Aliens Are Here! Paranormal Encounters & Strange Beings - Ryan Musgrave-Evans - TruthSeekah Podcast
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guest is my friend
ryan
musgrave evans ryan
welcome to the true secret podcast my
friend how are you hey dude
good man thanks for having me good to
have you here man pleasure to be here
uh you're you're uh your publicist your
publisher he's kind of wearing both hats
uh you know good friends of mine he
sends me a lot of the the authors and
people that he works with and uh phillip
mantle and from flying disc press and he
sent me your release in your book and uh
i read it and i was like yep
we should have a talk and then i went to
your youtube channel and i got to hear
you
kind of just free flowing and sharing
these thoughts and and subjects
from your book on your youtube channel
and i was like oh yeah we're gonna have
a good time
welcome to the podcast man
yeah cheers man thanks cool so you read
the book nice one yeah uh well i did i
didn't read the whole thing i i did a
synopsis
there'll be questions yeah yeah trust me
i already have the questions down i've
already i've already uh uh i know where
i want to go with it but then we'll let
spirit and in the chat take us other
places too
so sounds good i'm gonna pick your brain
and we're gonna connect but uh
for people who don't know who you are is
the first time hearing about you hearing
hearing uh about your your work your
book and everything you bring to the
table uh go ahead and just kind of give
a quick overview who you are what you do
we'll start there man
okay cool yeah thanks man
okay guys g'day um i'm ryan 41 year old
australian
um i've been a nurseryman an elementary
school teacher
i've been an experienced of
race of future lineage humans or
actually we could talk a little bit more
about that at a later time and and talk
about how it depends on what you mean by
time travel
um
uh all my life i've had interesting
experiences
but early on in my childhood and teenage
years and even into my 20s i was
presuming that these beings were some
kind of earth spirits fairies
elves
became impassioned about learning about
celtic spirituality and
mythology
eastern mysticism as well
i really got into there at one stage
um
particularly though the celtic fairy
faith and i really got
impassioned about learning the gaelic
language and became a real linguistic
nerd because of that
um and i've been learning that for like
about 20 years now
but it was in the past
it was around about 2013 or 2014
that my experiences started really
hitting a new level where
um
the interactions were less sort of uh
dreamlike
and more defined and and
vivid
and became to take more started to take
more of a slant to make them sort of
more interpretable as maybe being et
related so that's when i sort of had
this
sort of dawned on me that my earlier
experiences
could maybe have been described as et
related as well and then i started to
question
the relationship between older
mythologies particularly celtic
mythologies but world mythologies in
general middle east and stuff with the
gin and
eastern
characters as well from their folklore
and things like that they're have a lot
of similarities
um
really going to be jacques vallee
macatoni's
adopted the word crypto terrestrials
from mctoney's the late great mactones
who wrote his book
um the crypto terrestrials
meditation on indigenous humanoids and
the aliens among us
and we're gonna regrettably he passed
away
in 2009
as a very young man only in his 30s but
his book was published posthumously in
2010 it's a cool little book but i took
his word crypto terrestrials
uh because he talked about these kind of
ideas related to jacques villa's ideas
about maybe there being this
continuation between the fairies of old
and et phenomena and close encounters of
post 1947 say
um and but he also mixed it with ideas
about the beings perhaps being
indigenous
to this planet rather than
extraterrestrial
or extra solar even a lot of the time
people presume alien of the the beings
behind
close encounters and stuff people
normally presume they're even
from beyond our solar system let alone
just from beyond the earth
he had he had different reasons for
thinking that um
but
i've started
investigating these beings that have
been uh involved with all of my life
looking for them building a crypto
terrestrial crypto terrestrial profile
through my book
and that's what the book's really about
it's mostly about the
an investigation into their presence
through different cases
but i do go into my own experiences
towards the end of the book
so yeah basically that's that's that's
the spiel dude
man
even in that there's just so many
questions i have i always ask my guest
man like
like what was the first
the first incident the first experience
that you can remember we'll say that
like just tracing it back was it stuff
that was going on when you was a child
was it
um through when you started you know
looking into eastern mysticism that did
weird things start happening in your
life when like when was when did all
this start for you to even to pique your
interest in this stuff
well the the earliest
well actually there are a couple of
memories i'm not quite sure what agel
would have been
um i would have been quite young
um
four or five or so where i would wake up
in the middle of the night and i'd feel
that there was a presence
i'd wander around and not be able to
wake up my siblings and my parents
um
and then wander outside where they were
glowing what i thought were harlequins
leaping up into the air and floating
back down luminous things
and
would go off with them and then wake up
again in bed
or um another time i was grabbed by
something and was put into a sack like
it was a sack or something when i went
outside and looked up at a boat that my
dad had built that sits in my parents
front yard still he built this large
boat that
saw the sea at one stage but mostly
lived in my parents place
um and different
my brother and i at one stage had used
that boat as a bedroom and things at one
stage where it was sort of like a
separate room as a
50-foot boat
i went out when i was a kid and looked
up
in the middle of the night not being
able to wake my family and this big dark
shape was standing on
on the boat and jumped down onto me and
wrapped me up in something
and ran away
and i could feel myself being taken away
and then as i was
struggling whatever it was slowed down
opened the sack and patted me
and closed the sack again and started
running off again and i
then had missing time woke up hysterical
sort of hanging off my bed so there's
though
those kinds of experience had a few of
them but i don't know what age would
have been i would probably be in about
four or five or maybe six
the one experience i had in broad
daylight with my family i know how old i
was i was one month shy of turning five
and it was christmas time
and my family and i had gone down to um
the local golf course
uh where it was traditional for us to
um
it was a small pine tree wood like
pinus radiata north american pine trees
were growing on this golf course
and we'd go in there every christmas and
take just a limb off a large tree and
drag that home and use that as the
christmas tree
so one year we were down there my mum
was standing next to me with my little
brother on her hip
and my older siblings that were a fair
bit older than me like 10 years older
than me
jumped the fence and went off into the
trees
and i couldn't see them anymore and i
was standing there on the edge of the
for of the wood with my mum
and there behind a big pine tree
this dark face came out one side with
four long
really long thin fingers like out here
wrapped them around the pine tree looked
at me it had like a triangular shaped
face
and i always thought it sort of looked
like a mask it had these marks on its
face that at the time i sort of thought
maybe it would like war paint or
something but
um it's it had its head um had sort of
like some ridge sort of
looking
uh lumps on top
big dark eyes
went behind the tree to the other side
looked at me went back behind the tree
again and the interesting thing as well
was that
its hands and its arms
and parts of its face i think
looked like they were made out of the
tree
like it was
one with the tree and that's
and i said to my mum
what is that and she was like what are
you talking about i can't say anything
she said oh that's you know she was
talking about my sisters and brothers
and stuff she's i'm like no no no just
here behind this tree right here like
it's only like 20 foot away
she couldn't see anything
it was still behind the tree moving back
and forth and my brothers and sisters
came back again and walked straight past
it and couldn't see it
now that
after that um
incident
uh
i started believing in fairies i
presumed it was like a some kind of
earth spirit it was a spirit of pine
tree or something like that and that
really fueled my interest in
uh paganism like a wicker and druidry
celtic paganism
over the years over my teenage years
became quite obsessed about that and
studying fairy myth
but um
yeah so they're some early experiences
for you
wow
yeah i like i like to trace it back man
you know having my own
very similar experiences to what you're
talking about just remember wandering
through the house and no nobody being at
home
like all the family brothers sisters
everybody's gone mom dad at like
you know the wee hours of the morning
nobody's in the house and i'm you know
four years old or whatever and having a
bunch of weird stuff like you're saying
happening when you're a kid and the
weird thing is we we just have pieces of
it you know we just remember little bit
little bitty pieces of it back then and
um
so for you like
you should kind of start tying a lot of
this stuff together like a lot of the
different myths and and and ufos and
ufology that's that's very popular now
and and is it do you think that that
these could be the same type of beings
the same type of type of uh entities or
is there just like a whole plethora of
beings that exist on many different
realms or frequencies and in nature and
in the sky and in volcanoes or in the
trees you know is it a bunch of
different things going on what do you
think's happening well
in regards to this i'm pretty boring
where um
i'm not i'm not sure like i don't i
don't know about
that it very well may be it's not for me
to say that these things don't exist
that there aren't beings that are
interdimensional we can't see that
um moving around that we don't know
about that aren't related to the kinds
of beings i'm talking about
um
but
the the
the ones that i know about
uh are
what charles hall
in his millennial hospitality series of
books
called tall whites
and what
pride
could be a short white
same here
well a lot of them are as well they take
a long time to grow so
uh but uh yeah yeah uh
the the
prior to that they were normally called
nordics like people and nowadays people
often use the term nordic to mean
something different to tall whites like
they've
divided
what the terms meant but earlier on
nordics were what tall whites were
called and then once and then post
charles hall's millennial hospitality
books they started calling them tall
whites or
but um
they're the ones i know about that but
they're flesh and blood you know they're
they're it's nuts and bolts so their
technology is so advanced that in a way
it blurs the line between
spirituality and sort of more
metaphysical understandings about
natural reality and sort of more
tangible nuts and bolts reality
but uh yeah i
i know that a lot of the ufo
and close encounter um phenomena that's
occurring at the moment is them in fact
in my opinion it's most most of it um
and then maybe some of it's us back
engineering their own stuff as well a
little bit and then maybe other stuff is
true genuine aliens that don't have any
genetic affiliation with anything on
earth because these guys are
future versions of ourselves that have
left
for a prolonged period and come back
again
to heal their
unraveling
uh
genomes their impoverished genetic codes
but
but uh yeah so i'm pretty boring in that
sense so yeah um okay well i just well i
know that i know that you do you do talk
you know you started studying fairies
and and some of that myth and stuff so i
didn't know if you thought that it was
all the same thing and i just wanted
just to be clear on that so
um so i guess the the two next questions
i have and you can you know whichever
you prefer to answer first like um how
did you know that you were in contact
right you have these little vague
memories when you're younger but what
made it real for you that you were
actually in contact with these type of
beings
and two
who are they so whichever one you want
to go first we'll we'll get the both of
those questions
i'll i'll do the first one you'll ask
first um
uh
well the
in about 2013 or 2014 when i was like
yeah this this is this is real this is
happening and there's like
physical effects left in in material
reality and all this kind of stuff
um
was um an event that i had
happened to me where i was outside on
our porch there'd been another event
couple of nights before where i'd come
home in the middle of the night it was a
shorter event where i walked back i
opened our door in the middle of the
night
put the keys back on the peg
levitated back to bed and then thought
hold on a sec
something just took me then or something
that was weird right
but a couple of nights later i said i
want to remember more of it if you
messed with my memory i want to remember
more of whatever that happened then so a
couple of nights later i was out on a
veranda a porch
lining up
coins and like drinking glasses
um just kneeling down lining them up
which is a sort of like an obsessive
compulsive mind state that seems to take
over with me when they're manipulating
my mind in some
ways sometimes using mesmerization
drop down to my knees and start like
doing tasks and things like that so um
that was happening i stood up i went to
walk back inside and i levitated and
either went around the outside of the
roof of the veranda or straight through
it i'm not quite sure
because they
intangibility comes into play as well
they can make you intangible to pass
through objects and stuff went up and
then all of a sudden i was in a bed with
a woman
huge blue eyes short blonde hair
sitting next to me
um where i had one leg sort of to the
side so that there was room on the bed
when she had sat in that space just
below my right knee
really tall guy dressed as a medic with
huge long fingers feeling around in my
teeth
so this was like a really
and i was fully aware
fully aware and i could move
well i felt like i could move if i
wanted to but i had this overriding
thought all the time you can move if you
want but you don't want to
right
and that's kind of
i feel that a lot when i'm having these
kinds of interactions with them whether
i don't want to bother them i want them
to do what they want to do but i'm not
quite sure how much of those thoughts of
my own and how much you're implanted
where they're removing me as a threat by
telling me what to think um the guy went
behind me they lifted my head and
the most
freaking painful proceed did the
incredibly painful procedure like in the
back of my skull just where the
vertebrae goes in
like but
worse than the worst
feeling i've ever had without any
anesthetic and worse than
a tattoo i've got
that you know goes under my arm people
say they're supposed to be bad now this
was just like intense but
no kind of adrenaline response
completely calm while it was happening
feeling like that was being projected
from the woman actually that kind of
sense
um
and then uh
that then they were gone and i was like
they're still here i could still feel
there was a presence and at no stage did
i feel like i'd fallen asleep like they
were there and then all of a sudden boom
they're just gone i got up i went to the
bathroom
i came back again
um
but then i had this sort of like a weird
lucid dream i have a lot of lucid dreams
but i had this sort of dream when i was
outside and the sky was sort of these
weird colors and moves and purples and
reds and stuff
and i screamed out into the sky
um which is something that i do when i'm
doing when i'm lucid dreaming it's just
sort of like a habit of mine where i'm
thinking maybe i'm not the only
sentient being in this dreamscape so
i'll see if anything responds but when i
did that all of a sudden i felt myself
being pushed back into bed
and a voice right in the middle of my
head say you are okay
and i said oh yeah thanks i'm okay this
is just something i do
i wasn't screaming because i was upset
it's just something i do and then all of
a sudden
uh
heaps of
scenery like forests and rivers
mountains
flick sort of flicking across my vision
so that my eyes actually weren't working
anymore like i couldn't see the room
anymore i just had all these like
visions flicking across
and um
and then
the last one in particular i remember
quite well where there was some kind of
building and a large tree
and i don't know whether that was them
just trying to calm me or whether they
were showing me images of places that
they know well and appreciate or what
and then all of a sudden
it finished
and at one point there actually i left
out there was a they did a scan as well
up and down me
um
and another thing that was happening all
over the top of that was this weird
sound that sounded to me the closest
thing was like someone scraping a
spade across the surface like a concrete
surface
over and over again
and um i have no idea what that was
the next morning out where i'd gone up
over the roof our tv antenna was all
twisted around
and i was like
far out this is this is this stuff's
that was real that was intense so that
was the first like of those sort of
major visitation encounters i've had
but i've had a lot of sins that are like
medical procedures like that
um sometimes i'm asking permission to
open me up as well or they say for this
one we need to open you up we need
permission for this
and um once i asked them
what's it for and they said nothing and
then i said okay well if if it for the
best if it's the best go for it
and they said confirmed and then i had
no memory so i don't know what they did
then
but uh so the medical procedure stuff
but also them visiting
um which usually takes place with a lot
of mesmerization and making me think
it's someone else at the time like what
was called in the old days
with the old fairy faith are glamory
maybe nowadays people might think it was
being doppelgangers where they
you're hanging out with a person and
you're talking to them and then it turns
out it wasn't that person at all because
they're somewhere else
i've had a fair few of those and then
i've also had
really intense experiences where they've
not given me much much mesmerization at
all where they're just there and i can
see them like they're real
and then they levitate me as well to
move me away and move me places and
things like that he's just sort of like
a puppet moving me around the house if
i'm in the way and stuff like that
but uh yeah anyway
wow
um
we got a question here from flying
penguins in the chat he says uh
what does he think that they are doing
to him so what do you think that they're
doing when they're doing these surgeries
the one that they did in the back of my
head i said what was that and they said
transmitter
um another time uh
they
lifted up my leg and drilled into the
bottom of my foot
and then went around and drilled into
the top of my head and then rolled me
over
and i was actually sort of like knocking
trying to knock the hand away on one of
them and they just sort of kept
consistently pushing my arm away and
started drilling with into i think a rib
and then i said
what's that for and they said
for language and running
and i was like
so
i do a fair bit of like trail running
and stuff and i'm also interested in
linguistics so i was sort of like
are they taking elements from me that
they think are desirable for themselves
or are they adding something to me
i'm not but i tried to ask that again
and and she said to me
it is a gift stop going on about it
so i don't know whether that means still
it was a gift they were giving me a gift
or they're saying that i have some kind
of gift that they're that they want yeah
so that was ambiguous again the response
but um
with the opening up one time i was
awake for when they were actually
opening me up with no pain and they were
like
really getting in here i don't know what
that's for
um
another time
had weird experience where
my they'd taken over my eyes
so that it still looked like i was lying
in bed
and seeing the ceiling
with a kind of a bit of a blue light
but i felt myself being turned over and
my whole head turning
and they and my face being pushed
into
a bed i don't even know if i still was
at home i probably wasn't at that stage
but while all this was happening the
same image was still on my eyes
and then they were doing something into
my back
but they've i think they've i've
probably got a lot of
like chips and things in me
i think i think a lot of it um also has
to do with um
their telepathic communication which
what i was gonna ask that's what i've
heard uh i
just interviewed somebody recently i
believe it was uh
uh elena denan who who talked about
having some type of implant that
she starts hearing their voices like
almost like a radio receiver not like
the impressions because there's this
this realm of like getting impressions
we call it telepathic communication but
it's like a divine knowing like it
doesn't speak in words it speaks in
pictures symbols and just that
impression on you that hey go over here
hey look here hey this you know yeah
but she talked about having a
some type of implant where
she would hear them by communicating
with the radio it's so you didn't notice
anything
uh like that it's activated or anything
after that kind of experience uh
well
um
they they wear in their helmets it's
kind of a telepath tech that they can
use on people that are in the general
vicinity
but i suspect
they've done something to me like that
where they can do that to me without
having to be very close to me as well um
and um the way
yeah so abstract kind of thoughts more
like yeah guidance and things like that
but also visual images sometimes but
yeah linguistic
but linguistic
kind of
no not hearing any uh like a silent
voice but it's like it's
three-dimensional it's like um
and sometimes it comes with a thump
and if i think that depends on how
physically close they are when they're
doing it and if they're really close
when they do it my ears even pop and so
i don't know what the physics of that is
but
but it's like
if they say it if they say like like a
sentence at random like i am in a room
talking
if they
for them to in with this technology if
they were to express that to me
it would be
almost like the sounds were
three-dimensional like an object and it
would not take anywhere near as long to
express as it would for me to utter it
like it's a packet but it's still
linguistic it's still linguistic and
it's still in english or
gaelic if sometimes they talk to me in
gaelic
um
but
yeah so
and that linguistic stuff um
that's really really difficult to
describe because it is like a voice but
it's
a silent voice but it's also obvious
sometimes if it's a female or a male
voice don't tell me how yeah or
sometimes it is neutral
but uh yeah man uh
so many more questions we're gonna keep
diving into this we gotta jump to a
quick break but on the other side gotta
ask that that second question again who
are they who are these beings that are
contacting you
and
i've skipped ahead a little bit i know
you say they're contacting and working
with others as well so we're going to
talk about that on the other side of the
break ladies and gentlemen we'll be
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elementals are different elementals are
really strange
i've seen elementals
i've had one-on-one experience with
elementals
i don't know exactly what they are
how i know what to call them
but i have
i've had incidents where i have been
in the company of elementals
they're spirit creatures like fairies
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about the
the different fairies and the different
magical little creatures leprechauns i
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and
fairies
these are what we call the elementals
they they are legitimately life forms
but they don't live in the world you do
they live in a different kind of world
an elemental world
but we call them the elementals
it's uh it's quite a subject
life outside of being a human what is
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in the spirit world and that's what
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ryan musgrave evans
ryan you talking about these
encounters and these accounts of
as far back as you can remember these
beings coming in your bedroom
uh you're seeing them in the woods
them taking you places putting implants
in your body having all of these crazy
encounters in this and having
recollection and memories of it
and uh and you wanting to know you
asking let me remember let me remember
at this point you wrote a book you put
your stories out there to the public
who are these beings that have been
contacting you and working with a lot of
other people that you found out
uh
they call themselves the majina they
said that to me a few times
um
like i said before the tall whites of
charles hall
what they really are
is
future versions of ourselves
but then it gets a little bit
complicated because
the way they describe it is they are not
from like
time travel
they're not traveling up and down their
own time stream and timeline and going
back to their past selves
they have
located
uh another timeline that for all intents
and purposes is identical to the way
theirs was
52 000 years earlier
and they've
jumped across to that or hijacked it
and they've done that because
primarily they need access to our
ancient archaic healthy dna before we
started to go downhill too much
their dna is
unraveling it's
they have issues where they can't heal
their bodies properly they can live to
advance stages of up to 700 or 800 years
but
they have to be extremely lucky to do
that because they
are susceptible to
diseases and if they break a bone they
can die
they just don't heal the same way that
we do anymore
and they've been trying to interbreed
with us and and
hybridized i suppose you could say but
i'm not quite sure whether that's an
appropriate word because
they are genetically really close to us
so hybridization might be the wrong word
but
racial interbreeding maybe you could say
um
but uh
so it depends on what you mean are they
interdimensional beings yes they are in
a sense because they're from another
timeline it's a different universe
they're not from our future and we're
not really their past
but they're here now and are here now
permanently they have been here for
thousands of years influencing us in
lots of different ways
but um
they have never
been able to
find a permanent cure to their maladies
or pathologies
they require
every generation or so of themselves
re-interaction with our genomes
so then you get cases like
the case of antonio villalas boas in
brazil in 1958
where he was working at night to
on a farm on a tractor to escape the
heat of the day
and a red light came
landed on the ground there was a vehicle
things jumped out of it in dark suits
and dragged him on board he had a sexual
encounter with a woman with fair hair
blue eyes these are quite short
individuals but this race
they take a long time to grow as well so
like his partner this this woman that he
that he copulated with was four foot six
or something like that she would still
be
about 50 years old
um or something like that
they take about a hundred years to even
get to about six foot then they grow at
intervals and keep on going going going
but um so they can interbreed with us in
the old fashioned kind of way peter
curry as well um in
sydney australia in 1992
uh had a sexual encounter with a woman
she was a much larger older tall white
um he says he's six foot tall he said
that she was at least a head higher than
him again
which means she'd be quite advanced in
age she could be as much as 500 years
old
and that's interesting as well because
that suggests that the
fertile
the the span of fertility for imagine a
woman
can be as much as four or five hundred
years
but um
basically
i'll show
you you've got video for everyone have
you man or is this going to be audio for
uh we're going to have yeah the majority
of people are going to be on the audio
app so j if you show up
you can well you can explain it or i can
try to explain it too so it's okay it's
just i've done a couple of drawings they
are very similar looking to us
much larger eyes
blue eyes
they wear black lenses over their eyes
when they're in certain situations like
the medics
they'll be wearing black they'll look
like they have black eyes with the
lenses
um
pointed chins they basically look a lot
like the pop culture idea of an elf but
without much in the way of the ears
rather than having big point it is you
know what that you know what first came
to mind the uh
hobgoblin
without the ears
okay yeah
from uh dc is it the comics like
spider-man
right right yeah yeah yeah with the
pointed
i think yeah is that the one with the
pointed chin yeah
yep yeah yeah yeah pop goblin or green
lantern one i think they're similar i
don't know but yeah it
reminded me of
so they are us basically at one stage
there when i was a kid
um
i would have been in my teens maybe
i'd said to them
um
i think i know what you are
you're maybe you're aliens from apart
like maybe you're humans from the past
that have left earth and then returned
or something like that
and they said oh it's not as simple as
that it's more complicated than that and
then at a later stage they said to me
we are you we are your future
um
so yeah that's who they are they're us
that's why that's why they're so
interested as mac tony's postulated with
his crypto terrestrial hypothesis
originally even though his idea was just
sort of like a thought experiment he
didn't necessarily believe
these beings existed he just sort of
floated
the thesis out there but he'd said that
um
if they're true into solar alien
extrasolar aliens they wouldn't really
have a genetic interest in us and so
that's why you floated that idea of them
being indigenous to the planet in some
way well they've spent a long time away
tens of thousands of years uh on an
earth-like planet orbiting
um
al-nalam or epsilon orionis the middle
star in orion's belt
which is why my book's called
children of orion finding the crypto
terrestrials
so that sort of looks like a
contradiction where i'm saying children
over orion and then saying
finding the crypto terrestrials because
people who understand mctoney's thesis
would think hold on a sec how can they
be from orion and be indigenous to the
earth
but it's because
uh they left earth and now they've
returned you know
and
so do you think that their their
technology um
the things that they can do as far as
walking through walls and and
uh levitation and things like that you
do you think that that's something that
they're doing by spiritual
means and spiritual evolution or do you
think that it's strictly technology
technology yeah although
i mean it up
maybe at extremely advanced levels of
technology these kinds of things bleed
together i'm not quite sure really but
but they
they said to me as well we are as we are
like you we are as flesh and blood as
you we are physical we are much more
physical than you might think
and i had said to them i didn't
necessarily think you weren't but
um
yeah they're tangible they've advanced
technologies
lots of tricks lots of
a large part of the way they get away
with being here is constantly mentally
manipulating us by exerting
influence that they call mesmerization
that's the word in english they've used
with me but they apologized to me for
their mesmerization and they said we
apologize for the memory alterations
but um
you know you could be going
out
putting trash out in the bin and and
have an interaction with one you'd come
inside and you wouldn't even remember it
you know or they or sometimes they'll
have a screen memory or a glamour you'll
think you were talking to an hour on the
fence or something like that but
um
they're constantly
changing the way we're seeing the world
they can
they can implant ideas in our heads that
uh really are intrusive and kind of like
false paradigms about why we are where
we are
um
false memories
to to explain so that we can explain to
ourselves
away a situation that we've just been in
that would be troubling to us otherwise
if we've had an interaction
they're masters of the mind and that's
how they've gotten away with it
they're under they're in our oceans
in our mountains
um
uh they they can be um lethal although
they there's a sort of complicated
i'm pretty sure that some of the missing
411 cases are attributable then
um
especially when it comes to hunters
they're they're vegans they don't eat
animals they don't wear animals
this this gets a little bit complicated
as well because people think this is
contradiction
because they are very prepared to kill
animals in self-defense
so they kill a lot of domesticated dogs
they care with their they wear these
prosthetic claws when they're wearing
those dark suits with glowing red eyes
or bowler suits i call them
which has given rise to the mothman myth
um and they can be aggressive to us and
they've killed a lot of us as well
especially if they feel that their
children are threatened
their military
is stratified and structured
um and a lot of the individuals that are
involved with their military aren't that
advanced spiritually at all but they
have spiritual classes of people they
have priests and priestesses
and they've talked to me as well about
their kind of spirituality which is like
a
modest
idealism like uh
like
the idea that all is mind all is one way
or all one person in one place at one
time
uh this is the kind of thing that their
priests and priestesses
hold true
but
a lot of their
numbers aren't overly spiritual people
and they can be violent and ruthless
just like any of us can really you know
some of us can but um
yeah so so sometimes there's
contradictions people say hold on a sec
they want to heal the earth's biosphere
return biodiversity
they but
and they don't eat animals and they
disapprove of animal agriculture
using cattle a lot mutilating our cattle
to uh
uh expel
people from properties um that are too
close to their underground zones and
things like that they'll kill cattle
which they consider to be
almost a mercy killing
because they'll do it in a much more
humane way than we would ourselves but
also because they have no respect for
those industries
um
uh
and
yeah and hunters as well that um no
respect for hunters especially if it's
for pleasure and not for
necessity you know not for because you
need to feed your family you got another
way doing it
as soon as people are hunting for
pleasure
this is a big
mark against that individual if they're
sort of
coming across you in the forest
and you're armed
and you have aggressive and malicious
intent because you're hunting animals
and they can be they wearing their
teleport tech they can sense all that
off you
if they feel that they're in heart in
danger in any way or you're endangering
their children they just kill you
then that's what they've done to a fair
few of people over the years
um or you go to take a shot at something
breaking through the trees and don't
realize it's one of them or one of their
kids is to the end of you
um
so they're
they're complicated in that sense but
they have
spiritual theory and advancement and
passionate understandings in some way or
some of them do
and then also
there's this broad spectrum of
they can also be malicious
aggressive lethal
and that also depends on what kind of
people we are as we're interacting with
them as how they'll react back
and uh yeah anyway
um
so you you uh you said earlier that you
think that a lot of
what people are experiencing like
whether it's in ufology or ufos and
things like that there you think that a
lot of these are the same beings and
there aren't these
many different races or factions that
are fighting you you think it's mostly
the same
beings that people are seeing when they
see a ufo unless it's back engineered
technology right
yeah that's right yeah there's two there
were four future lineage human races
extent
and now
there's only two i believe there may be
three still here but
but definitely two the tall whites or
the majin are the ones i'm talking about
or the small dark brown ones it's kind
of look like a gray but they've got
brown
skin
black claws
um sort of like bridges on their head
but the bangs from the um
vagina virginia incident from brazil
in the 90s um
eyes that can take on a red tint in the
dark but the usual in the broad daylight
they normally got black eyes they're
quite short about four foot tall the the
majina call them
and i think the tibetan they call
themselves sabichi
but i'm not quite sure about that but
the the majin are called the the little
ones sabeta now and they call them our
little brothers and their close allies
and they're two different kinds of
future humans from the same period that
have left earth at different times
one residing in
uh zeta reticuli and the other in
orion's belt
what we normally think of as grays
are an earlier version of the sabetina
from thousands of years before then
again
that have more of a grey looking skin
um
but uh yeah there's a the two those two
i'm convinced to
answer most of the questions that we
have there might be other things there
might be true aliens or other kinds of
interdimensional beings that sometimes
are being seen
of course that's a possibility but but i
i i
say that there's
most is the majina
the tall whites that can also take on
lots of different appearances they can
convince you they look like things that
they don't look like also when they're
wearing these skin-tight dark suits that
have like a circular
technology on their chest
goggles a breathing device with a big
long nose that kind of looks like a
probuscus monkey's nose
um and a helmet eyes that glow red and
they can cloak levitate
um invulnerability so they can use the
field so that they're bulletproof um
intangible they can walk through walls
um
they're super soldiers if they're
wearing these suits basically but uh
a lot of the sounds as well from their
language so so that's in that explains a
lot of things like uh
mothman and things
sometimes bigfoot as well if he's
described as having glowing red eyes and
stuff but um and their language as well
their orion language sort of sounds a
bit like japanese
but deeper but then they also have
camouflage languages
that are like chirping based languages
barking growling languages
and the sierra sounds are definitely
tall whites they're not sasquatch
i've heard them making those sounds
myself on a number of occasions
charles hall talks about tall white
language although what he was hearing
was just their camouflage languages he
was thinking it was their real language
but
um he was talking about you know barking
and brailling coyote sounds
uh chirping and whistling meadowlark
sounds sounds higher and lower than
human can hear which is like the sierra
sounds um
and uh
i i had a little bit of a yarn
through email with uh ron moorhead that
recorded the sierra sounds
just to see what he thought um
and he which he said elsewhere as well
when uh in interview
when i said to him hey
these sound like marginal to me these
sound like tall whites
um
there's even a guy like hulu fernandez a
tall white or nordic experiencer from
spain and 1978 i think it was gave a
wonderful description of the sound of
the tall whites that took him on board a
craft
um
said it sounded like um a cross between
german for its guthral sounds and
chinese for its monosyllabic nature and
later on when he was listening to
language's
samples he said oh maybe it sounds the
closest to korean
um and it does sound like that or
japanese and the sierra sounds are
sometimes called um
samurai chatter
because there's a sound that sounds like
a deep resonating like a like the
like japanese when it's being spoken in
a tough sort of masculine way like a
samurai sort of deep japanese spoken but
um
and he also uh julio fernandez also
talked about the barking sounds and
whistling and things like that as well
um
but i so i said to to some
ron moorhead um what do you reckon about
that and he said well all he knows he
doesn't know what was making the sounds
in the end he doesn't know and he's he
said that on record as well i think he's
missing four on one that hunted him
he said that where david pollatti said
to him so you don't really know what was
making it he goes no we couldn't see
them
they were making sounds but we couldn't
see them
so that's in keeping as well with the
tall whites looking cloaked
um and he also saw orbs
spacecraft
heard these hump this humming sound
that's typical of being close to imagine
a habitation you hear these humming
sounds that are sometimes sort of a tree
height but more often sound like they're
coming out of the earth
um
now
uh
so ron moyer had said yeah all he knows
is whatever was making the sounds had
big feet
imagine i have dirty big feet as well
one one guy who's about my height five
foot eight the guy who calls himself
joseph imaginer that's visited me a
couple of times
he's only five foot eight but his feet
are much
bigger than ours for a person who's five
foot eight they actually have quite
large feet even for their height so once
they're getting up to seven eight nine
ten foot tall
they've got dirty big flippers on them
yeah
um
but uh yeah anyway sorry i'm rambling a
bit dude oh you're good yeah yeah given
the facts man um
i guess my my uh
um
next question would be
um
you mentioned before we went live that
uh
you think that there was
um
musicians and artists and things like
that who have
probably been contacted by
these beings they might not know it
right but you said through
symbolism and things that they're saying
in their music and imagery
um in in the music videos and things
like that that these people are inspired
that you're you're saying that you
believe that they've been contacted or
or in in touch with these beings
in some shape or form because of what
the art that's coming out of them as
well right who who are some of the who
are some of the bands or or any of the
uh
examples you would you would say
well i mean one that might sound very
obvious to people when i say it and i'll
go oh yeah okay fair enough but david
bowie okay i mean obviously his
his
music and and and music videos were
filled with very obvious
space symbolism et symbolism and things
like that but
it really does get into details there
with bowie because
um some of his music videos and his
songs are partic very very particular
references to
the
paradigm as it stands with the four
races of beings
like for instance the song you know
ashes to ashes by david bowie and its
original music video
um
david bowie is dressed as a
tall
white clown with a pointed hat
uh
white skin
um with a sort of like a circular design
on his chest
with
what looks like
a seven
marked on his head
now the um
the
the symbols for the three stars in
orion's belt that the majina used
themselves are for the first one for
al-natak that symbol is kind of like
an arabic numeral that we
our three sort of looks like a three
for an alum the star that they were from
or epsilon orionis the middle one looks
like a seven
and um
for mintaka it's a line with a couple of
marks on it
um
now
antonio villas boas drew
what he thought were glyphs over the
door of the craft when he was abducted
um that has these symbols with three
points
that uh uh
match up the line perfectly with
o'ryan's belt with those three stars
uh
uh what's his name um julio fernandez
that i mentioned before from spain he
asked them where they were from and they
shot into his mind an image of a three
of what he thought was a three and a
seven
so they're the
what they were showing him there is the
first two stars of orion's belt to mark
and they
um
now
uh
i think antonio villas's boast when he
did the drawing of the it wasn't quite a
three i've taken the liberty of um
adding a little bit of a mark on it like
to make it more like what i've seen
but it's more like a map more like a not
like a star map it's more like a flag
it's almost like a flag
the images if people are interested they
could look up online
uh
um
and antonio villas boas
writing or antonio villas bow as
hieroglyphs and you'll see this the
symbols that i mean
but um so with david bowie has the mark
of al-nalam or the tall whites for their
own system yeah on his forehead with a
star drawn as well a little silver star
offside
he's got a lot of he's got a lot of uh
lyrics about
space people and ufos and
space women and things like that too
like in his life yeah he does yeah
but for sure yeah yeah his stuff is just
rife with it but the
ripe with it um the but the um
with that particular ashes to ashes i
recommend people look up ashes to ashes
the original
and and watch it with the original music
video and you'll see the story of
nasa being played out
leaving the earth coming across these
beans realizing that they're there with
us constantly reminding us that they're
there and the four actors betray the
four races leaning in reminding
nasa of their existence anyway
another another band and so there's lots
of david bowie songs that are really
good as well that are like that but um
smashing pumpkins is another band
um
uh
some of the ones in particular like um
ava adore
um
in my opinion especially taken in
context in tandem with the music video
is about
the two the two remaining races
and how they need us to survive
and
here's another one oh the cure the cure
has
bobby smith and the cure
he
more than any
of the bands and singers i've looked at
i think i think he was
really haunted by them they were really
having
a lot of interaction with that dude
because he
reproduces images with things with red
eyes and claws and things like that um
he deliberately made himself kind of
look like them a bit by painting
themselves up and all that kind of stuff
but a lot of his music
is referencing back to
to them and their relationship with us
and
do you uh i really really love to talk
to that dude because i don't know how
conscious he is of this
weird man
like some people that you think are deep
i don't know how deep they are
they just like channel stuff
they get like you know and i don't know
what it is they're just like uh
they're conduits for the information you
know but but they don't know you would
think that hey you know something and
you talk to them and they're like yeah i
don't they don't even
they don't know anything at least they
won't tell you now there's oh there's
that too which could have been
something uh if you heard in in that the
last um
commercial we just played or whatever
would have had uh busy bone from bone
thugs in harmony he uh
man he there's videos of him
in drunken
drunken
drunken like probably drug induced
uh
states
where he's just
rambling he's rambling and he's drunk
and his eyes are rolled back and he's
looking at the he's just out of it but
this when he but if you listen to him
talk he's talking about these beings
that
how tall they are and they can they
travel around the
planet seven times in a second
they don't like metal he's giving you
all of this weird esoteric knowledge
about these beings
and i seen this interview which was like
backstage at a club somebody was filming
him talking so it really wasn't an
interview
and uh but then he says oh i'm sorry my
bad and he kind of gains his composure
and he quits talking i'm watching that
and i'm doing my research on angels and
the occult and all this and i love his
music
and i get the chance to interview him
and that that
talk
has like kind of plagued me because i'm
dissecting it like okay he said this i'm
googling these terms and like trying to
figure out what he was talking about
about these beings other friends of mine
too have messaged me and said hey uh
have you seen this interview that what
do you think he's talking about i don't
know but i'm going to try to get him on
my podcast and he's a pretty big name
and so he's kind of hard to get in touch
with some small podcaster at the time
and uh finally got him on and i had my
notebook i had all my notes i was like
hey so in this interview you said some
things you know
you mentioned this and mentioned that
he didn't remember any of it
and he didn't bite on anything that i
asked him either we had like almost a
two-hour talk and
i'm picking his brain so i'm like hold
on
this was you and then you said all of
this stuff
you know and it's like uh but then part
of me was almost thinking that like
people look at him like a crazy person
because of those videos and because of
other antics and stuff and i've almost
felt like he was trying to clean up his
his image with me as well on my podcast
and being more of a i'm a family man i
don't know
and he didn't really go down that path
with me which really
yeah that's what you want me to ask you
because nobody else cares about those
questions i do you know i want to hear
about it and he wouldn't talk about it
and he played dumb he didn't know
anything so what he what what are the
possibilities like does he know
something that he maybe has took an oath
not to talk about and he did on accident
um does he not know and he was just you
know with these different chemicals and
you know pharmaceuticals and pharmacy
and pharmacia like spirits kind of speak
through you at times what do you think
that somebody like
him obviously we can't say for sure but
what what does it sound like to you
yeah well
i don't know but maybe
you know if if you're too conscious of
it yourself maybe you'll take their
message with your own interpretations so
if someone like him really is unaware of
what he's doing at the time
that he's under the influence of
different chemicals and all this kind of
stuff
that might be perfect for them because
then they can really
present their own message rather than
yes but who knows yeah that's really
interesting yeah there's a lot of
psychics and stuff that i know
personally that when before they do a
reading
they get pretty lathered up um because
it lets them bypass and and throw off
their inhibition so that they can really
tap in and and step aside even and so
they use alcohol or or drugs and things
like that not necessarily in a in a in a
bad way i think you know there's
medicines and things like that that
exists for us to work with but
um you know when you're thinking of like
um
the oracle of delphi you know and they
talk about these gasses that would come
up in the cave and she would get in you
know in these trances from the gases she
was getting high and started telling
people fortunes and
and predicting the future and being
accurate with stuff that it wasn't until
she was able to bypass
that rational mind that says hey this is
weird what are you doing stop it you
know you can't make this stuff up and
something that just allows them to get
in this stage
and with that being said
many artists
whether they're getting really messed up
or they're getting smoking a lot of weed
a lot of drugs heroin whatever
they're getting into a weird state
other people naturally through the flow
state they just begin to write we call
it automatic writing
they're just in this state and something
speaking through them like i kind of
have those experiences with my music and
these lyrics and stuff that come to me
and i don't think i'm that good to write
the stuff that comes out of me and and
it it's like a gift like you said we're
giving you a gift or something in these
downloads and stuff which is
very interesting you know of chat yeah
yeah and being a mouthpiece for
you know daryl inca you look at bashar
and those kind of things you know
yeah yeah yeah i was wondering about
what you're talking about right now just
a few days ago um in a bit of detail
actually just sort of thinking about
these artists and
um how much
you know
how much
they can claim
from it
for skill or ability or you know
genius
if their particular skill is being a
good conduit you know that's maybe
that's a skill in itself yeah
uh i've i'm not of not i'm sort of
losing yourself to it and that that is
actually something that's a phrase
that's a phrase that the media have used
with me
sometimes
um when they're communicating with me
and i'm sort of trying to interpret what
they're saying they say
uh relax
don't don't think in language as well
like i was saying they don't want me
sometimes i'm sort of like trying to
think in english or gaelic they're like
no no
that creates like an echo for them they
don't need me to be doing that
and they say
lose yourself
and i'm and then when i'm sort of like
not being so
self-conscious or self-critical or or
too metacognitive like thinking about
the process as i'm trying to do it all
of a sudden
their equipment is much more effective
and the communications are
stronger and clearer you know
but uh yeah losing yourself yeah well
you know i'm talking about automatic
writing and talking about downloads and
information and those kind of things
like
did you experience any of that while uh
when you know when you're writing your
book does any of that kind of come just
stuff that hey put this in there hey
don't leave this out and it's like stuff
that you
you don't really know but they're like
reminding you in a sense did you ever
get that
yeah i did
with um
um a particular
uh example comes to mind where
um
i'd
been thinking about the antonio villa
space
antonio villas boas case from
uh brazil
and all of a sudden i had this feeling
that antonio villas boas had seen
o'ryan's belt so this was at a stage
where
even though i
presumed that
the beings interacting with boas have
been
orion's because of them barking and
growling and and by the and their fair
appearance and all that kind of stuff
actually connecting them to orion's belt
in a more concrete way i hadn't been
able to but what happened was i was
thinking to myself one day hold on a sec
i'm fairly sure
phyllis bower saw orion's belt he saw it
right so i
and i and i typed in and googled
uh like phyllis boa's star map
and and the betty and barney hill star
map stuff kept coming up that's all i
could find where they'd seen uh star
maps on the craft
uh in their case
and i was like oh no that's not right
well why did why do i think he's seen it
and then i was looking around looking
around and then i was like oh some of
the sketches he'd done
there was
the symbols of glyphs and it said villas
bowers writing
and there's the three dots so ryan's
belt matching lining up with orion's
belt with the glyphs over them like
right okay so this is it this is a
rhinestone so there's the concrete
connection and then a voice set into my
head in that sort of way
said
um
uh this is
um oh what did she say again this is
compelling evidence that's how she
phrased it
i i was like this is cool this is good
and then i was like i don't know if i
want to put it online though
because people just say it's paradolia
or something i'm seeing three dots
because i'm all looking for a ryan's
belt everywhere and she said to me
she said to me no
talk about it this is compelling
evidence
so that
then i was like okay so you've given me
this because i was thinking
i was just having like a fairly natural
but but something that was a bit weird
about it though was that
i felt like i was gonna find it
the name they they're feeding me stuff
there was another an example for ex
where i knew something was going to
happen it was similar to this
i was walking around
melbourne
and there was
like an old bookstore
and all of a sudden i had a flash in my
mind of a copy of the prince by
machiavelli
nicolo machiavelli
and i was like
oh i think my dad's got a copy of that
book but i don't actually own a copy
i've never read that and all of a sudden
i got a hankering to read the book and i
was like
it's there in that book shop
and i could see inside the bookshop even
though i've never been there before and
knew exactly where it was walked into
the bookshop wandered down put my hand
on the spine of this old book that was
missing its cover and pulled it out
and it was the prince machiavelli
straight to it
so then i read it and familiarized
myself with it and then since then i've
bought other copies of it
machiavelli's complete works and all
this kind of stuff
but i just thought that that was me
having some kind of weird
moment where the matrix is sort of like
breaking down where
where i've i've
merged with in some kind of metaphysical
kind of way merged with you know in a
mystical kind of way
the entire program and gaining access to
information
but no now i think
sometimes they were just leading me to
things
so i don't know why they would have
wanted me to read machiavelli but anyway
uh
when you were speaking about the uh
you know the bands and and the lyrics
and things like that and people privy to
information
um
and
one that that really uh comes to mind
for me a specific song when i had a lot
of
encounters and experiences and
particularly with
orion as well and so okay wow dude yeah
it really means a lot to me orion does
but there's a
a song
are you familiar with uh the the band
nine inch nails
yeah trent resner so they got a song
called came back haunted are you
familiar with that song
no no not if i heard it maybe i'd go i
know that but not not from the title you
need to check it out it's one of the
it's one of their
it's one of their newer songs but i'm
going to read you something i'm going to
read you some of these lyrics
uh the lyrics say
the throat is deep and the mouth is wide
saw some things on the other side
made me promise to never tell but you
know me i can't help myself
now i've got something you have to see
and it sounds like you he says
now i've got something you have to see
they put something inside of me
the smile is red and its eyes are black
i don't think i'll be coming back
i don't believe it i had to see it i
came back haunted
and it's a lot it goes it goes deeper
and deeper but you're like
the red yeah yeah the red and the black
eyes and putting something inside of you
and he just goes into more detail but i
remember when i was having my awakening
and having these crazy encounters and
remembering like i heard that song and
it's like oh my goodness it just it
meant
so much more you know so one of those
things like you said like that it gave
someone uh you know they made me promise
to never tell but you know me i can't
help myself like it's one and i know you
know what i'm talking about in this fact
of like
should i tell anybody do i keep am i
just
should i
brag do i tell the world their their
story do i other people are going
through this as well or do i just hold
it and keep it to myself was i ever
supposed to write a book and tell we we
rationalize all of this stuff but
you know with these encounters you know
which is uh again you came back haunted
after this
experience
yeah that's right change something came
back with you
kind of thing you know
yeah for sure yeah that's an interesting
one i'm gonna have to look up
listen to the song later on yeah it's a
good one yeah cool man but that that and
that element as well of being haunted
um
you know like i think
a lot of people that are having like
crypto terrestrial or extraterrestrial
experiences
um just think their houses are haunted
as well you know like they think they're
seeing shadow people
um
they're they're hearing
stuff breaking in their kitchen or their
or stuff is being moved around they're
having disembodied voices laughter music
people walking around
um
experiencing a bit of sleep paralysis
here and there yeah people standing over
them in the middle of the night and
they're gone all this kind of stuff
these are typical crypto terrestrial
profile points not that it necessary it
definitely means that that's what's
happening to your course but
but it's quite likely you know like
so sometimes as well you know like if
you've got like a really real cliche
kind of
um
et ufo interaction where someone says
um you know that a little being came out
of a craft and talked to me and all this
kind of stuff i'm like oh yeah okay that
might have happened you know
fair enough you know depending on how
they present themselves i might think i
you know you might be full of it or you
might be delusional or it might have
really happened
but when someone says to me something
like my house is haunted dude i'm
hearing these noises i've been hearing
growling as well which is typical of the
majina
um
some people are brushing across me i'm
feeling cold
going through me
um
i go hold on a sec
that's a real et experiencer
but that but it's not normally
classified as that kind of thing you
know
there's all of this
um
like uh what would you call it like um
fragmentation in the world of paranormal
research
factionalism and yeah and uh
any kind of
yeah and they and then people put them
in boxes they go oh
hold on a sec you're in
you were standing
oh you were lying in bed and there was a
being with huge eyes and you saw a light
outside the window and they go that goes
in the et box
and then they'll go there was a
i heard a woman's voice and she was
laughing
in the night and when i went in the next
room there was this levitating glowing
woman passed through the wall like oh
that's the ghost basket blink
but
they're the same basket anyway or they
can be anyway i think so too i mean
that's one of the biggest things that i
do with my work is i deal with a lot of
religious people and christians and
stuff and and and i kind of bridge that
gap of like
good aliens or good et's benevolent
beings that come here from orion you
know and um they're like nope
aliens are demons
demons are demons
aliens are violence you know so like
they just want to throw everything in
one basket or something okay i woke up
in the middle of the night and i seen
this being or whatever so it was that
that could have been any it could have
been your ancestor
like
just because you were scared you're
gonna label it a demon so everything
goes in the demon basket and so
again with the ets they say et's are
fallen angels and they're demons that
are flying around in spaceships like no
demons are here
sucking off of
lower
natured people's energy and those kind
of things they're not flying spaceships
through time uh as demons what you would
call
from a religious idea so
separating the two and letting people
know that there's a lot more going on
than than
what you've been told you know and you
have to be open to right right right and
ask questions
we got a couple questions here for you
got a little bit more time
oh yeah yeah okay
we'll go to a quick break and we got a
couple questions here in the chat uh
we're gonna do another break and post
your questions here guys and i'll ask
the guest uh whatever you want me to ask
them no holds bars post them we'll be
back right after this see you guys in a
minute
wow so the throne room meditation man
this was just like a new level for me of
creating encounter
really the process behind it is going in
for myself having an encounter with the
lord tapping into the spirit and getting
in his presence and really just
petitioning the father's heart and
saying god
what would you say to them if i'm
bringing these people with me here if
they're doing this guided meditation and
we're going through this journey we're
having fun we're seeing things we're
experiencing new feelings and emotions
and sensations
what would you say to them
so it's channeling the father's heart
and relating it back to the people so
man it's just a beautiful encounter and
i remember when i wrote the first one
i was so excited about it and it was
just
god speaking to my heart i was able to
channel the father's heart
and i would read the script to people
because i was just so excited while i
was working on it and every time that i
would just read the script the presence
of god would just invade me and i just
burst into tears and i couldn't even
read it i'm just like let me copy and
paste it and send it to you but every
time i listen to it i'm immediately
translated
back into the throne room of god and uh
everything's good there
that's the place where everything is
okay where in the scriptures it says
that we are to hide under the shadow of
the almighty this is the throne room of
god this is the place that we can
encounter for ourselves but this is also
a place in which we dwell so a part of
us is always there and we have access to
that now there's people who have never
encountered this before in their life
and it's a totally new experience for
them and almost every time i get a
testimony back from someone they just
say how god wrecked their lives that
they didn't know what they were getting
into next thing they know they're in the
presence of god
wrapped up in his glory he's
communicating his love to them and it
just totally wrecks their lives so make
sure you check out the throne room
guided meditation visualization that i
brought to the table
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night
pull up a chair
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questions here they're coming in
um
question from creator maker on youtube
wants to know
uh did they ever talk about a creator
did he ever talk about god did he talk
about
um
where they came from
as far as
origin stories or or anything of a
higher power or something like that
uh they
i think they believe
um
in a kind of like uh like i was saying
before like a it's a mystical viewpoint
where it's like a divine
the perceiver of
the world
is
in everyone is the same thing the same
great being the universe is like the one
great being
um
at one stage i was um
so i suppose you could say that's a god
with capital g if that's what you mean
by god but not everyone defines god like
that of course but um
at one stage there i was reading about
kashmir shaivism which is a kind of
hinduism but it's um
it's a mystical
kind of viewpoint and there's been forms
of christianity and judaism and islam
um and buddhism as well as hinduism that
have had these similar kinds of views
over time
of this idea of like um
all basically
god being the great perceiver basically
the creator of all
and it's an ongoing creation
but um when i talked to them about
this and i said i'm reading this book
about kashmir shaivism it's similar to
what you've been telling about your own
worldview they said yes it's very
similar now live your life by it
and um
yeah
a creation myth or a creation story of
of what has god has done to
engineer the world or um and what came
before and what came after and all that
kind of stuff i don't they don't they've
never talked to me anything about that
but if your idea of god
is
the the perceiver
in everyone the same eye
the consciousness that
manifests and permeates all reality as
one divine
being they do have a concept like that
um
have they ever mentioned
jesus christ per se
um
they have mentioned
to me before um talking about jesus
christ they're also talking about buddha
um
not not in any detail no not just in
passing talking about different kinds of
religions and spiritualities
never dwelling really
on any of our major earth religions or
anything like that
um
basically i think they see themselves as
being one with the earth particularly
the whole universe but particularly the
earth and the the sacred term the earth
is sacred
as a mother
um
so they have a concept of a great mother
as well uh
but um yeah
all right uh another question here
is
do they believe
in hierarchy or
do they interact with
other beings if there's been any mention
of that i know we you know we're
mentioning fairies we're mentioning
ghosts and those things
like we clash with them it changes our
life
do you is it something that they do that
could
i've never heard i've never asked that
question never thought about it can can
a ghost see you know can an alien see a
ghost can a can a fairy
you know see a an angel you know these
kind of things
uh
yeah they don't
they've never talked about that they've
never talked about other races other
than the the small brown ones that they
know well
um
yeah no they don't
um
other than um the idea that
a lot a lot of um
mythological
uh
groups
in in world mythologies and religious
systems and things like that other than
that they sometimes
have been based on them but some
understandings
uh like for instance in the middle east
the idea of the gin and things like that
is is related to these beings as well
fairies and elves have been thought
they've been interpreted as being
fairies and elves yeah um before us
especially in the celtic fairy faith
um and that i i presume that nature had
done the old
irish gods
pre-christian gods were probably them
as well that later came to be understood
as their elves and sort of um
rendered
diminutive um
but yeah no they don't they don't really
talk about
that kind of thing i think that the idea
that lots of
they
when they're wearing their boa suits i
think sometimes now i don't know about
demons and angels and beings that are
actual demons and angels and things like
that but
but when they're wearing their boa suits
the dark-skinned
tight suits with long claws and glowing
red eyes and they have a growling and
barking language
sometimes when people see them they call
it would call that a demon but if it's
them
you know um
likewise
they wear luminous outfits with long
white hair and they levitate and
sometimes people when they've seen them
and said they look like angels
but as for real demons and angels i
don't know anything about that and they
don't talk about that
they've never
referenced others
all right we got a
bunch of
um comments coming in really fast so
let's do like a uh
do like a speed round let's answer it
let's let me ask you any questions
and answer them as fast as you can and i
think that's even like intuitive as well
right let me see what are these
questions start
and guys go ahead and keep the questions
coming if you're you're putting them out
there i'm gonna read them here
um
let me see where they start okay do they
think negative thoughts and go
uh yeah they do they think
they're very much like us and that they
just they have negative thoughts
positive thoughts
um
yeah
pretty much the same as us but maybe
just a little bit more enlightened than
most of us but
there's still a whole gamut of different
kinds of personalities what are your
thoughts on the blue avians
i don't believe that
i
okay
uh somebody wants to know see truth says
how do we make
contact constantly i understand not
being attached but i've only made
contact once
is that something we should try to do or
is it too scary how do you make contact
uh
yeah well send especially going to an
area or a place that is known for being
haunted
um and even if it's known for being
haunted and people think that there's
ghosts there or or
other kinds of entities there's a good
possibility it's them it's these orions
and if you send out messages to them
that you're there
um and you're a no threat and you'd like
to interact with them and things like
that then sometimes they do respond to
that kind of thing but they try to work
out what what kind of influence that
would have on your life whether it's
positive or negative and whether it's
worth
doing that when they're looking further
down to see whether that
what effect that'll have on you later it
might not be beneficial to you so they
wouldn't do it or
yeah what about
atlantis
and a lot of people are being on that
any mention of it
no none
no they don't really talk about ancient
times that much
um
do you think these entities will show up
in the next two years
sorry
do you think these entities will show up
in the next two years
uh i don't know
i think they're planning on slowly
manifesting and making themselves more
known and having contact with more and
more
um
paranormal paranormal investigators and
things but um
um
i have no idea if it's going to be that
short term
uh what's the reason behind the
abduction experience
is it
experimentation abductions
the main reason behind abduction is to
take genetic samples from us
yeah
the two to assist their own genomic
structures because we're more healthy
than them in some ways
okay and i guess you kind of answered
the next question that came up a little
earlier which was from flying penguins
who wanted to know why are they
um
implanting or doing surgery on you again
you said it could be to give you
something and
take something forward
yeah i'm not i'm not really sure as well
what some of the things that they're
doing
um
but the one what one they said was a
transmitter and then another time i just
said like i said that for language and
running but then again it's ambiguous i
don't know that's adding something to me
or taking something for their benefit
all right let's see here
uh any more questions
kyle what's up kyle mecca as i see you
there thor what's up uh
what are your thoughts on 33 hertz
frequency
um i don't know what about that what's
what's that
um
let me
frequency maybe 432 what about
the healing
references healing tones okay i don't
know i don't know anything about that
sorry great good answer good answer
completely ignorant about that
good answer um
okay i think that's about it i think
that's about it for all the the speed
round questions we got through a whole
bunch of them they all came uh last one
here john santiago ross says have you
ever seen them playing within the clouds
uh i'm assuming during the day kind of
ships if you will oh okay yeah well i
have seen ships during the day
a triangle once and then a white cigar
shaped thing another time
i had a really weird experience once
talking about the cloud though where i
was reading a book about uh crop circles
and it's a lucy pringle book an old book
from the 90s about crop circles and they
made reference to um
a giant floating horse
and a luminous floating horse that was
chasing a police car at one stage and
they freaked out and it and it sped off
over the fields
well
that uh charles hall in millennial
hospitality books talks about how the
tall whites
float around with their families as two
two adults with a string of kids and
they can levitate and float around it
kind of looks like a horse
but what after i'd had that thought now
that was supposed to be in england and
there's some with the weirdest thing
happened to me and may have been
paradoli i mean just seeing stuff in the
clouds that i wanted to see because
that's something as well that's easy to
do when i was hanging the laundry out on
the line
the cloud that passed my head
looked exactly like britain it even had
like the mountain ranges on wales and
all this kind of stuff that cruised over
the top just as i'd read from the book
about
uh
british crop circles and then had that
thought that the tall whites were in or
in britain
i went out and was hanging washing
online i'm like
whoa and i and there were no substances
involved
but that
that's them playing with clouds maybe or
maybe it was just me saying things
um
well i guess one of the last questions
or so
here we go uh cal melcas wants to know
says have you uh have you asked him
about communications with et's in the
dreams and you and i know that's in the
synopsis of your book you talk about
that they communicate and even
uh craft our dreams and things like that
there's something that happens when we
go to sleep that they
approach us
i think so yeah i think they do that if
they want to
communicate something that maybe they
think we wouldn't be able to cope with
in our waking lives they can and they
want people to
you know because they're always looking
ahead as well because they have
prophetic technologies where they can
look at potential realities
and see by doing something now what
effect we'll have in 10 20 100
000 years
and if they decide that certain
individuals should have certain ideas
and
make the world progress in certain ways
then
that's a very
sort of clandestine subtle way of
influencing people and giving them
ideas by influencing their dreams i
think they do do that yeah
and you might not even know it was them
you know yeah right
an inspiration a life's purpose a life's
past that was
wasn't it wasn't something you thought
of it was something that was given to
you for a purpose and uh
to see how like a burning passion to get
it out an idea
you know
yeah i think that does happen
through that medium as well one one last
question here uh peter smart wants to
know are these beings in contact with
our governments
and is this slow revealing to us benefit
us or them
uh yeah they are
known about by our governments and
um
and
the slow revelation i think is
probably
well for but for all of us for the
benefit of because um
with a slow drip fed kind of disclosure
that's not gonna people are slowly
getting
used to the idea you know that um
they're slowly being able to grapple
with
to handle the ideas but if it was all
dumped on one go maybe
maybe there'd be issues but all of this
as well
slow disclosure i think is happening you
know not just as well with the music
industry and what we're talking about
and particular musicians
in particular but also um
you know television and movies and
like you can't you can't watch a
children's television show anymore
without
there being some premise about
parallel realities and diverging
timelines and all of this like all of
the um superhero shows and the kids
cartoons you know kids turn it on it's
like oh there's another cartoon that's
predicated on the idea of
shifting timelines and
and multiple dimensions and that kind of
stuff and i think more than any other
time in our history
the the new generations are becoming
fluent in that
concept
which is the explanation for the reality
of the banks so that means these new
generations once it's revealed in total
to them they'll be like oh yeah we can
deal with all that we already have all
these preconceived ideas
we've already been programmed really
through television and stuff like that
so it's not as dramatic
so that they can deal with it you know
yeah awesome oh ryan uh
enjoyed this conversation brother
yeah ladies and gentlemen his book is
children of orion finding the crypto uh
fine finding the crypto terrestrials
and um and it is available on amazon let
other people uh know where to to
interact with your work your books
available there but your website and
your youtube channel and all that all
those good places where uh you're you're
active at on social media
uh yeah well i've got i'm on facebook
just under my real name i'm easy to find
there people want to send send me a dm
or friend request me or whatever and
have a chat and also yeah my youtube
channel um which is my name as well ryan
musgrave evans
um where i post like
vlogs and sometimes post old
documentaries and things that are
relevant
um and yeah other than that
i don't have a presence
uh online so they're the two things
facebook and youtube
and and the books on amazon yeah and
paperback hardback
can uh ebook and also there's a there's
an audio book in the works uh not sure
when that will come out but hopefully in
the next few months or something yeah
make cool yeah make it a priority
it's definitely worth it it's worth the
strenuous time of doing which it's not
fun but once you get done it's
definitely something amazing to have
that a lot of people listen to these
days
audiobooks yeah for sure yeah for sure
for sure but uh yeah thanks man thanks
for
having me on giving me for sure
enjoyed it enjoyed picking your brain
and uh
and uh asking you these questions and
and getting to know about your
experience and i think that um
it helps me get a little bit clearer on
my experiences too especially when
you know there's there's those those uh
similarities there you know we're all
trying to make sense of what's going on
and so everybody has the piece of the
puzzle bring it to the table and
you know ask questions and that's how we
get that's how you get the answers you
got to ask a question right
yeah for sure yeah well i've just
discovered you by this now as well so
i've subscribed to your channel now i'm
going to check out more of your stuff
for sure check out your music too man
that sounds cool yes sir yes sir new
album uh
about to drop called white magic and uh
it's uh there's some good stuff in there
about all this stuff we're talking about
tonight but um
appreciate it brother we'll connect soon
thank you so much for coming on we'll do
it again bro
cheers man okay stay in touch thanks see
you guys any blessings
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check them out on youtube facebook and
uh all those cool places man
um
hope you guys enjoyed this episode i
sure did um
man so many different
parallels you know where where people
are coming from when it comes to
uh ufology and uh and and beings and
spirituality in the in the paranormal
and uh leave no stone unturned you
forgot to check the one place where you
can get some more information so we we
you know you question everything you
gotta and it's a good thing you're
asking questions people get offended
when you ask questions like why would
you truth truth doesn't care if you
scrutinize it truth doesn't care if you
are skeptical because truth is truth at
the end of the day and so it stands for
itself so you know we're trying to get
to the bottom and ask questions that
should be something that is celebrated
and if you're in a community if you're
in a group of people that doesn't
celebrate you asking weird questions or
off the wall questions uh then you
probably should get in a new community a
new group of people but uh yeah if
you're trying to learn the truth man
we're truth seekers right sikas
i am true seeker we're all seekers this
i am you you and me and uh
you gotta ask questions to get clear on
your own story
and um the story of
whatever other people are going through
see truth here says truth doesn't need
to be defended nope doesn't need you to
come to the rescue and take up for it
yeah
that's relative though exactly
um
there was a couple super chats
those of you who are hearing the little
dinghies or whatever the uh the little
noise that was going on while we were
talking those were
super chats those were little
reminders that hey man keep up the good
work so thank you see truth for the
super chat my friend thank you
um for that and then scrolling up give
us some other shout outs for the super
chats earlier uh lisa thompson also gave
us super chat thank you lisa uh n in dmt
gave a super chat as well thank you for
that just want to make sure let you know
i seen it i synced it
i synced it i really did thank you all
for that
means the world
um yeah i see you see truth no need to
repeat mine he answered it for sure
yeah um
the interesting thing as well you know i
was speaking about
people
saying it's all the same things man
you know
everything is the same thing like
no that wasn't a demon bro
that was a it was your ancestor
who's mad at you
for leaving the
whatever you did i don't know
you know
you see you an experience you have an
encounter
people say it's the same thing
peter smart says jesus christ is the way
uh that's one of the things too like
even that like
people
have near-death experiences and they see
a light one of my friends adam starseed
bay he always talks about
how everybody just automatically assumes
that it was jesus even though the being
never said that it was jesus
that they seen during their near-death
experience and so
um
you know just lumping everything in
lumping everything in as the same thing
um
i don't think that any of these beings
might even have names right that they
have boxes or we are the so and so from
planet you know they might not even do
any of that stuff like a ghost is not
going to come yeah
like introduce yourself as a ghost or
demon's not going to tell you i'm a
demon
i guess an angel might though there's
you know well if you make a demon tell
you they're a demon they'll tell you you
got to make them you take authority over
them who sent you
you know
uh see true says yo adam starseed is
always in killapoc priest podcast too oh
yeah
yep yep
man i'd love to see you on kilip
pre-show or him on yours bro i don't i
was on i would have been on there twice
and he's been on mine twice i think
i did it i did two shows with the killer
priest i need to go back on there
to talk about this new album
that's for sure well kyle melka says uh
dude we gotta chat again yeah yeah we do
need to collab man for sure
uh saturn 555 says i'm not christian but
even christianity is true and can be
powerful
only if
you fully believe it and know it
yeah it works if you work it
the system works if you work it you know
christianity is a of the christianity
that we have today
probably different in everybody else's
head
of what you think christianity is or
what you think jesus is like
anything i've been big on this lately
like
everybody's narrative everybody's
preconceived notion everybody's you
haven't read these couple books i read
and um
so you don't have some kind of
background information or you haven't
had the experiences that i've had with
these beings or with these angels or
with these types of christians and so
you know you you throw any term out
there
it everybody takes it um
it means something different to
each person
you know a lot of people are repulsed
when you use the term christian a lot of
christians these days that have been
there they don't even like calling
themselves christians not because
they're ashamed of jesus or ashamed of
the gospel but they're ashamed of
westernized christianity and how
judgmental and how dogmatic and how mean
and and uh
short tempered people are so just like
no i don't want to
be identified with that
not the
um essence of what christianity
really is or what it started out to be
but what it has become
and so
beauty is in the eye of the beholder
so you can throw
any
anything out there
um
i talk about all the time just go to go
to youtube and type in why i i left
um
christianity and became a muslim
i'm sure there's hundreds if not
thousands of those videos out there why
i left christianity and became a muslim
and they're in each one of those videos
are going to give you
good reason
and then type in why i left islam and
became a christian
i learned the truth i was running from
jesus my whole life even in islam i was
running from the religion of my parents
and whatever and you got all these
people give you good reason
which one's right
their experience is right is right with
them
so to say
maybe it was the it most likely was the
branch that you were involved with it
most likely was the person
that you were involved with the people
um
you know what you what kind of
teacher you had
all of that comes into play
of what kind of experience that you've
had with with a person
you know somebody that a lot of people
you know we got people in our lives that
everybody loves but you know things
about them that you like nah stay away
from that joker man
stay away from them what is it what is
it i ain't gonna tell you
just
ain't what they claim to be
leave it at that you know but for
somebody else there's their favorite
pastor
their dad
now your dad's a
cruel dude i know things about your dad
that
he'll be in prison right now if people
find out you know and that's that guy
person's narrative that's their story
you don't know it he's always been dad
he never been to pimp
you know he never been the you know
the drug lord you don't know him as that
you know him as dad
and you know him as this
you don't know him
by these other things just like
christianity jesus angels demons aliens
everything's polarizing everybody has a
different narrative
when you mention any of these things
uh peter smart i don't want to get too
deep on this one i actually i'll tell
you peter i actually we we did a um
episode recently on reincarnation
and uh go back and listen to that one if
you haven't yet but the reincarnation
episode where i just kind of
put everything on the line about death
and the fear and we need to pick a
narrative you need to pick something
that gets you over your fear of dying
and i open up when i talk about death
because i feel that same way
at times peter
peter says how do we get into heaven
guaranteed i have a fear of death that
won't go away uh go back and listen to
the reincarnation episode that we just
did uh it's literally uh maybe two
episodes ago maybe the last episode that
that's been uploaded but check that out
and uh if you don't want to listen to
that subject just go to the end where i
talk about um
death and
and uh reincarnation and you got to find
something you know everybody has to find
something that that brings them peace
you know and it's a lot of different
things out there for you to pick and
choose from
everything's not for everyone most
things you're like nah
and
it's so weird like with this podcast and
picking people's brains and going deeper
and deeper into truth and theories and
stuff like it makes me more of a skeptic
than anything you know then uh
because i'm learning the mind i'm
learning how people operate i'm learning
traumas
even on this episode tonight like i had
a good talk with him but my mind goes to
trauma
you know the the
you know i don't
you we don't know i'm just throwing this
stuff out there like
you never know the beings that
i say trauma so one of the theories of
of of alien greys and alien abductions
is literally trauma it's literally birth
trauma when you came
out of your mother's womb and there was
four doctors there with big goggles on
and face mask and gloves and they had
these devices that they were pronging
you with and they gave you a shot and
it's like you're being snatched out of
your
your mother's womb and they're cutting
the
umbilical cord
i don't know but i i kind of feel like
maybe in some places they're supposed to
leave that connected for a while i'm not
i'm no expert don't try this at home but
it's a very
traumatic experience the birth
the birth uh
process
versus ha doing like an in-home birth
and having um
you know uh um
some somebody with you and assisting you
through that process that's very
loving and yeah it's painful but it's
part of it but more loving and more
nurturing and it's not as scary and they
say it like
you know that stuff sticks with you and
you have nightmares and and trauma and
memories that come back to visit you
when you're sleeping
and you have a dream that these
people are poking you and
these lights are in your face and these
men are looking at you with big eyes
it's like hold on was that aliens or was
that the doctors again we're calling
different things
you just called the doctor an alien
because you remembered it but you didn't
you didn't know when you were
three minutes old that
what these guys were you didn't know you
didn't have no but you have visions of
it
you know and so you go to the
to the movies or you read a book or you
see something that
resembled it and so therefore you give
it a name and then therefore that plays
into your
um narrative
um
i will tell you cool things about
death that is that if you live in the
now moment you'll never die
because there's always the now moment
whatever is happening whatever you if
you when you do die what you become
you're still in the now there is no
future one thing about
you know um
not fearing death is to be present you
know it's not to to not talk about it or
to act like it's not going to happen
because we got those people too
but then you get people like me who
think about it all the time because it's
my job
and uh
and we deal with it all down death is
just as much a part of life and nobody
gets out of this alive
you know and i don't want to end this
episode on death and keep talking about
it but we've been dealing with death and
um
you know we we dealt with it um
you know on the on that episode so make
sure you go back and listen uh see truth
says prayer helps a lot too
keeping good words in your mouth breeds
good thoughts
and more good words all goodness
yeah that helps me too just to be honest
with you uh i think my biggest thing is
because i am a christian but uh reading
the scriptures and um you know reading
about how christ defeated death and and
how we've been given eternal life for
everlasting life and and you will not
taste death and and uh you will be with
me forever and those scriptures really
um help me to psych myself up and to
believe that these scriptures are true
because they are magical they are alive
and and to trust it and believe it by
faith because i've never died before
right that's still true seeker in me
it's hard to like say that that's a fact
when i've never
experienced it i've never died
so
um it's hard to to say things for a fact
but i do believe that god's word is
truth i do believe the bible to be truth
and so it resonates really deep to my in
my core and it brings me comfort and
brings me peace and that's what it's
supposed to do
the word does not return void
it goes out and it does what it's
supposed to do it's supposed to bring
healing it's supposed to cut you at
times it's supposed to trip you up at
times if you're prideful you know if you
if you're envious if you're jealous if
you're doing wickedness wickedness on
the on the earth like there's
it does what it's supposed to do
saturn says i believe it's all
allegorical
yeah there's there's beauty in the
allegory
if you can see yourself in it
you gotta be able to see yourself in the
allegory that's who it's about
the allegory is not about
your uncle
allegories about you
you know
christians get scared at the allegory
allegory within the bible
because it makes them think that
it didn't happen or
none of it was literal you know those
kind of things and so
um
it's very scary for a lot of people to
think that as allegory but if you don't
understand the allegory you're never
going to understand
the meaning of it and the power of it
you know um
so you should research it on many levels
and i think that you have to be
spiritually awakened
to uh translate it and know what it
means
spiritually for you or even
on an esoteric level you know of
relating things back to the mysteries if
you're not trained in the mysteries if
you've never read
egyptian mysteries and you don't you
don't know any of it you're not going to
get the esoteric symbolism because you
don't know it you have no frame of
reference you're not going to read the
bible like wow this is talking about
egyptian sun worship you're not that's
not going to even pass your head you're
going to read the scriptures that says
god is the son you're going to read the
scriptures about praying to the east and
none of that's ever it's you're going to
it's going to read in and play into your
narrative and you're going to keep
reading but for the person who's done
studies on early sun cults and early
christian sun coats and know that
abraham came from a sun cold in solomon
saul aman was a a prince
uh sun worshiper you know and his name
literally translates to son son son like
if you don't know these things
you're just going to keep reading
and
it will permeate on another level
maybe you don't have to
uh get it on an esoteric level maybe you
don't have to get it on a spiritual
ascension level maybe you don't have to
get it on a ce5 alien contact level but
whatever that's the beautiful thing
about that the book because it's alive
it'll meet you where you are
it you know and it'll uh it'll do all
those things for you it's like you're re
you're reading that book but you're
you're looking into a mirror as you read
it because it knows the deepest and and
and uh darkest secrets of your hearts
and your dreams and your visions and the
things you've given up on and every time
you've been
you've given up on yourself like all of
that stuff comes up if you let it
so
it's good to read it on all of those
levels and i believe that there was
major four ways i believe it was
that the um
the jewish mystics believed when they
read the scriptures which was the
literal they did read it quite literally
and told these stories and
you know claim lineage you know and
those kind of things um
literal you had the allegorical
you had the esoteric
and you had the spiritual or
metaphysical aspects of it of what it
meant on a spiritual level and
we're all of those things
so
but not everyone is
privy to every level you may be well
gifted and
well read on one level of esoterics that
you you miss the simplicity of faith and
simple belief and trust and and ecstasy
in the spirit and love and the beauty of
exploring god's love you miss it because
you're too analytical
because you're too esoteric that you're
always seeking and you never get get
that level
so it is it is very much
good to be well-rounded
um and not just be
you only read it like it's literal
you probably start off that way because
that's the only way that we know
and it's the spirit that leads you and
teach you and guide you into all truth
anyway
so
as you get older and as you experience
life that thing begins to change and
transform and more morph and maybe
become more important to you at
different times in your life so
but i'm with you see true see truth says
i'm guilty of that for years i was too
attached to the knowledge i mean you
know what i say in my music um
i'm lost within the mystery but found
within simplicity like the mystery of
the esoteric the mystery of magic the
mystery of all of these things but i'm
found within the simplicity of love the
simplicity of grace of the gospel
message that while we were yet sinners
christ died for the ungodly and that he
took away our shame and our guilt i'll
start preaching that means a lot all of
that every single level
every single level i don't think that
one is greater than the next and you
need them all really but um
you know me milk is for it's for babies
babies drink milk
and uh but then when you start cutting
your gums and getting older you want to
you want you want steak
you want to go to Hebrews 6 i'm leaving
the basics again hebrew 6 is let's leave
these elementary principles of baptism
the problem is
see truth and many others and myself is
that you try to go to hebrew six and
leave the basics when you still don't
understand the basics
so we want to get into like
let's maybe jesus understood
alchemy and angel magic and sigils
that's why he was able to raise the dead
uh maybe so there's certain sigils that
that you you draw or write on a dead
corpse that that raises them from the
dead it's believed it you know when and
if you've studied that stuff you like
you know your brain gets to
turning like man what's he jesus was
trained in a lot of deep esoteric stuff
he
him and his family fled to egypt
and part of the rite of passage for
every patriarch of the bible they had to
go to egypt to be trained
you had to be trained in the mysteries
because the jewish mystics weren't
teaching it anymore so you had to you
had to leave the religion of your
fathers
and go and learn and be trained to be
and be taught and then come back and we
all have to do that i left christianity
you know as far as the religion i go i
go to church on sunday now and worship
and get in the spirit and listen to a
good sermon and i can receive it on that
level and i don't have to worry about
aliens and you know all this kind of
stuff like the beauty is that we know
everything exists in the in the midst of
whatever you're going through
and and um
i love
knowing the lord on all those levels and
knowing the spirit world on those levels
it makes it more it makes everything i
do more
more um
i don't know if it's a calculated or
more
um
i don't know it's just you know there's
ripples in in the spirit world you know
there's
many different revelations and facets
behind everything that you do you do not
throw a rock in into the
the river without those ripple effects
going out and
someone on the other side of the bank
feel it a little bit the butterfly
effect even in in worship or even in
and and listening to a sermon or
having demons cast it out of you just
through receiving the word of truth in a
word of faith where you used to believe
a lie listen like when you know all what
is taking place
man everything is magical and i think
that that's what
what it really means to be a mystic
especially a christian mystic is you're
in this realm of contemplation
you're always in contemplation and
you're always
deep you're always
counting the cost you're always
um
contemplative in your prayer
it is cause and effect
it's like why would i want to speak that
if i know that it's gonna
it's gonna ripple down for generations
to come
that
we have to give an account for every
word that we say wouldn't that like make
wouldn't that
people
get at me oh you take yourself too
seriously in your music man you just
need to rap about the street man rap
about the struggle blah blah blah it's
like listen that's not my life i don't
want to
i'm calculated with my with my lyrics
and what i say i think about it you
don't a fool lets the first thing that
comes to his head pop out of his mouth
like you got to be calculated especially
if you know there's weight behind your
words the scripture says that if you
repent
and utter
worthy and not worthless words if you'll
speak truth god says from heaven i'll
use you as my mouthpiece on the earth
if you know if you know the weight of
your words
and if you don't you never counted the
cost so yeah you want to move a little
bit slower
every move is a calculated step
you want to be a little bit
more cautious
what you entertain and what you do
because everything has a consequence
says in the book of psalm i believe it
is
i believe it's david who says i set i
made a covenant with my eyes that i
would not set no evil thing no wicked
thing before my eyes he knew that even
beholding
wickedness within his spirit
he's now i'm not going down there with
y'all anymore man
i used to hang out with y'all but i know
what y'all do
and you don't listen to me i end up
doing what y'all doing i go hang out
trying to raise the frequency raise the
vibration and i end up doing the same
thing
so david said i made a covenant with my
eyes that i would not partake of the
evil thing i will not look upon the evil
thing because they understood that the
eyes and the ears
were the gateway to the soul
santiago says something about one of my
songs here
but i did write a couple songs
emotional songs i was going through some
stuff and uh
and there was writer's block and uh i
wrote
an emotional ep that is not like me and
i i did that um
called him uh emotions it's a five song
ep i wanted the songs to come out and
they it they still resonate
with me and um
i got it out of me and um
i guess i released that writer's block
but santiago was talking about a song he
said your song paralyzed came in at a
very important time for me dee that song
alone is so powerful man
i know i didn't want to put it on a
single and i didn't want to cram it on
white magic because white magic is
something different it's magical right
and i know that that album is magical
too right it has its place but
there was a couple that i was going
through and just i wrote about some of
the stuff that i was dealing with some
of the the grief some of the depression
some of the
i wrote about it and made songs and was
like listen let's just put it on the ep
and whoever wants to listen to it you
can and it's out
and white magic is about to be out too
for those of you who pre-order white
magic
you're about to get it in your your
email
like it doesn't it's not going to come
out until like october the 6th i set the
release date already on itunes and all
that spotify
the release date is october the 6th but
if you pre-ordered it
you're going to get an autographed copy
and you're going to get it in your inbox
in the morning
you're gonna have 13 brand new songs
in your inbox
and there's some bangers there's some
good ones i'm excited i feel like the
world needs it
i feel like the world needs a lamp into
their feet and a light onto their path
they need it right now
they need it so i'm excited to release
this project and uh create as many
videos and promo stuff that i can
and uh so much so this i spent a lot of
money on the album cover of just like
getting it covered that's not it that's
not it i just didn't feel it i didn't
feel it i didn't feel it and so now
i just released the new cover today
and i felt it i seen it in my vision i
didn't create it i created some another
thing that i thought would
speak of it but this new one i did i
think it captures
um the essence of it to be an image for
the whole album
honestly
the previous cover i had of those of you
have seen it i still incorporated it's
on the cd and it's on the back but my
hand was the album cover
and so i didn't feel like it fit the
essence of the whole
cd the whole album
but it definitely
fit for a couple songs
i'll say that
so and some more of the esoteric some
more blabotsky stuff you know some of
the
uh
deeper stuff you know
um
shamanistic stuff you know which all of
its white magic but um i felt like it
fit those songs but not the entire album
because there's some magical there's
some astral travel there's dmt songs
there's worship songs like
it needed to be something a little bit
less
theosophical i'll say
um and
release the new out the new album cover
is out so i just put it on
on facebook like instagram
like
three hours ago so
if you haven't seen it go check it out
or just go to truthseeker.com and get
your pre-order and uh those will be
shipped out pretty soon too i'm gonna
place the order
um
probably tomorrow as well to get the
physical copies in
and i'll sign them get the stickers and
ship those out to you as well
that's what it is staying busy man thank
you guys for hanging out see truth says
many anointed in this chat
kenneth jones says in the beginning was
the word we have the ability to speak
which makes us co-creators in this world
yeah you're made in the image and
likeness of a creator god
and uh
and we create and we destroy just like
him
we are creators
we have imaginations we have thoughts
and then you get to choose whether you
want to carry those thoughts and ideas
out
or if you want to make excuses
you have dreams and visions about a life
about an earth that
that is more beautiful that is more
abundant
ah but yeah it's too
yeah
you see you maybe even see there's like
maybe a a taunt or a vision of yourself
that's in better health
a vision of yourself that you see in
your dreams with your eyes closed or
maybe it used to exist at one point but
you put on some weight you got lazy
and you want to get it because it exists
you can see it
so it exists it's in the it's on a
timeline it's in your head
it's a vision without action is merely a
dream so
once you have that vision
it is up to you and not up to anyone
else to bring that
vision
into fulfillment and to birth it
and there's things that you got to do
and it's easier to make
excuses and
let things stay the way that they are
but uh if you want something better you
got to go get it i can't do the work for
you i'd love to but i'm too busy doing
my own i can help you we can talk i can
be friends i got programs i got courses
i got music all of that is to inspire
you and help you and to teach you but
you got to do it for for you
because you're worth it you deserve it
i was thinking earlier
of a quote
i almost posted it on facebook i said
nah y'all ain't gonna get it i'm gonna
keep it to myself but i'll share it on
my podcast because y'all will get it
there's too many muggles on facebook
it just be reading what the hell is he
talking about but
what came to me
a download of inspiration
learn
the laws of the universe
learn universal law
the rules and regulations of the game
you're playing
i had a buddy of mine good friend of
mine he came out and shot basketball
with us a couple weeks ago about three
weeks ago
he came on the court and he was playing
with some ballers some hoopers for real
and uh he went out there not knowing
what he was doing he didn't even
we told him who was on his team he
didn't know who was on his team
he didn't really know how to shoot or
dribble and he was out there with the
ballers
you're playing a game
and there's some ballers out there
don't be a hater
why they balling like that
why they got money and they won't let me
have any stop making excuses learn how
to play the game you can watch youtube
videos on how to play the game
the game of life and the game of
basketball too you want to play
basketball you can learn and you can
practice you can learn you can practice
you can watch and one tutorials
kill a crossover that makes people fall
down if i do this one move they're gonna
fall every time if i run as fast as i
can then i stop on a dime and turn boom
they're gonna fall there's things that
you learn
and how to play the game
and you practice and you get better and
you apply it and you continue doing what
works so
maybe you'll end up having
four crossovers
that you can go to whenever with
basketball
if there's a defender's playing really
good defense you hit them with a
crossover nothing happens dang they
didn't even bite they didn't fall
then you got another move boom they
didn't fall third move i got around him
oh wow he's slow on that side his left
side his ankle hurts
he got a bad left ankle
so if i hesitate to the right and run to
the left
i'm gonna beat him every time you find
out
how to play the game in the in the tools
in your arsenal that's basketball and
that's life
keep showing up on the court
and not knowing what you're doing
and you're gonna keep getting the same
results
that's in business
it's in spirituality
that's in religion that's in
relationship that's in everything again
learn the universal laws
the rules of the game
and then make your own
then make your own
learn how things work
and if you want to learn universal law
learn the seven hermetic principles
listen it is in the bible they're all
through the bible but they're not listed
like those are but they all echo each
other so you'll learn them you'll get
them in you but
it's universe to me the bible is
universal law it's this i i'm
it's the same thing
um each guy know what you're looking for
know what you're reading
um learn universal
law and then
learn the rules and then make your own
make your own you name the game we're in
a place where a lot of things are
happening and existing with the internet
that's never happened before
and you're waiting for permission
but they don't have your vision
there's not a soul on the earth that you
can speak your vision to and they would
understand it because it's your vision
and you're looking for people to come on
board with you with your vision they're
not going to do it they got their own
vision
hire somebody get somebody else in your
circle who
is good at what you suck at
build a team
on basketball we know again the same
analogy
if you got one good player
listen when it's five seconds left on
the clock they're definitely giving it
to that guy let's throw all the
all the
defenders over there because nobody can
shoot a three but him he's a three-point
shooter guard him at the three-point
line
okay well you need a team
i can dish it over here
i'm a fake like i'ma shoot but i'm gonna
dish it
to somebody who can dunk boom we won
we win get you a team man find you
people in your life and there's many
different people that you have jesus had
12 disciples many had tax collectors
with him man
he had
you know he had people that was good at
things that he had a treasurer with him
man he had somebody looking after the
money
like
you know obviously the dude came back to
try to get him in the end but
when it was dealing with with with that
money
you want somebody who can count
he wants somebody who can flip it you
want somebody who can invest
so with that being said
learn universal law
learn the rules
and then make your own
because we're in a in a a place where
we get to make it up as we go there's a
lot of interviews i do with people i
feel like they make it up as they go
they understand they're in a work in a
realm where people like that
i don't know that this guy today wasn't
doing that
you know but i talked to a lot of people
and my spidey sense kicks in
hold on
you're making this up as you go
a lot of christians a lot of pastors a
lot of new agers a lot of et contactees
um
making it up as they go
no i was channeling
i channeled it
encountered it from a bean an octorion
you're making it up as you go buddy
it's okay we're in a realm when you can
do that
now you could do that and make up some
weird stories
i got friends who make up excuses as
they go
they make up excuses as they go like
like people make up stories well there
was an octorion who who came to me and
and 3am and and he stuck
his finger in my neck and opened up a
portal and pulled me out my body
what he did
i got friends who make up excuses as
they go
hey man what's up they just they're
gonna come up with a new excuse every
time
damn i thought you wanted help
yeah well i did but
so and so
i didn't have what you had i didn't have
what they had
i believe in you man you can do it well
i need three more people to believe in
me what
you just don't believe in yourself let's
be honest
because we make the rules up as we go
when you're dealing with something in
uncharted territory
you make the rules up as they go
because nobody's been there before so
they can't tell you how to do it why are
you asking somebody who doesn't have
that vision on how to execute it they
ain't never executed a vision in their
life
but you're asking them how to execute
yours
that's the
that's the definition of insanity
to keep doing the same thing over and
over and expecting different results
you are insane you got to do something
different you got to get out your
comfort zone
you got to try something different
because what you've been doing
it ain't working
i'm talking spirituality i'm talking
financially i'm talking podcast i'm
talking writing your book i'm talking
going live on youtube and making up
stories about channeling entities
or really channeling entities i don't
know
it's all the same to be at this point
um
but you guys know
you guys know i don't
i don't
but i do know you can make rules
i do do know once you understand the way
the matrix works
in a way that this thing operates
that there's hacking codes
that there's experimentation
and don't look for somebody else to give
you permission
do it yourself
everywhere you go they're going to be
people that want to put you down and put
you in a box or tell you you
can but
you have to show them
better than you can tell them
and you can do that
nobody can be you
but you
nobody can be you and do you
quite like you
make it up as you go
i got people trying to tell me how to do
something they never did
and don't it don't work
it works for them because they're trying
to keep you in a
lull they're trying to keep you
in your box because it's serving them
they've got their foot up on your box
like they're using it as a footstool
as long as they keep you in that box
you're right but if you get out of it if
you move it or if you destroy it then it
doesn't serve them anymore
so thor says what derek something got
bit by something and opened up a portal
to another realm i choked here my dreams
hear you say that
yeah listen life is magical
okay nobody tell you how to do it can't
nobody be you but you
ain't no ain't nobody is going to do it
but you
so stop making excuses
and make it happen
vision that you want to see the vision
that you see do it because nobody you
might be the only one with that vision
but eventually people will come with a
similar vision
and they'll join on board with you and
they'll help you
and they'll walk beside you
and you walk beside them hand in hand as
friends do
and then we begin to change things
people to tell you something is supposed
to be some one way
because it's their narrative
you say no i'm gonna try this way
and then you start seeing results
on something they say that is not
possible
learn the rules
universal laws learn them
and then make your own rules in that
okay so if i do this this happens all
right
got it
i'm gonna make up a new crossover
you gotta make it up you learn the rules
of basketball
learn the physics of basketball
i mean you gotta know how much air is in
the ball to know certain moves that work
go watch the professor
he goes to he goes to courts and plays
people that are so called good at
basketball and this guy is doing
i mean he's throwing the ball as hard as
he can off the backboard and is coming
right back to him in his other hand he's
passing it to himself off the backboard
he's
bouncing it off their heads he's
throwing it through their leg he's
practicing night and day he's doing
stuff you never thought was possible
with the basketball in game with people
so because he learned the rules
and he built on top of it
by making his own rules
and now they can't touch them
somebody said the bible is analogy i'm
using analogies we we speak jesus spoke
with analogy parables
we have to
angels speak with analogy
god speaks with analogy allegory signs
and symbols
you can't handle the truth none of us
could
we knew exactly what was going on it
would blow our heads off
none of us could handle the truth
these documentaries you're watching i
think that you're you're seeing when
you're getting little pieces of stuff
and you feel woke
nobody can handle it none of us could
david i couldn't handle it
see what happened when he thought he
could handle it he's on tv talking about
he was jesus
david ike
alex jones
on to uh
uh
y2k the year 2000 he's on radio trying
to incite riots
trying to cause chaos and confusion
these people can't handle the truth man
learn the rules and then make your own
you got to do it
stop looking to david ike stop looking
to me stop looking to
whoever you're looking to that ain't
trying to help you
and find somebody
that believes in you
even if that person is you
because if you don't believe in yourself
if you don't see that
if you don't see the the abilities and
the gifts and the talents and potentials
in yourself you you know
you're never gonna get anywhere
you do that one thing at a time you
build your faith one thing at a time you
gotta step out you gotta step up
to the plate
and try stuff
we're figuring out as we go
i don't like making it up as we go
because when we hear making up at making
it up as we go we it feels like a lie
hey that guy just lied to me
i was believing him too
he just made it up dude that's what he
does he just you just talk for hours man
he's make make stuff up
he's good at it he's a great storyteller
man
it just still feels disingenuous that he
made that up and i believed him i feel i
feel like i'm gullible because i
believed him
yeah he admitted that he was lying he
came out and said all that was a lie
damn i thought it was legit
misha in the wolves is the documentary
on netflix you should watch
and you'll find out there's a lot of
miesha's
and a lot of wolves
out there
love you guys
peace peace peace
talk with you on the next one
going live tomorrow who are we talking
to tomorrow let me see
let me see who it is i'll let you know
just so you can do your
um
leonard
pelometer
let me google his name because i don't
even know what we're talking about
elliot
it's a weird last name though i will say
that pelometer
i don't even know y'all
i will know tomorrow
when we do the podcast
that's funny corey says i just realized
you're a true seeker
you're the truth seeker
yeah i just realized that you're the
the true seeker of the truth seeker
podcast
yep
that's me
take care
derek do you know
you know what we anonymous do anonymous
oh sorry
yep um
i don't know i'll be live tomorrow i
didn't set this show up in advance
but uh
we'll do it in the morning
uh
china says what time so i can have it
ready as a reminder
um
10 a.m central
every tuesday and thursday
and usually wednesdays at
seven
that's a new thing that we just started
adding
we just started adding
wednesdays and trying to do some more
paranormal and
um supernatural and
ufo stuff on on wednesday nights there's
a different crew in here there's
different people who are able to tap in
so again i'll be live tomorrow we'll be
doing it um got a bunch more stuff
coming up we're i'm booked up for like a
good month and a half with guests and uh
a lot of stuff but those of you who who
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pre-order it
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check it out with that i'm gonna say
peace we'll do it again bless y'all
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