understand that though the
prophets and seers who were wanting and
wanting to use if I heard that before
the Lord they're using the horsepower
everything in Jesus name
but if know anyone who has been
classified as a psychic they're you know
they're using the you know it's
basically there's Satan's power how else
can you say you know in some groups I
guess like ours can say that you know
well I have a friend I've got I've got
I've got a good friend Christie Lee she
just started calling herself a psychic
and that's and that's only by title of
one uses the psyche - yeah you know I'm
saying in in so if we are to classify
even the gifts of the Holy Spirit within
the Bible like you're probably gonna get
more teaching from a clairvoyant psychic
than you will from a local church that's
that's the sad that's a sad thing for
the the church realm yes but the way the
Holy Spirit speaks there's not a lot of
teaching on it biblically we can say
that a lot of it is we get examples
though we get examples of the still
small voice we get examples of the
feeling enough seeing and be able to
smell and feelings in your body
like that's clairaudience Clara
sentience clairvoyant clear vision like
this is something that's commonly known
in the psychic world but when we start
talking about this stuff in the church
because it's because of the terms exact
only thing the church is calling this is
word of wisdom and
of knowledge like it any there's other
ways to interpret in ways to receive it
so that's piques my interest to like
hold on Jesus is talking about being
clairvoyant or st. Claire audience we
never earlier he knew exactly exactly
100% whatever I read like you know I
don't know how many times I had I had
gone over God with his verses but
whenever I was there was a time I wasn't
last year was a couple years ago where
the Lord had me read over all four of
the Gospels like Matthew made with me
made me read it seven times before he
graduated me to mark and whenever I'm
still I stay in Matthew bro wait a
second mark Luke go back to the same
he's noting their thoughts in today's
church again oh you know my thoughts
your psychic you're out
I'm prophetic the words giving me the
stuff yeah yep and you see where it was
needed and and I actually have a some
scriptures that I actually mapped out in
Matthew in that same chapter which I
think it's chapter nine I want to say I
went over these notes the other day I
think so I've got two written down but
um he talks about and it was the Lord
had me go back and read Matthew and show
the importance of spiritual gifts and
while we need them and write down the
examples and I came to that instance or
whatever and it showed the the word of
knowledge that came forth and then it
went on to show that a miracle came
forth and then he was able to win them
over through the signs and wonders and
then they all began to glorify God when
healing and awarded knowledge came forth
and stuff and this was like something
that he used and then we see it you
don't say I'm being used more times in
the scriptures as well and it shows you
the need for it and
and the need is because obviously
there's people of all faiths and all
walks of life who listen to this show
but when we're talking about the church
dealing with the spiritual giftings and
psychic abilities and things like that
yeah because people are having these
encounters people like yourself in
church and me and many others the church
doesn't really have an answer form they
tell them it's demonic they demonize it
and then so guess who has a an answer
form the New Agers oh yeah let us
yeah that's clairvoyance let me show you
how to operate in that mmm this is the
church's role that's why we have to we
have to we have we have to kind of stand
up man the spirit of the Prophet is
subject to the Prophet and we can't hold
the pastor liable they have no idea like
I say what we're talking about they've
never experienced that stuff they don't
even know this stuff yeah that's why
it's demonic because they think it's
what's repackaged in this Christian
cookie-cutter way some of the visions
and dreams we get would seem demonic
they're scary when nightmares there's
people being ripped apart there's
earthquakes and famines and snakes and
alligators and all the symbolism then
prophets get in their dreams man yeah
they don't know what we're talking about
and then here we are you know trying to
make sense of things but that's why
there are churches out there Bethel
Church is a big one and there are a lot
of churches now that embrace the
prophetic and teach teach younger people
so we can say that none of them but
they've there definitely is a lot out
there but its dominance it's as few and
far between it's not you can't just go
to any church and say hey I had a dream
last night that this happened to the
church and I feel like it's a sign from
God
they'll rebuke you and send you packing
I've had it happen yeah definitely ouch
yeah I know like you know the Lord
blessed me by sending me to the church I
was up for three and a half years and
it's better than because I know whenever
I was nineteen twenty and two coming up
with a realization that I had this
gifting and I went to psychics because I
didn't I was not aware
anyone in my trusted circle the time
that had the gifting that could help me
so of course you know I did the only
thing that I knew how to you wasn't the
greatest idea but whatever you know it
got me to work eventually got me to
where I needed to be so now all you know
on functioning correctly and you know
yeah I just wish that there was more
avenues for those who do have the
gifting and it's getting out there just
sometimes it kind of it it sends me that
it's not as much as it should be but no
that's the kind of that's the main idea
of my channel is it people broken from
religion can't think of you can't think
of everything that's that you know that
happens these days oh my gosh this
demonic look at you do you know your
father okay they look at what he know
look at what's saying yeah think the
event that happened does it look like a
characteristic of him no it doesn't
mm-hmm [Â __Â ] it again pray to him
mostly I I've noticed that a lot of
times when they're not sure of something
they they say that they say they pray
and they really haven't and it's it's
laziness but you know you still got a
loving and kind of just kind of push
them and teach them the correct way yeah
it's it's sucks because like a lot of
times there's a threat there you like
you actually become a threat to their
structure so you know you have I'll say
this all the time
you now have what they used to have like
they had that fire God used to speak
through them now they just kind of going
through the motions they know how to
play Church they know how to move a
crowd they know how to give a good
message or whatever right you you learn
how to do these things and so when when
a young person comes and they have the
fire of God and God's really using them
when they pray things happen
when they speak to spirits they leave
you know what I'm saying and so people
in the congregation naturally will kind
of gravitate towards that person and the
pastor the Deacons they're envious of
that I'm telling you man it gets it gets
it gets crazy I've seen it happen with
me I'm saying not just me but I've seen
it I've seen it with other people too
and you become a threat because now
we're not looking to the pastor we're
looking to brother so-and-so in the
congregation and and then they have ways
of stopping that and it's usually
ghosting or pulling you to the side or
asking you not to pray for people
anymore like all kinds of stuff you know
yeah some people don't pick up after
that yeah they stay wounded yeah Wow I
actually not pretty sure I know that
once that happens and that that creates
a bad what's that word looking for bad
wound hmm towards the church and you
know that's probably why a lot of people
doing go to church period regardless you
know regardless of what kind of gifting
them they there is a wound and they just
automatically think that that's what the
church is all about and they don't want
to go back but and that's what's again
that's neat learning it's really
difficult as finding that church that's
the fellowship that we're supposed to be
with and but also remember at the same
time is we're human we make mistakes and
you know this word forgiveness comes in
but that's that's it's yeah you got to
show the same grace that was shown to
you man you know in those situations and
uh you know it's all it's all a learning
process people who people so it's about
learning from that stuff and moving on
as quick as you can and not trying to
operate out of hurt or out of I mean you
learn you have to guard your heart you
learn to guard your heart that's good
you learn not to just trust any spirit
or any person
because they can present it better or
they have followers or they have you
know in anything like I've seen it man
even just on like the Yum center the
Facebook and YouTube gurus and stuff who
have their own following and like I've
seen those people show their bad side
you know and but at the end of the day
we're all human we're only human and
it's part it's part of learning and
growing so so when so you said this was
2014 when you started kind of taking it
to the next level with it with the
psychic abilities or if you even want to
call it I don't care myself transcend of
it I don't care it's also under I I go
back and forth between the warnings I
pairs are you talking to really well
that and also it's like you know I can
call it you know or fed a gifting I can
call it psychic and it's like giftings
or whatever but sometimes I do it just
to kind of mess with the the religious
spirit mm-hmm it's like you know you're
talking to someone and you say psychic
ability or you say empath ability and
they automatically you know just kind of
where the the religious Pharaoh my
career's it's on its head and you kind
of say nothing of it this way this this
this this you're like oh yeah it's about
2014 that's whatever was like March or
April 2014 whenever I had the the
shackles of religion broken off my
because I love friend Aaron he pulled me
in and I got me into the job I am and
now and you knew that was a metalhead so
you know either why don't you check out
this band I was they've ever heard of a
head from corn yeah sorry I started
listening to his music dive religion guy
yeah loves his music even like you know
and I started listening then
I looked up his his testimony and that's
what did it for me he is not a listen to
his judgment like this is awesome
and then it clicked with me you didn't
go to the make him remove his tattoos
his piercings or is makeup yeah so why
would Lord make me do that and at that
point it just clicked for me I'm like I
can be your way ever yeah I can be Who I
am and how the war it made me I'm like I
can get another tattoo for one hanging
three engagement my piercings if I want
I can grow my hair round from one and
wear makeup for once he is untied in the
Lord's name and for him was like you
know I screw this about it yes that was
that point everything just exploded for
me I know like I had my during what's
that during the previous year I was
going through a lot of depression or
whatnot you know during the year of what
I called the year of hell whenever I was
going through my divorce and I was I had
no these symptoms of bipolar disorder I
was never classified with the thank God
but I had my last little episode in in
early 2014 and then about six months
later and I think it was either
September or October don't remember
exactly was when I once but I was
crawling down the hallway of my
apartment and the this extreme heaviness
of depression was upon I just got pissed
off somehow screen Jesus so loud that
surprised my neighbor didn't hear me all
right wouldn't happen instantly all the
depression left I haven't dealt with
since and so like at that point okay so
this I can now combat depression and do
this and do that in at the same time you
know all my dreams are coming full
throttle you know it was 2015
I had a season during during the summer
where I was having three or four dreams
at night
I must say though that other than you
know like knowing when things aren't
going to happen visions and and dreams
there are some giftings that we have
that I didn't really get to experience
until like later on so it's but it was
it was a trip but I I'm still learning
bro yeah exactly mine started it man
mine started what maybe 2003 you know in
the church realm anyway it started way
before that when I was into dark
witchcraft and stuff like that get it
getting into that but as far as the
prophetic opening up in the in the
church learning it was 2003 and I'm
still learning I would be allowed
further if if we would have those
mentors and I had some mentors but for
the most part they were learning you
know and all they could show me was what
they've been shown and a lot of it was
kind of new for them too but we had we
had we had a school of the Spirit here
and this kind of reminiscent of what
we're trying to do with the school of
mystics right yeah we had a school of
the Spirit in every every Friday night
they would have prophets come in town
from like you know saying Mike Bickle
all the other big-name prophets who
travel the Prophet circuit I guess you
want to say that a people who's on the
Elisha list and stuff like that and
they'd come down every Friday night and
you get words but it but then it
eventually got into like you were you
wanted somebody to prophesy over you
every time you went to work and now
you're just like what just go what does
God have for me and like pray for me and
you know you start chasing this stuff or
whatever even though it's beautiful this
is awesome especially when it's new to
you but it's like you got to start doing
something with the information that
you're getting yeah you got to start
putting it to use if you don't it's
gonna become stagnant and you're not
gonna grow and actually getting able to
get to the next level you're not you
have to the information that comes
through you have to step out in faith
you have to release it you have to
intercede over it I mean whatever role
that you're called to be in you have
you have to actually step out in faith
yeah the the image and or like warning I
got as you're saying that was like we
have to get out of the arms of our
Father and you know being being carried
and started walking mm-hmm we have to
start walking on ourselves rather than
having everything being given to us yep
exactly man dude I'm gonna tell you what
I keep trying to find this episode but I
was I was home one one day sick and this
was probably two dollars probably that
same time and 2004 2003 I was home from
work sick and I stayed home and I'm just
flipping through television and I watch
I was watching Sesame Street I just
happen to stop and I felt like it was
God he's like hey watch this for me and
I got to show you something at home by
myself a grown grown man watching Sesame
Street and in this particular episode
was uh what the segment was called baby
bear learns to skate and uh and and I'm
watching it and the Lord speaks to me
and says okay your baby bear
I'm Papa Oh God okay put on this your
skates I don't know how to put them on
can you help me sure I'll help you he
picks him up puts the skates on them
he's like okay we're gonna learn to
skate is I know I'm afraid I'm afraid to
skate I'm gonna fall down I'm gonna hurt
myself oh if you fall down you'll be
okay if you fall I'll catch you and it's
like everything that this character on
the show okay Papa Bear was telling baby
bear God was speaking in my opening me
up and speaking in my spirit I'm sitting
here watching Sesame Street by myself at
home ball and tear shaking holy glory
all over me I'm like what is happening
right now and like from start to finish
he's just like reassuring them I'm
scared papa I'm a father I said look I'm
gonna teach you I'm gonna hold your hand
but eventually you're gonna soar you're
gonna go out there by yourself and
you're gonna be able to skate all you
want and you're gonna be able to do it
without me because I taught you and I
was like oh my god I'm getting chill
start thinking about it now
was so prophetic man and it was like the
beauty that God uses whatever he wants
to talk to us we'll listen he'll speak
through any circumstance any situation
in any any person man that's that's the
beauty of this this dance that we're in
with God is that he uses everything so
then the psychic stuff doesn't look that
scary anymore though you know I'm able
co-host the psychic talk show I'll run
I'll run the boards and everything on
Kristy Lee show but she lets me come in
and I'll give prophetic words to these
people and I pray over them and yeah
Jesus name they start crying
healed I'm on a psychic show man you
don't and it's about friends and
transcending the labels or Xavier that
oh my god people are gonna see me on a
psychic show and and they're gonna not
follow me anymore or whatever the case
is but it's like we have to be strategic
we have to be wise a serpent's man
harmless as doves to kind of be able to
move into these realms around because
people are dying and they're not going
to church man church attendance is down
so much and the church thing is like at
this point us four and no more like we
have our club and if you don't do this
you're not in it you have to feel like I
put on a monkey suit and go be somebody
I I have to be a hypocrite most of times
to go to church like because I have the
word hypocrite is playing multiple roles
in a in a play and uh and I feel like I
have to put on a mask to go there and if
I wish to be like hey I'm what do you do
I do this I do that I do a podcast you
know you talk about aliens yeah you talk
about psychedelics yeah you can't do
that hey brother please God hey man look
God's good I want to tell you he's doing
a work in my life you have to like put
on plate put on this roll and uh and and
that's that's not of God at all
you trying to be somebody else when you
are fearfully and wonderfully created he
put those things in you for a reason
you're into tattoos you're into art and
creativity and and and makeup and things
like that for a reason you know what I'm
saying but you we have to find out who
we are man and and once but that's the
desta key because once we find out who
we are
then nobody can tell us who we are
because we already know and somebody
tries to call you outside of your name
or call you outside of your character
you won't respond to that because that's
not who you are or it shall by no means
harm you the words that they say about
you that's why we talk about reading the
Bible and in the scripture getting into
the scriptures because it's a mirror
we're able to spend time with the father
as we're reading the scriptures and
we're gazing into a mirror of who we
truly are
I've heard all types of stuff about Who
I am okay father
let me see who you say I am oh you this
your dad you're the apple of my eye yeah
I would leave the ninety nine to come
after you I'm pursuing you I have I'm
pursuing you with a reckless furious
love and then like it's the real deal he
is he loves me but it's so easy to start
believing the naysayers and oh yeah yeah
you know you had a successful ministry
years ago but God stopped using you the
anointing left I mean we look at people
and I'm I'm gonna I'm an example
obviously but we look at people who've
gone before us even like Jason Upton one
of the most beautiful prophetic worship
leaders out there he went through a
season where he started writing songs
about him and his son his relationship
and he wrote a fun song about him and
his his son wrote a song about their dog
okay and any sung it in Indian the blogs
and the church folks a religious spirit
they say he lost his anointing and God's
not with him anymore now he's singing
about the dogs and hanging out the
window and having fun and it's like this
is so weird man like you got you have to
know who you are cuz if you don't you'll
be able to be moved about who they say
you are by the opinions of men and
that's that's what it actually building
upon this foundation man which is Christ
you know like right after I came out of
the clubbing scene I would I know I
thought that that Gothic think you know
side of me was was completely sinful so
I I started changing myself to how
everyone thought I was supposed to be
and you know I still had my period
and I still wanted to choose but then
whatever started dating I'm starting my
ex you know I I just full-on completely
change myself to the planet Eire note
the remove the piercings and I like no
more tattoos and that started killing me
inside literally he like over think I
don't know how long but by the time and
by the time that relationship was over I
had realized that I was dead inside no
no not just spiritually he's not stuck
in religion but also soulish like that's
that makes sense
like by my inner self which is
completely dead as I am there was
supposed to be like and like for example
at you it was a one through period about
four or five months after after the
divorce in October of 2013 that I church
taught for a long but just you know just
gonna find my place and I started going
to this one church and my parents had
suggested me trying and I know it was it
was okay it was it was alright and one
thing was one Wednesday went there you
know I had my spiked bracelet on
anything I had makeup on I don't
remember my Gothic boots on you know
just like I was goth down yeah and I
forget what the preacher was talking
about oh yeah he was talking about non
biblical statistics which was great you
know there's a lot of the churches and
know that and at the end he was like I
feel like someone's wanting to come back
from the occult I want to give the time
I when he give the opportunity for
someone to do this is like all sweet yes
excellent
watch.watch nothing on people need done
people who don't come out yeah so you
know he went to the back of the church
you know as you create or do as he
granted everyone whatever they're
leaving I came out to him like I want to
you forgiving those statistics because
not everyone knows that he looked at me
don't pound it man I used to hate that
going up to the UH to the altar for
prayer you know and then they're trying
to lead you to Christ eight years vote
like what still you know what I'm saying
that's so funny man I tell you this so I
got a story for you okay if anybody
wants to call in and join the discussion
you guys can do that too
I have shared this a couple times but I
think it's fitting my brother-in-law
back when he was in high school he went
to he was in the demon hunter he had the
demon hunter t-shirts and all that stuff
right and and their symbol is a it's
supposed to be a demon head skull with a
bullet in the forehead
right I've actually got demon hunter
tattooed on me for those watching this
is a Kinzie Oriental demon hunter
they're watching a video but he went to
this church it was a backwoods church in
backwoods Alabama Tim revival or
something and he goes there with another
friend who listens to that kind of stuff
and he visited visited with a friend and
they they called him out they said hey
son uh how do you have the audacity to
wear that shirt wear that shirt in
church that shirt with that with that
demon skull on it you should be ashamed
you should know better power God's here
you know and he said no this is a
Christian band he said I don't know
you've been lied to young man that's not
a Christian band you've been lied to us
demonic and you shouldn't wear it in the
house of God they made him take his
shirt off in the congregation he had to
take his shirt off and then they prayed
for him and they kept they tried to cast
demons out of him they were holding him
down to the floor pouring anointing oil
in his mouth they're praying in the Holy
Ghost they're shaken they're Jesus
they're going through the motions the
religious people like some people could
do that religiously like this they just
do it it's their song and dance right
they do it in a upon anointing all in
his mouth casting
demons out of them and and and he's just
like hey no I'm a Christian like no
you're not
it's insane and this dis dude is still a
Christian to this day he still
faithfully goes to church and everything
man but it's crazy how weird stuff like
that happens man in these in these
churches man and uh it's insane somebody
in the chatroom hit dog dogs whiskers he
said lmao pouring the anointing all in
his mouth WTF kind of s is that yeah
dude we've seen some weird stuff in
these churches and in the prophetic
realms man and then some people use it
for for manipulation yeah you know they
they use did they know how to do that to
shake you out of your last dime you know
they it's it's crazy man it just crazy
that the stuff that we've seen in the
church is out or not of God and I can't
go there and sit sit quietly anymore
like I couldn't do that I couldn't go
there and watch it now and be okay with
it I have to say something like I've
done that I've what I've protested
outside of churches like I've been
through many different phases man I was
and and and I've been a rebel of those
who preach stuff contrary to the truths
and I've done all that stuff right I've
tried those who claim to be apostles and
or not but are false the prophets like
the revelations you know I'm saying I've
done that and uh it gets it gets so
weird man it comes down to simplicity
though bro you know it comes down to
just the work that God has done in your
heart through Christ man and and that
should be available for for for anybody
who you're dealing with regardless of
religion or regardless of race or creed
and so with you being obedient to the
Holy Spirit he could send you places
that nobody is gonna is gonna reach that
nobody that you've got you're gonna be
able to win people to his glory that
would never stop a foot inside a church
I mean look at something as as
I'm hosting this podcast from my bedroom
and I've been doing it for a long time
you know and it's finally getting wheels
behind it you know it at first like it
was it was a stumbling block for me you
know what I'm saying because I would I
would come here and we would do these
podcasts and talk about this up and then
they would talk about it at church
without me like hey you know true city
was talking about aliens and talking
about this and talking about that and uh
and so I didn't I didn't know who I was
so when they would talk like I would
believe them well I wanted to be
accepted so bad that I was willing to
act like I don't like aliens I'm not
into that no more and it all Jesus
brother all God brother and I would do
that like I would throw away my books
manly pee haul books I'm a I really love
manly halls workout with those books
away or anything that wasn't Christian I
get rid of it and I try to present
myself back to the church people to be
accepted and they would have me back but
then they would still kind of look at me
sideways stuff but like you were saying
you felt like your spirit was dead like
oh like man they're saying Who I am I'm
like I'm into this stuff for a reason
like God has put these these feelings
within me for a reason
and me I feel like I'm running from my
calling and I feel like I'm running from
God doing that and that was what even
early on with the way I look my
appearance my address you know I went to
the the clean cut you know I'm saying
hairdo and and no tattoos and like you
tell my Brian Head Welch was a huge
stepping stone for you to embrace who
you were and seeing him doing it so well
it was it come down there for me it was
like it was like a fork in the road okay
do you do the things that make you happy
that God that you feel that you're
called to you like these things for a
reason or do you listen squit listening
to the metal quit listening to the rap
listen to nothing but worship music and
try to be one of the beautiful people
essentially right and yeah you have to
find out who you are man and that takes
years for a lot of people
you know and you have to watch you find
out who you are then you have to get to
a place where you're comfortable yeah
being the person that God called you to
be you know I go couple weeks a month
straight listening to only worship music
and that's not something that I try
really and then there are times whenever
I go a month straight when I just
listened to a lot of different metals
and but I stole throw on you know the
worship music just because you know I'm
solid Jesus there's a time a lot for all
of the man time it's a time for war a
time for warfare like there's times for
all of them were in different moods and
I'm the same way bro I listen to I
listen to a lot of heavy stuff I listen
to a lot of 90s alternative music
honestly right now which is for a long
time it just brings me back to easier
the simpler time and yeah I just really
love the music I grew up on I listen to
a lot of that but um yeah I listen I'm
with you man any go from anything hard
scream of the stuff you can barely
understand to the most beautiful
psalmist tree worship music imaginable
memory I just saw a little bit ago about
a way that he broke a fear of mine is I
had I had a fear of aliens for 25 years
maybe longer
yeah and the way that started is
actually interesting whenever I was 6
for like 25 years I had thought that I
had that I had nightmares but it wasn't
until about 2 years ago before right now
right before the Lord started me had
started me to study demonology you know
I'm like you know what I'm gonna get rid
of I'm gonna start working on my fears
to get over them
and the first one that came to mind was
that what the fear of aliens it's like
you know Lord show me
I prayed for 2 months Lord show me the
nightmares after about 2 months straight
of this it hit my spirit one night what
if those weren't
lanes and and in my spirit what if I was
seeing demons
what happened whatever I was six is my
parents put up a poster of the et in my
room yeah got nothing of a you know most
people went but something about that
poster
I saw demons for a while and that scared
the crap yeah and no they took it down
and and the vision stopped but no for 25
years
anything that and do it but aliens I
load put the passion I took point I
seriously jokingly would tell my friends
if you ever walk into my house dressed
as an alien you will be shot at that's
like that's how string the eighth record
itself I think it was no spell last
Shirish I I'm like you know what I need
to get back I need to get over this fear
of aliens and so went straight to the
source
[Laughter]
the movie II team yeah so I sat down I'm
like Lord I can't believe I'm actually
doing this I need you to give me
strength so I watched the entire movie
and like mind you there are some points
in the movie I'm like this on my bed I'm
like especially I'm so mean I remember
just to give you an example where me my
extra still together we went to I think
it was universe or something like that
yeah there has arrived and you talked me
into going on that right thinking that
that there would only be like one or two
we go through the freaking ride and
there are ETS at every single curl I'm
like this I'm like this on my legs just
watching like like I just I wanted to
see demolished and we get how the of the
other ride and she's like I am so sorry
watch them early and now since then I
can walk there you watch my new video
which one did you watch my new video I
put out yesterday alpha No go watch it
yeah make sure you have some lights on
there it's an alien walk down the
hallway with it being pitch black and
what no fear yeah I watched I actually
bought the alien series all four of them
yeah
watched watched all those I'm like
nothing it's like it's like yes thank
you Lord for removing that fear but it's
it's so weird that no that no that
happens and it's having any form I feel
like they're just not godly and I love
how he works to get those fears out of
my since awesome I have to watch that
he's not actually and we're waiting to
see that because I don't like spoilers I
like to listen to an entire album all at
once and don't like I want to watch that
yeah yeah I had to go through some stuff
similar to that as well when I was
having all my UFO experiences or
whatever you know I would see I would
see lights come coming close down above
my house man and it would freak me out
you know and I have my I have my
daughter with me and stuff and it would
it would literally freak me out
so because of watching those those
movies hold on one second I got to start
this chat hold on it's gonna make a
noise cool some problems with the phone
okay we got we got the phone lines back
up my phone reset but yeah like I would
see like fire in the sky you know there
was another another show what was that
communion was a big one and with our
Whitley Schreiber that was don't look it
up don't look it up but I took some of
those scenes and kind of reworked them
into that new video so definitely check
it out but no I've had I had some
instances like that that were pretty
pretty crazy that I had to get over that
fear yeah I'm pretty sure like in the
back of your mind like even though you
want it to you want it something to
happen you want to make contact but it's
like yeah Oh Lord I'm fitting to be
taken away and never be brought back you
know like that was a legit fear yeah I'm
pretty sure like getting over that fear
was like one stuff of singing stand
seeing into that the spiritual realm
because you know whatever I mentioned
that that thing on Thursday I'm pretty
sure that was like the first demon I've
seen probably since I was six I don't I
don't even remember that yeah the fact I
over this thing crawling like that just
see them any anything else that I've
seen what you know it's it's always been
like this but but they call shadow
people always in the corner right yeah
somebody without asking about that Adam
was asking about that yeah those are the
only times I've actually kind of caught
something you see something in the
corner I you move and you turn to look
and there's nothing there
yeah but see that thing there that
Thursday I'm like with the current yeah
that was but I I'm pretty sure that was
just like a stepping stone of getting
there but all of this time again I'm I'm
not in any rush is I know of people that
see in that realm 24/7 they say and get
overwhelming yeah oh yeah job you mad if
you don't know how to I mean just think
we talking about having someone to talk
to
oh wow I'm reading some of these
comments while I'm trying to hold the
conversation and uh Carolyn says that
she had I'm so scared of communion I had
to hide the awful fake truth because I
was scared of it you know what and I
don't
I'm the last person to push a fear of
aliens like I'm for the one let's make
peaceful contact you know what I'm
saying
so it's it's funny that I did one that
was more on kind of based off of a
horror spin on it but it's interesting I
wouldn't do a podcast I mention this
earlier I'm gonna do a full podcast
where I go into detail about that video
because like some of those scenes that's
in that video I pulled out of the dream
state like when I was when I was uh yeah
there's a scene in there with my
daughter and it was a nightmare scared
scared the hell out of me but I uh I had
to had a nightmare of that years ago
when I first got into ufology and stuff
and uh but I turn around and put it in
the video man make something creative
out of it something beautiful out of it
you know what I'm saying something
something cool I say it's beautiful way
anyway makes you like look at look at
revelations yeah you interviewed I think
several months ago where he says as Hugh
believes that's his the one the Lords
favorite genres is for just because of
the imagery that's in like Daniel or
normally be a good doll but your job is
yes no that was good yeah no doubt I'm
going to jump to the phone lines here we
got a couple people on the line I think
this is a brother Reggie calling from
Georgia you there Reggie on screen are
you there Reggie Georgia can you hear me
now
guy Erica yo welcome to the show man
what you doing doing great man we're
talking about you know these crazy
experiences and church people having it
all figured out and things like that and
there's some we have a mutual inside
joke and every time I talk to you I go
into the voice of this guy
we're talking talk a little bit about
the apostle because dude I use him in a
lot of scenarios of how far and how
seriously you can take this religious
experience and and go far out there
that's pretty far out there when we talk
about the apostle talk about this guy
that uh that you met and I ran into him
somehow I really forget the full story
but the interactions we had this with
this guy was talk a little bit about
that that guy yeah it's a fun story it
was almost ten years ago it was actually
what was it about two thousand nine so
nine years ago yeah I had moved from
Mobile Alabama where I met Derek and we
met via myspace back before Facebook was
a thing and we had hooked up a few times
and you know and then I moved to
Mississippi and I actually became part
of a church there by somehow so this is
kind of how it went down a guy that I
knew I wouldn't say I was mentoring him
but he was like you could say he was
like a younger spiritual brother if you
will and he was like kind of bumping up
to me you know and stuff like that so
when I moved out of town he called me it
said hey man I ran into this guy and he
says he's like he's apostle he's an
apostle of Jesus Christ and so he
started telling me how this guy came to
town and he lives off the land he
basically took a vow of poverty and it's
just some of his family and his I don't
8 kids or having kids yes and in basic
basically he he said that the guy was
from Meridian Mississippi where I had
moved to and that he had come down there
I guess and to pop like I don't know pop
I don't know if he was looking for
conference or whatever I guess it's what
people like that are always doing yeah
but um he came down there and he somehow
met this particular guy that called me I
won't name names but he said that he
somehow met him and was talking to him
is that hey man I want to disciple you
we under you rather I want to learn from
you and this this guy who called himself
an apostle said okay well
that's fine that's great but you need to
go sell everything you have and give
your money to the poor and come follow
me
it was basically what he said to him and
and I was like oh wow dude that sounds
like I mean I was like that's cool that
kind of sounds like Jesus or whatever
but you know I don't he said yeah you
know in the you know you remember when
the Apostle started the first Church you
know everybody all the members of the
church were selling all their belongings
and bringing the money and laying it
down at the Apostles feet and I can't
remember 100% if he it if he had told my
friend to go sell his money to go so it
everything he had to bring him the money
or if he said go give your money to the
poor I can't remember but it wouldn't
surprise me either way
but um but again it's nine years ago and
he said you know I really he said I
don't know man he said I really wish I
had somebody I kind of asked him a few
questions and he's like it he said I
wish I had to make a talk to him but I
took him to my pastor I'm a pastor ran
from it what and he won't talk to him
and he said any II said I feel like I'm
a sheep this just couldn't he kind of
left left out to whatever rather he's a
wolf or not I don't know but he said it
really it really is like dang dude you
know you're my pastor you supposed to be
my shepherd and you just kind of left me
hanging out here and I I mean he even
brought him to the church and everything
like that and that didn't go over too
well obviously but so I said well give
me his number I'll call him so anyway so
I touch base with him and again he
claimed long the long story I guess I
can condense it down a little bit of
bridge version but he basically said he
is he was at the video piloting it
floating him not just being a posse
apostle right right he quite and he was
quoting scripture from Jeremiah I think
where he said all the Shepherd's have
gone astray and they've all lost their
way and he you know he's my kid
oh yeah he's like an any-any he kept
referring to that he can't refer to the
fact that he's read the Bible 168 times
I can't remember how much and and I'm
like oh okay that's that's nice but so I
kind of struck up a conversation with
the night I really and I'll be honest
with you I'm kind of naive to my hurt
sometimes and I was really
empathizing with him you know and saying
look man I understand because I was at a
place where Derek you knew me back then
I was like ready to just sell it all and
you know and just go follow after Jesus
you know and and it was like um I kind
of I kind of I don't know like I saw him
doing that I'm like man that's the kind
of passion I feel you know that's the
kind of deal I want so I started talking
to him and sharing some stuff with him
and I was and I was kind of interesting
entering into a different phase of my
walk and kind of going in the direction
of like you know Messianic Judaism at
that time and not so much Christianity
but that was the long that's a long
story there but I started he kind of
basically related to me where I was but
then it was weird man because he was
trying to tell me that that God led me
to him right but then whenever I would
start telling him okay well God spoke to
me and told me this and God spoke to me
and told me that and God this share my
testimony with him and he said well he
said you know I don't I hate the busted
verbal of your bubble but you think
you're hearing from God but you're not
and I'm so he basically made it out like
nobody's hearing from God but him but
then he's gonna tell us so that was like
okay so the brother if I'm not here from
God and how do I know God led me here
you know so that's kind of like a you
know it really contradicts itself so
where you came into play
brother truth is I think we got on the
phone I'll [Â __Â ] yell fight and I've
been plugging it's weird dude and in a
reason I would be telling you about is
because man you were like hooking me up
on three way calls with all kinds of
people from all over the place and I was
meeting some interesting characters you
know for you and so I was like I was
like dude I was like dude let me do it
ever talk to this guy he says he's awful
he's like I think he's kind of out of
his mind man a little bit I mean I I I
don't know like I don't want to I don't
want to say that but I was feeling that
and I was showing why he just something
wasn't right about the guy so then you
were like well give me his number I'll
call him
hey hit there from there and it worked
from there but that's where I think you
kind of hopped in man but yeah it ended
up obvious for your story takes off from
there but I could say that my story
ended one
never all right so he came back to
Meridian and they had their little
church or whatever I don't know it maybe
consisted of Gelinas family and maybe
one or two other beautiful who stoled
all their possessions and followed him
but uh he he was like he called me or
texted me or something was like hey come
join us for fellowship because I was
talking to him you know on a regular
basis and I think he was trying to like
you know kind of if you will convert me
to whatever he is and and and I thought
I went to my church right and he was
texting me while I was sitting there in
church and I saw texting back I said
well I'm actually at my church and he's
like oh you found another fellowship of
truth will tell us where it is and we'll
come there yeah enough to pay off and
and stuff because his family his kids he
made the news cuz yeah family got sick
and he wouldn't take him to the hospital
because he didn't want them shooting him
up with scenes and stuff and they his
kids were dying and stuff and yeah it
was pretty yeah hey I had talked to just
I had talked to several people that know
my actually had people that found out
that I was talking to him calling me
though I don't know if my friend back in
Mobile was given my number out or
whatever but as he smiling well I mean
if I came what did you feel
yeah it's like what did you feel for me
man I felt like he was possessed by a
devil and all this and I'm like I was
like well yeah and then I started
hearing stories and stuff and the this
the kind of chaos and stuff that
followed him yeah and I was like you're
not coming here man so then he started
calling me and blowing up my phone and
texted me and they left me like 18 voice
messages back to back I'm getting creepy
to be like you would come on three way
because that's why I do too I do the the
impersonation you say brother reg it's
me yeah muscle give me a call if you
want to know what God's saying if you
just like back to back brother Ed's I'm
calling again yeah yeah I told me to
call you you know it's like what
you think you're testing us but you're
the one being tested yeah you know if
you decide to repent we'll take you back
there you're a reprobate and I'm like
I'm just really dude I just let him go
but I think I think maybe you had a few
conversations with him but on you like
he lives out there in the woods you know
and any travels on foot little family
and few disciples that he has and that
just shows you how seriously you can
take yourself and I've gotten out there
honed some religious stuff you know
wanting to be separate and wanting to
give everything to follow Jesus like it
was in the Bible right I mean you know
we look at the Bible where I look at
Western Isles Christianity and what I
hold on something doesn't add up but we
had the super neck it's supernatural
encounter with God through the person of
Jesus Christ and we know that to be
truth and so that just sets us on this
truth-seeking journey from that point on
and you're open to a lot of stuff
because you know you kind of throw off
one bondage which is the world and and
end those things whatever that consists
of for you when you was in the world you
give that up for Jesus but then you
receive another bondage which is the
bondage of religio which means to bind
or hold back which is the Latin word for
religion you know I'm saying that to
bind you and and stuff so that's all I'm
right there with you I'm right there
with you brother I I did the exact same
thing and I've done it and and now maybe
not to the extreme of this apostle but I
mean I felt it in me and I've done it
and and I think it's just ego man
somebody I saw one there was somebody
else Reggie that uh that we were mutual
friends and we ran into him I think I
invited you to a Bible study that he led
maybe he had a song called ha ha ah yes
yes yes I remember that yeah I know yeah
yeah the king the King James the only
guy yeah yeah yeah yeah what was his
name again
gene brother gene oh yeah what Jean
Duffey
yeah whatever happened to helmet still
goes yeah he's still doing that uh yep
they go and they do street ministry and
street preaching and stuff but um yeah
that that guy he's in he's another one
who just gets way out there and uh you
know he's an older gentleman now and and
it's his duty and I always mess with my
wife joking but it's a fear in the back
of my mind that one day I'm gonna end up
like one of these guys you know what I'm
saying yeah like a brother just like you
know at the end of your life the final
years that you have you're like you have
to make it up to God so he goes to
Walmart and preaches wood on a
loudspeaker he goes downtown to preach
and he goes anywhere he can to preach
and it's almost like this duty that he
owes like a debt he owes to God or
something like because we see him all
the time you know I missing my wife I
say yeah that's gonna be me I know I
shouldn't be but I jokingly but uh but I
see it's sad to me it's sad to me though
that day that they owe that to God to go
out there and do that and uh but because
this guy will go out there with nobody
listening I mean it gets gets weird like
it's the weird delusional that you go
out to a field with nobody reading to
you and start preaching on a loudspeaker
like if you're gonna do it go to where
the people are you know I'm saying like
a universal universe is so much bigger
than us man it's like you can't you
can't isolate yourself like that and
develop your whole worldview based on
yeah boy you know wait well you have
what do you have the draw from other
than ego you know it'd just be kind of I
don't know you paint yourself into a
very small corner of the universe that
way mm-hmm yeah so many people do it in
eight ceiling man nobody understands me
that's a lie you know what I'm saying
like I'm the only one who's going to do
it you don't know what I'm going through
no that's that's definitely a lie
there's no way possible that you're the
only one who's ever experienced that I
mean just look at this type of platform
we have here on this podcast now that
people are it's a beacon like the
who have similar stories they're kind of
drawn to this show man who have been to
those churches in the backwoods you know
who had those weird religious encounters
where they those reasons they should
give up or whatever but then they find
out that they're not alone
you know what I'm saying but with you if
you if you isolate yourself it's easy to
kind of get into that pity party nobody
understands me and nobody believes in my
calling or whatever the case is but then
you got to you got to put yourself
around like-minded people people who
have you don't send a vision who's
similar to you
not what otherwise competing and man
there's all kind of stuff like that
going on and he's these churches man
mm-hmm hey you right you right on there
brother you right on there but I guess
like if you're asking I've always
thought of it and I mean this may be
one-sided but I've kind of asked myself
a cuz I have done that before you said
no one else believes and you're my
calling or nobody knows what I'm going
through
why do I need everybody else to get it
you know that my question isn't like do
I do I believe it you know and if you do
you do if you don't you don't and so I
don't know it's kind of what I know that
we feed off the energy of others I get
that but at the same time I'm thinking
man if you know like what you're what
you're doing or feeling called to do is
like I have to do this or I'm on this my
purpose in life you can do it if you do
it alone you know I think you'll see
like the you'll see the benefits of it
come later sometimes you don't see it
but but like the ripple effect and the
people that you're touching yeah is
really like you just see like the tip of
the iceberg in your lifetime you know
yeah I think because secretly those us
us winning those people over or getting
them to agree with us and it gets harder
when you go further out and away from
you know the traditional stuff you could
be right you know but getting other
people to kind of believe you it brings
false like a inward validation of your
belief system and you're not wrong
because you've won these many people
over or this person believes you and you
know what I'm saying and
that I mean that's the whole thing of
Cristiano were fun like when people over
to doctrinal issues doctrinal issues
that don't matter like little stupid
stuff that people split and have schisms
over and stuff like that you know but
they what it means enough to them to get
you to believe everything that they
believe that they're willing to break
fellowship if you don't you know that's
the kind of weird stuff that it gets
into yeah man well we were kind of
talking about that one time before about
how basically I mean and I don't like
using this word loosely but you know a
lot of religion a lot of modern day if
you will fundamentalist Christianity can
be that it can be like basically
repackaged Gnosticism where basically
your status your spiritual status is
based on your knowledge which you know
and that's why in yeah and it's like
well heck you don't know you don't
understand God the way I do or you don't
believe what I believe so you're you're
you're damned and I'm like well you know
last I checked none of us had this all
figured out and none of us had the full
picture and even the possible so we all
see a part right and so I'm thinking you
know why whenever we get into that hey
you got to believe what I believe and
you got to see the universe and the
Creator the way that I see it and
believe it and if you disagree that I'm
gonna break fellowship with you that
just comes from insecurity and
immaturity it doesn't come from knowing
thyself
you know it doesn't come from being
solid and who you are and in your
relationship with with with the Christ
you know anything that's outside of our
box we automatically throw it out
we got another caller here from
Southeast Texas caller welcome to the
show someone calling from Southeast
Texas okay maybe they just wanted to
listen but yeah man it's uh it's just
about making this stuff tangible and you
can get way out there you get a
you know we talk about our friend who's
out there doing that stuff and preaching
on the street corners and you know
falling upon death ears you know this is
the same guy who's you know his his
gospel is the 1611 version like he'll go
a jig is so weird man there's so many
delusions bro I've seen so many
delusional people who are drunk off the
wine of their own doctrine man you know
this guy he goes up to unbelievers in
the street who were drunk asking him
what kind of Bible do they have in their
house and said I'll have a NIV and he
goes in a dialogue how that's demonic
and you need to get a King James Version
because it's the only correct version
it's like that's how he's like that's
his plight now you know what I'm saying
that says well whatever it meant
whatever helps you get through the day
man you know it's something out there
for everybody though I guess you know it
helps him he feels like he's doing his
service to mankind and you know what I'm
saying and you know kmac it I guess you
know my two preferreds
yes but like pretty much you got a good
read it mmm yeah yeah prefer people
asked me all the time I still think what
King James but I like to go into other
versions as well
ESV NIV amplified ESV is a really good
version that's some cool is some cool
versions out there so yeah but with that
man you stood at reg Reginald are you
still there yeah okay yeah brother
cool cool yeah brother yeah I'm gonna
head it I when you swap swapped over I'm
uted Uncle Mike and tried to get over to
it yeah bro we got we got to have you on
the phone here Doug
come on and share your story man for
four Episode bro you gotta schedule it's
make it happen that sounds good to me
brother I'd love to do it man hey you
talk a little bit about the
above what I think I think you called me
up and left me a voicemail and years
talking about give me some greet I'll my
dumb kids give some green Bibles to the
kids to hand out some I don't remember
what you were saying man that was
brought out well that was brother laying
off before he was uh before he was
brother way before he was before you
with a youtube star right yeah my
channel delete her for good funny stuff
it was it was beautiful man I hate I
lost all that stuff yeah man I mean yeah
that's I think that's part of it some of
this stuff gets delusional we could I
could bring that oh I'm not gonna say
anybody's names but if you know the
personation I just did I sound just like
him I know but we had a friend we was in
a prayer and I love this dear brother we
were praying for some people and stuff
and demons were being cast out and then
this guy gets up and he's holding his
head he's like hi man one of them had
cut me did y'all get cut we're like what
did y'all get cut Jackie Kizer a demon
hair flew by cut me in my head yeah we
can create some interesting fantasies
with this mind that God gave us you know
man ight already crazy you starts buying
yourself though right now I was a saying
you tell yourself with something long
enough you begin to believe it you know
which I've been I've been victim of my
own folly there too so yeah I get I've
gotten messages over the years from
having somewhat of a platform or from
like all kind of weird people a lot of
people who I don't want to make fun of
them but people who are on medications
and who you know have stuff wrong with
them upstairs and stuff and and I say
that my music creates a safe haven for
some of those people but I think some of
these churches do too you know what I'm
saying for the delusional people to have
a platform and be okay you
I'm saying so there's some of the
crazies who kind of they're not just in
Islam they're not just in the New Age
they're in Christianity as well so I
have some people who were like reached
out to me and I had one woman and I hate
to even say this because I have fear
that this woman's watching this stuff
it's insane but I don't fear but I don't
want her to watch if you watch what
she's like obsessed with a bra and she
was like you know who you are not
watching out ten women quit watch no she
was kind of like she sent me messages
and stuff talking about the Illuminati
in the Masons have ordained us to be
together and that my wife isn't the
person that God chose for me and stuff
you know what I'm saying it gets into
some weird stuff and like your mind can
kind of like - how fanatic can use fans
get I mean we've seen stories and weird
stuff that happens and uh but no like
and then I have had other people who
message me and tell me that they're my
mother from a past life and they're like
yeah I'm you know I'm your mother from a
past life anomalous I just brush it off
like I don't think you are you know it's
okay though you know blah blah blah and
it's the older lady she's like no I'm
Your Mother and God sent me here to
watch over you and she's like don't you
make fun of me I'm Your Mother speed I
was your mother and I'm like okay mom
thanks mom you know I get other people
who message mr. hey brother I want to
meet you tonight in a vortex in the
dream state I'm gonna come through the
vortex and I'm gonna ask for travel over
there and we're gonna hang out in the
dream state me you and like some
celebrity and I'm like man these people
are crazy you know but and that's some
of the the delusions that you can
entertain with your mind man but here's
that here's the here's the tricker
what if okay and then another guy hit me
up say he's the Archangel Michael and he
just says and he says okay do you
believe me bro and I'm like you hit me
up on facebook messenger telling me all
this weird stuff you
if I believe you say if you all show me
a sign like won't you fly over here or
you know give me a Parisian make me let
me believe you know I know I don't
believe you and so what if we get to
heaven we stand before God and God says
Derrick I had much to show you
I sent the Archangel Michael unto you
and you didn't believe him you made fun
of him and you said he was a crazy
person and then I sent your mother your
mother travelled through another
dimension and the time portal to tell
you that she was watching over you and
you didn't believe like I know that's
probably not gonna happen but that's the
devil's advocate of the whole thing you
know yeah crazy stuff who are we to say
though I don't know that could have been
Michael I doubt it but I didn't resonate
with when you whenever they were no not
at all I mean because and that's the
weird thing because it is a bad like we
do talk about some really intense stuff
here that okay let's put like this this
is the crazy thing the way I look at
those messages and those people right
and they're out there to me I don't
believe them the church people look at
me like that
all true seeker says he's in contact
with angelic beings he can summon UFO
he's seen UFOs and he hears God and he's
in the Kundalini so they you know as I
would look at these people who were
maybe led astray or maybe watch too many
movies or something you know like those
not the church people look at me but you
guys to when you guys are talking about
this stuff they look at you like I'm not
sure how much we had a friend I'm not
sure I'll say his name it was a man
named arnesto did you know much about
that Reggie that whole incident with him
which one was that one his name was
arnesto
and um anyway he was in the church he
was talking about numerology and he got
really far out there and he had to go to
the doctor because he wasn't taking his
medicine but he got in like weird stuff
like he went test drove a car and it was
a white Porsche
and he drove it to test-drive it test
act like he was gonna buy and he drove
it to the church and he had a sword with
him he was driving around town saying
that he was the second coming of Christ
riding the white horse and he was going
to like a car wheel charge like he had
to be like committed and stuff and he
was teaching and leading in churches and
like when all that stuff what happened
we looked at him like yeah he needs help
he's just way out there he says he's a
second coming of Christ he's driving up
you know and so the fear is that like
those people look at me and you guys too
like I said that you're those people who
are way out there and making it up and
you need help and I can't believe people
follow you you know what I'm saying
that's the weird dichotomy of this whole
thing because it because we're we walk a
fine line like some of this stuff
brother it blows my mind daily I don't
even you know what I'm saying like it's
it is stuff out of movies like they do
make movies about this stuff that we're
talking about that we're into like it's
in they make movie scripts about it so
it's crazy as far out there man but but
there is a line like where did you draw
the line where do you call the person I
say hey look you're not my mom my mom's
alive she's here with me I don't think
that was you or how much do you
entertain it gets dangerous there's
healers and people I don't entertain
this stuff and these people pay them
money and come unto them and other
people from seats of power and authority
are telling them this stuff like that
hey okay you're true seekers mother like
there's people who will go to sessions
and they like fill their heads with this
stuff it's insane brother like that's
the weird part we talk about we can't
just say that we're clear of it all
because we entertained some out out
there stuff to even have this
conversation you know what I'm saying
and I would be dumbfounded to say
they're crazy but I'm the one who's fine
mine I'm good
I know how this stuff sounds you know
what I'm saying
it's the weird dichotomy of it all man
where's the line Reggie the Bible I get
the line it's the line for me honestly
why
tell you I can tell you that I can tell
you this brother I know that like for
example the reason I can talk to
somebody like you it's because you talk
and I mean I heard I'll listen I didn't
get to jump in on the front end of the
the the podcast night because
interestingly enough I had somebody from
Mobile Alabama called me and was wanting
to talk about the you know the demonic
realm and stuff that's kind of a
separate story but I was thinking about
like you know I heard you guys talking
about like shadow people and then see
and aimed angels and stuff like that
well I've seen I've seen those things
and if I want to be honest about it I
could talk to somebody like truth seeker
about it you know there are people out
there like yeah man I've experienced
that too but then there's like you said
there this is so this is a platform
where we can say hey man you know if you
have experienced or seen something like
this you could like these are things
that like you could talk to your parents
about and they tell you oh hush hush we
don't talk about that you know this is
not real is probably just the devil
trying to mess with your mind or
whatever but then every now and then you
run into that person who's on the same
the same level with you on the same
vibration or whatever you want to call
it a McDonald and you can and and why is
that well because they've experienced
the same thing hey I used to see shadow
people in my room whenever I was a kid
all right
scared the daylights Caird me man
because they were standing there
watching me and I'm like I would go over
there and try to touch them and on walk
right through them and stuff like that
and I always thought it was look like my
dad standing in my doorway and I go on
to his room and there he is laying there
sleeping and stuff and then I I would
see angelic being you know peering
around the corner and running in a field
and stuff like that you tell people like
that I've had people laugh at me I did
stuff like that above but then I pushed
somebody like like like truth seeker and
I'm just like hey man you know I'm
listening to your stories and I believe
it
now it is something that that I can put
get on a video tape or something and
show to everybody else know maybe it is
something that's happening in my spirit
and in my mind maybe this but the fact
is is that I acknowledge that that it
has happened and we can talk about these
things what are they you know and
in this forest like you said the wine
being drawn it's kind of like I mean we
would just live a practical life you
know they grounded daddy down to earth
do ya do what work yeah you know I'm not
gonna does it is it practical to go
start a monastery where we talk about
these things or whatever and only the
people like us can come with their I
don't know if that's practical or not
but but I mean to have an avenue with
people who are dealing with these
questions and stuff and then thinking
man in my crazy and they can't like you
said you can't go to the church or what
are the religious studying and talk
about it act you can't even talk to you
can't even have these conversations that
we're beer with people you know people
want to talk about sports and stuff they
don't want to talk about all this stuff
and so every now and then though you run
into people and they're like yeah man
yeah what you know what I saw aliens
I've seen spaceships are up and just
like okay that's cool man tell me about
your experience and I can deal with that