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again paul askoff paul welcome to the
true secret podcast my friend how are
you
i'm excellent and thank you very much
for having me
i'm jealous of the weather man you're
saying that uh what is in the 60s where
you are right now
yeah sure yeah mid 60s mid 60s probably
a cool breeze blowing outside
i'll be jealous i can't wait
it's hot down here say it again
and i want your weather a bit of heat
it's grass is always greener
sure is yeah yeah uh excited to have you
on you know before we went live here
we're talking about
uh the interest in ufology right now and
uh those are like all of my shows that
are taken off when i look at the numbers
even the ones i've done years ago
uh anything concerning ufos and aliens
and that that kind of thing is uh
people are looking it up people are
asking questions right now
i would say disclosure is happening from
the sky people are having encounters and
then the government's releasing
documents so people are people are
asking questions right now so it's
definitely something that
i love to talk about and love to dive in
so we're gonna we're gonna pick your
brain and hear your story
and talk about your book which you've
covered a lot of that stuff in there but
uh for those who don't know who you are
and much about your work just kind of
give us a brief
overview of who you are what you bring
to the table we'll start there
yeah okay well i've been medical all my
life
i've been a qualified nurse qualified
occupational health nurse qualified
paramedic
and it was always been medical
throughout my life
however i have just recently retired
gave me time to write the book as
something i've always wanted to do
was put my ideas down on paper
and get just get my ideas out there for
people
and i think from because i had such a
strong religious
upbringing when i was smaller and then
things my attitude began to change with
seeing ufos and other things and
it changes your attitude somewhat and
also your experiences and spiritual
experiences too
and that sort of steers you up i believe
everything happens for a reason
and you're steered in a certain
direction and
when the time is right that door will
open and
you will move in that direction if you
want to and i think that's what happens
throughout most people's lives
and it's just to for me is being able to
get the information out there
because what i have seen previously
i mean don't get me wrong there are a
lot of really good authors some lovely
people out there
that do a lot of investigating a lot of
work both into the paranormal
and into ufos and
for me i wanted to give the whole
picture
people tend to just put a slice of the
pie like they'll just stick with
poltergeist investigation or they'll
just stick with
spiritual healing or they'll speak to
ufos as in
uh we'll say the pascagoula and the
calvin parker and
charles hickson event or roswell for
argument's sake
so people tend to give these smaller
pieces of the puzzle
and i believe that there are they are
all joined or they can be all joined
together
and we need to be thinking out the box
and we need to be thinking about the
whole picture
rather than just the pieces of the
picture
yeah and uh you've been in this for a
long time in
in paranormal and uh ufo research
in that field um so
do you have you come to a conclusion i
feel like the longer you stay in it the
you know you think you're gonna pinpoint
this stuff down and figure out exactly
what's going on
but i feel like you end up having more
questions than
you had when you when you start is that
true for you or are you
are you clear on a lot of what's going
on in ufology
ah now that's a sixty-four thousand
dollar question
you i mean i'm a yorkshireman so i
always think i'm right yeah we're good
yeah we know yeah we've got the answer
but never say never because
new things do come to light all the time
and when i started
should i uh tell the listeners how i got
into ufos
yeah i want to hear about your first
encounter for sure
okay i i just had my i was
just into being 11 years old i just had
my birthday
and we'd moved into a new home a few
months previously
it was on the edge of a small village
really rural
now i'm talking a lot of years ago i'm
talking 1968
so there were no such thing as the
police helicopters or ambulance
helicopters anything like that
and the air traffic was very much lower
too now we were very
rural locations so there wasn't much
aircraft
that much flying over our location where
we were
we were right on the edge of the village
and we were looking from our front
house we faced due east
myself and my brother last job of the
day as a routine
we did what our father said and we took
our dogs for the water we had a very
disabled war veteran next door
had to take his dog for a walk so the
routine was
took the dogs for a walk came back said
good night to the parents and went to
bed that's what we did
so we take the dogs for reward my
brother who was nine
and i just had my 11th birthday when we
came back in and my father was in the
front garden
and that time of night it was just
beginning to get dark
there was no light pollution like there
is now so even though it was dust you
could see the major constellations
the brighter magnitude stars were just
coming out
so my father sat us down at the side of
him and he's pointing to them
now he wasn't an astronomer or anything
but he had a telescope and he
liked to involve the children like
parents do so was were all three
looking at the sky to the north straight
in front of us
was a bank of cloud really thick bank of
cloud that went all the way
but the other side of the sky was
completely clear perfectly clear
and then as we're looking at the sky two
ufos
came flying out this flies the wrong
word
but came zooming out of this bank of
cloud and then just stopped dead
there was no deceleration and if you can
imagine like
a v formation but one slightly to one
side and behind the other
and as they stopped they were perfectly
spherical
pearly white brilliant white balls of
white
now the one nearest to us was about
uh very close to the cloud and was about
the size of
a dime at arm's length so they were
quite large
really and you could actually see the
light from it
shining on the cloud and all three of us
were like
doomstruck looking at these there was no
sound whatsoever
no uh apparent rotation no
strobes or anything like that there was
just a solid white light
and then after a few seconds they
immediately moved at 90 degrees
going directly away from us but they
stayed at the same relative position to
each other
nothing apparently joining together now
when they were stationary
they were perfectly circular and as they
stopped
i got a voice perfectly clear
in my head now i don't know why
but i'm saying the voice was friendly
and the voice was masculine and it said
all the impression he got was oops we
hadn't meant to have been seen we hadn't
meant to come out the clown
and that was perfectly clear in my head
and then after a few seconds they were
immediately moving fast
going away from us and as they moved
away from us
it was like they were covered in an
atmosphere or something like
something around them that gave that
wasn't attached to it but it gave off
this sort of phosphorescence around it
and there was the tiniest little
teardrop shape as they moved
as if this atmosphere was slipping away
almost
and again no sound or anything and they
went in a perfectly straight line down
this bank of cloud
and you could still see the light from
them reflecting on the surface of the
cloud
until they disappeared in the distance
towards what was then a coal-fired power
station about nine miles away as the
crow flies
now the three of us were just
dumbfounded and in silence
and the father who done his national
service without royal air force
and he was the first to speak after a
while and he said
well there's nothing that we have that
can do that
and that from that moment on it was like
i wanted to know how i do it how do i
don't know about it
why isn't it on the news why is it in
the newspapers
why aren't people talking about it
because it was so
bizarre it was so for want of a better
term
obviously alien it was so odd and out
there
how could it not be anything but alien
and that's one of the things i've
learned
as an investigator years later
that even though people give or
i dare say the authorities give the
explanations of well it was a
temperature inversion it was the
lighthouse
through the trees it was military flares
they do that's enough for people on the
periphery and on the outside
to give a logical explanation because as
the normal human psyche you're always
trying to rationalize
things so for people on the outside it's
nice to say
yes that's what it is i'll just cross it
off but the reality is
for the people that witness it it falls
far short
and these people are still left with yes
i want to move on yes i want to
accept that explanation but i don't
still don't think it's right
and we do get that a lot within
investigating the field of new apology
wow that's an amazing uh first story
first
first encounter um and obviously you
know you this is something you started
pursuing and asking questions and things
like that later
um one thing i wanted just to comment on
is what you said about
what we'll call telepathic communication
when when you saw it there was a thought
that that you
picked up that something told you
or or you picked up on it and and the
reason i'm going to because i've had
similar encounters where these you see
it and
there's a thought immediately implanted
in your head and they tell you something
about being seen
you know that's the interesting thing
whatever
they are they know when someone sees
them
like they know if they're cloaked they
know if if
they're hiding in the cloud and then
they know if an eyewitness and onlooker
makes con makes sees them and registers
in their brain
hey there's something weird right there
there's a ufo and they know it
and it's like they sent a thought hey we
we didn't want you to see this yeah that
kind of thing
you know and then they take off what do
you what do you think that is
do you do you think that um that they're
just
you know trying trying to communicate or
they you know they
it's so hard to say what it is you know
if uh especially you saw by hearing
voices you know and
people talk about it well it's just the
government and the government has
technology to send thoughts to you and
all this kind of weird stuff
what do you say about that because it's
real beautiful it's encouraging
yeah it sparks awe and wonder in your
life creativity
you know and and like you said once you
start pursuing that stuff
interesting things start happening what
do you think is going on with
that type of what we'll call a
telepathic communication when someone
right sees the ufo right okay
it gets like what i've tried to do just
to digress very slightly
i've tried to write my book so that
anybody can pick it up
because you do get a lot of people that
try to explain the science behind it
yeah and you as a reader you're trying
to read it and thinking well this is
getting a bit heavy i am able to
concentrate here
and i didn't want that what i wanted to
do was just put it in very easy
layman's term simple to understand so
this is my explanation on it we
i'm going to slightly scientific but
it's very simple
we are what we deal with on a daily
basis
within our normal electromagnetic
spectrum
right at the high end you've got radio
waves that we're using now
and then you come down through the
infrared to the visible light
and our acoustic spectrum and then it
goes down through the ultraviolet
x-rays and then gamma rays at the lower
end
that's our normal electromagnetic
spectrum
that as human beings we've learned to
deal with and to a certain extent
we can now measure and we're going
further afield in our
photography and in infrared and
ultraviolet we've got that on the hubble
and all sorts of things and it's same
with on the
gun cameras with the latest ones with
the uap
tk report and things and having
corroborative evidence because they've
got
infrared cameras as well as normal
cameras
on the aircraft now
if you imagine that electromagnetic
spectrum
what we actually see in here every day
that we deal with every day is actually
less than one-tenth
of one percent of what we know about
electromagnetic spectrum right now we
can
measure measure it to a certain extent
we know about
ekgs that you call eegs when they
measure the brain patterns
but at the end of the day we're not that
good with it really we're only
scratching the surface
now slightly aside from that
the latest scientists and cosmologists
are saying that
between 75 and even as much as 95
of the universe that we deal with is
dark energy and dark matter that we
can't even measure
but they know it's there because of the
way our
bit of the electromagnetic spectrum and
the things that we know
react so because of that we're only
actually seeing that one tenth of one
percent
of five percent if you get what i mean
so there's another 90 95 that we don't
even know about
now this is something that et
is completely in control of
completely understands and completely is
able to
understand it to a an extent that they
can manipulate it and use it
therefore when we've been talking about
communication on the telepathic level
they immediately everything that we have
right you
me the computer we sat in front of the
room we sat in the chair we sat on
everything has a magnetic field that we
can to a limited extent measure
but if you imagine now you know on a
spiritual level
when you meet somebody for the first
time you know immediately if you're
going to get on with that person or not
because your magnetic field reacts with
their magnetic field
so your auras immediately that's when
you know if you're on the same
wavelength
yeah we have all these little phrases in
our normal life and people don't
understand it yeah
but when you meet somebody you know if
you're on the same wavelength or not
so you know if you're going to get on or
not and it's exactly the
same et can control that every thought
that you have and the intention behind
it
zeinstein said everything is energy and
the for
is a is energy so therefore if you are
et and you're able to control that
you're able to manipulate it you
understand it
that is why et can immediately zoom in
that's why we get these abductees
that go back and see things and people
see things constantly
and where they say eating suddenly why
have they come for me why they suddenly
appeared at the side of the bed
why did they think i was thinking that
why did they not let me remember
why did i see an owl else is a good one
or a vehicle parts of the side
of the road and it's because they're
able to control our memories
and our frequencies and because they
understand it
they can zoom straight into us they know
immediately that's why they know when
you've seen them
that's why they know where you are
that's why people oh is it a bizarre act
of kindness
in reality the et don't let you remember
yeah hey yeah like i mean
you know that if you know you come from
the medical field
and if you're going through a surgery
like
there's a counsel where people wake up
during surgery yeah
they're cut open and but they can't move
like yeah
you're not supposed to see that you're
not supposed to remember that right so
like you said maybe it's a service that
you can't
remember most people by sheer fright of
what
these beings look like well you know
fear and hysteria immediately kicks in
and panic you know just to see what they
look like and
um so with that being said that is
pretty advanced
technology or spirituality or just
their you know abilities that's we call
god-given that they have it's pretty
pretty advanced and
and pretty powerful um it could be scary
or it could be a blessing
um what depending on the
intentions of the et's now would you say
uh benevolent benevolent uh both
what what is your experiences with with
these these beings and uh and the
reports of others
yeah okay i'll go i'll use an analogy
that i use in the book
imagine our electromagnetic spectrum
that we're on now
our life that we're sat on this earth is
an old vinyl record an old lp
with a hole in the center and the
grooves from the edge to the center
that is our frequency that we deal with
that we're
the planet the plane the physical
reality that we deal with on a daily
basis
so if et is able to manipulate that
remember we only see one-fifth
or one-tenth of one percent rather
within that electromagnetic spectrum so
where on that record
there are actually a whole stack of
records on different frequencies
some people call different dimensions
both the bubbles and below us
so et one thing that the going back to
the abductees which they will say
uh the messages that they are given
or people that have done hypnotic
regression
uh people like um dolores cannon bud
hopkins unfortunately they're no longer
with us but kat martin more recently
and one thing that they say constantly
is that
everything's done by thought it's an
energy that they have
and bud hopkins i was very fortunate to
meet him and have lunch with him once
uh i was helping out at a
buford concert the british ufo research
association
and bud hopkins was a guest and he was
quite
what can i say he came out with it and
he said paul he said i got into the
field of ufology purely by chance he
says i was an artist
and he got into hypnotherapy mainly on
the counseling side of things
wanting to help people it was a lovely
man real gentleman
wanting to help people but he said when
different
people from all geographical locations
around the world
and all different backgrounds whether
they be wealthy whether to be very poor
he says and they're all telling you
exactly the same story and they've never
met each other they don't know
these other people telling me the same
story he says but when you do that
and they're all telling you he says
obviously there's got to be some truth
to it
and one of the things that they all say
is everything was done by
thought that is the energy and that is
why you
never have a problem people say they
communicate
they speak in their language because
they don't need language because it's
the thought
ideas the idea that goes directly into
your brain and that's
how it's put over and that's how you
pick it up
so language doesn't come into it and the
other thing
that's how the abductees where they'll
often say
uh people say i can remember seeing an
owl or i can remember i see in a vehicle
the side of the road
and it's been allowed to remember these
things
there was an abduction i uh four adults
that he investigated puberty for back in
the mid 90s
and one of the guys gave a really good
description and he said
it was a really odd atmosphere he says
and i can clearly remember
thinking well how is it suddenly dark
why has it got dark so quickly
and he said when i look back at it now
he said if you can imagine
your memory as a videotape
that's been cut into segments and then a
lot of it thrown away
and the bits that are put together
aren't necessarily in the right order
he says that's how it feels in my head
where normally people will rationalize
and you can remember things in a normal
relatively accurate chronological order
he says this it doesn't work does it for
that portion of my life
it won't my brain doesn't work it won't
let me remember
and it's just been able to control that
frequency
so you can blank it or do whatever and
it's just
for them it's a straightforward thing
it's not a
there's no magic to it as einstein said
everything is science there's no
there's no magic behind it there's no
it's just a spiritual thing too
yeah it's gone no i
there's so many different places we can
go again i just
i want you to be clear on are they good
or bad
you know as far as or both you know
because a lot of people will say
you know they're just like humans we
have some good humans and bad humans i
i i don't necessarily agree with that
all of my experiences have been
beautiful
have been like amazing you know and so
the whole thing about the abduction
phenomena which we've seen
you know really in the 80s and 90s
and it was like uh terrifying
experiences kind of thing
um but now you you're hearing more of
the
experiencer and the contact d and they
were like
it's more of a i'm sure i was chosen to
uh
to to see this and i'm thankful that it
happened and now
you know psychic abilities are
increasing in the individual like
creativity is unlocking in the
individual uh
it seems like whether there's a you know
something's
changing in that realm which some people
would would agree
um and i do feel like there's a lot of
disinfo
out there as well but i feel like
you know that they're definitely
benevolent i feel like there's a code of
conduct
out there a spiritual code of evolution
that that
we need to uh rise to as well to be
accepted amongst the stars and so
but obviously my experience is my
experience and other people will tell
you different things
do you think that these beings who have
evolved themselves
maybe millions of years it more advanced
than us
um are they good or bad is that i know
it's kind of like
just painting it black or white and that
that may even be a little bit nuanced
and hard to
to say but from your your studies are
they good guys or are they bad guys
or are they just neutral what do you
think i think the definitely good guys
and as you again it's
a personal thing that i've never had
anything bad
however if we'll use back go back to the
analogy of the stack of records
if you imagine evil is on the outside
no such thing as the devil but evil does
exist and there are evil spirits and
lower
vibrations that obviously affect us if
you imagine evil is the edge
and then each of those grooves on the
record
on whichever plane you're on whichever
record or
one you're you're experiencing at this
moment
each groove is a life and a life
experience
by you to move towards the center and
the hole in the center is purity
now some will call it god you call it
what you like but at the end of the day
religion has nothing to do with it
because all right
for the same for everybody whether you
believe it or not is irrelevant
it's the same distance to the center and
it's the same amount of learning that we
all have to go through
and this is where you've just touched on
it where i believe
et is for one to a better term
better than us because they've advanced
spiritually as well
so they will be obviously made of the
center they might be
10 records higher up in the stack than
we are
but they still have the same journey and
that's why it's this as you said i
believe the same
this universal law of do no harm
one of the things that uh calvin parker
and charlie hits him
at their pascagoula when they were
abducted and they put them back and
calvin got the voice in his head was we
meant you no harm
you know and it's again is it that sort
of thing where
if we were looking at a nature thing and
we're looking and we put nets up and
catch birds or bats
and we look to see what the numbers are
and what weight they are are they
healthy are they doing every day
and they tag them or let them go is this
exactly the same but
obviously it's a much higher level yeah
so again you go by and it's not
necessarily a bad thing right
i mean now to that to that bird or to
that bat
they're terrified they think they're
about to die
and then it's almost like a near-death
experience because then now they're free
and like oh my god
i thought i was gonna die i got to tell
everybody you know these
these people grab me and you know they
they're writing books and
and and selling scripts to movies and
you know that kind of thing
saying the same scenario yeah
there are other things that are pointers
that we know that they use or
in my opinion the point is that they use
the electromagnetic spectrum
the first thing which is quite obvious
is you will get
people that see even going back to the
1950s and
we've constantly had sightings where
they've been seen on radar but you can't
see them with the eye
or you can see them i mean we've even
had them over the airfield where people
could look out of the
control tower and see them but they
didn't appear on the radar
and it's just they're not that frequency
they're at a different place
and and it's the same constantly
throughout that and it's all
to do with the magnetic frequency there
was the
gaffney incident in the us where there
was different
a lot of different people including the
police saw a number of sightings over
this night
uh and part of it was a young couple
that
had parked up and i don't know whether
they're having a domestic or whether it
was the other end of the scale but they
were packed up
and they saw initially the outline of a
disc shaped craft
coming towards them so they were both
like
oh my god look at this and as it came
towards them it solidified and became
real which something would
because if you think about it they're on
the infrared
spectrum as they come down through our
magnetic frequency
into our visible light but what it did
was as it came through the
shrubbery and the trees in front of them
the trees burst into flames
which they would be degenerating heat
through the infrared frequency
now this as it materialized
suddenly shot off into the distance and
was gone
but left the trees and shrubbery on fire
they called the police call the fire
service
which duly turned up the fire service
put the fire out
the police took a statement no other
evidence whatsoever
and again as one of my colleagues paul
sinclair said with his series of books
truth proof
it's the truth that leaves no proof
because it's not on our frequency
it doesn't connect because they're
coming down to our level
for whatever reason just for that time
so that's when we see them
and then they go back up to their own
frequency and it's gone
and it's the same or uh
same of the paranormal and you often get
people who say if they see something
whether it be paranormal and we've even
had it with cryptids
people seen dogman people seeing mothman
people seeing bigfoot or sasquatch and
they say
i was absolutely terrified and that is
because
when you get that frequency coming down
to you to our level
it's where if you like we have these
geographical locations all over the
world
where if you like the veil is thing
because the two records the two
frequencies are almost touching
so for argument's sake in the states
you've got lots of them but skinwalker
ranch i would say is the more famous
and when people get this they get this
intense fear
and i think that's because on a
spiritual level
your soul knows you're entering an
area and a frequency where it should be
and so you get this where you know in
human
terms on our plane on a chemical level
you get the fight off light syndrome if
you're in a
stressful situation on a spiritual level
you can get this intense fear and we've
had reports on that from the paranormal
from scene spirit
from cryptids and seeing bigfoot from
ufos and
abductions the same and it's because of
that because of the change in frequency
that's what you pick up on what's the
soul picks up on if you like
does that make sense yeah yeah it does
and uh
yeah it is scary you know seeing
something for the first time
that stars you and you're not prepared
or what it's going to look or
or you know feel like i mean for me
there was a lot of fear there too
because of all of the the movies that i
watched in the
in the 90s about abduction and communion
and
most of them were like you know fire in
the sky
like horror horror movies essentially
but
with those movies there are beautiful
ufo movies too
you know that are out there that don't
you know get as much attention but
for me when i begin to see a lot of us
i've seen a lot
like sometimes when they come down low i
still get scared
you know thinking i'm gonna get abducted
and taken away even if
even though it's something that i'm
trying to facilitate
through thought through prayer that kind
of thing and that's one thing i want to
touch on as well i ask you about
the ce5 initiative contact of the fifth
kind
where you actually contact them and ask
them or summon them kind of thing right
so if they can read our thoughts and
they
pick up on that frequency you know
there's a huge movement of people who
are going out to open fields
and asking for a sighting asking for the
ships to come in for the beings to come
in that have our
greatest good in mind i'm asking you to
show up and all of these people
getting together on one accord lifting
up this
thought and uh and they're having
encounters and
and experiences what what are your
thoughts on that of us being able to
contact them through through telepathic
communication that
actually works both ways that they can
send stuff to us but we can say hey i
know you're out there
can you move these clouds or just fly by
or something you know
what are your thoughts on the ce5
initiative yeah um
excellent simply because that is
that is the direction we should be going
if they're so much
uh more advanced than us they're
spiritually more developed than we are
we need to move ourselves up a record or
two we need to lift our vibration
so by doing that by having this you see
that's the other thing where this ce5
initiative would work
because they can see the intention
behind it
they can pick up on the intention behind
it they know
so it's easy for them i believe that
there are many different types of et
that's why you get some that are good
and some that are not so good
some that would treat us i think they're
all benevolent had there been
any if you like malevolent intention
behind it
we would have been long gone years
millions of years ago yeah we wouldn't
you know when we were primitive you know
yeah
yeah i mean at the end of the day going
back to
that universal law everything has to be
done by your
own effort and that is the same they are
leaving us to see if we
have the where with all within us to
lift our vibration
and become a better race than we
currently are
so one other thing that lit that just
struck me while we were talking about
that that
again going back to the electromagnetic
spectrum that explains something that
uh abductees or even just experiences as
people with sightings get and this is
true with the both the paranormal
encrypted
as well is the absolute silence
and people often say there was no sound
at all there were nothing
and then i became scared and we get that
quite
frequently we get that a lot and i think
again that is because
you are in that zone the oz effect if
you like on that zone where the two
levels are meeting
and because you're on that level you
inadvertently if you like
are venturing onto another plane onto
another record onto another frequency
so because you're entering this other
frequency suddenly
you're not aware you can hear anything
because you're on a different one
and that is why people often report
i couldn't hear anything like there were
no background homo traffic there were no
wind there were no birds in the trees
or it's suddenly gone silent it suddenly
gone silent because
you are entering this zone you are
getting close you know
and for me that is one of the things
where you see these uh
bigfoot expeditions and things like that
where people say
it's suddenly gone quiet i can't hear
anything and that is because
they're entering that zone that little
pocket
of energy that's on a different level
so they can't hit anything because it's
not on their frequency
does that make sense yeah it's like that
space in between
um it's weird like
you know people i feel like people
enter that that state in in other ways
too when when trauma happens and
you know uh there's just
children who who kind of get lost in
staring
in their imagination and they're just
hey i'm talking to you and they're
somewhere else it's almost like
even though that person is talking to
them they're not you know they're
i guess their mind is is somewhere else
too so it's almost like
a place that we can you know tap into
uh the in between by other means as well
and uh and is it spiritual very much
could be with with our imagination
and our thoughts and our will um almost
drifting
in between those realms and the younger
children
don't have those preconceived ideas that
we have
you know so we they're more open to it
you know than we are
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so it's gonna be good um
for somebody you know let's say somebody
there's a lot of people
who never have an encounter like this
they go their whole life they don't
believe
um they they don't believe in the
supernatural they don't believe in
in the metaphysical they don't believe
in ufos and aliens they've never
experienced it but then you have other
people
like once you have that first encounter
then
it's a lifelong journey of supernatural
i've had so many it's hard to keep count
at this point when
my neighbor could not even experience
anything what do you think that is do
you think that that first
maybe even random experience just opens
you up energetically
to look for patterns and to see things
that are beyond the veil i feel like
that's what happened
for me and i'm doing this you know like
i said for a living now it's something
that happened to me at four
shadow beings coming into my room as a
toddler and uh and that stuck with me to
ask the bigger questions and
to get clear on what it was and see if
it's happened to anybody else and it
just kind of
you know launched me into this this life
where i've always been into the
paranormal metaphysical
ufos the occult all of it and i feel
like
the imagination in this world the way it
works is you find what you're looking
for
do you think it's a random spur of the
moment experience that just
opens up a lifelong uh uh pursuit
in this field or what do you think the
difference is
i i think the difference is we're all on
this journey all on these grooves of the
record
endeavoring to reach the center and you
have to do it by your
own effort so if you go back to your
order your personal vibration and your
personal frequency
that may not be the lesson that they're
on and therefore
everybody's on their own own groove
their own lesson they have to do
and for some people it's more spiritual
for others it isn't
someone won't be ready yet and some will
have done it but need to do
and experience other things so it's not
always detrimental but it's like a
constant learning thing that i believe
we all have to go through
and we different i i think that
i would like you i was fortunate to
experience many different things when i
was younger
uh and that opens your mind to think wow
there's obviously much more than i i
could go to
um i mean i experienced spiritual
healing
and i've never done it before and i've
never done it since
i mean i can tell the listeners that
story if they wish that was quite
mind-blowing yeah we definitely have a
lot of people uh
into that and as well so sure
yeah well i was brought to i was
initially would you believe i was
dedicated a methodist i was brought up
quite strict
church of england uh baptized the church
of england and then
when we moved when i was 11 years old we
moved to the new home we moved
to within about 50 yards away from the
local
uh spiritualist church and one of my
father's work colleagues went there
roped my father in and then that was it
so i was a named spiritualist as well
now as a especially as i got older as a
teenager we didn't go regularly we
weren't
sure i was teenagers we weren't church
schools you know weddings and funerals
and that sort of thing but
we didn't go every sunday and i never
went to any circles or didn't know
anything about that
so as i'm going up through my teenage
years i'm trying to find out about ufos
and read books and
get information about that on one day
i'm walking past the church to go meet
some friends
and this old guy stood outside having a
cigarette
in a brown three-piece suit and he's
just said
paul and i didn't know this guy and he
said have you got a minute
yeah i walked over to him because you
you you do expect him you do have this
trust where he
took to your elders and you thought he
was a good guy and i walked up to him
and he said
just a minute and he got this strappy
bit of paper out of his pocket
and then he wrote something on me and he
showed me and there was the three
letters ufo and he says i've just been
told my spirit
to show you this and tell you you're
thinking along the right lines
and it was like i mean i don't think i'd
even spoken a word at this point and i
was like
whoa he says i want you to go or they've
been told
you i want to go and see betty now my
father
went and spoke to him afterwards and i
spoke and he said yeah nobody
this is where she lives so i go and see
this vector and she said
she turned out to be an old medium from
the church
and she said i want you to go and see a
lady called pearl
and i can't remember a surname but she
had this surname
and i actually went to school with a
daughter now as a sort of
15 year old 16 year old this
15 16 year old girl was quite a fake
young girl
nice to look at cute girl and i'm
thinking oh this has got like this is
good
so i said yeah okay i'll go see pearl
anyway
i guess to see pearl she lived just in
the next village not far away
get the local bus service because i was
only a teenager
young go to see pearl knock on the door
and the house is in complete darkness
all the windows
all the curtains are closed and she
opens the door
and i find out that her daughter
unfortunately
wasn't going to be there following into
the house
and then it was like somebody took over
my body
i i saw the only way i can describe it
nothing bad
and i followed this burlington she
closed the door followed her into this
quite a large lounge and she'd got this
carver dining chair
upright chair in the middle of the room
and she walked straight towards it and
sat down in front of me
and it was like somebody else was inside
me moving me
and i moved straight up to the back of
her i put my hands on her shoulders
and as i put my hands on her shoulders
she starts saying a prayer
not long and then i mean if you'd have
filmed this
it was quite bizarre but i put one hand
just above the top of the head and the
other hand
up to the ceiling so i'm stood in this
weird position like
some traffic officer don't give it on
patrol giving direction traffic
with my hand just above the head and
then i felt this electrical current
physically felt it like somebody
switched the power on
and it came down from somewhere into my
arm
out through the other arm and into the
top of this pearl's head
and i physically felt it the vibration
so then as a teenager i'm thinking
i don't move i don't do anything i don't
think that
whatever spoiled what was happening and
i could feel this vibration
and then after literally only a minute
it stopped
and i physically felt it just turned on
finished
and she knew we had finished and i just
put my hands rested my hands back on the
shoulders
and then she just stood up smiling and
looked at me and she said she said
you certainly hide your light under a
bushel
and that was it then it turned out this
lady suffered with quite debilitating
migraines and had been in bed for like a
week at
a time and couldn't stand the light or
anything and she just
threw the curtains open put the kettle
on and 10 minutes later i'm walking back
out the front door thinking
what the heck just happened you know it
was and afterwards obviously
when i saw this betty afterwards it was
retrospectively
i was allowed to experience how
things should be i believe you know what
what can happen and how
we should behave and now we should be
able to understand things and it was
just i was
the conduit if you like that allowed me
to experience it
so say there's a lot more goes on than
you know about you know
yeah it was quite amazing at the time
wow
i've never done it before since wow it
seems like you would try to
you know recreate it you would try it
again you know like
um you know and so you haven't you
haven't tried it you know maybe you're
a spiritual healer and and you uh you
should do it for more people
yeah well maybe we all have this latent
ability within ourselves it's just
how to go about it i mean my wife's
quite poorly at the moment with
arthritis
but i can't just turn it on it's fine
yeah yeah yeah um
you could try you know you feel like you
know
obviously you know that's how that's how
mir that that's how miracles happen
right you feel like you were
like used for a miracle and to send and
transfer energy and
to channel that energy as well from that
source as you said the center of the
record that peace and divine love
which is everyone's connected to they
they
just don't know it or they they don't
know how to to um
receive it and so you become a channel
for that for other people
and you already do that obviously by
obviously your profession what you chose
to go into
the medical field to help people um and
then
to you know help people who are having a
hard time
understanding what's going on with
ufology and supernatural paranormal
experiences which
can marginalize you quick quickly you
you become the laughingstock you become
a black sheep you become you
called a crazy person you know people
going around telling you that
ufos telepathic telepathically
communicate with them
that you're not going to be asked to
come over to a lot of uh family
gatherings and
and and luncheons you know if that's who
you are but um but
the more we talk about the more we put
it out there it becomes more
accepted and it becomes and it creates
this ground where people feel
comfortable sharing their odd encounters
and stuff and so obviously you're that
that's a form of healing for sure that
that you're doing and i definitely
commend that and it helps
a little goes a long way too
one of the other things which many
listeners may uh
may have experienced is
being able to fly now i've done this
numerous times uh in the middle of
a dream state yeah i've been having a
lot of dreams about flying so
i want to hear this yeah and i was
flying
and i could see the frequency of
everything
yeah and when we were talking about the
magnetic frequencies earlier
and i can remember flying over this
place and
a lady had fallen and she'd hurt her
ankle
and i could see the damage on an on a
magnetic frequency sort of level
you could tell the frequency was wrong
but there were damage there
and i just went straight down to her and
because you understood
what was wrong you could just correct
the frequency and that healed
what was wrong and i can remember the
color changed
uh it was like from a blue to a purple
in her ankle
and then it because it was back normal
then i just literally
floated back up and flew away again
somewhere else
but i can remember i woke up shortly
afterwards and the
profound sense of lust that i couldn't
do that again it was like
why can't i do and it was really and i
could remember it and i can still
remember it now quite vividly yeah
and it's like why can't we do this
well maybe we can do this but just not
at the level we don't know
yeah yeah i've um i've had those dreams
you know for sure and um you know be
being able to to to at least try and
then yeah
here you are in your backyard trying to
fly you know trying to levitate like
again like you i mean you're always the
crazy person until you can do it
you know until it happens the first
person to do something
uh you know but obviously there there's
reports of you know catholic priests
who were levitating around the cities
the the movie the flying nun is
supposedly based on
a true story where the woman had such a
great faith that she would levitate when
she
got excited about her faith and so much
so that they had to tie her to a chair
and nail the chair to the floor so
there's all of these stories in
antiquity if you would but
they seem to be forgotten and you know
it's left
left to the movies and uh but i feel
like it's it
the movies contain like what's possible
like you you start seeing stuff in the
movies that that go deeper that came
from some religious text
or some ancient stories that people
think that
the script was made up by that director
or or writer but
those stories and and this the
spirituality connected with
it was embedded in some ancient holy
book somewhere
or history book that was written down
and that's the
amazing thing whenever it comes to art
and
and what's possible like that's what a
testimony is
like you know you don't know that it's
true until you see someone doing it
and now that they've done it then you
can revisit it
recreate it and teach other people how
to do it but i've definitely had those
dreams recently of
pushing energy to the to the earth and
and levitating and stuff and so
maybe it's a maybe it's an ancient
calling you know to try it
you know even when you when you're
sharing just seeing the color stuff you
know
um you know i do i do practice prayer
laying on of hands and healing and
things like that
and it just seems like a modality that
that you would want to
embrace or try if someone is having
like uh pain in their ankle like you
said
see see them as a color of healing
whatever color that is some people can
say they can see aurus and then see the
the color that's off if you can
naturally see it
spirit or spiritually see it or if you
have to imagine it
imagine the discoloration imagine it
being red
and then intuitively change that color
back to its natural state back into
alignment and resonance
with the body and you're doing it with
the imagination but you're connected
spiritually
again you never know unless you try you
know
yeah that's good very good yeah i think
that's part of the thing where
as part of our growth on a personal
level you don't remember because
you have to do it by your own effort now
and it's by
raising your vibration now and raising
the way that you think and
helping people and that's that's how
what we should be doing that's the
direction we should be going
um there's people out there i just i
like the idea but they say
in order for us to to take our place
amongst the stars and the star brothers
and the et's and that kind of thing that
the earth has to evolve to at least 51
good um and then it will be you know
majority good than is evil
i think we're i think we've surpassed
that though i think i think the majority
of people
now are more intuitive or good who
who are not trying to use and abuse
others and and what would you say is a
percentage
of the earth that that you know maybe
um personally 51
good of themselves versus the other
yeah i i think but again it depends on
personal circumstances
and whether you have the ability and the
strength within you to overcome
because we all have bad days yeah and we
all have good days
yeah and as you know in different
circumstances when you meet people in
different places that happen
and you can meet people on a good day
and be wonderful and then just get them
wrong and you know
but it's something that is exactly what
we need to do when you've said it's put
on that is
why i think we're getting more
disclosure now than we ever have
i don't ever think we'll get full
disclosure on the
uh i'm talking on the ufo from here
because
even with the latest report they've only
given us like from 2004
to 2021. so does that mean
betty and bernie hill won't take
abducted does that mean
travis walton didn't have his experience
does that mean
money zamora you know does that mean
roswell didn't happen so there's a lot
of
good cases and things that happened in
the past
uh and i think historically from
uh the destiny i'll
say i'm going to say military driven
because the military were
the people that were responsible for our
safety if you like
and because you get this national
security
you know was he under threat by
et or whatever at the end of the day
i think had national security being in
reality under threat
it would have happened years and years
and years ago and we wouldn't have had a
choice
but we everything is by personal choice
so they're just leaving a silent one if
you like
to fall foul by our own means or
get over it and improve and get over
that 51
threshold by our own means yeah if that
makes sense
and i think that's why we we will never
get
full disclosure because i believe it
happened
officially from sort of 1952 after the
washington dc sightings where they came
up with the
very bizarre explanation of uh
thermal you know
refractions and things like that and
you've got people i mean you have to
think 1952 wasn't that long after the
second world war
and you've got a lot of people around dc
that had just been demobbed
there were professional observers that
had been pilots and being one
so when these people and you got there
were hundreds of reports
of people seeing ufos over the capital
and it was like that there was no way on
godzilla
was that a temperature inversion you
know it was
something that they had to try and cover
up and because of that
i think from that moment on then we got
this
if you like aggressive debunking where
they tried to discredit people they
tried to ridicule people they tried to
make it look still
and that's why even to the today now the
mainstream media still have
this if you like end of news thing where
oh by the way they make it almost
comedic sort of
thing at the end of the news where
somebody's seen something or somebody
reported something
but having said that i believe now it's
getting more and more difficult to cover
up
because as you've seen things i've seen
things
i've got videos and photographs that
i've taken
of unusual lights in the sky and things
that happen
and because people have got now
ever better and better cameras
uh they put it on mediums put it
straight out on the internet people can
see
and they can't control it and because
the authorities
have got less and less control they've
got to sort of take the lid off the
pressure cooker as it were
and just let bits of it escape and make
people more aware
that this is happening around them
without
giving full disclosure because i don't
think we will ever have full disclosure
yeah i think they're they're just
releasing enough to say yeah we know
what's going on just so
whenever the time is right or they have
to
uh they can control the narrative they
can tell you what these things are
versus like you know you talk to enough
people now
you just start you know people will tell
you what they are versus waiting for
the government to tell you what they are
because i think they're going to say
that the opposite of what we've been
saying i think they're going to say that
there are our
enemies and they uh you know want
want to want to harm you and and those
kind of things and
um you know alien invasion that kind of
stuff
um how many so when it comes to
sightings right
and you said you had your first one at
at 11. how many do you think you've
you've had in in your lifetime
personally
uh probably i'll go somewhere between
two and three dozen
that's a lot i'd say around 30. now
would this come from stargazing and
night watching and and looking or is
this just
spur the moment hey there's one there
kind of thing
both yeah no i i always i always say
look at the sky because people don't
yeah especially with
the modern sort of world that we're
living now where people have got the
phones and they're like this and the
heads down because they're looking at
the phone and the messages
all you had to do was do this yeah
yeah because i do believe that they're
around us all the time yeah
and they do go through our frequency and
we can't see them
i've got photographs even in the middle
of the daylight
where and i'm not saying our new cell
phones are any better than anything else
and
trying to get them to focus on something
with just a bright blue background of
the night of the day
afternoon sky is very difficult you know
but i think it's something that more
people would see
if they were made more aware of it yeah
uh
and peter i'm not getting against people
because people are very materialistic
specifically just for
looking after their own family putting
meals on the table and that sort of
thing
so you become materialistically driven
because you want that nice house
you want that nice car you want that
security
and once you've got that security uh and
i think that's why you do get a lot of
more
elderly if you like investigators and
people that are willing to put the neck
out there
because they're less bothered about the
materialistic side of things
and they do have more time to ask the
questions and look at the sky and
experience and investigate the
paranormal or whatever they want to do
yeah we you know you spoke of um maybe
energy
energy centers and places that were uh
ripe
for um these type of experiences
we just me and my family took a vacation
to uh
arizona we went to sedona and uh
we went to sedona we went to monument
valley and
literally it's just like a highway i'm
looking at this
it's like there's two traveling together
there's one going in
they're like everywhere it's like how
can you
not see them the thing is you at this
point if you want to you can
yeah and literally just sit like you
said just look up
for me that was a big like awakening
or rebuke even of like you know they've
been there the whole time but i've been
focusing
on the natural and it and obviously
for me it was like a um analogy for
just for spirituality even like your
you're focusing on you know the mundane
in in in life and entertainment in your
day to day
when all you had to do was look up you
know the scriptures
are big on that just focus on the things
above look to the heavens look to the
sky
it's that simple and i started seeing so
so many
things that i feel like anybody can
now it takes time right it's not you
can't just go out there one night
hey man i looked i didn't see anything
like there could be those nights as well
but there's other nights where there's a
lot of traffic and a lot of stuff going
on
and it only takes one one phenomena for
you to see to just to blow your mind
and i've seen entire fleets have you
seen fleets like
like bunches of them so just
uh literally i can't think of the day
but
a few weeks ago we saw three
uh that appeared i saw one first and
then another one i paid at the side of
it and then another one i paid at the
side of that a little way off
and then one disappeared and another
disappeared and i just managed to get a
picture of the last one before that two
disappeared
and they were moving against the wind
too uh
but there are movements and i i'm
just changing tax slightly for me but
the movement of ufos
this is another thing that makes me
laugh uh
on the last report and they were on
about they have limited data
so they want to analyze and they want to
put more money at it and want to get
more analytics and things
but at the end of the day when you see
a ufo a lot of sightings that people
will tell you
and to say it was so bizarre it was so
odd it was so
different it couldn't have been normal
aircraft
and one of the things that i say is if
you go back to the
electromagnetic spectrum where
everything's done by thought
et could be a thousand years i mean just
look
just go back from where you were now in
alabama a hundred years ago
nobody had a car really if you went
anywhere you went on the new railroads
or if you were lucky you had a horse and
that was it and if you wanted to get a
message to anybody
then look a hundred years later here we
are
we've got our own cars very comfortable
they've got every gadget on you can
think of
ever you know we can talk to each other
instantly across
the space so imagine how far we could
move
in another hundred years well we're
talking
et that may be thousands of years in
front of us
so it's perfectly plausible for the
doubters out there
that they can not only control the
magnetic spectrum as i've said
but being able to control it and
manipulate it and use it every day like
they do
so again with the people
and experiences that we've had and
investigators
they often will say everything was done
by thought
so if something is controlled by thought
it's instant so if you suddenly wanted
to go down to the
down to gulf breeze on holiday you'll
think a gold breeze
boom you're there there's no physics
behind it
because that's our physics and you get
they make me laugh when you get these
people and
they drag these scientists out the
woodwork and these other people that say
well there were no flight surfaces and
there was no heat plume and there was no
rubbish they're not using our physics
it's a complete thing they're completely
isolated they're
in their own little pockets of energy
their own little pockets of universe if
you like
so they just think it and they go
there's no such thing as speed
there's no such thing as g-force to them
that's how
we perceive it so that's why they make
these bizarre movements
why they can stop suddenly why they can
suddenly go 10 000 miles an hour
by because suddenly they can go through
space they can go through
a normal atmosphere they go through the
lakes and the oceans
because it's irrelevant to them they're
not they're not there they're
in their own little pockets of energy so
they're not moving
it's only us that sees that movement
through our
piece of it if you like but they're not
moving they don't feel anything
that's interesting um you know there's a
growing movement in
you know the metaphysic community and
spiritual community
where you have a lot of people who are
teaching the um
the science behind um neurochemistry and
manifestation and how to heal yourself
with the mind and
affirmations and things like that um
when it comes
when it comes to manifestation it's a
huge topic right now and
you know manifesting your reality
whatever you
believe in will show itself to you
you'll start to see it
if you speak it out write it down and
then there's
there's this manifestation that happens
and the the thing about it i believe in
100
right and there's different levels to it
there's
the thing i don't i don't understand is
the time like
sometimes uh there's instant like you
put a thought out there
you speak it into existence and then you
get a phone call the same thing that you
spoke
like shows itself to you the same day
other times it's
a couple weeks a couple years i don't
know if there's things that are harder
or
or you know more things have to actually
line up to bring it into
our reality and you use the mind you use
thoughts to do that and it almost seems
like
the et's have mastered
this manifestation through thoughts that
yes you can you can travel
by thought you can you can create
something a flower
an apple anything as long as you know
what it is you can create it
by thought um it's you know it's
very interesting to think that if it's
even people think that et's
are us from you know uh come back up
you know thousands or millions of years
and so
you know mastering manifestation
you know by by thought which is an
interesting uh you know
uh topic to think about
yeah i mean i agree and if you think
about it we're going back to the
electromagnetic spectrum and
having their 95 percent on top of our 5
but completely being able to understand
it and use it and control it
it's just therefore it's like now we get
these
uh as another example the power of
positive thinking
people with that and you manifest what
you think you know it's the way and the
intention behind your thoughts
so you get negative people will have
negative i mean i've got a neighbor
that's so negative
and she has so much bad luck and it's
like yeah because that's what you're
putting out there so that's where you're
going to get back
yeah be good be positive be happy and
that's what you'll get back
it's so simple but it's getting
to the stage where you can control that
yourself from
how you think and how you know how you
conduct your life
you know yeah um well you know we talk
about
healing and and spirituality and all
that connected
with ufology when we think about et as
in the movie et
like e.t was a healer like he had this
ability for his finger to light up and
and heal
people's wounds and scars and things so
you know that's that's interesting too
we're talking about being able to heal
people
and and tap it into that that ability
yeah everything is energy so everything
is possible
it's just being able to control the
energy yeah
yeah and do you think
you think you do that with the thoughts
or it's thoughts and intention
and then i feel like there's i feel like
there's a connection though with like
being able to push and pull
energy with our with our hands and
things as well
um versus you know a release
uh the power of the breath speaking it
in those affirmations
because it's one thing just to think
positive thoughts it's another thing to
to speak positive uh thoughts and
affirmations as well it's it
it almost uh either amplifies it or
creates it with the breath
you know the the bible talks about the
power of the breath and god spoke things
into existence and
spoke this and that and this universe
and planets and situations and so
we're kind of tapping into that same
energy like once you have the idea
now speak it out not add breath to it to
bring it into this reality
so what you're doing if you think about
it then you're putting the intention
behind it
but you're also putting with the breath
and the other things it's giving power
to it by giving
a different frequency so you're giving
it more energy
i mean i'm no expert believe me
but it's just over time these things do
come together and they do shape your
thoughts and your ideas and how things
move together
and there are people out there that know
far more than i do
but it's it's just getting it all
together to get into a bigger picture
that people can understand
and get handle on and say yeah that
works you know
yeah and like i said the more people
share their stories and what's working
as long as they're honest
with what's working and what's not
working and we're getting a lot of that
you just hold
on to all the stuff that works even from
you know religious tradition like the
stuff that works
in your religion like i'm gonna i'm
gonna try that i'm gonna hang on to that
i'm gonna hang on to this from
from over here in this tradition and um
and and find out what's helping people
and what's serving people
versus dogma and all that kind of stuff
and um
and people people are advancing people
are learning becoming more spiritual be
becoming more attuned and um
and more i think i say more loving more
tolerant you know other beliefs and
and all of this and so all of that is us
moving in the right direction to
what people would call ascension you
know we have to ascend we have to reach
a new level of consciousness which is a
level of love you know
yep i agree one hundred percent awesome
well paul man i enjoyed this talk uh so
much i'm glad that that we were
connected
um we have to do it again um go ahead
and let people know where they can they
can follow your work and check out your
book
that that you wrote on this the subject
and uh where they can
follow your work at sure well there you
go
can the guys see that yep ufos
the real story by paul askoff
there you go and it's available on
amazon uh
hardback paperback ebook or
audible uh and it's
there are uh i've got um a small
facebook page
called it's the real story where
when i put my sightings on and
photographs i've taken and
people ask me questions on there and
i'll put things on
it's just some way of keeping within
the ufo community and adding my two
pennies you know and keep putting my
bits in there and
but there are some brilliant people and
some grilling authors and it's just a
case of adding to it and eventually
we'll get there
that's awesome thank you so much for
what you're doing again
i enjoyed this talk and uh anytime you
want to come back on brother just let me
know
thank you thank you for having me all
right many blessings
paul ask off ladies and gentlemen um
it's the subject people are looking into
people are asking questions people
are uh being open and honest about their
stories and and i mean what more can you
ask for right
uh for people to share you know the
things that are working for them and
and uh not suppressing it not
suppressing it but
sharing it openly with people and so
again
all of my shows on on ufology are are
topping the charts right now and getting
the most views in the most
streams um every day so
i'm excited whenever we we talk about
this topic it's very near and dear to my
heart
and more people are getting into it for
for many people it it the it's connected
to spirituality
right the ufo phenomena for many people
it's their
initiation you have a sighting and then
it opens up so much
uh so many more questions you begin to
ask the deeper questions
you know i remember having um dr michael
heiser
on the show years ago and he's a
biblical scholar
and but he's into ufology and he's
breaking down the bible and has some
beautiful
stuff on on the gods of the bible and
breaking down words and spirituality in
the bible but
one of his big things is ufos and the
ufo phenomena
and breaking it down from a biblical
perspective and i had them on and i
asked them i said you know why do you
you know being a biblical scholar why
are you going to like all of these ufo
conferences and
presenting your work there versus going
to the churches and doing it you know
where like your main audience
uh you know is and at the time he said
it was because
those people who are going to those ufo
conferences and listening to those
podcasts they are
already asking the bigger questions
and so if i was to go to church and
start talking about ufos at the time
most people you know call you a quack or
they don't want to hear it or they're
not open
for that type of discussion and dialogue
so he found that in in ufology in the
spiritual community they're already
open to asking the bigger questions
and so he found his home there but i say
now
christianity's changing for sure as far
as being
open for the conversation um you
there's a lot of this going on in the
churches now where they're talking about
it and someone like
dr michael heiser is is doing a lot more
stuff in churches and myself
being embraced more these days uh in the
churches and the stuff that i've been
bringing to the table for years it
hasn't switched up but like the church
has kind of evolved and caught up
to begin to ask these questions and they
had to
if you don't you'll get left behind and
so um
but but i will say that when it comes to
ufology uh
the majority of christendom the majority
of of
researchers will say hands down that
ufos are demonic and ufos are actual
uh demons that want to possess you and
they fly around in little ships that you
know
however they got them and they uh and
they abduct people but
that's the difference within you know
christendom and
not having a a biased standpoint but
just being
open for the information and so that was
one thing that i was able to appreciate
because when i
really got into ufology it was
definitely
hours and hours and hours of listen
listening to christians
across the board say that their demons
their demons their demons
and then i would find weird scriptures
and i would find different testimonies
where people were having beautiful
encounters and it sounded angelic
it's like hold on these could they be
angels and i would hear some people
allude to some stuff where maybe it
could be
and then i just began to open up and
listen to people who
i felt weren't biased and it was just
people who didn't have some type of
agenda
or something to prove and um that's when
stuff started connecting for me and i
started having my own
experiences so you have to be open
you know you have to be open for it and
um and even now again with
the churches are saying uh a lot more
and embracing the conversation
i've seen a lot on tick tock all of
these you know the government is
is coming clear about ufos but
these things are interdimensional in
demons
and are like oh these christians are
like pushing this fear
you know narrative and agenda and
that's totally not the case again though
just like we said the power of the mind
the power of thought
whatever you believe will show itself to
you and you begin to find connections
and synchronicities
all about these demons that fly around
in spacecraft
you begin to watch those movies you
begin to be led to those type of
podcasts
and even books and you fill your mind
and your imagination with
this agenda right and uh and you become
biased
you have a preconceived notion versus
just looking at
all of the information and then make an
assessment
i'm big on that right now um where
people
will will just listen to one side of
a preacher or a sermon that says stay
away from this
it's really big right now when we talk
about the kundalini you know and that's
that's kind of a buzz word and a scary
word for many christians
the kundalini's a demon spirit as well
you know
everything is a demon marine demons
there's demons that live in the ocean
like everything's demonic and it's
selling right now
because people are scared you know i
don't it's crazy
but i don't believe in it but it's
selling so
um you have to when it comes to research
you gotta research both sides listen i'm
cool with you listening to your pastor
and
listen reading the christian authors who
say all all ufos and
experiences are demonic and demons and
they want to abduct you and kidnap you
fine like that's cool if you listen to
that
but you have to go to the source you
have to go to the other
other side of the research i i use
you know many authors that people just
demonize
because of one quote and i've been
talking about this blavatsky or manley p
hall
who have some pretty um you know far out
uh writings that that can be scary if if
taken out of context
and i've noticed a lot of people
including myself would like take them
out of
context and judge their entire catalog
on like one sentence one sentence
and even taking it out of context and
i've seen
people who have lashed out at me about
what so-and-so believes
so because they even if they did believe
it and it's
you know whatever like you just gonna uh
discredit their entire catalog of work
and what in the good and the beauty that
they've brought to the table because
something scared you
and blavatsky for me was a um
a perfect scenario just because i even
judged her
or she's this be careful she's a
charlatan she was a satanist you hear
all kind of weird stuff
and at the same time she's really none
of those you know what i'm saying so
for me being able to go back to her work
recently
um and read it for the first time like
to to make an assessment on on somebody
that i've
never read their work i never really
read
blavatsky's work i may have seen some
stuff online i may have watched a couple
documentaries
see what other people have said people
trying to expose her stay away
and all this kind of stuff get a book
and read the book
make an assessment you got to
everybody's
like again with the kundalini
conversation like
people are listening to these pastors in
these
you know demonologists on youtube
telling you what the kundalini is and
what it is and why you should be afraid
and you stare stay away from yoga
because yoga is going to get you
possessed by
an eastern demon that masquerades as the
holy spirit
and tricks people um called the
kundalini and it is like just like
agreed upon doctrine now
and uh and and they asked me what do you
think i can give you my opinion
and what i think and but you need to
look up their teachings like go to some
you know people who practice kundalini
yoga and see what they say
no they're just gonna lie to you they're
gonna they don't know what it is because
the truth behind it is the demons
man you're already setting yourself up
for failure
you're just judging everything
finger-pointing
if you're gonna listen to your pastor
who tells you hands down that this is
what it is
and you just believe it because he's
done his research
he used to be a yoga instructor and now
he's not
because of jesus like you got to go to
somebody who's for it
read both sides man i cannot stress that
enough
talk to the person figure out what they
believe ask
them what they believe ask them what
they believe
and they'll probably tell you you know
i'm gonna jump to uh
the chat here um stargate says there's a
demon in
every bush yeah demon in every bush
is popular it's tempting to even get
into it
you know i love demonology i believe in
lower level entities and all that but
about here scaring folks and talking
about and making the folks are making up
demons they're making up stuff now
the marine demons bob larson
just put out a video marine demons
heard a guy do a teaching on how uh the
waters are demonic and how god like
all the fish and the grotesque beings
and monsters and demons are in the water
and they're marine demons and and
mermaid demons and
it's all kind of just weird stuff that
you're making up
you really ain't got no biblical proof
for it and you really ain't got no
ancient proof for it
out of any text that there's demons like
you know
like all the fish are demonic and demons
are in the is this craziness
but it sells man you got to make it up
you got to have a gimmick you got to
keep making it up so you can
you can win the people you can't give
them something that they can trace back
because they can
you know see that you're lying valerie
ford
says you were speaking of healing i saw
a reiki
massage done on a person with aids that
couldn't have a regular massage because
of
clotting this man was pale before the
reiki was administered
when they were done he was flushed and
sweating red
they never touched this body it was
something i've never seen before
it was truly amazing yeah you can push
and pull energy
you know the laying on of hands i feel
in in the biblical setting should even
be done with pushing and pulling energy
you know not to just put your hand on
and ask for a healing ask for angelic
assistance yes but
for you to be trained in and what it
feels like to push and pull
uh with the laying on of hands and
pulling sickness out of somebody
pulling um you know sending
positive energy and not just in a prayer
but
you know connecting the imagination and
with your heart center
pushing and pulling even with the breath
like i've seen it done with the breath
like
like sucking energy out of people just
by putting your hands on
them and breathing into it like and
seeing people get healed seeing people
manifest
like spirits off of them that that were
you know hurting them and i tap into the
to the movies this stuff's
in all the movies they didn't make it up
like this stuff is
is out there you know
paul wilcox says ufo and occupants
come from both higher and lower realms
just like good people
good people and bad people
phyllis says i ain't scared open up have
no fear
people are going to judge what they
don't understand so stop judging
love what you're saying i hate that
everything is a demon yeah
you know and it just sucks that it's the
church that you know they demonize
everything that they don't understand
you know anything new or anything that
isn't biblical
like or have a biblical reference so you
just gotta use
biblical reference with them you know
everyone has a gimmick look at the heart
and the intent don't be so spiritual you
have no common sense
yep i agree
so hope you guys enjoyed this talk
i love hearing these stories and and
the more people we talk to the more
closer we come to the truth
everyone has a piece of the puzzle i
think majority wins
once you start asking people these
questions
and they share it
and they don't have nothing to prove
it's just what it is it is what it is
take it or leave it
judge me laugh i don't care let your
freak flag fly it is what it is
thank you guys for hanging out um
tonight we're going to be doing the
school of the mystics and tonight's
going to be fun i've got a beautiful
idea that i've been wanting to do
and we're going to try it out for the
first time we're going to be doing seer
training
um we're going to talk about the seer
realm
and how to see in the spirit how to
activate the spirit realm and how to see
uh through personas
and there is a technique that um i want
to
do tonight with the community so if you
want to be a part of that
uh sign up on the patreon and you'll get
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so um really looking forward to doing
that tonight we go through courses
together
again we do open dialogue prayer
meditation breath work all that
but tonight i want to focus on
doing a collective on how to see how to
see past personas
amanda p says demons make money i can't
tell you how many people i see offering
to deliver
you from evil for a fee yeah it is it's
strange like um
you know finding finding balance in that
you know
and uh and whether it's you know
charging to
to deliver somebody versus telling you
like
um you that
you just got to stay bound up that you
can't get delivered
um unless you pay um
so i i get a lot of those those emails
and stuff and and people want to do
sessions i offer one-on-one sessions
for people for counseling for training
um
you know if it is deliverance um it
hasn't been much deliverance lately but
we also you know offer free stuff and
that's what i tell people make sure that
you know you have something for free
that you're offering if you are
going to be charging for something um
all the information is out there they
have to just catch it on a live stream
or
or whatever so that's one thing about it
but yeah the
the demon thing is very strange it's
more it's more popular in christendom
than angels are
and there should be less demons than
there are angels right if a third of
what it was a third of the the angels uh
fell
and became fallen angels and demons or
whatever like there was more that didn't
fall and didn't leave their uh first
estate
and and choose wickedness so why all the
talk about these
lesser beings in these lesser
experiences when
we should be talking about the angelic
and so that's one thing that like
even in the church settings if you talk
about demons
like more people are prone to believe
you and yeah i've had those encounters
too
but when you talk about the angelic
there's a little bit of
uh people being hesitant and uh and
maybe not believing you
um when that should be more so people
are looking for demons
behind every corner um in in every bush
versus looking at the angelic and
working with the angels versus
seeing and working with demons whether
it's casting them out or seeing a
scene like if you could see a demon in a
video game if you could see a demon in a
movie
if you could see a demon here a demon
there listen you need to train yourself
to be able to see an angel in it too
because there's more like see an angel
in the video game how many
how many how much of that conversation
have we had
like see an angel in a book or see an
angel here and an angel and that you've
trained yourself
to spot demons everywhere and if there's
not one you assign
one to it you're assigning demons to
stuff
to people he got a demon there's a demon
on that guy for sure
i listened to his podcast i read his
book he's got a demon like
what okay cool we might it might be a
on everybody's shoulder but there's an
angel too
train yourself to see the good train
yourself to see the angels
that's what we're doing tonight we're
going to train ourselves to see
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patreon.com backslash truth
seeker sign up you'll get a link to join
um
all the every little bit helps for all
the uh the community that we have there
so thank you guys for
hanging out with me really enjoyed it
we'll do it again very soon shalom
shalom peace
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