The Key  to Unlock  Limitless Wisdom and Creativity - Leonard Perlmutter - TruthSeekah Podcast
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pearl mutter i said it pearl mudder
leonard welcome to the true secret
podcast my friend how are you very well
thank you very much
good to have you man um
a lot of the subjects that you bring to
the table it's almost like every
discussion every podcast that i've been
doing of kind of like
peering a little bit deeper and deeper
and deeper into those questions and what
is this and what is that and i'm a big
fan of uh syncretism you know of
studying world religions and having my
own faith and and seeing how
they're not that far um apart we're
usually saying the same things but we
have different words for it but the
religions are married to those words and
so i'm gonna explore today and roll some
ideas off of you and get your thoughts
on it so i'm excited for that um you
have a new book out and talking about
unlocking the keys to working with your
your conscience and and and breaking
that down so we're gonna dive into that
but uh for people who don't know who you
are and what you bring to the table just
kind of give a quick overview of of who
you are why you're here and it will
start from there
well uh
i've always been very philosophically
oriented since a little child
and i've also been very practical
and so that's just the way that i i see
the world uh as a
young kid i
i joined
cub scouts and boy scouts
and i enjoyed uh learning through that
experience because they taught practical
skills
on how to live life and how to deal with
things
i remember
distinctly that
the motto from scouts was be prepared
so i once asked my scout master
be prepared for what
and he looked at me
and said how would i know
that's the whole point
that life is a thrill a minute
and unless we have the the skill set the
tools
to deal with all the variety of
relationships that come and the demands
that come
we're going to make poor choices and
we're going to experience
some form of pain
and so
i began like you i think
looking at other traditions other
religions
uh cultivating my own personal practice
and i think like you i discovered that
the essential core of every spiritual
tradition
every religion
is all the same
yes different words different concepts
but as you know words are just pointers
they're an attempt by one human being to
communicate something to another human
being hey
i've experienced something have you
experienced something similar to this
and what do you call it and what have
been your experiences
so the lineage from which i teach is
called bharati which is the lovers of
knowledge it's the oldest continuous
spiritual and meditation
lineage on the planet
the
educational body of knowledge that it
carries with it
that i teach
is the origin of every religion and
every spiritual tradition
so i'm very honored i'm very humbled
to be in service to it as i am very
honored and humbled to be here today for
you and your audience
and uh it's a pleasure to have you again
um everything that you just said that's
what this podcast is is for is about on
my personal pursuit
you know i um
um started out listening to a lot of
teachers and lecturers and
coast-to-coast am was on a lot for me
when i was a truck driver and i would
just listen to hours of people share
these stories about the supernatural the
paranormal abilities of the mind and
things like that and and i and i would
have questions as i'm listening and um
and and it seems like the the host
wouldn't ask those questions he'd let
them
say something and just kind of brush
over like wait wait what what did those
beings look like
what when you close your eyes to
meditate like what was the process
of you leaving your body you it's not
instant and so i would write these
questions down and then reach out to the
the guests myself and say hey i started
a podcast and i'd love to have you on
and these big name people who were
experts in their field would come on and
talk to me back in
2010 2011 12 13 and and i was really
hungry for truth and it wasn't real you
know well read or polished at the time
but um i really had questions and i got
to pick their brain and literally it's
like what you're saying hey i had a
similar experience
what was your experience with it and
when we start hearing things and other
people's testimonies about
consciousness about
whatever
aliens religion it doesn't matter um
we understand that everybody has a piece
of the puzzle and that picture that
we're trying to to see become it becomes
more clear in front of us when everybody
brings their picture
a piece of the puzzle to the table we
see the picture so being able to have
people on and doing that as a truth
seeker you know just like most people
listening to this would consider
themselves it's uh
you gotta ask questions in front and
honestly the tradition i'm from which is
just western christianity charismatic
christianity you're discouraged from
asking questions
and if they're too deep or you you'll
you'll know that when you die brother
you'll find out when you get to heaven
and it's like that's not enough for most
people there's a that question and that
longing that passions
within you for a reason
how does those those questions work with
your conscience because
um
like we have a gps system within us
and we seek outside
but we don't never go within you know
jesus taught that the kingdom of heaven
is within and
and uh and we can go within to
experience the cosmos and even the term
i mentioned leaving your body
it's it's fantasy it's it's sexy if you
will but it's more of going within to
get without and
we don't need anything outside of
ourselves and i think that that's what
the core of what a lot of these
traditions teach but
the religions teach us different you
know the the teachers of these
traditions taught one thing but
misconstrued have come here
partake of this knowledge of this book
to learn and to gain wisdom but we
understand that gnosis is wisdom through
experience like living life right can
you talk a little bit about that just
you mentioned
making the wrong decisions
over and over which is the best teacher
if you learn i learn you learn a lot of
people learn not everybody does though
can you just speak to that
i certainly can
your conscience
is a gift from providence
which separates us from all other
animals
i know most people don't like to admit
this but human beings are animals
but we're clever animals and there's
something that separates us from all
other species of animals
and that is that the human being has a
conscience
now this is one of the four major
functions of our mind which is
critically important
because even though the conscience
speaks only in whispers
it is the only function of the mind that
can discriminate
determine
judge
and decide
what's to be done
and what's not to be done
and when we use our conscience we know
that we feel pretty darn good
when we don't
we don't feel so well
and a lot of times we feel the heaviness
of guilt
so the conscience
is really
the key to everything that everyone is
looking for
but we have to use it consciously we
have to be awake we can't be on
autopilot because when we're on
autopilot we're only skimming the
surface of consciousness
and we're not able to go deep into that
ocean
to find the jewels that are waiting for
us
that will enable us to fulfill the
purpose of our lives
without pain without misery
and without bondage
and i think that everybody or many many
many people
have had this intuition that
it seemed
when we were young that we have
different voices in our mind
and as it turns out we have different
voices in our mind
but the only voice which is a quiet
whispering type of a voice is the
conscience it's not loud it's not pushy
it's not overbearing
it brings the truth
from the center of consciousness
what does that mean
the conscience
operates
just like a mirror
okay so a mirror has reflective quality
so too does the conscience
but the conscience has the capacity to
reflect
the truth
the perfect truth
for me in this particular
relationship that i find myself
and the conscience reflects that truth
from
the super
conscious portion of the mind well
what's the super conscious portion of
the mind
well it lies beyond the conscious
beyond the unconscious portions
at the center of consciousness
it's the same portion of the mind
that
albert einstein tapped into
it's the same portion of the mind where
paul mccartney
hears hears beautiful melodies
doesn't mean that i'm going to become a
songwriter it doesn't mean that anyone
of you who is listening is going to
become a physicist
what it does mean is
that if we can
quiet the other voices
in our mind
so that we can listen to the whispers of
the conscience which in christianity
might have been once called the holy
ghost or the holy spirit but again
words are just pointers
and we have to rediscover the truth for
ourselves within this paradigm within
this time and these unique relationships
that no human beings have ever ever had
to deal with
so the key
from my experience
is the quiet voice of the conscience and
my work in every
relationship is to
coordinate
the other functions of the mind that we
can talk about in a few minutes
which are the ego
the senses and the unconscious portion
of the mind
just by mentioning those phrases and and
forgive me if i'm reading into this but
i'm a bible guy you know i'm studying in
the scripture is that it that's my
practice and it means a lot to me but i
find that those words are
interchangeable and my own journey again
just wanting to ask you because
um
the holy you talk about these voices in
your head and the holy spirit
speaks to you and that still you said
still small voice that's the christians
love that term listen to god's still
small voice
follow your gut feeling your intuition
people would say and that gut feeling
i've heard it's the same thing it's the
same thing the term is it's a
scandinavian term
for for god your god feeling god will
lead you if you listen
forget your circumstance forget your
situation don't let that pull you but
what is your heart telling you what is
your conscience telling you and if we
listen we can get the answers and so
um
with
the terms you just mentioned we can we
can obviously keep going down that trail
and i want to but you talk about the
five senses in in logic
uh the unconscious the conscious mind
which was talking about which is most
likely the holy spirit right and then
the ego
in my tradition the ego would be
it would be a satan or would would play
off of the adversary or want you to do
be safe
i'm trying to protect you don't step out
or do
do what is going to satisfy you right
now holy spirit's like no wait wait wait
to the end result there's something
greater don't back out don't abandon
ship like stick with it
with these other
uh functions of the mind do you think
that
biblically would there be a
personification
at all
if you're
if you know this yes no yes and no
i think that uh
uh we suffer a great deal
by the culture
whether it's
uh
the general culture or the culture of
religions we suffer by
uh
limited understanding of of words and
the meaning of them so you used a very
powerful word satan
and
ego
to me
is not satan
ego
is
one of the functions of the mind that
has a very narrow perspective
now the ego
can be correct
right now you and i are both using our
healthy ego to communicate to one
another
if we did not have a healthy ego
we would not be able to communicate if
we were going to drive a truck or an
automobile we would need a healthy ego
so they're not the ego is not always
wrong
but
it's often wrong
but never in doubt why is it never in
doubt it's never in doubt because the
ego
is that function of the mind that is
hard wired
hard-wired to the reptilian brain
and the reptilian brain
is all about
self-preservation
and the intense fear
of annihilation
would would a better word instead of the
satan right satan may be a choice
between good and evil kind of thing holy
spirit god devil whatever what a better
word for the ego
which is the one i usually use is the
fleshly nature that the scripture speaks
about the deeds of the flesh the instant
always it's always supporting the animal
it's always supporting the animal's
choice so
i see the ego as always carrying a
chainsaw on its hip
and every time it's in a relationship
it takes the chainsaw out and cuts the
relationship in half and says this is
pleasant
i consider this good
let's reprise it yeah
and the other half
this is unpleasant
i call it bad and i want to avoid it
but we already know from our limited
perspective here on this planet
that which is pleasant is not always
good for us and that which is unpleasant
is not always bad for us yeah so how do
we know
how do we know
well of course 24 7
the conscience
can tell us
that's why for example
when i was a kid
i ate food that the ego loved
and don't you know
i was sick
i was in pain
now
i primarily look to eat food
that loves me that loves my instrument
that loves my eyes my heart my spleen my
pancreas my liver my joints
my brain
so that i can continue to be of service
in the world yeah
delayed gratification which is something
i've been on a lot i've been teaching on
the last three podcasts just intuitively
and i've seen that you mentioned
that delayed gratification because the
ego is instant gratification right the
the ego is what everything will do now
that's right and that's what separates
us they they don't have a choice a lot
of people would think that they do but
like even my dog if he's hurting and i
touch an area on his body like hey are
you okay and i touch him he's gonna try
to bite me like
i don't think he i think he loves me
enough not to try to harm me but that's
just in his nature his only way that he
can communicate because his conscience
hasn't elevated it hasn't uh it has it
hasn't had a transformation or an
awakening because of experience he
hasn't learned to talk he hasn't learned
to formulate a sentence and tell me hey
i'm hurting those kind of things and in
humans
like you said
like so a question i wrote down for you
is
is enlightenment
simply a transformation of your
conscience there's more words that we
get to use there's more ways for us to
express ourselves and and wait i don't
have to lash out let me wait
let me that that kind of thing which
most most individuals don't
do because
they're just not there yet you know um
they have the ability though correct or
is that something that evolves in that
transformation being born again having a
spiritual and awakening and things like
that
i believe that it's a it's a progressive
journey
uh it doesn't happen all at once
although if when it does happen all at
once there is something that has
preceded it a lot of work
uh perhaps in lifetimes if people
believe in reincarnation
but
definitely
there's there's more work than just
relying on the conscience
because at the present time there's
anarchy in the mind there's conflict in
the mind
right now
the three other functions of the mind
namely the ego the senses and the
unconscious mind
have been hijacking the bus
for decades
and so
one of our primary jobs in addition to
relying on the conscience
is to parent
and train
the ego
the senses
and the unconscious mind
is true
to quiet down and listen
and serve
the conscience
simply
for the sake of an experiment
to see how it makes me feel
and that's in every that's in every
situation that's in every scenario
that's it's not like
every religion it's not like every big
thing that we because we like to look at
a big decision a big thing but it comes
down to like you said
the food that i'm gonna eat today what
am i gonna eat today and boom here you
go you can eat this there's ice cream i
talked to a friend of mine the other day
he's like
i had ice cream and oreos for breakfast
i was like oh my god like and you could
and you're complaining about your weight
you're complaining about your health and
your ice cream and oreos come on like
that's a decision like choose this day
who you will serve though
you have a salad for breakfast even
though it's not
instant gratification it's delayed
because you're going to feel great
you're going to feel great when your
body gets that spinach and and uh your
mind's going to work better like there's
a lot of things so instead of looking at
it as big life-changing decisions where
i made the right choice we bring it into
right now
and so that brings us really very
logically to the second function of the
mind which are the senses
of sight and smell and taste and hearing
and touch
our mind extrudes projects our creative
energy
through the eyes the nostrils the mouth
the ears the hands and the feet to go
out into the material world
to look and smell and taste and hear and
touch
in an attempt
to find some object
some objects
some relationships that are going to
bring me happiness
and bring me security
and bring me health
and so really for the vast majority of
human beings
we have become addicted
to extruding our creative energy
in ways that are on
unwise because we we waste a tremendous
amount of of creative energy
searching after
rainbows that never exist
and even if they did exist they wouldn't
bring us what we were really looking for
lasting happiness lasting
security lasting joy
so it's a little bit analogous
to
squeezing a tooth tube of toothpaste
when we squeeze the tube of toothpaste
it's pretty easy to squeeze it and out
comes the toothpaste
but have we ever contemplated
how we would act if we were asked to put
or if we needed to put the toothpaste
back into the tube
well it's virtually impossible
it's the same with our creative energy
once it goes out through our eyes our
our nostrils our mouth our ears our
hands and our feet
it's spent
it's just like you know
uh taking uh money out of the bank
we've we've already uh depleted that
portion of our creative energy
so we need to parent
the senses
to know
what's to be done and what's not to be
done and to do that we need to create
small little experiments
for the senses that are not going to be
threatening
same for the ego
and the third function of the mind that
we haven't discussed yet is the
unconscious
this is the storehouse of everything
that you when i and every other human
being
believes
is going to help us with
self-preservation it's all of our
memories that are important to
self-preservation and our imaginations
to self-preservation
and the e and the ego the senses and the
unconscious mind as i mentioned earlier
only have limited perspectives
but they're all
individually and collectively loud and
pushy
and their and their noise overwhelms
the small
quiet voice
of the conscience
so it's very analogous to the same issue
that
scientists and engineers have
when they're dealing with a signal
that the decibel level is very low
and yet we want to listen to it
but we can't because the noise is too
powerful
what do they do
well they can't accentuate and they
cannot increase the decibel level of the
signal but what they can do is diminish
the noise
and by coordinating the ego senses an
unconscious mind in service to
a seemingly insignificant no-brainer
of an experiment
the ego senses an unconscious mind have
a pleasant experience
and they begin to trust me
and
they begin to see
that change
is not
a death to their identity it is rather
growth
well it didn't begin to
allow more experiences and more right
choices and those kind of things as it
gets as the ego learns
patterns and repetitions
and the senses learn and the unconscious
learns
this is no longer their uh perspective
it's this and with another experiment
it's it's even more so and even more so
so we don't want to get rid of the ego
we want to expand the ego until the ego
increase
in the ego reflects all
and excludes none
which is what
g.o.d
that's good stuff
ladies and gentlemen uh we're gonna jump
to a quick break we'll be right back
after this i got a lot more questions
for you brother it's gonna be good thank
you guys we'll be right back
wow so the throne room meditation man uh
this was just like a new level for me of
creating encounter uh really the process
behind it is going in for myself having
an encounter with the lord tapping into
the spirit and getting in his presence
and really just petitioning the father's
heart and saying god
what would you say to them if i'm
bringing these people with me here if
they're doing this guided meditation and
we're going through this journey we're
having fun we're seeing things we're
experiencing new feelings and emotions
and sensations
what would you say to him
so it's channeling the father's heart
and relating it back to the people so
man it's just a beautiful encounter and
i remember when i wrote the first one
i was so excited about it and it was
just
god speaking to my heart i was able to
channel the father's heart
and i would read the script to people
because i was just so excited while i
was working on it
and every time that i would just read
the script the presence of god would
just invade me and i just burst into
tears and i couldn't even read it i'm
just like let me copy and paste it and
send it to you but every time i listen
to it i'm immediately translated back
into the throne room of god and uh
everything's good there
that's the place where everything is
okay where in the scriptures it says
that we are to hide under the shadow of
the almighty this is the throne room of
god this is the place that we can
encounter for ourselves but this is also
a place in which we dwell so a part of
us is always there and we have access to
that now there's people who have never
encountered this before in their life
and it's a totally new experience for
them and almost every time i get a
testimony back from someone they just
say how god wrecked their lives that
they didn't know what they were getting
into next thing they know they're in the
presence of god
wrapped up in his glory he's
communicating his love to them and it
just totally wrecks their lives so make
sure you check out the throne room
guided meditation visualization that i
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all right ladies and gentlemen we're
back with my guest today leonard pearl
mutter
leonard to be clear um the four
functions of the mind right and a lot of
people would would uh say that
the idea of the holy spirit or that
still small voice they would say that
that is that your your conscience or is
the super conscience
wisdom
and always there and your conscience or
your ego is what deciphers
the message so
is it safe to say that the conscience is
the holy spirit or your conscience is
what receives the wisdom of sophia if
you will
the latter
okay right because the conscience is
just uh you know part of the physical
mind
uh and uh it's it's part of the hardware
but it has the capacity to go outside
this matrix of this mind-body sense
complex
and can receive perfect wisdom
from the center of consciousness
and reflect it into our conscious mind
once it comes into our conscious mind
now we can
use it
and we can use it primarily first
to
set up an experiment
with the ego senses and unconscious mind
so they can see the benefit
of relying on the conscience can i can i
give you an example sure
so this is what i do when when i have a
relationship
and every relationship is the same
because a relationship means
that i have to take an action it could
be a mental action it could be a a
verbal action or it could be a physical
action regardless of the nature of the
action that i take when i take an action
it always brings about a consequence
that's going to lead me in one direction
or another
okay
so when i have a relationship that
requires an action that will bring about
a consequence
i make an appointment
i make an appointment with the four
functions of the mind
and i invite the ego the senses the
unconscious mind and the conscience
ask them to sit around the kitchen table
and i say to them i'm sort of playing
the role
of the parent here
so i say
right now we've just finished dinner
and we have an opportunity to brush our
teeth
could you please tell me from your own
personal
limited experience
what you think of that choice
ego
why don't you start
and the ego looks at me and says well
you know that's not too pleasant as far
as i'm concerned
i don't like it
so i vote no
okay thank you very much i appreciate
that that perspective
senses how about you
well
if i'm 100
uh honest the census would say uh i
enjoyed the meal
i really enjoyed the dessert because i
love apple pie
so for me
instead of brushing the teeth i'd like
to have a second piece of apple pie
that's true okay
thank you thank you very much
and the unconscious wha what's your
perspective
well i'm with the other two
i vote no
okay
now just for the sake of an experiment
we're going to ask each of you to sit at
the kitchen table quietly and let's
listen to the conscience
and see what kind of super conscious
wisdom it can reflect
on this particular relationship
conscience
would you please speak
yes the conscience says
and here's what the conscience might say
you know everybody that
this life that we have is not a sprint
it's really more of a marathon and for
this marathon that we call life
we need strong teeth
and we need strong gums and we need a
strong
immune system
healthy immune system
so
right now we have an opportunity to
enhance
that immune system
and our teeth and our gums
so let's do
an experiment just for the sake of
seeing how it makes us feel
and sure enough because it's easy and
it's not threatening
we all march to the bathroom
brush our teeth and come back to the
kitchen table
and i is the parent again go through the
four functions of the mind ego
how was that experience for you
well it certainly wasn't as bad as i had
feared it would be
actually it was okay
thank you
senses how about you
well i was really surprised the senses
say because when the tongue glides over
the teeth now
i don't feel that mossy feeling and i
like that that's rather good to have
clean teeth
so
i was appreciative
unconscious mind what do you say
well it wasn't so bad it wasn't so bad
and so
so i'm making a friend
with the ego senses and unconscious mind
it's sort of like uh
adopting
a a puppy dog that has been abused
because
i have they have to trust me yeah now
does the
conscience always win
because does the conscience always
choose what is right or it knows what is
right even though you may choose the ego
you may choose
unconscious i don't want to think about
this i know it has consequences but
there's a step where we got to put those
consequences out of our head to even
allow us to
move forward are there is there
scenarios where
the others
we should pick the others or or or the
conscience would tell you yeah go with
the ego like how would that would that
work in that scenario or
conversation
the conscience would tell us if the ego
was correct or incorrect the ego uh
would tell us if a slice of excuse me
the conscience would tell us
if the
senses are correct that we need to
experience a slice of apple pie
but with the when when the issue is the
second slice of apple pie
the conscience might have a different
uh
uh opinion
now you mentioned it's almost just a
scenario in a practice that that we can
do and we've done these before with uh
with other other parts of the our our
psyche if you will nate just giving them
names and allowing them to come forth
and hey what are you doing why are you
here how are you helping that kind of
thing and it's pretty powerful and
profound experiences
and uh
and i i do think that a lot of uh
what we call exorcisms and casting out
of demons come forth with these parts of
the psyche that no longer serve you or
really lower nature
when they personify and you can get them
out kind of thing
excluding that
this scenario of sitting down at the
table can that and does that happen
this whole conversation
in in a matter of a millisecond or a
matter of a second
is that because
that depends on how long you've been
practicing yeah just like uh
when we were 14 15 or 16 and we learned
to drive a buy a an automobile
uh
it wasn't a no-brainer
how do you turn the wheel to the left
how do you turn the wheel to the right
how do you stop this automobile how do
you start this automobile how do you
parallel park
but now we have a global skill
we don't have to think about it it's
just a way of being and it's the same
so we we need to experiment experiment
continue to experiment
and sometimes it's a little longer
because maybe there's some emotionally
charged issues involved here
like fear or anger
or selfish desires
but there's there are answers for that
too because if i'm driving
on the highway
at
whatever the speed limit is
and some uh
maniac cuts me off going at 90 95 miles
an hour and i have to slam on my break
to avoid an accident
what comes forward from my unconscious
mind
oh a flood of anger a flood of anger
okay what am i going to do with this new
relationship with anger
am i going to serve it because if i
continue to serve it
hormones are going to be surging through
my entire body poisoning me
because
anger like fear and greed are
contractive and debilitating forces of
energy
but
i learned in fifth grade that energy
cannot be created nor can it be
destroyed but it can be
transformed can be transformed
so
i'm here to say that anger
fear and greed
if you have them in large quantity it
means that you are a rich human being
you are very wealthy it's like having a
gold mine
in your backyard or an oil deposit in
your backyard
but what we need is the refining
capacity to transform it from a
debilitating and a car and a contractive
poisonous form of energy into an
expansive
creative
energizing
form of energy
and the methodology for that type of
transformation
is
sacrifice
we have to
sacrifice that which the ego and the
unconscious mind are attached to the
anger
sacrifice it back to the origin from
which it has come what is the origin
from which it has come there's only one
origin of all and it's god no matter how
you define that
so you offer it back and in the process
of offering back
it's automatically transformed into
strategic reserves of healing energy an
expansion of our willpower and an
increase in our capacity to access super
conscious wisdom
so we become more creative
because we gave up
the anger and it was transformed
it takes a lot of energy to uh
to allow your body to be a conduit of of
that
uh those desires and you you waste it
like when people try to make you angry
like there's people who try to push your
buttons and nothing that they do works
they get angry and uh you know and maybe
at a point in your life when somebody
said something to you called you out of
your name made fun of you on the
internet it doesn't matter what it is
it's things that would have your ego's
like yeah we told you that they're going
to make fun of you maybe you should not
do podcasts anymore or at least turn
your camera off so they can't see you
you know these we're like hold on no i'm
going to
i like the camera i like you know
they're like no we need this we need to
look in look into the camera and speak
to the audience you know it's like
there's all of these things that come
into our head that
burn up your energy and so
when those comments come
because they i still get them myself
you know and
whereas it might have crippled me
because i would have processed it i
would have carried it with me
to deny it
you know to be in denial like hey those
things don't bother me yeah they do
bother me but
i'm gonna like you said give that
to the creator i'm gonna give it give
that energy back to god because to act
like it doesn't exist you may still
continue to carry it
but when you can channel that you can
channel that i i look at that as as a
service to god in an offering like i
could carry guilt shame and condemnation
but i'ma give it to you
he's okay well i'm gonna give you grace
and peace and joy and mercy that you can
now show to those people who tried to
take you out or tried to judge you or
make fun of you and in the end
if you pass the test right in this kind
of school that we're in
a lot of times in the end you end up
being an example you be you you are an
experiment to that person and don't even
know it you're a testimony of wow you
don't have to lash out
you know you don't have to
fight someone or get in road rage and
traffic or whatever
just smile and wave boys keep going you
know kind of thing but you let you let
something outside of you dictate the way
that you feel
and that's not that's never the way to
go right
right right
so in our culture the culture defines
that sacrifice to god
as a denial
oh i'm denying myself something pleasant
that's not true if you take a look at
the word sacrifice
at admiral etymologically
it comes from the latin and the italian
sacrifici it's to make it sacred
make this energy sacred that is
contractive and debilitating and that is
poisoning me how do you make it sacred
you offer it back to the one
the one origin of all
who will transform it into healing
energy willpower and creativity that i
can use at any time in any relationship
but i just want to
mention something that you raise that is
critically important and that is
what do i do when somebody criticizes me
tries to put me down
well there's two options
either the criticism is correct
and i was foolish and i made a mistake
and this person is alerting me to that
and i can make a mid-course correction
yeah thank you very much
the other option is they don't know what
they're talking about
right and any negativity then
is in their mind
so god bless you
yeah and uh and i have no need for that
suggestion
yeah there's um
every everything is a teacher right
every every
in in in school we did like you said
experiments and the teacher would
give us experiments to do and wow
so therefore
everything and everyone if you're if
you're conscious of it because to you
maybe everything's an enemy
but i don't believe like you so you have
to
transcend that ego and and learn through
experience that
listen everything is trying to god
consciousness
the center of super conscious wisdom is
trying to teach me through
every
thing in my life and i'm gonna learn i'm
a student
now are
that
you know that it's a test because i have
i i i took the course material
and now i'm being quizzed okay what do
we do what do we do
that's why i tell people that one of my
greatest teachers in life has been elvis
presley
i fell in love with elvis presley when i
was 10 years old i loved him when i was
20 30 40 50. i love him today
because i loved him i gave a lot of
attention to elvis presley
because i gave a lot of attention to him
i observed many of the choices that he
made in his life
some of which were in conflict with my
own inner wisdom
so in a real sense i am very grateful to
that teacher
because in many ways he taught me what
not to do
and he tried his best to model for me
how not to act so that i don't have to
touch every burner on the stove to know
which is hot and which is not
what he said don't be cruel didn't he
that's right don't be cruel
that's right
you talk plenty of good things how how's
the quote go i know it says like uh you
know
a smart man will learn from his own
mistakes
but a wise man will learn from the
mistakes of others
yes that's true and and they're modeling
for us
and if we are aware of it
then
we are meant to receive this teaching
but our culture says
criticize that person
because they're they're doing the wrong
thing they're stupid
they don't know what they're doing
well no no no that's not the message the
message is learn from it
yeah what is there to learn in this
situation
right if it's a good situation a bad
situation um
i always ask myself that and because i
feel like i'm i feel like there's
something for me to learn in every phase
in every conversation no matter how i
feel especially if you want to get out
of it like if you wanted to change what
am i what did i do that got me here
if i do it again it's going to get me
here again whether that's prison whether
that's prison of the own mind
um
you know but it's responding
i i think with love and and and
and that is just being mindful of like
okay what is the correct way to respond
i think that there is some ways that
that need a harsh rebuke or a stern
talking to it's
even though that is
love and it's the best choice for the
situation but it's about being cognitive
of that and just waiting highest the
highest principle uh
is non-injury non-harming because every
relationship is with ourselves
so if i am not uh
serving
in a loving way
then that injury
is going to come back upon me
if i give selflessly of myself that too
will come back
and something will be added unto me at
some point
yeah
yeah um
so who is
is is god the orchestrator of this like
something knows that we're going through
this there's synchronicities we begin to
learn is it god or is it just our
conscience that's perceiving or
consciousness perceiving what is and
just
true nature of reality of how things
work like is god like really
knows our thoughts or is it that we
start knowing our thoughts you know and
we start becoming aware
what's the difference what's the
difference there is no difference so god
this perfect
reality this perfect transcendent
reality in order to be god and and all
traditions say that god is omnipotent
omniscient and omnipresent okay
so this perfection
part of its nature
is to experience to experience the
infinite number of possibilities
how can this perfection experience the
infinite number of possibilities
there's only one way and that is to
willingly
lovingly and selflessly take on
ignorance
and that means
through the human being
to rely increasingly exclusively on the
ego senses and unconscious mind
rather than
a four-part harmony where the ego senses
an unconscious mind
will support whatever super-conscious
wisdom from the godhead
is reflected
into our conscious mind
it's um
it is a transformation it is a growth
and we learned
gnosis
really is learning uh
gnosco is the word but it's knowledge
gained through experience it's like oh
i've been here before highest that's the
highest let's show you how to get out
that's right i've been here before and
then we'd use it for ourselves obviously
but we try to we try to help other
people with it hey i've been talking
about service it's all about service
it's all about service
because it begins to help you
and somebody come comes in your life who
tells you hey don't go down that path
there's no two
there's no other
yes the limitation of my brain and my
senses see see two human beings right
now you have a body i have a body you
have a mind i have a mind you have
habits i have habits they're all
different
but
you're not your body i'm not my body
you're not your mind you're not i'm not
my mind you're not your habits i'm not
my habits because they're all changing
so there has to be something that never
changes within each of you
within each of us
and that is
i am
was there ever a time when that was not
true based on our memory
i am
has always been true
and if we can find something
between birth and death that has never
changed
it will also be true before birth
and after death
of the human being
and it's this i am-ness this beingness
this awareness
that's why jesus speaking as the christ
not as the nazarene but as the christ
says before abraham was
i am always been
because
he's not talking about the body
he's talking about consciousness and
similarly
moses he's in he's in the desert he's in
front of a bush it's on fire but it's
not being consumed so he knows he's on
holy ground
so he asks the bush who are you
and what does the bush reply
i am
that i am
oh moses has an epiphany
and yet a bubble from the unconscious
mind in the form of fear comes up in
moses's consciousness and says well i'm
a little concerned i'm a little worried
i have to go back and tell the hebrew
people who has sent me who am i going to
say has sent me and what does the bush
say
tell the hebrew people that i am
has sent you
so this i em-ness this beingness this
awareness this consciousness is closer
to us than our own breath yeah
yep
and whatever spirit we think holy spirit
is the holy breath it's always been
there
it's what the word means spirit holy
spirit is the holy breath it's always
been there
it just wasn't holy in your mind
when it becomes holy
and every breath is a prayer and every
and god is as close as your next breath
and you know and so that allows you to
experience it and like you said through
um some type of experiment let me
breathe and let me feel and let me let
me ponder what it would be like without
the breath let me go and let me go and
let me coordinate all the four functions
of the mind because the mind moves first
the body follows i can't raise my hand
without first entertaining a thought and
every action brings a consequence
um
the the i am
and uh one of the beautiful things that
i that i learned that i think that
really helped me with awakening if you
will was
um
knowing
the latter half of that i am as well
like i am that i am just tell him i am
but when you break down the word in the
hebrew name it goes a little bit further
it's i am that i am and i will be
whatsoever i will be and it's like
whatever you think i am i am
whatever name you give me i'll i have
become it whatever you need i will
become
creator destroyer friend foe
okay now we gotta we gotta experiment
with this like how close are you how
how how many of my prayers how many of
my thoughts you know and it just
i will be whatsoever i will be then we
start looking at
the names of god in the bible
i am this i am that i am this i am
jehovah rapha jehovah shalom i'm your
peace i'm your provider i'm your friend
i'm your husband i'm this i'm that
you're like oh my goodness is everything
that i need and more
and i'm your sustenance and stuff and
and it changes the limitations because
then people will say go ahead
can i read something to you yes this is
this is from my first book heart and
science of yoga
it's a little poem
i'm sorry
it says this
the oceans surge
the rivers roll
in me
the flowers smile the zephyrs blow
in me
in me in me
big fares are held and battles raged
in me
the mountains heave
and nature blooms
in me in me
in me
the comets fly and meteors die
cold winds sigh and thunders cry
in me
the foe contends
the friend defends
the mother sleeps
the baby weeps
in me
as as within
so without as above so below
right
and it's going on it's taking place
outside it is taking place in in in the
book and in the analogy in in the
allegory as you read it but all of that
is coming out of the mind and it's
taking place like you just said within
me because you're fearfully
and wonderfully made the kingdom
everything that you're looking for
is within we've been so deceived to
think that anything was outside of
ourselves
the you know the rationale the teacher
the the learning um even there's a
beautiful scripture in um
first john that it says you need not any
man to teach you but the holy spirit
will lead you and guide you into all
truth
and
and men do teach us right you know but
it's deeper it's not the man
it's the spirit that speaks through the
man when it's time for you to get a
concept when it's time for you to learn
you're going to get it if not it's going
to go over your head you're not going to
pay attention it's not going to stick
um it may plant a seed that that sprouts
later but when it's time for you to get
something it doesn't matter who is
saying it like balaam riding the donkey
the donkey spoke to him
and he learned it doesn't matter who
is your teacher
you hear the voice of what we are called
god in
all these other things and
for comparative theology and syncretism
it's it's a such a
a beautiful experience to see him in the
very thing that you hate and for many
many religious people it's other
religions you were taught to hate them
you thought that they were different or
they needed something that you had and
and in the very opposite was true you
needed something that they had and so
until you could get it until you can
train your mind
that god is speaking to the birds god is
speaking to my dog it's speaking through
the television through every book that i
that i read
what comes to me in meditations and
downloads and in those moments
things begin become a lot more fun
you're never alone it is more creative
you begin to trust
those intuitions
that are good
and um and and we begin to follow that
voice that's in the wilderness no matter
where you are it's speaking and
and it's never it's an evolution and i
say that as someone who is awake but i
know that
it's only just begun it just continues
and for you as well like it just can you
continue to grow and and find new ways
that that
the holy spirit that god that the breath
is speaking to you
and and moving to you and through you
and inspiring inspiring you to to help
others and to help yourself at the same
time and this is
this whole song and dance of learning
and you mentioned you mentioned
um
paul mccartney and these people who are
channeling if you will
this essence the these they learn the
song of the creator which is a song of
love and it is the flow state
um and you mentioned these guys and uh
but you also mentioned prophets
and oracles
who kind of deliver and
poetically
state these truths and articulate them
in song and in allegory
the prophets in the scriptures they they
were they had schools of prophets where
they trained you on this and they were
really big into music anyway like music
accompanied those guys so there was
there's a reason for that but
it's to to learn that universal song and
and hear that voice and just repeat it
right and
and uh and there's many different ways
to do it
right right so there's a beautiful quote
of jesus
speaking as the christ
written
in the gospel of thomas
the twin
of jesus
something to the effect that
if you bring forth that which is within
you
that which is within you will save you
if you do not bring forth
that which is within you
that which is within you will destroy
you
so we need to counsel within we have to
use our conscience to reflect super
conscious wisdom from the center of
consciousness and then turn it
into our thoughts our words and our
actions in the world
in our culture
there is
there is no desire
to go within it's all about manipulating
controlling obliterating
going out
to make me happy and to bring me things
that are pleasant
but the key to successful living
is to balance and unite the inner
with the outer so that they're
not separate they're not in conflict
so we counsel within
in order to know
how to act without
and what we're experiencing other people
are experiencing too right
so that's why it's good to share our our
stories and not hide it from the world
don't hide your struggle
show people how you got through it
and
vocalize it through a song through a
meditation through a prayer
you know and to tap into that with
others we're both singing a song right
now
we've been singing a song since we
started this program
how do we
how do we kick start it is that
meditation and mindfulness is there ways
to go in and like commune and like have
that
almost kickstarter yeah i want to be
conscious i feel like there's there's
things that we do in in meditation and
in prayer and in the in the secret place
of what jesus called it where stuff
things start there
and then
the end we ask a question in prayer and
then we see a billboard two days later
that is the answer to this thing that
you've put put out into your mind really
and and now you begin to see it
everywhere wow i asked this question now
i'm seeing it
in television programs and the sermon
the pastor was speaking and it how do we
start that i feel like there's something
that is is needed about sitting in
silence
even going within on a journey and we
learn that we get i feel we get better
at that is that something we can do i'd
say to kick to kick start that process
or to get clear on some things
meditation
uh is invaluable this is the key
yeah to uh
learning how to coordinate the functions
of the mind so that there will be a
reduction in the conflict in the mind
remember that
if there's conflict in the mind that's
the mother of all problems
and so
meditation trains the mind
to receive
skill sets
tools if you will
first of all
one pointed attention it learns to train
the mind and the energy of the mind to
focus just like a laser
on one object only
in our tradition it's mantra which is
the name of the supreme intelligence
and every tradition has mantras just the
name of jesus
yeah
is a mantra
but it's not the meaning
it's the vibration
jesus
and when we do that
the mind
which is already habituated
to thinking
will
bring forth a distraction
a thought an image a sound
and so
what we do in meditation is we create a
space between stimulus and response
and what's inside that space between
stimulus and response
freedom
to check with our conscience
to determine
what to do with this distraction
of course going in in meditation is the
only time that any distractions are
always to be sacrificed
just for the sake of an experiment to
train the mind yeah that's that's what
i've always done
but are we putting off things like
those distractions are like hey you've
been
you've been
you need to do these other things like
so when i go within i try to make sure
that i do
my chores for the day or whatever i need
to do just because i know it's going to
come up hey you need to be doing this
you need to be doing that
and getting clear these things come to
you some people will say okay whatever
comes to you well that's not meditation
okay that's contemplation that's
contemplation it's a different practice
in in meditation there's only one object
and that's the mantra
and when when you can focus on the one
mantra
for 60 seconds
start small
then you get one point of attention
you get
detached from stimulus and response
you get
wisdom and you get willpower
that you can use in every relationship
that was the jesus mantra you just did
it was in a song
jesus they reminded me of that
um
yeah going going within and uh
do we have so there's just uh
we we had a
obviously this
infinite potential right if that's where
we're going in to commune with a
a being or that which is is that which
is infinite um and we go in through
meditation the possibilities are endless
is it
do you find
next steps in the journey do you find
they find me
my job is simply to bring yesterday and
tomorrow into today
and bring today into now
and in the now in the present moment
simply serve the wisdom of the
conscience
and in that process
a new constellation of relationships
will be formed
which i will be serving
and that just brings me
my purpose
and my reward
when you do that do you
do you commune with other beings god
that supreme court is created does it
how can you not commune with god
well i mean some people would say
especially especially right now
especially with the mind they don't
personify it i'll say that does it does
it personify to you as a father as a
friend
as as in as uh love you know that kind
of thing where you can
like our minds are set up in such a way
where we have to give these things names
we have to give them personas
to we're operating on two different
levels of consciousness
so the human
level uh is dependent on these and so we
honor that but we also have a higher
perspective so we can transcend that
and just all that is and it's all the
same thing i know what you're saying i'm
the same way our our relationships
change with with such beings or search
situations and circumstances as our
conscience
learn as we learn
um you know in in my youth i was um
you know i battled my demons
and and i wanted anything for them to be
gone and to be banished and never remind
me and never never come back into my
life and those kind of things and i
scarcely made it out it was a very hard
time in my life and many of us have
those those experiences but now
coming full circle i'm thankful
for those demons for the creator for
this god for allowing me
sending them to my life allowing me to
be conscious and to learn they were my
greatest teachers
hey there's things that you do that
have
consequences and this negative stuff
that you're doing
opens you up for negative energies and
negative people and negative this and
negative that and when everything around
you especially when it comes to
spiritual and you can see into that
world
you get to see what you're dealing with
it was very scary like again
one thing i wanted to bring up earlier
as you're talking about this this
conversation is schizophrenia i was
going
schizophrenic i had voices speaking to
me that weren't
polite they were pulling me in portals
and trances all in my head and i would
it was scary i couldn't control it
anymore and i was a teenager and i had
to find solace and that's why i begged i
asked for christ to come into my life
again
and i got better and um no medicine just
prayer devotion
and that started that process of
changing my life and so but i'm thankful
for that stuff you know i'm thankful i
went through it versus so my
relationship with those demons are not
like
you know damn you it's hey
god hey i respect their position their
message
and what they taught me just like in
school
we have teachers
who we don't like or they're hard on us
some some people in school like when
it's when the kids get act out at least
when we were younger you got a paddling
you got discipline and it was only
certain teachers who would do it you had
to go see the coach you got to see the
principal it wasn't your math teacher
that was going to
paddle you
it's a hard lesson
hard lesson good because we knew
uh what it really meant there was
consequences yeah that's right that's
right that's right so in in that the the
schizophrenia with this dialogue
could that be a really heightened or
really loud
constant dialogue that an individual
hasn't
learned to turn up or down and you have
all of these
all those voices are speaking right but
they're still they're soft you know you
said that but we get loud voices
sometimes we get there's some we can't
sleep we lay our head on our pillow and
we're plagued but when an individual
will have all of these ideas and this
and that and my mom said this and the
ego says pay him back conscience says no
and it's a war in your head do you think
that that could be what a lot of
individuals are experiencing as
schizophrenia
i would think so i would think so and
that's that just speaks to the
importance of coordinating the functions
of the mind even recognizing that i have
functions of the mind that need to be
coordinated so that i can see
the agenda
behind the ego's recommendations
the senses recommendations the
unconscious's recommendations and know
that the key
is always going to be the super
conscious wisdom reflected by
the conscience
but all roads lead to where we stand
those those trials that you have gone
through that every human being goes
through on some level
have brought us to this moment yeah
that's why i'm thankful for sure
that's right i wasn't at first i became
thankful well
it's a journey the whole thing is a
journey
it's not the destination
yeah and it's an eternal journey
and that's god too right again to say
that that wasn't god or god didn't have
his hand in that or something that's
just nothing that is not god there you
go it's dualism it's duality it's that's
right it's separateness well and that
book but that's the prison in which
human beings live duality
i am separate that's original sin right
and uh
that happens very honestly
uh during the birth experience during
the birth experience you know we don't
we don't have any experience uh uh uh
with the senses and yet even though the
eyes cannot focus and see
the light is relatively blinding from
you know being uh in mama's womb
and and and we're swallowing so we're
tasting for the first time what is that
and the smells what's that and the
sounds
the sounds are so loud relative to what
i was just listening to mama's heart
beating and and her belly gurgling and
her little prayers as she rubbed her
belly
now you're getting shots and you're
getting pulled and there's men in your
face you know when we're born we have no
clothes on and
so it's cold
and and yet that that dis-ease and
anxiety that i feel as a newborn
stops immediately
when all of my attention goes down
to
my mother's
breast and i begin nursing at her nipple
then i'm not so concerned about the
light or the smells or the taste or the
sounds or the touch
i'm in bliss i'm in fullness and in that
moment
me
this newborn baby make my first ignorant
conclusion
that i am a separate entity
and mama is a separate entity
and certain objects in the material
world wherever it is that i am right now
have some power to make me happy and
eliminate my pain
and that creates a channel
a deep channel a crater in the
unconscious mind
and as i get uh as i grow and i get a a
bottle of milk the channel gets deeper
and i identify my happiness with the
milk
when my uncle get an aunt give uh comes
for my birthday and they give me a
stuffed animal
that makes me happy and the channel gets
deeper always thinking that objects and
relationships in the material world
have some magical power to make me happy
and eliminate my pain it's just not true
reward in fact in sanskrit the word mama
means mind
this is mine
it's the reward
it's the reward and they've done studies
on children like
of of showing them consequence and and
reward for doing certain things and and
a child getting
uh disciplined for not eating their food
and
and uh and then the other child who
wouldn't eat it they begin to eat
because they see the consequence and
they see what's coming so we're picking
up these these habits that if we do good
deeds and we do good works then we get
rewarded um
or or we're a good child right the you
the bad child goes to timeout the one
and and not everything that you've done
was bad you know kanye west no bad there
is no good only thinking makes it so
that's what shakespeare says i'm with
shakespeare kanye west talks about when
he was a kid he'd stand up on the table
and dance and stuff and entertain his
family and it wasn't bad until
he got a spanking and now there's no
more entertaining on the table you know
and
it was it really that what he was doing
was bad no but now in his head
he's got the synapses that says yeah
don't don't do that again
and uh and and we learn and then when
you say religion you know and original
sin
um
that's the the idea that
you know the gospel is what christ like
cleanses your mind from that is really
what it is it's like no you're not a
sinner you're the beloved of god it's so
much so that before i formed you in your
mother's womb i knew you and i want you
i want to get you back to that innocence
that you had so the guilt the shame the
condemnation that touch not taste not
drink not
get get a get rid of that that god will
accept you if you clean yourself up you
know that's what much much religion says
like clean yourself up and then god will
accept you it's like no that cleaning up
process is just
letting go of obstacles that are in the
unconscious mind these these dark
boulders that are blocking the light
it's it's um
it's it's god that has accept you and
would never reject his creation uh is
what gives you the power to do so
right as long as you have guilt shame
and condemnation on you you're not
changing anything you're wallowing in it
you don't have the power
you you're around people who are in the
same situation it takes some kind of
um
moment of bliss moment to see the light
whether that's a near-death experience
whether that's learning from somebody
else who's in front of you my brother
i seen him go ahead of me and somebody
that i looked up to for a long time
just like you said
elvis i looked up to my brother but i
was like uh i may not want to do those
things because the outcome
is never good you know and i get to
learn from other people and
you know drug addicts and things and hey
i don't i need to stay away from that
you know before before i have to go can
i just read just a little bit
uh right on this topic
from uh you know my new book your
conscience let's do it
okay so just take a minute
it goes like this let's begin our
exploration with an old mythological
story about the beginning of time
long ago when the universe was being
created
and everything was just about ready to
go live the creator
realized that there was one final task
to complete
so an angel was summoned
when the angel arrived
the supreme intelligence
aka god adonai allah brahman divine
mother great spirit
told the angel that there was one last
job to do before the universe could be
fully
functional i saved the best for last the
creator told the angel
in my hands
i hold the key for accessing the highest
wisdom
the power to creatively resolve all of
life's challenges
the sacred treasure is of infinite value
and when it is finally found human
beings will know its blessings to be
inexhaustible
we need to find a safe place
to protect this treasure
so the angel agreed to the task and
offered up an idea
i will hide the treasure of life on top
of the highest mountain peak
the treasure will be too easy to find
there replied the creator
okay said the angel
then i'll hide your treasure in the
middle of the largest and driest desert
on planet earth
surely they won't look there
no
too easy
in the vast reaches of the universe ask
the angel
that would definitely make for a
demanding search but no
the creator said while contemplating
and then
in a flash of supreme genius
these words were spoken by the creator
i've got it
hide the highest wisdom of life
within human beings
they will look their last and know how
precious and how valuable this treasure
is
yes
hide the treasure there
there's so many beautiful analogies in
that
and the creator speaks to us through
analogies but then our own life within
the scriptures they're so beautiful like
even you the buried treasure
you know
do you remember the uh the uh the
parable of of um
the the treasure that's buried in the
field and and it was so valuable and
worth so much that
the person ended up selling everything
that they own all of their possessions
in order to go and buy that field
because i know that there's a hidden
treasure there in it for me that's
worth way more than what i currently
possess now so the the beauty of analogy
and i know that's near and dear to your
heart uh analogies in in the
you know all of the metaphors there was
an interesting one
uh two days ago three days ago on the
podcast and i was just kind of in the
flow talking about these analogies and
and talking about um momentary pleasures
instant gratification how we got to stay
away from that and i remember when when
that
when when that word hit me and it was in
a truth i was reading a book by manley p
hall
about magic and a lot of it was about
dark white black and gray and it just
explains the differences and some cool
stuff there but at the end he started
talking about staying away from
instant gratification and we need to tap
into delayed gratification and then i
heard
entrepreneurs and people who deal with
money and finances and stuff they start
talking about it then i'm thinking about
a seed and we put a seed in the ground
and we gotta continue to water it and
then once it sprouts up we gotta make
sure it gets sunlight and in proper
shade and continue to cultivate it and
it's like this is this is something that
i plant now that's going to feed me and
my family for maybe generations to come
it's not instant
the work is today i got to put in work
but it's going to
continue to give to me later whether
that's a book whether that's a
music and royalties that continue to pay
there's so much more love joy peace
paying it forward continues to pay and
that that subject is so near and dear to
my heart but i was thinking about the
analogy of willy wonka in the chocolate
factory and i know you know this movie
but it just hit me out of nowhere in
this free flow and
i'm thinking of
all of these kids
have won the chance to take the tour of
the factory of all of these delicacies
and delicious chocolates and and new
candies that nobody's ever tasted before
but uh willy wonka's like here you take
this you take that so he gave the kids
candy as they're going through the tour
but they're like no i want i don't want
this i want that
so all of the kids like gave in to the
instant gratification i need to eat this
chocolate i'm gonna swim in the
chocolate river it's like no you can't
contaminate it and there's all these
rules that they broke to get the instant
gratification
and in the end we see charlie who was
essentially
given the keys to the kingdom he was
given the keys to
the factory the key to limitless
potential of a happy life of a good life
limitless wisdom and uh because he was
faithful
with the the task at hand
where he could have
joined the kids and ate all the candy
and and they had consequences and that
the keys were were given to him because
he
chose delayed
gratification and i know he was tempted
he wanted it looked fun the kids were
getting it and rubbing it in his face
but just
the analogy in that movie where he was
given even charge over the precious
oompa loompas
and willie had to he had willy wonka had
to find somebody he can trust
and i feel like that same is with god i
got to make sure i can trust you
are you going to do the right thing or
are you going to
yell at this person in traffic are you
going to swerve at them are you going to
throw
trashing out the window like there's so
everything is a test everything is a is
an experiment as you said for us to move
deeper and deeper into this oneness and
literally embrace the keys of the
kingdom of the heavens to go within
and be at peace with god and be at peace
with with everyone around us leonard
thanks for coming on the show your book
is the key to unlock limitless wisdom
and creativity and solve all of life's
challenges it is the conscience your
conscience where can people go to get a
copy of the book to listen to your
lectures and and learn what you're
bringing to the table where's the best
place for people to check out your work
uh we have two websites the book has a a
website
yourconscience.org yourconscience.org
and then
i founded in 1996
the american meditation institute that's
where i teach
and uh that website
uh listing all classes and lectures is
americanmeditation.org
awesome awesome
i really enjoyed this conversation
enjoyed connecting with you picking your
brain again i love this subject and i'm
a student of it thanks so much for
hanging out with me and uh we'll have to
do it again thank you so much
i look forward to it all right leonard
many blessings brother thanks for coming
on
god bless you all right shalom thank you
leonard leonard
promoter pearl mudder ladies and
gentlemen enjoyed it
good talk exploring
consciousness
exploring
your conscience because god
speaks the holy spirit speaks
to and through your conscience you know
and i think that as we
you know study even myself it's like
okay is god is the holy spirit
is it your conscience that's speaking to
you and rationalizing no it's like your
conscience mind the egoic mind the super
conscience and and the unconscious and
there was one more but
that's what
that's how we decipher
all of the information the five senses
in logic ego conscience and unconscious
that's how we disciple decipher what
spirit is saying what god is saying what
the holy spirit is saying to us you have
to decipher it so i don't think it is
your conscience right but it's how you
you respond and how you receive and you
know we talk about the third eye the
mind's eye and and how that allows you
to to see and to hear in the spirit and
and to have your mind let your eye be
single and not be double-minded because
the bible says that a double-minded man
is unstable in all of his ways
because you're divided
you're divided
and so you have to get clear
and that's through
testing that is through trial that is
through study that is through experiment
and and seeing the results that that
come about uh making
the right decisions over and over
just like
teaching your egoic mind hey it's okay
every creator everybody who bursts
something and starts something
even people who are like really
confident most of them go through
like
questioning themselves and having the
the ego still jump in
and say hey don't do it remember what
happened last time but it's about you
identifying
the voice
of
you would say that your adversary
the devil
and not choose the egoic mindset the ego
will tell you
don't do it yeah don't do it and it's
something that you really should do
it's a dream it's a vision that you have
for yourself they're going to make fun
of you you know i deal with with healers
and i deal with coaches and stuff and
many people
are already trained in all of this stuff
and are already ready to launch
and to birth whatever it is that they
want to do but the only thing that is
stopping them is fear
fear of ridicule fear of what others are
going to say
fomo fear of missing out there's this um
place in their head like you can't go
live on facebook and read tarot cards
because
your mom's gonna see it you did what you
did what because these people know you
they know you so there's the the empire
the fear of being an imposter
because they know
the real you they know that you were
struggling last week but this this week
you're praying for people and giving
uh advice you know and and you were
asking for advice last week and so
there's all of these reasons that pop up
not to and they exist for a reason i
think that you should take them into
consideration like leonard said sit down
and we're about to have a sit down
okay why should i do it why shouldn't i
do it you need a team
you need a team with you that you can
discuss things should i do this no
versus acting on impulse
anything worth doing is worth doing
right
and i think that as you get better at
this
you're able to do all you bet you're
able to have that sit down
in a matter of a second
and you just know there's a feeling that
comes with it that when when you're
conscious of speaking and it's saying
yeah do it you need to do this is what
we've been we've been waiting for this
conversation i'll talk to people and uh
and they'll ask me um if i'm interested
in doing things and um
we have will you you know will you do
the interview on my podcast will you
come here
for this speaking engagement this event
will you do it
and
back in the day in in the church realm
there was a lot of christians who would
do that and they would say let me pray
about it let me pray about it and like
every opportunity they had they say let
me pray about it
and uh
and it seemed like it was a no like they
just didn't want to let the person down
because somebody would ask me a question
yeah i'm down let's do it because i
would automatically feel a resonance
you know i would feel that resonance and
i would know that this was something
that that i wanted to do
unless it was something really big and i
needed other people's opinions and my
wife and those kind of things i said
well let me talk to my wife let me see
make sure we got nothing going on and
let me get back with you but as far as
me wanting to do it like i would feel
instantly and i still do it but i
remember a lot of the christians would
say yeah let me pray about it first man
let's just be sure let's pray about it
but that was their way of blowing you
off it seemed like but then again
maybe they weren't trained
on taking those tests over and over and
knowing what brings them joy knowing
what what the future holds and what
opportunity was
maybe they weren't
trained on that to do that within a
second
maybe them going back and taking it in
prayer was the long version
of let me get a yes or no
on this on this the subject or situation
maybe they had to go back to the table
which was a process of 20 minutes
okay ego uh we're going to do this no no
don't do it because troops be good
don't do it you know in this
planning committee
that goes on within your head
you know and um
versus an instant an inner knowing a
quickening in the spirit that you've
trained yourself to say yep let's do it
i'm good
and it's not to say that you didn't
listen to the conscience you didn't
listen to the ego but that you knew
instantly because there was a piece
about it you already knew in your spirit
if you got a check in your spirit it's
not to say yes to everything but if you
got to check in your spirit he's like
nah i'm doing that i'm not you was no
i'm not doing it i'm not doing it i just
don't
feel it you know and maybe that's what
those people would do but just say that
they were praying about it and getting a
little bit deeper and a little bit
clearer
um
the more that you make the right
decision
the more that you say yes
to your calling to your destiny to those
things that are here to help you
um and most of you know what that is on
the inside
um one more you say yes you begin to
learn there's a pattern there's a there
is over even without a reward system
again of the the child who gets rewarded
with with uh toys and and and money when
you do your you do your chores and
things like that there's a reward system
there's also a reward system in the
spirit whether that's uh bliss that
overcomes you through meditation and
through prayer because i i i can say
unequivocally that i
have clean hands and a pure heart that i
can stand before the creator without
having anything that separates us your
sin is what separates you it's missing
the mark it's doing things that you know
you shouldn't be doing so that's that
creates a a tear it creates double
mindedness in the mind
so you can't stand
and look up to heaven and raise holy
hands everywhere because there's
something that you're ashamed of there
is a guilt and condemnation there
so you have to make sure that every area
of your life is submitted to christ
that there's no area in your life that
you're holding back from god and it's
just this is for me know god is in all
and through all and god is my champion
god wants good things for me you got to
change the way you you view and see god
there's a lot of people who
um
see religion and and these things as
they're supposed to be a suffering
servant
so your
your revelation changes
and the way you respond
so
the more you do the right thing the
closer you get and the more familiar you
get with that reward system
and the more that you say yes the more
that you do the right thing the more
natural
it becomes because you you're used to
the feeling you're used to success
you're used to money you've been trusted
with it you know and you just go deeper
and deeper into that
learning
and you open up
realms for abundance for yourself
you open up realms for better
relationships
everything better everything gets an
upgrade
because you're worth it and you know it
not everybody knows it so what does it
take it takes experience it takes
stepping out
and know that nobody's going to do it
for you you have to do it for yourself
getting clear
on your conscience because the bible
talks about
people who have moved forward
in lies in hypocrisy
they've lived a double life you're
double-minded they've went against their
conscience
so many times
that the scripture says that their
conscience is now seared with a hot iron
it's seared it it doesn't really even
work anymore
because you're so you forgot how to use
it it's it's
it's calloused
because you've you've trained you've
learned just as you've learned people
can learn to do the right thing you've
learned how to shut that voice down
and now the voice doesn't speak speak to
you as clearly anymore because the other
louder voices are there
what is that the voice of the ego
the voice of the devil the voice of your
mom
the voice of the accuser
they speak louder than the voice of the
conscience of the voice of the holy
spirit speaking to you
because it's been seared with a hard
iron because
you've agreed with a lie so you have to
get clear on that on on what is truth
and what is holding you back
from allowing that that free flow of
grace and creativity to flow to and
through you
do it with a clear conscience not
everybody can you know i have a lot of
friends of mine who who uh maybe start
out in church and things like that and
then they fall into uh tough times or
maybe they get on drugs and maybe they
get into relationships and they do they
do those things against their conscience
like they do things knowing that they
shouldn't and they just continue to do
it and then they live in it and then a
month pass and in a year two years three
years passed by
and so they
they have this condemnation they have
this guilt and shame that comes with
them because they've been living two
lives there's this conscience life that
they've trained
in union with god and the holy spirit
and the scriptures and to do what is
right but then they do what is wrong
against it knowingly
listen it's not in your ignorance
we talked about this the other day
father forgive them for they know not
what they do there's grace for your
ignorance but it's when you willingly
step out against it when they say hey
don't eat that candy
baruch salt don't eat that and you do it
anyway okay well
the consequences whatever comes you
you've said you're you're willing to
deal with that
and i don't want to go back down that
that rabbit trail even all this is
connected but i talked about it on the
last at the end of the last podcast um
but those people would
would have that guilt shame and
condemnation and they'll say you know
i've heard people say i don't want to
let god down man i don't want to
come back and i don't want to
i don't want to
say yeah because i think that god
doesn't love me or or god has given up
on me or whatever and there's all of
these weird excuses that that are
beliefs in their head
they genuinely believe this stuff
but my reply to them is listen
it's not too late for you
it's never too late for you why because
you have a conviction
the conviction is still yet there yeah
it's buried under other excuses
and a lifestyle and
habits but the conviction is still there
so as long as that conviction is still
there and there's still breath there's
still hope
there's still hope because people do the
same thing that you're convicted about
even though you've continued to do it
anyway
there's people who move
into the realm where
they're no longer convicted of doing
that anymore
because they've shut down the voice of
their conscience the voice of god of
their intuition god that speaks through
that they've shut it down and they've
learned how to quiet it down
no no no no
boom it's gone okay it's gone and you
start responding to that when you look
at you know
people who are just habitual
doing crazy sins let's say murder
you hear about people like
um jeffrey dahmer and
um
ted bundy and these guys like
the first time it was like
oh wow i can't believe i just did that
you know they stepped and they did
something they knew they shouldn't do
but eventually they get used to it okay
this is
they rationalize the cost of a human
life and what a life is worth and um
they
give in to the egoic mind or the
animalistic nature
and so something that was shocking at
first
is now normal there's normalcy to it and
there is not now no more conviction over
that when the bible talks about you your
conscious is seared with a hot iron
that's what it's talking about there is
no conviction there is no i can't
believe i just did that help me
and i want to stop it's gone but as long
as you still have that no matter what
you've done no matter what you're doing
there's grace for you
and there's still hope
because you are convicted you don't want
to do it
you don't wake up and want to do those
bad things you fall into it you want to
do what's right but because of
circumstance because of situation
because of habit and because of your
environment
that all of those things can change mind
you they can be retrained and re
re-taught
your diet
can be retrained and your taste
buds all of it
but you gotta
show some resistance the bible says in
James 4 7 one of my favorite scriptures
i'm going to be doing pre-order
autographed copies of my album
and i've always
signed my autographs with this scripture
i write my name and i write the
scripture James 4 7 because it's one of
the first scriptures i learned that
really helped me but it speaks to this
it says
therefore
submit yourselves unto god
resist the devil
and he will flee
draw nigh to god and he will draw near
to you
show some resistance
show some resistance to that thing that
you're doing that you wish you wouldn't
take a stand
put your foot down
whatever habitual thing that is show
some resistance and then rely on god ask
god for help
i can't do it on my own strength i fail
every time
submit yourself to god in that in that
realm in that mindset
ask for help submit yourselves to god
resist the devil and he will flee that's
temptation
for every temptation you have have god
has offered you a way out
for every comfort you have that's
hurting you
what is comfort that's hurting you
instant gratification because in the
moment it feels good
but there's no lasting or long-term
results
delayed gratification is the way to go i
know i've been on this really
really strong because i know somebody
who's listening that needs this
you need it
don't give up on your dreams they
haven't give given up on you
but there's things that you got to do in
order to embrace it
things you got to let go of
things you got to embrace so do what is
right
even when nobody's looking
because somebody's always looking
you entertain spirits unaware
and you don't even know it
with that i'ma say peace and shalom
thank you guys for hanging out with me
enjoyed this
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