Sevin Duce of Hog Mob | Ministry, Backbiting and Sanctification
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talk a little bit to seven-deuce from
hog-wild ministries brother what's going
on man welcome to the show man was my
band appreciate y'all sure dude for sure
man
always like you know we're just getting
just our first I'm talking I'm friends
with seven and built with him and I you
know I'll do the ministry website and
stuff and I build with people before we
go live but then we started getting into
some juicy stuff and we start talking
and I'm always got to do that let's just
save it for the air because it'll be
good first of all I wanted I want to go
into that story but just for just for
people who don't know who you are let's
just start just tell people who you are
then we'll get into that in a minute man
so just let people know who you are
would you break through the table right
quick man seven dos Minister had a
gospel of Jesus Christ first and
foremost a leader within the ministry to
hog my ministries I lead pray for my
hood ministries we go across the United
States into the poverty-stricken
communities and basically just teach
them about the gospel of Jesus Christ I
also do music as well but I always make
sure that I let everybody know that's
secondary to me being a minister because
I want to make sure individuals know
what my true passion is my true passion
is to teach the gospel to preach the
gospel to go back into the same
neighborhoods where I've came from and
seeds that are planted that were poison
and go back and teach them how we were
deceived by the lies of the devil and
just a cult that we were wrapped up in
not understand
and not being taught correctly by the
individuals who came up before us and I
can't necessarily blame them because
they was lost as well but just going
back and trying to give the awareness of
the true cure to what we had going on in
the problem within the community is the
gospel of Jesus Christ that's what's
missing that's powerful man um just a
little bit more about your story your
background man even for me because I
know a little bit you know sevens been
in this thing for a while right seven
season like he got you know the scars to
prove it
how long have you been walking with the
Lord man I've been walking with the Lord
for ten years okay um I'd say look about
about 11 years but I can be honest and
transparent that I didn't truly fully
submit my life on to the Lord and tell
about man I'd say about six years ago
God gave me a fear a fear that produced
a love for him that I that I can
honestly say that I had at first when
you first get you come to salvation you
got the fire lit um but just like any
new believer I was running thinking this
thing was a race when really this is a
walk and I begin to fall and stumble
over my own arrogant way as a feeling
like I can do things on my own accord
without Christ being the center of it
and I begin to fall short in certain
areas um I begin to I begin to blame God
in a sense for certain things that I was
doing in my own life until I truly
learned that a lot of the situation's I
had going on with in my life financially
uh you know just being submitted to the
Lord and all these things I had a faith
issue and I didn't realize it until God
woke me up one day out of my sleep and
gave me a vision of if I kept playing
with him that I was gonna serve life in
the penitentiary and I was gonna be a
minister and serve him in near prevent
evil and he wasn't going to take my life
because that was the easy way out and
that's what I wanted at that time so it
produced a fear that produced a love
like I don't know
sin against God because I'm just afraid
of Hell no I don't sin against
and do things beyond of what his calling
is for my life because I'm obedient and
I love that he has saved me from
condemnation and from burning inhales
flying for eternity like I got a love
for him for that so I don't go against
the grand anymore like I used to before
I had that fear to produce the love yeah
that's good that's what they call
holiness huh hello you feel me holiness
sanctification that process man is like
just walking in that attitude of
gratitude every day and they say I've
been you know talk every time I pray man
I just I have this thing I just I think
the Lord for my breath that I'm still
I'm here I'm able to claim myself and I
think for my heartbeat you know I did I
just move out to other things like
people's I ain't got nothing to be
thankful for let's start here you're
alive you like it you're not always cool
cat say that every day well God is a
good day you know it really it is like
we're still here man we can make an
impact we can change our lives and
change people around us too you know we
can get it right and it's a blessing man
because we should we should be gone
right or just think like that earlier
like looking back over your life like
how many times like you should have been
gone you should have been shot up you
should have been messed up in a bad dope
deal or a gang-related incident like
there's probably a bunch or like doing
drugs and like taking too much or
whatever the case is and we're still
here
he's got a plan and a purpose for us man
you understand that do you think about
that often cuz I know you're still in
that culture like when you you see
yourself in other people and you're just
like man you just just that gratitude
like Lord thank you man for what you did
you know man I do see I do all the time
and the reason why is because I still go
back into the same neighborhood that I
used to be a gang member and I preach
the gospel to the younger generation on
top of the older generation that was
before me because they seen the impact
of the Holy Spirit
once I've been truly taken under by the
salvation of Jesus so I see it in a lot
of the times and a lot of the times when
I preach the gospel to them some of the
individuals that watch me grow up they
look at my life as if they can still
Dibble and dabble in certain things and
God is gonna rescue him in the time of
the need and I had to teach them about
when he comes to his mercy His grace and
even the favor that he shows upon
certain individuals lives
isn't given to all of us like that it's
not guaranteed to every single one of us
so we have to take heed to when we are
truly like falling short and then it
being a struggle and it being something
that's self-indulgence so that's
something I also try to teach on when I
see myself before I was saved and a lot
of individuals and I and it makes me
sick because they don't know like what
they're playing with like and and to
teach them with their plan with a lot of
the times when they take it for granted
I just gotta keep them in prayer because
I'm like Lord me and my wife was talking
about this when you talk about Lord
let's show we'll be done we don't
necessarily understand what we ask them
for sometimes because God's will for our
life maybe some trials and tribulations
that we may not even be ready for but he
knows we are but we may not be ready for
that Thomas we're not right with you
yeah just dude I've been so deep in it I
do just that's everything if that is
everything it really is like even
recently that my view of this uh the
baptism of fire he said I'm coming to
baptize you with the Holy Ghost and fire
and I love I love the fire of his
presence man it's a cleansing fire it
washes out all the bad that we've ever
done it's a euphoria says his love you
can feel his love man and it's a it's a
fervent heat it's beautiful
but I used to think that that was like
the baptism of fire and it may be that
may be the initial baptism right but
like you're signing up to die like
you're signing up to because the old you
died in the water and in in the baptism
of fire is going through these trials
and being tried with fire so that you
can be refined in the refiners fire and
all the impurities come out and he is
the author and finisher of your faith
he's got this stuff scripted out man
it's so he knew about it all now a lot
of its hindsight for us right so now we
have like a frame of reference like man
Lord I see what she was doing he was
trying to break me down you were trying
to get me humble you're trying to put a
natural empathy within me so that I
would care about these people around me
right or would all care for the people
who are broken
care for the fatherless or whatever
right so you don't have to act like it
like we're going through these trials
and tribulations that are like the
testing to prove that that we love them
because we all love them on a
mountaintop thank you lord my bank
account sitting right I got food a cease
working you know let the AC break when
it's hot outside it's a lot some of you
love him you know what I'm saying like
what what's going on god I ain't got the
money to fix it like it's been there
done that that's really are you prepared
for the long suffering that comes along
with signing up to serve Him like that's
what I think I don't think people
understand that and a lot of the times
when new converts come to come to
Christianity I feel that they should be
that should be expressed to them from
the game that's a lot of the reason why
you got these new converts straying away
from the faith is because they ain't
been told the true gospel mm-hmm ain't
been told how hard this is really about
to be for them but it's gonna be worth
it they ain't been told about the trying
tolerance when they got a truly draw
their whole strength from Jesus through
everything they're going through and
going through these storms and these
trials and tribulations and being able
to worship Him at the lowest because
there are certain things that Christ can
only teach him from Pete's teach him
from being at the bottom yeah and we got
to be humbled at Tom's to be at the
bottom because he we wouldn't be able to
learn or get exalted into that next
level or that new season if we wasn't at
the bottom he can't show us from the
mountaintop we gotta get to the bottom
and so I truly think that that's a lot
of the thing that we go through nowadays
is when people are being you know coming
to Christianity they begin to blame God
because the flaws in a human being like
people always tell me their church hurt
I'm like no the true church didn't hurt
you it was a flawed human being who did
stop blaming God yeah that's how sinful
our flesh is is our flesh is looking for
a reason to stray away from God so we
begin to try to say it was the church
that hurt us or we've been lied to and
that's why anytime I preach the gospel
to an individual I'll give them know the
reality of it like this is gonna be the
best thing that ever happened to you but
you have to go through more storms and
trials and tribulations than you've ever
had in your life yeah and God is gonna
walk you through every one and
the analogy I get from a storm the day
after the storm is the most beautifulest
day everything's clear all the dirts
been washed away all the smog out of the
air like everything is beautiful but it
took a storm to bring that beauty yeah
yeah that's demon just I've been in it
you know just in the woods the scripture
talks about to know him in his suffering
right to know him in that but also to
know him in his resurrection power you
can't have one without the other
that's like when when you face this test
that's the only thing that proves your
face it's going through it and being
tested because your faith is tested the
people say they believe this and they
believe that time will tell God will
tell what you truly believe you know I'm
saying for real it's good man he knows
what he's doing
I trust him you know saying even though
like I don't understand it I'm trying to
understand it right and but who can't
understand it but I'm trying to see them
cuz it's like it's like repetition you
know what I've been through this before
I know not to freak out and I know to
respond with love right and I'll pass
the test and those are like the to trust
me and respond with love well I want to
lash out on these people no trust me
respond to love I want to give him a
piece of my mind because I ain't I'm not
a punk no I got this I'm your other
vengeance is mine let me do it I could
do what do it way better than you okay I
trust your Lord and like you passed the
test and you get promoted like man
that's his new glory man okay now he
could trust you with more or come and
give you more there were some things
that you had to get rid of in that in
those Valley seasons that you wouldn't
have been able to deal with on a
mountaintop so these new levels man and
I'm just able to step back and see my
life and try to help other people see
that that sanctification process man you
know praise God praise God
definitely man I learned to stop asking
why and just asking him for the lesson
alright Lord I ain't gonna ask you why
anymore but what is the reason I mean I
want to learn I want to learn while I'm
here I want to make sure that I've
served you correctly and even through
the long suffering we don't understand
how much when we're going through long
suffering and worship and God how much
that worship that he respects because
it's like that's what he did for us that
long
for him when he was on the crack but he
suffered long for us man so please even
go through it a little bit and not even
understand and what we don't understand
is everything we did weed when we were
enemies of him bro what we have right
now we're blessed we deserved hail we
deserve death so for us to even go
through a storm we still blessed praise
God and that's the thing I I'm thankful
for now instead of asking why I'm just
like alright Lord what are you trying to
teach me and what do I need that goal
where do feelings come into play right
cuz they change feelings change from day
to day like I so I just released this
book went to the Amazons bestseller
I was like hi like in the spirit man
about everybody's reaching out man I got
a book got a book and then just the
numbers are going up and I'm excited
that it's getting out there because it's
being well received I'm like I just
dropped this new book I've been working
hard I'm happy this is out I got some
people I got to meet Brian Head well so
I'm happy like you I've been looking up
to that guy for years like and I'm in
and I mean just in this beautiful place
but I know they're like how you feeling
like man I feel good and I know it and
I'm good but tomorrow this is gonna go
this would be gone tomorrow you know
it's a part of who I am but you know we
got to be able to know who we are
regardless of celebrity or regardless of
accolade or regardless of the applause
of men right cuz that ain't gonna be
with you in the valley that leaves you
the same men that praise you begin to
persecute you the same men who like a
lord
I'll never deny you yes you will no I
won't I never do it and then you up
there on the cross when you need the
people the most then all your friends
are gone like we all that's the we carry
in that cross we have to die and go
through that death man but what about
feelings how do feelings come into play
versus faith man you know cuz we ain't
like I think feelings are legit like you
know we feel good and you know yes
definitely um I would say it's such a
thin line when you understand what it
when it comes to being able to not lean
on your own understanding or your
emotions because at the end of the day
if you truly are leaning
them fillings there's gonna be times
like you said this feeling I'm feeling
now about being happy and I'm juiced and
No thank God man this was a blessing you
know that you you know this is book
selling this and that let that's a dope
and all that's cool but what if
everything changes tomorrow I'm saying
and you get some bad news that a
relative had passed away or you know and
all of these things are you gonna be
able to rejoice and have faith in Christ
that he has this all drawn out for you
and understanding his process because
I'll be real one thing I've learned as a
leader is being above reproach is not
just when it comes to people looking at
you for saying it's coming to looking at
you when they can look at you through
the storm you go through to where people
draw from the faith that you have during
that storm
it's no powerful man so sort of emotion
side of things if I were to allow my
emotions to get involved with certain
things I go through my brothers within
the faith or even my sisters or my wife
or my children may look at me and begin
to doubt God and his promise that he
promised us that he'll never forsake us
no and that's why I say when it comes to
emotions and feelings being involved we
have to truly rejoice in the sunshine
and when we are in the mountaintop now
we got a rejoice even when we at the
bottom and we go into a storm because we
don't know who's watching and God gave
me a good revelation I go across the
United States and a lot of people you
know they're recognizing me now they're
like eh you so-and-so view view from hog
mom it's a blessing which I'll do and I
gotta continue to make sure that I
always humble myself and I'll make sure
that I check my ego because the only
reason that I was even exalted to the
position I'm in is not for me to be
recognized it's for them to recognize
Jesus and the Holy Spirit that dwells
inside of me and for me to redirect the
same attention that they're trying to
get me back to the gospel of Jesus
Christ it's to make him famous
so it's like you know I truly just take
heed when it comes to their emotions
because they're dangerous if you take if
you partake in a
too long because if you get a high like
you were saying like a spiritual high
and then you go through another
situation and you don't necessarily have
that feeling you begin to get in a place
where you like man lord
what happened like I'm out right would
you like like we got a [Â __Â ] up surprised
when the Holy Spirit is working through
us the way he does at times yeah and I
think that's a good way to look at
emotions there's a lot of the times the
emotions can get involved but what your
true motives like you know I'm saying
which are true motive with this and are
you keeping your emotions in control
because then if you allow them to get in
the way if you don't get the reaction
that your flesh is desiring at times you
begin to look at God like man lord what
a widow what did I do wrong
oh you did nothing wrong son praise God
you can say I did exactly what you're
supposed to do and you just started was
supposed to be your way yeah thought
that I was gonna I was gonna ordain it
in the way you thought of we're gonna
have young-sam like I go through it a
lot but I'll put in a lot of work and
certain things and my flesh desires a
return out of things yeah and when I
don't get them at times I got a check my
flesh because my flesh is like man I put
all this work in and no one even cares
and the Lord's life are you seeking
man's approval or a mile fruit yeah I'm
saying so that's what's this about
emotions but they're natural we all go
through smile yeah yeah and be uh be
present with him let people know cuz
like you know the Christian thing you
always gotta be happy you don't saying
like it's so funny like when I was like
doing a lot of ministry in the in the
buildings church buildings right I was a
leader in there and so they would you
know want me to pray for people and work
with people stuff like that so there was
this weird thing that built up maybe it
was a little bit of pride but I knew
that I was a leader so like I've kind of
felt like I couldn't show my weakness I
couldn't show that like I need it like
that I was broken or I was struggling
with something like because I had to be
the one to minister or whatever and it
was so weird that it was almost like
this facade that it was kind of unspoken
though nobody told me this this is this
kind of
with it I'm a leader I'm strong strong
in the Lord I've been doing this for
years and then so when it's time for
prayer now I'm good I'll be the one to
pray or whatever do what you got to do
man up whatever but um you we listen to
all these Christian music Christians
worship songs on the radio we read this
The Book of Psalms and they're all about
broken people crying out and why the
hell am I trying to act like I got it
all figured out when we're supposed to
be broken man like we're supposed to be
that place of desperation daily not like
like you know I needed Jesus back when I
got born again in 98 like I need them
just as much today as I needed him in 98
when I was going through my stuff
you feel me and just to be present in
that and just to be okay with being
broken or being okay with not having it
all figured out because we're going
through this together
authenticity is crazy bro it is so it
sets people free you know especially
when there's a leader someone like you
guys who are being opening and authentic
with your feelings yeah I don't feel
good today and you know I'm will go you
know and just just like what it is
because you're not like on this but you
you you you step you're on a pedestal
you can't help it but you step down to
be with the people like Jesus they're
right guaranteed and and I've gone to a
show to where I was going through some
of the most trying his times within this
season and I jumped off there and was
transparent and allowed them to see a
side of me that was vulnerable so that I
could truly do what the Lord was telling
me to do and like you say what the
authenticity is that I want individuals
to know Brett I'm an average human being
I'm a man of God this floor I serve a
perfect God but I am imperfect within my
flesh and I'm going through some things
today that my flesh didn't want me to
jump up here and preach the gospel I my
flesh and every circumstance was trying
to give me a reason why I need to tap
out today but I got up here because
there's a bigger picture mm-hmm it's my
vulnerability of through me being honest
and transparent with my struggles with
y'all we're gonna pick up this cross
together and we gonna walk this thing
out and fight this bad
together because there's somebody else
out here this month with similar
circumstance they showed up today you
know I'm saying we don't understand
through the power of Christ and when we
go and be honest and transparent with
individuals how much the God and the
Holy Spirit would use that to break
chains and set individuals free from the
bondage they're attractive yeah yeah
it's so it's powerful dude and I found a
lot of breakthrough when I when I just
begin to be authentic you know that hey
I don't have it all figured out because
even a Christianity like there's this
facade that you got to have it all
figured out like all the doctrine you
got to have an answer you got to be able
to prove other people wrong you know I'm
saying you got a bit of wind people over
out of other faiths or lie bro I just
don't know I do know this though that he
loves you so much you know I'm saying
you'd know what you know but to be it's
okay not to know it's it's okay to not
have it all figured out like you know in
Chris and Chris in the rich like it was
I don't even know it's like nobody ever
told me they have told me because you
got to be able to give a man an answer
and you know so we made sure we had to
study be able to break it down for
people but there's some stuff like we
just don't know man and it's okay to be
to be to not lie about it make because I
know people who make stuff up and they
don't really know but this what they
heard or does they read it in one
scripture and they came back and I'm
nowhere I'm a yeah I think this is it
but you could thank all you want but
like knowing there's just these weird
like superheroes of characters that we
assimilate to man and in Christendom and
it's not real you know no innate and in
essence it's disrespectful to why God is
who he is in our lives for sure needed
we we knew everything and we had
everything figured out there would be no
reason for his sacrifice on the cross
like and that's what we gotta understand
when it comes to like you say it I get
sometimes when people ask me crazy
questions and I'll be like you know what
I don't have a correct answer for you
but instead of telling you a lie how
about you give me you know saying a day
or two let me study let me let me ask
some individuals because this is my
thing I'm gonna be held accountable
for whatever answer I give mm-hmm by the
Lord so if it's not right or I don't
know I don't want to try to manipulate
and take the scripture out of context
because then now I'm gonna be held
accountable for my actions
so I think that's the problem is
everybody wants to give an answer but is
it the right answer and are you willing
to lie and take yourself out of the
realm of being the man of God that God
chose you to be and then you're gonna be
held accountable if you lead someone as
straight within the conversation so at
the end of the day like that's something
always take heed to like if I don't know
I have no I have I'm not ashamed to be
like hey I don't necessarily know that
ain't studied hard enough on it but give
me some time I might get back with you
or we can you know we can dialogue some
movie can debate whatever you may want
to do within the conversation what
you're searching for but I I don't have
an answer for you mm-hmm I think there's
a you know again you know being
authentic but there's a vulnerability in
that to be vulnerable it's like I don't
he knows though the most high note so we
can go to him together you know and I
mean we've heard that through prayers
look I don't know what you're going
through but he knows and that's the
truth at the end of the day no matter
what somebody's going through whether
its belief system whatever like he knows
man he'd been through it all and that
was part of me like when I would pray
for healing and stuff like I would
always imagine him on the cross like
whether it was like a headache because I
somebody got a bad headache we pray
father released a headache and we see
you know you board this on the cross I
literally when he was on the cross he
had a headache right and just to see it
identify to him he knows but he knows
our suffering he identifies with it like
in a tangible way man you know so he
knows everything that we're going
through even though you know nobody else
around you gets it nobody else around
you might know he knows let's talk a
little bit about your testimony man
because so you've been walking with the
Lord for ten years and 7/7 actually your
brother led you to the Lord is that
great yeah you got come about so we was
in so we was in the streets yeah I'm
saying and we was we was living in the
streets how much is
how much of an age gap is it there seven
years
okay exactly we from the same
neighborhood the dynamic of the
relationship is not just like older
brother little brother is like also big
homey low like when it comes into the
streets and the culture of gang bang so
he used to preach the gospel to me you
know I'm saying and you know it come to
the trap spots with me there was a lot
of things that he was going through his
will you know kind of crash course when
it came to Christianity and truly you
know knowing the walk of the Lord and
you know we kind of we all here study in
the Bible you know and the dope house
you feel me I'm saying like we trying to
do the best that we can with the
knowledge that with what we know and
what the Holy Spirit can give to us um
so he you know he was taking me on tour
taking me to shows not forcing the
gospel on me just basically giving me
the severity of needs to accept price
like you know saying look what I would
be facing if not and all of these things
and you know just like everybody else at
first I was just like cool we film y'all
our kid with it and another time like or
you know and um we was at my broke you
him shouts you feel me kill him never
date me up saying we was at his house we
was on his porch steps um I was getting
on I was fading like I you feel me I was
I was still in the world and now they
know where I get this weird feeling and
like I hear a voice it was like you know
basically like awesome it's time you
gonna get your life to me today I'm like
what like you feeling like who is this
like with it like I don't perceive what
this is but it was a weird feeling that
came over me even in the sense of me
being intoxicating like I felt like
sober I don't know we're just like man
what is this what is this voice talking
to me and what do you know so I holiday
my brother was like ma'am I think the
Lord calling me to give my life to him
bro I don't know this fill him but I
just heard this way and he was like oh
yeah that's God breath like and you need
to like and it sold me being ignorant
and in the world I'm like well I gotta
wait until like Thursday cuz I got you
know
it's a Saturday I got some do their
money started war we know this this
could be the one in before destruction
you don't got time like like we don't do
this now so um he led me to the Lord on
my broke you huge porch steps man and
God is my witness and and cue him and my
brother said that when my brother led me
to the Lord that a dark spirit had flew
off my body like and I'm saying and I'm
still new to all this and what's going
on and all of these things in I felt
different you know I was on fire for the
Lord just like every new you know new
convert when they come to it in I'm
trying to you know was it a head
knowledge or was the would you're able
to feel like a spiritual release
wouldn't that happen man I'll be ruined
I feel the spiritual release to the
point to where like I I was cut
everything off kind of like cold turkey
like I didn't want it like involve
myself with certain things anymore um
there were certain things I still
struggled with but I had a spiritual
release and a head knowledge of it and
then I knew something was up because
then I started trying to run like I
wanted to run instead of walk this thing
out I'm like all right I'm gonna pretty
I'm gonna do this I'm my brother at my
breaks bread because you're gonna go
through some trials and tribulations
that you're not gonna understand and
this ain't gonna be enough like you
ain't even you ain't even went through
the mire you ain't run from him but it
was just Charlie near man like a lot of
people don't know we was living in cars
after we go
preach the gospel and perform in the
churches like we're going and performing
in front of thousands of people and
going to live in a Chrysler Sebring like
right after and people aren't even
knowing that like we're pulling up and
going on tour across the United States
sleeping in church parking lots and bird
baths like people didn't necessarily
know the struggle we like had going on
and it was it was me and my brother like
we lived this thing out like if if I had
a spot to stay at you know if it was a
car or a house at the time he did if he
had a corner I was there he did and when
it came to like before we was before my
brother was like you know all the way in
a financial stable position
like we was going back and forth for
finances whoever added at the time we're
gonna make sure that the mission gets
accomplished I'm saying and there was a
time that I begin to fall short with him
I walk after that and he the Lord told
him he had to leave me be for a season
to allow God to work on me and it was
the best thing that ever happened to me
because God produced that fear that
caused the love and I didn't understand
it yeah I'm saying before that I didn't
I did I fear God but I didn't fear him
in the sense that God woke me up out my
sleep I showed me and I heard his voice
and he was like I'm not language like
you don't did too much of my name for
you to be out here tainting like what
I've done for you and then what I would
I tell people all the time with my walk
and why I'm so detrimental about being
above approach now is because in the
season of me trying to preach the gospel
to the homies in the hood or whoever I
came across right and then I begin to
feel short these individuals don't know
who God is so they begin to look at your
life as if you're God why do I need to
change if this is what you do mm-hmm
I'm already being a certain way out here
I'm saying and then you begin to sound
like a hypocrite because you out here
sinning and doing all these things are
you falling short and trying to tell
people what they need to do and how they
need to get right or receive Jesus he's
the best thing that ever happened to me
and this and that
oh really I see you out here still
Cadden off so how is that truth and
still dangerous and I had to repent
NASCAR for forgiveness and that's why
when I preach the gospel now and I look
at certain leaders in and ministry you
know when it comes to ministries I tell
them like growth for your charge
God talked about okay careful about what
you showed it or even when it come take
them up with the Lord
don't put that front street because you
don't know who's looking at you right
now that you could lead them astray away
from the faith and you're gonna be held
accountable for that yeah for sure
that's again I'm just kind of talking
about that earlier so big man it's big
that you know saying vengeance is mine
saith the Lord like we want to handle it
but he knows what he's doing that's a
huge part of the test bro again because
you know it's usually your friends are
the ones who are close to you they
hold on you know and you got dirt on
them too you know you don't saying no no
I could do which I'll do and I could I
could lash out let's see y'all this is
the game y'all want to play any like
because we from the street you know
since I was like nah I can't I can't do
that you know the Lord got a way to do
it and uh I did this thing like I talked
about like I got a story I put it in my
book I used to be really big in like
dark witchcraft and stuff and I stole
from a witch right and and yeah like
demons came came after me and like
manifested like black shadows and they
got the stuff back in and then that I
stole some video games and uh but a evil
spirit followed me after that it that he
summoned on me and I was like you know
what and I tell people man don't steal
from a witch bro don't steal from a wish
but I my hold on man the scripture said
touch not mine anointed do my prophets
no harm like it's it's a it's a bat
don't cross a man of God don't don't
don't cross a child of God
like you know I'm saying like I got that
contrast with the bigger summon the
demon or whatever I'm not afraid of no
demons anymore but don't cost a man of
God like oh you know like when I have
friends who like deal with bad business
with me and I thought I try to handle in
grace but I fear for them not food not
for me I'm gonna put them on blast or
Front Street I'm like man the most - to
take I know y'all cuss a little bit the
most - to take this out yo ass
like he's gonna get it back bro and I
want I want you to be blessed man like I
don't don't rip me off bro like not for
me but for you for you like this little
hundred dollars are so $150 ain't worth
it like for real like we're blessed man
so if if it's not supposed to steal from
a wish don't steal from a man of God man
because the Most High protects his
children bro and vengeance is his and he
it's always bad bro they always end up
in a bad spot those people who try to
mark you and they try to speak out bad
against your name you guys probably know
most of the people who speak bad on your
name give it a time will tell give it a
couple weeks a couple days whether they
come back and apologize they can't hand
they got that they
hey bro I just gotta get this off of me
I'm sorry man I called y'all out of
y'all's name I called y'all out of
character y'all didn't know this but
I've repaired oh yeah it's all good
brother it's what it's part of the
process you know what I'm saying have
you do you feel that at all man I'll be
real I go through it a lot just because
people don't necessarily understand the
ministry sometimes and they don't
instead of asking questions they begin
to take account or they begin to act
like they know what is what or how we
feel are like you know what's right and
what's wrong so at times you know people
look you know they'll point the finger
at me they'll say things about us before
they even get a chance to ask questions
I have plenty of people do it they'll
talk about me a certain way you know on
social media I go to a show when I see
them now we shaking hands and you can
feel the same way you do now I
remembered your face and I ain't gonna
call you about but I am gonna pray for
you and if the Holy Spirit has me and it
wants me to address the situation or the
account I will and the only way that it
works for us to be able to like that
power of the Holy Spirit to bring
conviction or bring them into repentance
if they had done something truly wrong
is if I remain the man of God I am and
act out of humble and love I'm saying
and that's truly like what I try to do
it everybody and you know I'm not
perfect so at times I do fall certain
individuals right so I gotta ask for
forgiveness you know ever I didn't mean
to talk you to that way you know saying
or just even sometimes your body land
I'm saying like so a lot of the times
when people got issues I I asked them
what their issue may be and then I'll be
like you know what forgive me if I've
wronged you for I didn't know I was
rolling you if you pit if you felt I've
really disrespected you and if you can't
give me no valid reason why I did then
maybe you need to look at what you're
really like really have an issue like
I'm saying and so you know I deal with
it a lot bro but I just I try to be
humble and remember that the same way
they treat me is the same way that I
treated God the same way I used to treat
him you feel me I used to act like our
like I knew everything or I blame him
certain things that was going on in my
life for them you know just talk bad or
now he ain't gonna do nothing or
whatever so I always try to take myself
out of my shoes and put myself in their
shoes as well as how would the Lord be
looking at me if I was doing this to him
like you know saying how would he act
towards me you know I'm saying so it's
like we always gotta walk in love and
understand that the power and the Holy
Spirit and like what we're talking about
allow God to handle these issues because
he's gonna handle him in a way that I
would rather God handle him because he
handles them in a way that brings
individuals to the true knowledge of who
he is in their lives yeah we yeah and if
we if we take it upon our own then we
kind of again like you said kill our
witness they made ever they may never
come at all Christians are like that you
know sand or whatever and that happens a
lot man but uh man the Lord knows what
he's doing
you know what I'm saying he again he's
the author and finisher he knows he knew
they were fitting to do it anyway you
know what I'm saying so he set that up
he let it play out it's just how it is
and just to see where you at with him
yeah it ain't her damn this like where
you at with let me I know were you they
keep moving new people don't even a
twice about it they did that's what they
do do that to everybody and you just got
caught up I'll release those people I
have to release them like in prayer like
like is that like what I feel I started
getting angry or bitter or mad or
whatever because our people they're
gossiping or something I just like when
I go to Lourdes and press it look I can
feel it you know I'm gonna Lord take it
God I give them to you and I just start
blessing them Father I bless them God I
just think you'd at you that you
revealing something in them and I just
begin to bless them bro and I release it
look I don't want to harbor resentment
god I give it to you you know I can't
let us sit in I got to get it out you
know straight up it's crazy and it's a
lot of people and Cristiano more bitter
looking that's the whole church hurt
thing you know that you hear a lot about
they're bitter you know we can't let us
sit in and get stagnant bro it's deep
you know it'll it'll numb you the better
it does more harm than these than
individuals think when you Harbor
feelings on that level like people don't
understand like you know saying you know
Italy it'll cause you to go into
oppression it'll cost you um saying like
there's a lot of things that stem from
that when you Harbor that hate or that
anger and you Harbor these feelings like
it'll cause you to begin to refresh I'm
looking at myself forget our yeah I'm
looking out for me and my family I got
it sure I definitely want to pray and
make sure that you guys get healed and
God reveals to you your behavior but if
I begin to be a certain way like there's
a lot more things that I'm gonna go
through because I know my triggers I
know my personal life I know what is
gonna set me off what makes me take
whatever it is long so that's something
that I can honestly say when it comes to
certain individuals our behaviors or
whatever it is like if I know there's no
reason in which you and you were just
sent here by the injury as a defection
I'm not gonna partake in competency
because that we're gonna like I'm not
gonna allow you to try to cause my flesh
to partake in something there I don't
want and in all reality you don't want
that meat like I'm saying cuz you may
think I may react a certain way but you
don't necessarily know how I make damn
yeah man you'd said something real deep
right right then and I use that word a
lot and I believe it's powerful about
finding healing within our own lives and
just the deep layers of healing you say
you know your triggers
you know what triggers you know and part
of that one is with dealing with other
people that's like when you hear that
name come up and you automatically he
was in peace not you angry or like I'll
hear about them that they're doing good
and I'll be mad am I getting like mad
Qadeer you know so I got a release it
there's still something going on it
that's a trigger it it's it's an open
wound and you touching it
like somebody touched the open wound you
jump and there's just a bunch of stuff
where there's childhood wounds or
stuffing our parents did to us are said
to us a parent's looking down are you
saying you stupid you're never gonna be
anything you always mess up you never do
anything right and it just gets
implanted we get triggered ma'am and
knowing our triggers I like to go to
those places like when I when I when I
when somebody mentions somebody oh yeah
I seen so so the other day a man they
they stayed pretty good and I was like
and why am i mad like that you mentioned
them so I'm like okay let me just let me
go into that and just in my own prayer
time or even I'll release it father if
there's anything ever if I'm if I have
unforgiveness for these people search my
heart let me I wanna I really want them
to be blessed and I don't want to harbor
that resent many stuff you know and that
the triggers are a key word there that
you use man just knowing yourself to man
I come from a long line of men I used to
part of my testimony man I used to be a
parent like I used to be a manipulator
like I used to die like I've done a lot
of things that have caused me when I
came to the Lord and truly like looking
in that mirror and individuals that have
showed me and told me things that I
didn't believe about myself until I
truly came to God and this is
soul-searching so from me to be who God
wants me to be I need to identify these
issues and identify my triggers so that
I know when something is gonna happen
I already identified for what it is and
I can begin to rebuke it off so that's
why I always want to make sure I know my
triggers and I know what makes me tick a
certain way when it comes to my force
yeah I'm saying it's not the man of God
I am today but my flesh still reacts to
certain things certain environments
certain situations you know I'm saying
like I'm going through a lot in the
streets there's a piece of me that I
didn't know how much I had like peeking
yes like I'm getting like I go into a
restaurant I'm looking at the exits I
sit at a certain place like sizing
people up if we got in the fight can my
crew take these people here just be
aware you surround is it leave so
subconsciously oh and my wife is a
blessing to me because God will use her
in manners and certain things to wear
you know shoe you know I was walking
through it I think the store one day I
walked through a door and I do was
walking out and like shoulder button and
I was like excuse me and he was like
like what sir like what you mean excuse
me and before I could say something the
Lord used my wife and my wife grabbed my
arm was like come on uh you know don't
forget you a man a guy you a minister
like you know because my body language
she could feel like at this point it was
my flesh that was fell in a certain way
it was my pride that I in turn eyes do
you feel me it wasn't nothing it didn't
matter to me but I but my flesh was
triggered in a certain you know it got
triggered so now that I've set numerous
hours and identify these triggers and
when certain things happen I always
think about my witness now like
everybody's watching are you gonna fall
victim and so what the enemy is trying
to get you to do or are you gonna rebuke
this situation and walk in love yeah I'm
saying so that's truly that's truly what
I do now growing it in this big I tell
people all the time
don't don't lie to yourself about that
you like have issues like or you may
still have struggles like no find out
what they is pray against them rebuke
the thoughts and continue to walk
through these situations and I tell
people all the time bro I'm far from who
I used to be but prayerfully I'm also
still far from where I need to be and I
respect that you know yeah yeah it's
part of that growth again just being um
you know broken but beautiful and and
relying on on Christ and and knowing
again like we you know we still need
them as much today like I'm not I'm not
the person I used to be like I'm not I'm
not that person anymore right and but I
still need them just as much because in
an instant like you you could be you
could be you could do something stupid
man and and you've said ruin your
platform or do something that does put
you in prison or whatever it's a
dependency on on on the Lord and I think
it's healthy there's a weird dichotomy
there I think though because like part
of us is the superhero part of us is the
you know I'm saying the miracle worker
those who are working in and carrying
this just a message of the Cross and we
are strong vessels that the Lord is
using but at the same time were broken
you know what I'm saying like this part
we're still we're still dependent upon
him and it's almost like that's where
the power comes from though like in the
secret place that were broke the reason
we can be strong men of God is because
we're broken in sin the secret you know
because I identify how much I need like
identify how much that my
my only strength I had a show one time
and the Holy Spirit gave me the words to
speak and I told him I said the only
thing righteous that comes from me
is the Holy Spirit like is God like it
has not my flesh is deceitfully weak
yeah so then I got it I gotta rely on
him everyday because if it was up to me
I wouldn't be wasting my time here
trying to preach the gospel and save
souls if it was up to my flesh arthur
was up to my doing so I gotta always
take heed and identify that I need him
just as much like you said I understand
that without him like I was talking to
one of my brothers today you know we
were talking and I was going do you know
we going through similar little issues
and seasons and he was like you know how
you getting through it I said what do
y'all live the place for me a
penitentiary or the grave that's all I'm
getting through it like I'm not fit to
turn back to life not fit to allow any
storm or any situation like God has
brought me to this point and I've been
like I was willing to go to hell and
been through hell in the streets and and
risked everything for it what I look
like tapping out and throwing in the
towel being a sucker over here like come
on bro I'm not fitted to that I'm saying
cuz that's I told him I said that's how
I talked to myself and sometimes you
know the Holy Spirit God talks to
everybody in his own way he get at me
like are you you act like a fun cuz when
you were gonna do with the devil you was
ready to rock but then now you go
through some things over here you like
what lowers me nah we ain't doing pick
chunk your chin up poke your chest sound
let's get to ride you feel me for sure
for sure I'll switch it up a little bit
man we'll talk about what we mention at
the beginning we have a mutual friend I
just I met him yesterday actually got
that got to hang out with them and spend
the day with him and his daughter Brian
had Welton Jenaya Welch and I seen he
shared he shared one of your posts on
Instagram a couple weeks ago whatever
and then I told him that I was
interviewing you he's like I love those
guys man and then I told you you're like
honestly that's that's one of the oh
jeez he's insane he's a true soldier man
man of God but you said it was so funny
a funny instance that happened when you
met him like it was just like kind of
random or something man so I don't look
at anything as a coincidence now that we
leave it was definitely an ordained
appointment but
oh I go to a Bible study on Wednesdays
and we win you know we in Bakersfield so
and where we're at is one of my brothers
you know and all of these are like
season you know
oh geez of the faith some of them are
pastors and it's a blessing because the
dynamic of the Bible study group I'm
going to Bible study with parole agents
ex detectives like so it's it's a
blessing because the dynamic that we
have on the bring to the table and how
much they like we Florian so I'm walking
out at a Bible study and I see uh I got
we got a heart of my ministry bad you
know it's it says hard mile ministries
you can you end up saying it's pain and
all of that so I see some Toyota Camry
like like pulling up slow but as I'm
walking now I don't I can't really
necessarily see who this dude is and I'm
like this dude that keeps like driving
slow about a fan so then I as I'm
walking out he stops and then he jumps
out the car and you know it's this white
dude with drea so he like hey whose van
is this and I'm like it's my brother is
why what's up he's like seven I'm like
yeah that's my older brother was poor no
he like oh man I just seen his interview
I'd not even recognize him who crying is
at first he filmed me I'm just like oh
this this is some dude this scene
my brother's testimony praise God the
ministry blessing him I broke along with
my bro Ralphie he taps my story like
well this is it's burning some song I'm
like okay for sure I recognize them no
and he shook my hand told me who he was
and then uh we begin to just chop it up
and when I was speaking to him about the
ministry and he was telling me why he
was out there um like we just we just
doin a clicked right there you know
saying like it was a barn he jumped on
my ig you know right there was like I'm
gonna follow you take my number now like
let's begin to build a middle my uh like
last week or two weeks ago they do a
ministry is called m6 out here and it's
like a three to four almost like a
thousand dudes that go into my bro's
backyard he's got like a big backyard
and Brian gave his testimony and uh it
is it's a blessing because like I said
me and him attack being here and there
you know when I share stuff on IG you
know less about his share
hit me up like my ruining it I always
encourage them and just tell them keep
pressing because I understand the
dynamic of human beings who look at us a
certain way because of our appearance
yeah I'm saying we necessarily don't a
lot of the time get a fair chance when
it comes to us being able to show what
our actions who we are because they've
already judged the book by its cover
before they took a chance to read about
so um but yeah that's how we met minute
we begin to build a relationship many as
a solid brother and was just more so
funny how we met because he was saying
he was praying that day to God to help
him give him a sign and if he was
supposed to be where he was and like
when you seen my man I didn't know who
you guys were I just watched your
brothers interview or his little
testimony like two weeks ago and now I'm
meeting y'all today I'm like oh listen
man so now he's a solid brother man
shoutout to Brian and what he's doing
with his daughter man and just the
stance that he's taken for the gospel
huh a lot of people you know as well as
they judge me you know they judge him
not just for our appearances but certain
things we got going on but it's like you
know I've sat with the brother and had a
real genuine conversation about and that
brother truly as a heart out for the
save oh yeah yeah he just it just oozes
out of him and he's so cool I love
meeting him man he's so cool um it's
talk I want to say I'm gonna give a shot
out there's a friend of mine she's part
of our community party you guys
community too she's been listening to
hog mob every every day for four years
she just got the hog mob logo emblem
tattooed on her on her forearm and so
shout-out to my friend Christie folks
and she wanted to uh she wanted me to
let you know how much y'all's music has
changed their life and she's a huge fan
so I want to make sure I send that man
message oh praise God and God bless you
sis um it is truly the Holy Spirit's
doing yeah you know saying we can't take
credit for anything we're just happy
that God is able to use us to be an
impact around the world but as much as
it's impacted you um I just want to give
you a shout-out sis and tell you man
stay strong keep your feet planted
within the word stay firm and continue
to draw your strength from Christ and uh
thank God that we
doing our part when it comes to just
being submissive into the Father's will
for our lives man and and this is the
evidence and like I tell people when it
comes to judging a tree by the fruit
like these are things that are
encouraged and I just want you to notice
this that's it's encouraging for me to
hear that because at times where we may
be going through stuff as much as
brothers and sisters iron sharpens iron
um that encourages me like that makes me
know like okay I'll need to go hoarder
like we need to keep pressing I praise
God you know Lord we blowing off we
supposed to be doing with what you asked
us to do it's awesome bro man she she's
awesome she's a blessing to the ministry
and she put supports what you guys do
but that's that's interesting you
mentioned that even there like cuz I
feel like that a lot like this will be
on them as the feelings I say again I
feel like that sometimes man like I'm on
a mountaintop I get the accolades like I
can see the fruits of my labor I can see
that I'm in fact in fact in fact in with
them with with truth but affecting them
with the Word of God right and just
being a positive example and just giving
them good music and stuff and do
whatever facet of ministry goes forth
you can see the fruits of it and you get
all this stuff back but dinner sometimes
you fall you don't feel good and you
like man there's anybody might even
making the impact it's so weird because
like that's a roller coaster but to sit
back and think just think about all the
people who do reach out I know y'all get
a lot right think about the ones who
don't that don't reach out but there's
still just impacted listening to the
music every day like this got to be a
and we was in our in our in our school
of the Mystics and I were talking about
arms right that our good deeds will
raise up as a sweet aroma before the
Father and he honors that right just to
be able to sit back and know that we're
making an impact even cuz you don't
always feel like it
yeah man might be doing the right thing
like I'm tatted up I'm doing this I I
said that you use me but he is like do
you ever get into those places where you
just gotta sit back when you really
think about it
you know you got you have to sit in
gratitude you don't when you really but
sometimes you get pulled out of that
like now don't even know what we're
doing here but at times oh yeah we all
go through that we're human beings so at
times I always got a look at like the
purpose behind it though
like even if it's just a lot to see a
lot of the times our natural behavior
wants to look at a basket of fruit
instead of just looking at one Apple in
a basket yeah like yeah still fruit so
it's like a lot of it songs when I get
into situations I always got to remind
myself that the natural and what the
human like like our flesh has been
designed now as we we look at everything
to be numbers or we look at everything
to be how light is no no like use a
social engagement whatever it may be
that's a dangerous place to be in
because that goes back to when you're
kind of seeking man's approval or you're
seeking your own fleshly desires of am i
doing what I'm supposed to be doing you
feel me and I'll be real at times I've
been there you know saying I have been
there because at times I iced it back up
and there was a time you know I'll be
real like either walking in my brother's
I'm not walking in his footsteps but my
brother has paved you know a mighty lane
and he he's got some shoes to fill as
far as how I used to feel like I used to
feel like I'm in like what's the point
of me doing this when you've already
done it all like this you like brocade
yeah but in all reality God has used me
in certain places to where he showed me
through individuals to whatever you like
breath I've been listening to your
brother I've heard his preachers and all
that but God used you to impact my life
like God use your story yo music yo
sermon and your walk and how you hold
yourself accountable that he touched me
through you so at times like when I when
I get in them places I always try to
think back and remember like am I doing
this to see if I'll bear fruit or am I
just doing this
is it is it like repetition because a
lot of the times when you do things it
becomes cliche like for instance a lot
of times they become routine and certain
things but that's if you're not truly
tapped into the Holy Spirit because
every time I go somewhere I pull up and
people always ask me like you know how
was the event like always a blessed
individuals gave their life to the Lord
like not how big it was I was like I
don't be worried about numbers I was
like Brett I said I would rather it be
five people than 5,000 because in that
5,000 if not I think you're muted
yourself but um if five and then people
in that small show all gave they like to
the Lord praise God yeah like you know
saying so it's not about the numbers you
fill me and people don't that so we're
not getting them sense as broad just be
real I got to remind myself am I doing
this for me or am i doing this for the
Lord am i doing this for the bigger
picture and the greater good of the
gospel increase or am I doing this to
see if I am bearing fruit you feel me so
a lot of this
yeah for sure um yeah there's a you know
when we start doing this at the
beginning it was always like man out you
know I'm you know even if you perform it
for five people you you when you on
stage like ma'am I need to put it to put
into work and give them a show and bring
with the energy it's you know say just
like it was 5,000 people right and and
and uh you give it a myself but the Lord
he'd be making you eat your words too
though okay let me get let me his next
shows gonna have five people and just
see I'm gonna be with you he does that
to me a lot to where it makes you live
out what you say like okay so this is
what you said right all right let me
show you some row yeah I'm saying like
something say something you'll come
right behind you and move you to be like
okay you gonna worship me like you said
you ears right yeah get up in your hand
to your business and I've had the Holy
Spirit when I'm performing telling me I
only want you to do one song and I want
you to go an altar call
and I gotta be obedient and tell the
people I listen I just got the the guy
was just speaking to me and this and I
tell people all the time so we go slow
it's it's fellowship
it's worshiping together it's us
preaching the gospel is us going to
church together they're saying the
concert so people look at when we go to
shows is that their concert yeah there's
some things that we do that may be
entertaining but entertaining you is not
going to save you so entertaining you is
not going to bring conviction to the
sins that yourself are taking in your
life so if I'm not truly coming to
worship God or I haven't truly stepped
on this platform with fear and trembling
see I know how dangerous the platform is
so when I see individuals that come and
our brand new to this and they got
issues when it comes to their acceptance
acceptance I mean the applause of men is
intoxicating yeah and if you don't truly
understand like yo situation in which
your flaws are oh it's gonna amplify all
of them it's gonna amplify am you fill
me in it and it's truly crazy is because
I've watched individuals that I've told
like hey you're not prepared [Â __Â ] like
you gotta go through you know sit it
down you know saying they want to take
their own rep and then God wholesome and
shows them you was you you up here for
the legs you up here to be notice like
you're not trying to make God notice and
then we don't understand it begins to
stroke your ego and it's dangerous and
I'd be lying if I said when I jump up
there when I first started but I had to
sit down like I sat down for a year and
made a commitment to my brother answer
the Lord that I wouldn't jump back
onstage until all that was out of me
because I jumped up there and being
transparent I had an issue of my ego and
it's starting to amplified it yeah
because then your egos getting stroked
now everybody knows you now everybody's
oh man look what you did you know all
these things and then like we're talking
about what if tomorrow they like that
are you still gonna start from the set
up the power of words yeah I'm saying we
were we were talking about that yes a me
and Brian um but I talk about it every
day the power words and again like I
don't
I don't feel like I'm tempting God but I
know the creative power of words I know
that we create as we speak another life
and death are in the power of the work
of the tongue and we were everything
that we have around us was created
through through the word just our life
and our destiny man is so powerful when
we really understand that I'm not
superstitious about it but like justin
bieber says at this point now i never
say never
you know when you get born again you
like lord i'm never gonna drink alcohol
again i'm never gonna smoke another
cigarette well guess what i'd have found
myself doing drinking alcohol smoking
cigarettes in certain areas of my life i
don't you know do that now but um as far
as cigarettes but I've met people man
just on fire for God part of celebrate
recovery they're leading hundreds of
people man they're doing so much good
working it just like they say they they
say what they're never gonna do I'm
never gonna smoke crystal meth again god
I'm never gonna cheat on my wife I'm now
never do it and it's like you better get
the test is coming and in Indiana and
they go back to it I think when they
said that like it was it they really
meant it like nobody wants to go back to
that but it's like you know well in Lord
willing or worried you know say and Lord
willing and the reason why is because me
and my wife had you know we have real
deep conversations when it comes to
God's work um like you said I could say
that I would never step out on my wife
that would be my own fleshly arrogance
if I said that now I mean that but if I
said it and I'm not true my foundation
isn't built on the Lord's word and the
Covenant that I have with my wife and
him you best believe that I'm a mess
around and fall short and I'm gonna get
out here and I'm gonna lust and I'll
probably fall short and fall into
adultery with another woman
that's if I'm not walking out my
salvation in my covenant with the Lord
and my wife with fear and trembling and
I want you to know something I identify
with the beta Satan is I'm no temptation
I hold myself accountable my wife's my
best accountability pardon
she got all my passwords all my pass
codes but like I'll make sure that I
hold myself accountable and I'll make
sure that I put my life underneath a
scope because if you don't put your life
underneath the scope for accountability
that's when you begin to have that
arrogance to where you're like oh when
temptation comes I'll never do it well
what if you may be feeling weak at that
time what if you don't have the power or
you've been getting beat up by statement
lately and you don't have the power to
Prairie Samson huh
I'm never gonna cut my hair cut me food
Eddie so he gonna hear that mm-hmm he's
gonna put himself in a position or line
up the right temptation and allow you to
make you feel that you got it under
control and that's where you've been
beaten and you fall into them simulation
it's when you begin to think oh I got
this like I am never gonna do that
playing with fire when you've already
been burned real sense
I'll take heed to it bread like I don't
know I don't put myself in situations
like that I keep accountability when I
go on the road Oh have you ever have you
ever though have you ever had those like
overbearing fans in your inbox or do
strange women who I mean I'll have I've
women I just send me like pictures of
their boobs like in my empire I'm
happily married like why did you send
that you just made it awkward like I
can't you know I'm real which you are
heavy I do have it a lot more than you
know it should be but I also understand
well I think one is more than it should
be right you know so I'm saying what I
mean by that is is when you see
Christian women that are falling short
in areas of their walking areas of their
life there's a big reason because the
Holy Spirit the attraction they're truly
attracted to is the Holy Spirit and the
power of the south one of the time you
feel me but what a man of God who won't
leave on Machida Felina mr. right yeah
what they're not understanding is is the
sisters and their mentors are not
teaching them truly what they're
attracted to so they begin to think it's
you know
coming from and the anointing but the
anointing is powerful you I'm saying
that no engine of God so it's like when
women see how you get down or how you
act in certain manners like I'll be real
with you I truly love my love my wife
and I you know saying and I honor our
covenant so it's like when I feel that a
woman is if a woman even in boxes be
something like that she already know off
top you're getting blocked that's true
too I'm gonna pray for you and I'm also
gonna pray that God reveals to you your
sin for which you are doing and trying
to cause a married man to stumble and
for three years I pray because it's
somewhere along the way that the
individual that I used to be it was
individuals like how I used to be that's
got you that broken out here being a
Jesuit
out here young saying making you feel
like that you need to find your
self-worth in showing off your body or
find your self worth in partaking in
sinful acts to try to get some attention
and so it's like bro to be real I'll
pray for these women because they're
broken like you know I'm saying like
they don't understand what they're doing
um and my wife I'll be where we got
adult relationship and everything's on
the table so a lot of the time she knows
like you know she knows what's up but
what I dislike is when I got females
that are doing these things and then
they'll try to double back on to my
wife's page I find out who my wife is
and then try to god bless you sis I hope
you're having a good day like nah you
need to repent for your sins like don't
don't be like that you feeling like no
but like I said I got it I got to be
honest bro they're broken they need
education when it comes to being
educated on the gospel and they need
mentors because a lot of these women
don't have women of the faith that are
you know been married or that our elders
to teach them about their insecurities
that is affecting them in the manner
that happened through these situations
or put them in a circumstance where they
feel that they need to do these things
to feel wanted her to have self-worth
yes Steve man I know seven I've talked
to him about social media and like I
mean I'm I don't have a manager like I
don't have a staff like it's me right so
I have to look at the numbers and
well there's ad revenue or spending
money or making sure that hey wants it
this video getting any views you know we
spent the money to you know we spent
three hundred dollars or however much
money you spend for video shoot and
nobody seen it you know said so I'm
trying to get I'm very active on social
media seven and start he's like he said
he doesn't fool with it at all are you
different when it comes to that are you
more active on I know you do a lot I
like you know saying inspirational words
and messages and things like that are
you more active on social media I have
to be and the reason for it is because
with my brother stepping down I'll be
real with you it's been a lot of
responsibility and a lot of things that
have been placed into my lap you know
I'm prayerfully God is or that you know
he's a he's ordained it and it I've been
groomed for the position and it was
although the Lord's doing so yes I have
to actively be on social media but when
I own social media like and when I do
um me and my wife talked about it we've
done fasted from it like even me being
on social media now like I still have to
restrain myself from being on it like so
when I get on there it's mandatory I'll
post all right I answer a message I may
interact with a comment or two I'm off
because it's so distracting like you get
caught up to where now you're messaging
having a conversation with a with one of
the brothers that the ministries touch
them next thing you know I'm going down
my timeline I'm beat I mean say some I
may see something that's like you know
one of my Bros or something back home
day they're making me laugh yeah I'm
saying they did something on Instagram
it's you know some [Â __Â ] humor we
know them laugh and announced it so it
becomes a distraction yes sir for sir I
got active on social media but I'll be
real like I said enough I need to fast
from this because this is taking more of
my time than it is being useful yeah I'm
I'm with you on that I'll be sitting
there scrolling just on my facebook on
my phone and I'm like I'll catch myself
and I live a said man what the hell are
you looking for are you looking for a
funny video
in Revelation you look for the news oh
no what are you doing I had to and I
tell myself there let me put this thing
I don't know what I'm looking for nudge
no it's not found there whatever it is
you know I don't know if I'm the new
contact or no you know I had to cut it
it's just we do it out of habit who
grabbed our phone and start moving out
and got to the plow didn't listen like
TEDTalks herself in his talk about like
like putting your phone up and don't
even have it in your hand or at the
dinner table even holding it because
you're waiting for an alert we was
chilling yesterday with some friends and
uh I just had it in my hand and I've and
I wasn't messing I wasn't looking at it
like it's in a case yeah that's like I'm
putting I gotta put this in my pocket I
don't even be holding it like you know
I'm saying just because it's like
disrespectful I've had I've had people
um I had one guy which is one game is
really bad he would come over to the
house but he would sit in the car for
like thirty minutes talking to somebody
we're waiting on him to show up he comes
all I had to talk to this girl is he
didn't understand it was a and it was
like every day it was like always he's
always just on the phone talking or
texting and the Joker would do it one he
was driving like he has a right in front
of him now I'm not talking my even out
to the side like the judge like right
here
and and I've and we've been at like
restaurants with with doing ministry and
people having us out to eat and he's
coming in we sit down at this table
where these people are like paying for
our meal and hey we're glad you came to
visit us and he's like what are you
doing bro you got a these people like
this is so disrespectful it but he
thinks it's disrespectful to the person
on the other end well they're trying to
need me they want to you know what I'm
saying that's so weird I'm gonna be real
it's a it's an addiction you don't
realize that it's an addiction until you
begin to try to fast from him and then
you Spanish we much it monthly like when
you wet you know what's crazy is I just
recently was mean I'm saying talking to
my wife about it us like when we wake up
in the morning calling on God and
praying to the Lord and crying out to
him about our needs or day because your
natural reaction when alarm goes off in
the morning you grab your phone boom
notifications now it's let me answer who
messes
me let me make sure I'm on top of my
program throughout the day well yeah
I've already forsaken me being on top of
my program if I hit my knees and ask the
Lord to guide me through the day
so it's like that's something I've been
even myself being transparent is making
sure that before I grab my phone to
answer somebody else's message am i
tapping in with the Lord to ask him and
thank him for one thank you that you
woke me up for two Lord guide me
throughout to the day make sure that I
stay humble he rip away any bit of
iniquity search my heart for it I don't
want to go through that today but it's
it's an addiction and a lot of people
don't understand how much of it's an
addiction until you do not have to be
with your phone and then like you said a
lot of the times we begin to make
excuses like oh well these people need
me like well no to be honest with you a
lot of the times we've become enabler
zuv God trying to work in individuals
life so we're trying to be there that
much because if we're always answering
the phone and we don't not answer the
phone or we don't necessarily take
people active door de cycling or holding
accountable when does God ever have the
time to work on them and truly be with
them and we have intimate time with them
yeah yeah I'm saying so I did I
understand like I said I see the
addiction in it I see you know how much
that you know you don't realize it's an
addiction until you go to break the
habit and then you'll be like oh man
this is the problem
I'm saying and it and that's what it's
meant for like these social media you
know a lot of these things can be used
to glorify God but then there's a thin
line to where all of a sudden they
become to where now they're they're
stroking your flesh yeah I'm saying so
we always got to be mindful of that yeah
it's wild man talk I'm going to ask you
about this too so cuz like in this
interview I've already messed up for a
lot of people I said to a word right and
lo a lot while ago and I've so a lot of
people that's the only thing that's and
I will say that cuz that's for a lot of
people that's only the only thing
they're gonna hear in this interview is
that words gonna jump out I did the
interview with seven we did like to our
podcasts and we're getting deep we're
getting deep but I think I said the S
word I think
I think I said you there people who come
from a shitty background is the word I
use and it was the best word I could
think of versus net you've said not a
bad background not a broken background
put his shitty backgrounds I've really
bad and I said that the interview was
reposted on a Christian
YouTube channel they ripped it and
re-uploaded it and every comment was
like was about that word I mean we did
two hours of just content and
sanctification and how to overcome
struggle and but the only thing they
were concerned with was with that that
word seven uses the n-word I know in the
music some and he catches flack for that
what is your response to the people who
maybe would get upset from this
interview and say brother why would you
even talk to this guy who's cursing or
whatever the case is or because you guys
get it you guys get it as well
I've had it recently uh me and Bryan
trail with we was on a tour and
individual during the Q&A you know I was
like six seven hundred people there so
he tried the basis with basically
because Bryan don't agree with it Ziya
name exactly so when he did it he didn't
understand that Bryan caught on to what
he was doing and was like now we're
gonna stand together through this search
through this situation whether I agree
or disagree um and it was dope and I
apologize to do it I was like you know
forgive me if me or my brother or the
ministry has offended you or your family
in any way that's not our doing and if
you could shake my hand and I truly am
you know asking for your forgiveness but
one thing I would ask the individuals
who like you for instance your situation
with the what just will piggyback off of
that I bet you nobody reached out to you
to ask you if you know I had to go but I
look at the comments you know oh yeah
and that's what I'm saying no so as much
as we want to point the finger and but
you know condemn and judge our
individual for choice words or say um I
encourage you individuals to truly
search go on heart and see where the
issue is that you didn't reach out and
see if this
was going for anything in yourself per
se like maybe you may have been going
through something maybe if they would
like to educate you on the words being
choice or it's not you know it's not
godly whatever it is these individuals
didn't even give that chance to you
they just stamped you you're no good
your own feeling I'm saying it and I get
that it will so I always encourage
people that I would like to say to the
individuals out there reach out see if
we need prayer see if we may be going
through some things see if the answer
that we give you may be that you know
what we have some choice words we didn't
offend you didn't mean to offend you
whatever it is and even being a well
approach you know I apologize if I
caused you to stumble into me but
because certain personal convictions
that individuals have a lot of the time
they begin to put it on you and begin to
say it's sin yeah and a lot of you
Thomas there are shallow conviction have
you ever have you guys ever been through
that I know I've definitely been through
that we're like and I've had it happen
to me we're like I have friends who
close friends and this happened to Bob
bunch people but a very close friend was
like the Lord had told him to quit
listen in the rap music Christian his
Christian rap he said brothers prideful
in the Lord and he saw that became a law
like he tried to like pushed his
personal conviction on everybody that
when nobody's supposed to listen to
gospel rap and and he was like trying to
push it on me because that's what I was
doing gospel rap at the time he's like
if the Lord told you to quit would you
quit and I was joking
and I said no I was if you know me in
the Lord College yeah if the Lord said
quit then I gotta quit being he gonna
make me quit but I said no jokingly he
said well the Lord telling you to quit
today to me I was like bro I don't think
he is so like you know how we we had
this weird holiness Saint if acacia
staying and we the Lord has something he
wants us to lay down whether it's you
know gospel rap is a big one I'm pretty
sure you've dealt with that it's not of
God you're trying to be like the world
to win the world but they're innocent of
a case of people get so close but he's
just not pushing it on other people
these rules and things that aren't even
biblical or scriptural right baby
tattoos my definitely one
I'll be real I just had an individual
hop on Instagram and say something about
my appearance how I look and I'm being
hypocritical on the messages that I'm
preaching because I how I look you know
I'm saying or whatever it may be
and I was like you know what bless his
heart because I could tell he's lost and
the message may have pricked his flesh
because and he's not taking heed to it
pricking his flesh and maybe there was
something that the Holy Spirit was using
me to speak on cuz I was speaking about
pride and saying so it was like you know
oh you're being hypocritical but it was
like not reality a lot of the time when
people begin to point the finger is
because the Holy Spirit doesn't pump
their flesh and he's telling them to
give something up um so I would say with
that to be real with you
I got personal convictions when it comes
to certain things and I know brothers
they do as well so if I know a brother
that has a personal conviction that God
told him he doesn't reduce their uh to
do certain things like let's say it's he
doesn't like gospel rap right well if i
watch NFL or something some weird stuff
that doesn't mean that it's a sin for me
because he's never gave me that personal
conviction some people he doesn't want
them to you know I don't want you
partaking in common silly humor you know
I'm saying or whatever it may be like
that's not of me or whatever some people
go on that too as well now if he said
that to you for sure one thing I do and
I can't be honest with when it comes to
me being above reproach um so I say you
know like I see the lake house in
England I I say it here and there I
ain't went when it comes to live or when
it comes to an Instagram video and all
these things I'm trying to be more
mindful and more respectful I do say it
in my music once in a while whatever it
is um when I was with my brothers and we
was on tour when I was with Kingdom
music and me and Brian Trejo and the
brothers was on tour out of the leader
and the man of God that I truly am
knowing their personal conviction me
being above reproach and respecting my
brother's not wanting more than the
stuff cause I'm the senior stumble yeah
I didn't say the word around
I didn't we didn't partake in them
conversations I did my best to make sure
I held it you know I'm saying to to a
certain you know whatever it is and
that's me and much less no do I still
say this and that and what it did was is
it caused them to see the true heart
that I had after the father and the love
that I have for my brother into not one
to cause them to stumble and so that's
what people got to understand when it
comes to a personal conviction we can't
begin to have a personal conviction and
push it on our brothers and call it sin
when God did not ordain that personal
conviction for us if he's told you know
then you best believe you better stop
doing it because he's told you that but
because he told you doesn't make it okay
for you to come press the agenda on
email yeah never saying and I totally
agree with you I understand how it is
bro like if God told me like you say
yeah God truly said no I would I would
agree yeah you know what Lord I heard
that from you but I'm not going to allow
you to be like because you feel a
certain way hey you know what God is
telling you through me well I'm gonna
give a prayer and I'm gonna seek you
know hit his counseling his wisdom on
the situation because if I truly knew I
would feel the instant change if it was
ordained by God I would feel a
conviction about not doing this anymore
you know saying and if and if I need to
start praying on that pray for me to get
the conviction on you fill me yeah and
if it is something that God truly told
you I believe if there was a word given
from the Lord on a personal conviction I
believe that the Lord would give me the
strength and the ability to quit on the
shot for sure I'm a good I think it goes
back to the scriptures as well you know
Paul you know had his personal
convictions or his preferences and says
look this isn't the law but I say do
this I think you should do this you know
the law doesn't say not to do it but I
don't I don't think it's a good idea but
it's what he gets no shoot I love I just
got done shooting basketball I love it
there's people they're like no I can't
and I know people who the Lord's caught
like basketball I got a guy who led me
to the Lord
basketball was his idol like he's he's a
Matt Hooper and he just loved it he did
it every chance he could he's always
watching and he's like obsessed with it
and
Hey pull back but he didn't go around
like putting that on us you know he
didn't hey y'all gotta quit shooting
ball but I've been around people they
say don't watch NFL that was just one
dude I knew this guy wrote reached
records back in the day at their height
and wrote him letters telling them that
God wants them to take the sports
emblems and Nike logos off of their
clothing that it was wasn't honoring God
because they might have a you know a
Houston hat or whatever waiting they're
like why'd you just gonna have a black
hat the Hat is fine you can have the Hat
but why does it have to have houston
like you're not representing and put a
cross on it or something like it was
really weird you know it's like this
dude actually wrote them a letter you
know obviously he did try to reach out
versus just talking good talking about
him but it's still weird so yeah I can
keep men that more as if somebody's
bringing to my attention whether than
people just running through a comment
section and pointing the finger instead
of getting to know me and I always tell
people have you even tried to search and
identify my heart after the father have
you asked around have you did your
homework on me before you just stamp me
to be this individual like in all
reality like you have you prayed on it
have you reached out because I tell
people this all the time if you feel a
certain way about me I have no issue
having a conversation about however you
feel but have you prayed on it have you
reached out to anybody who knows me
because that's the first thing I tell
them individuals who know me know that
we don't always agree
we got disagreements so if you truly
want to get to know me reach out
throughout whoever you may know that
knows me and ask them about my character
and who I truly in like it and because
people don't understand this right well
I'm up late night sometimes talking with
individuals about not going to partake
in gang culture activities that could
cause them to go to the penitentiary for
the rest of their life like I'm I I do
ministry I pull up in my neighborhood
some of my bros are still in that life
so I gotta go do ministry and preach the
gospel to some of
individuals while they're in the trap
house pushing pushing crack pushing dope
selling Chris you know gang banger
whatever they're doing I may have to go
to the hotel to preach the gospel to one
of my bros that is struggling with uh
with pimping you know I'm saying and
teach him about what he's doing to these
women and the long-term effect it's
gonna have like oh I have to eat
ministry beyond the church building
walls and I do it within them the
poverty-stricken areas of the United
States in the ghettos and the
neighborhoods I'm pulling up the candle
lights Shawna preach the gospel and
individuals are shooting up the candle
light like and I got people a lot of the
times that will tell me like you know
how they oh you know the light isn't
supposed to fellowship with the dark and
all of that like okay don't forget what
Jesus was doing like Jesus didn't pick
individuals who were clean he didn't
pick individuals who were groomed
correctly like yeah I'm saying we got to
understand Jesus truly was outside in
the slums preaching the gospel and one
thing I always tell people Jesus didn't
dump scriptural and individuals when he
first met him know he built a
relationship with them broke bread and
begin to fellowship with them and
teaching them the doctrine in the gospel
like and people don't do that we would
just want to run outside and
bible-thumper individual and do this
shot them preaching and act like okay we
did our job no are you willing to walk
this out with this man if you if you
truly are preaching the gospel and this
individual says he needs help are you
willing to give him your phone number
are you willing to walk this out with
him because as much as you said you want
to be christ-like that's what the Lord
was doing yeah that's good man
I'm I'm with you on that and you can
show grace on that like them comments
come by night and day like they just fly
by like and I try I try to I try to
discern the comments - you know like are
you trolling or you or do you really
want to know cuz if you really want to
know then I will I will spend the time I
talk with you but if you're trolling
you're getting banned you're not you're
good you've you you've abused the
feature you don't know how to use this
comment feature correctly you're
trolling you're done you're not used it
you're in timeout
I think I'll abandon
and I'm gonna be real with you that was
the situation that just happened with
the individual like when I looked at
what I was talking about to perceive
what his comment was speaking on I was
like you don't even make any sense at
this point this is more for you just to
be seen and if I felt like you said with
the discernment that you really wanted a
real answer or what I would dialogue
with you I would you know we could talk
within private message I'll even shoot
you my number and we can have real
conversation and dialogue about your
feelings compared to what I feel and
then we can kick the game around but I'm
not gonna seeking them from not fair to
talk with it individually looking for
some attention yeah you got to deal with
that it's part of it I want to give a
shout out to our Brandon Higgins just
came through with a donation thank you
for believing in a vision brother
you're awesome Brandon love you man he
says just stay prayed up his will is the
only way to walk for sure I guess I got
like two more questions really here at
the end what is it about about hog Bob
that's so captivating I think I think
one of the things is authenticity which
we took we touched on but you guys have
a ministry and a movement that spans
worldwide like it's it's worldwide and
it's not just it's not just people who
you know love your story like they
really they really feel like they belong
you're telling their story right and it
could because it's not it's you know
it's a it's a fan basis and audience
they really eat it up man they feel like
they're a part they're part of you I
mean they were the same clothing there's
people that decked out in our purple
they're getting tattoos of your emblems
and stuff like that like what is it do
you think that makes hog mob so so
captivating from just other ministries
right you guys are doing something a
little bit different it's more of a
movement what do you think it is oh I
would say authenticity is a big one but
I think truly what captivates
individuals is the culture bit
of us come from like a lot of
individuals in our ministries we're so
dynamic like it's truly the unity of the
body of Christ because you would look at
me and my brother and a lot of us and
you could you know yet we're ex-gang
members we got brothers they you know
are in the ministry that came home from
doing life in prison
um I think a lot of the time it's the
world per se outlook on the individuals
that we used to be so when they see the
book of the cover and how we get down in
the authenticity of or are truly after
the Father and the way that the Holy
Spirit has I would say groomed us and us
study in the scripture and the way that
we can intellectually have dialogue
about God's Word when we preach the
gospel
I think that's truly what is impacting
to individuals is when you can see a
person who dropped out of the eighth
grade or ninth grade but is able to
articulate his words in a manner the
work that he preaches the gospel
individuals who are corporation owners
and millionaires received the message
and it's not anything that we truly did
ourselves it's truly God's will for this
ministry to be where we are now is their
blood sweat and tears that goes behind
the scenes that we doing in you know
people judging us and certain things
yeah but I would say what makes it
different is just how we get down beyond
the walls like within the trenches
within the streets but we also cater to
go inside because I tell people all the
time man how I look at our ministry as
this is the church building that is like
the emergency that uh that's that's the
hospital
we're like the emergency room so you got
to go through you know saying we're
bridging the gap from the streets into
the church because a lot of the time
therefore say building that we so call
call the church a lot of these
individuals don't necessarily want to go
the word willing to go like you know I'm
saying yeah but I know I know the
necessary of the gospel and how much did
we are not being taught that Jesus is
the only cure not another Big Brother
program not another Community Center
know Jesus is the
for our neighborhoods and our
communities but I would honestly say bro
I just think it's the I think it's the
culture in the way that individuals
perceive the book and then when you
really get to hear us speak and you get
a examine our hearts after the Father I
think you know that's what as ordained
it to go worldwide but in all reality it
was God's plan like me and my brother
didn't know that the ministry was gonna
be worldwide now he had a good outlook
and God showed him a vision so he knew
from God's vision where this will be but
for us to sit back then and be like we
knew how much it was gonna go like and
flourish
well if flourish is the way it does is
because when people get to meet us we're
truly real individuals like I voted and
I go to the grocery store and the
cashier recognizes me off of Facebook
because one of her own grocers post on
our video but she laughs cuz she's like
you're such like you come in gym shorts
your hair is mad like you know saying
you just a regular dude and I'm like was
I supposed to be sub Mel
like that's what it is bro just just
being able to be real and authentic and
putting yourself in vulnerable positions
for people to really truly relate and
not putting that mask on to be like yeah
everything is great you know we're doing
everything right
like now we did a lot of things that we
had to learn and make mistakes along the
way
yeah how much of it is because I talked
to seven about this a little bit he's
not concerned with with groupies as in
people wanting to what you call it just
belong right there's a lot of people
just want to belong and you guys have a
movement that's kind of inclusive where
people feel accepted you know it's a
movement of people who have been
rejected by society you know and and in
its it it does it's not just people in
the ghettos and in the slums and and and
it's it's white suburban kids as well
they feel like they belong setting in
and seven he was you know straight up
his
I don't want you to just to feel like
you belong I want you to be discipled
and I want you to be in love with Jesus
and if that's not the deal then you
there's no belonging here like you like
you have to like this we're out to make
disciples not to create friends and a
movement I don't want to make a movement
I don't want to make friends I want to
make disciples sevens been clear about
that is that something you did you'll
have to even deal with though yeah well
because we got individuals that you know
I got a lot of people that will just hit
me up and be like man what's up bro I'm
trying to be a part of Harlem not like I
want to be a part of there's no
dimension and all that and I'll be like
will to even like we so hog mob is a
closed ministry like you can't even be
like you don't get it just be a part of
hokhmah like you have to fellowship with
at least one of the members fur in in
fellowship with us and show us that your
heart is after the Father for at least a
year of serving with us before we would
even consider like you becoming a part
of the ministry and the reason why is
because if your art truly is after the
father then by default and naturally God
ordained you to be a part of this
ministry as we belong as we serve and as
we begin to disciple you and all of
these things but if you're here for an
alternative reason for maybe a platform
that maybe be you know a musician maybe
you've got a business you're trying to
get off the ground whatever it is a lot
of them individuals get weeded out
because a lot of individuals is just
looking for a group to hang around and
claim something you know I'm saying so I
would say what I go through it a lot to
where we now have conversations like I
recently had a conversation with a dude
that was like um hey I'm gonna start up
you know hog mob so-and-so and I'm like
what not that's not happening well like
men I already started this an app will
like no disrespect you're gonna have to
like disassemble which you have started
putting our name on it like you know if
God gave you that vision then continue
to do ministry yeah but like and begin
to stamp us that we approved it I don't
know you feel me like I don't know if
you wish your struggles or we ain't even
built the bar like we have you don't
have no brother
come to study in the word we're not
dislike you who is disciple and you like
it takes time for these things to even
come up in a conversation but that's one
thing I'll tell people all the time like
people if they can't get a hold of seven
they'll automatically ask me for the
answer and I'm like well for one we
gotta pray on it for two my brother is
always involved like when it comes to
the president like my brother is the
president I'm the vice president so
someone can ask me something and whether
I feel is right or not I still got to go
to the president be like a we need to
pray on this because even though I may
have a feeling and I feel God is
ordained in this situation my brother
may have a different discernment maybe
God may have spoke to him a little
further on the on the vision and they're
like eh these are things that you guys
need to watch out for whatever be so I
always tell people like bro it's a lot
more work than just be like hey I show
up the ministry impacted me I want to be
a part like okay well there steps that
we have to take to even consider that
like this is an open ministry like that
like we're always willing to no disciple
whoever but you can't just claim to be a
part of this like you have to really go
through discipleship for at least a year
and serve within the community with no
platforms to see if you really want to
be seeking the Father because if you
took them up into our Idol then that's a
problem like men we want you to make
sure you're seeking the father first
what about what about for the fans who
aren't really seeking a platform they
just want to belong and they and they
you know ten day by the merge they
brought the by the bandana as the shirts
they wear it a I'm saying everywhere
they go do you think that I mean
obviously if they're doing that they
identify with the teachings cuz you guys
it's not a standard disguise like you
guys are you know pretty open about what
you believe in you guys hardcore and
don't you don't play with it right so
for somebody to want to to wear the
clothing you think that they would you
don't say identify with the message
because people feel like they're a part
of it anyway even though even though
they're not I mean now you guys have
curriculum coming out for the further
everybody right there's the emails and
it's gonna be books and stuff like that
soon workbooks and stuff and people just
want to be a part of it and you guys
have built
than to bring a man but you're gonna be
discipled it's not to be cool to get
cool points right well I'll be real even
within even within the ministry like the
ministry used to be super big my breath
like you know and it still is but my
brother did a total like revamp yeah and
really like a did we're cutting this out
this is what we're doing from now only
no more rappers we got got enough
rappers and I'll be real is that's
something that you know my brother has
put in the stand point but as far as the
individuals who support the ministry are
being impacted by the ministry they're
more than welcome to still reach out and
fellowship just when it comes to like
let's say like we have a hog mob retreat
or let's say we have certain meetings to
stipulate what the ministry and the
vision that God has given my brother or
the vision that he has given one of the
men and we bring it to the table and we
push forward that is something that only
hog mob when it comes to the ministers
of the ministry like they like behind
the scenes but everyone is welcome to
the discipleship like if you're trying
to get disciple we're more than welcome
to disciple you and were more than
welcome to reach out and build a
relationship with you now this is the
problem a lot of times if we're not able
to do it personally
individuals will act like that they
don't want someone else to disciple well
if I'm not in your city and I'm not in
your and I can connect you with a ruler
who is and whether he's from the
ministry or not
I want seven disciple me I want seven
tell him to call me I get I get messages
just because I interviewed seven like
they'll they'll they'll email me like
this is a sevens website like they're
like test seven to call me I need to
talk to him about you know it doesn't
work like that but but I'll be real bro
I encourage these individuals to not
make this ministry become an idol
because then in that point you would
turn this into sin now I tell people it
is open we're open to disciple you but
the thing is this if I can't necessarily
decide for you myself or my brother
can't but I know a solid brother in the
faith and whether he
a part of the ministry or not I rock
with him like I know he's solid
his theologies correct his doctor and he
knows the Lord if I put that individual
in contact and be like hey I need you to
help disciple this individual because
you can be hands-on there in your city
there in your state this individual will
begin to tell me though that's not good
enough
like III want you but I'm telling you I
thought you wanted to discipleship like
because if I can't necessarily do it
one-on-one because this is how I look at
it bro I want someone to be able to
build with you or whoever is the
disciple and person that we're building
with I want someone to be able to pull
up on you and break bread I want him to
be able to come Bible study with you at
your house pray over your family
whatever it is so it's like a lot of the
times if the ministry can't necessarily
be there forefront or there in person
you best believe if there's somebody
else that I agree with that rocks with
the ministry and I know they're gonna
look out oh yeah I'm gonna put them in
contact with you because it's not about
hobnob ministering you it's about are
you being disciple that's it like it has
nothing to do with the ministry the
ministry is something that God blessed
us with to use as a tool to be able to
preach the gospel and make disciples but
as long as you're being discipled who
cares if it's ha glob or somebody else
you need to be discipled that's it
that's all um let's talk a little bit
about the music here at the end you said
uh your your your goal is to start just
putting out singles putting out singles
back-to-back it's kind of interesting I
watched a video this rapper I don't even
know who he is I forgot the name but
they were saying how this dude was able
to make a lot of money with just the way
the music's changing he went on this
thing where he was putting out a song a
week like every week he would and so his
audience would have new music and people
would hear about the new single and then
they would get the discography and
listen to all the music but they would
he went over his bank account and
obviously when I say bank account that
that's clicks that's what people are
tuning into right so like each week
there was a single each week and he
would I think he did a year where he put
out just singles every week singles were
something that as a model that you you
said you're starting to do I've seen a
lot of other rappers do
they want a video with them usually
usually got to do the video and then
single have it ready right then but are
you putting out some new music some
singles what you got coming down the
pipeline down the pipeline
so just two weeks ago I released a
single call to ask why and it's on all
digital platforms um I'm working on
another single I would say here in the
next week or so um I got some features
I'm doing right now for some brothers
that tapped in and as far as you know
they believe within the ministry and
with the music is doing within the
communities so they want me to feature
on some of their projects but I would
say the next thing I'll probably be
dropping singles all the way until the
first of the year and then I would say
this year coming up I'll be dropping an
album and it'll probably Lord willing I
want to drop afraid up to my days up
volume 2 cuz I dropped that out like a
DP last year it was about like 8 songs
I'm saying it was you know just kind of
like my debut into me being more of an
artist I'm saying because everyone knows
like as far as me being a minister I
used to not take music serious like that
like I've always had kind of a raw
talent for it I just never really took
theory I just started hearing about you
recently and you I didn't know you've
been in it this long yeah yeah well like
I said is I've been real uh my brother
had you know I got convicted because I
didn't look at music um I did like I
know it's a gift from the Lord but I
didn't take it serious and I didn't
realize how impacting God was using the
music to touch individuals lives and
then my brother had to like basically
check my program and be like listen a
lot of the way that you're able to
preach the gospel is because individuals
know who you are through your music
mm-hmm like anything like they gravitate
towards that this is our tool this is a
tool for us to be able to increase the
gun would say individuals so down the
pipeline um I got some stuff I'm gonna
be working on I got a lot of features
that I'm probably gonna be working with
Brian Trejo you know saying uh hurt me
Shawn Burgundy a lot of brothers that's
been in a game for a minute dating
bizzle like you know I have met and
these are all individuals they've been
wanting us to like kind of like let's do
a record I just necessarily ain't been
putting my foot on the gas because I've
been more
kind of working on the ministry side of
things like since my brother retired
like I said it's it's been a new season
for me when it comes to like
responsibilities and it comes to like
leading a ministry and in the cycling
individuals kind of being the point man
now like a lot of the time when I I was
on tour and a lot of things I did it was
like my brother was coming you know
overseeing a lot of things when it comes
to being the head now I'm the one making
the phone calls I'm you know saying my
brother definitely still has to say so
but it's not necessarily like I'm the
one doing the footwork now you know I'm
saying and I praise God for it but it's
been humbling like I remember me and him
used to laugh about it I used to always
tell him like you know I could do this
you feel me and he used to laugh like I
like when your time comes like I'm
telling you you got to be humble and you
got to be ready because people know I
was family that's a lot of work I'm
saying it's a lot of responsibility like
you got a you got to understand like a
lot of the times I got a look at my life
and make sure that I put my
circumstances our trials and
tribulations on the back burner to
oversee the bigger picture of the gospel
of the Lord Jesus Christ of our Savior
being preached and even when it comes to
financial stability and it comes to
certain things that is necessary for
outreaches in the ministry to be you
know San to continue to flourish in
certain ways that it does and any and it
takes these things so it was like to be
real well my brother retired I didn't
realize how much the responsibility like
was gonna be until the Lord showed me
and I had to get him prayer because you
know um you know it hit hard and it
wasn't for play like I'm not hard to
make sure that I was ready for it and
God ordained me to be ready for it so
I'm just thankful that when it comes to
the music side of things um I'm getting
more actively and doing that and
dropping Singles I've been kind of more
focused on the ministry lengthy because
I want to make sure that we're
continuing to flourish and we're
continuing them keep the Lord first and
everything we do but making sure that I
continued a vision that God gave my
brother and making sure I keep it
authentic because I don't want to make
this into life you know oh it's a brand
like novices and like you know this is
um this
truly god-ordained this is something
that is touching individuals impact in
their lives I don't want this she's just
to be like oh it's a slogan yeah yeah
for sure what does it mean when uh you
know we hear about seven retiring what
like what like what does that actually
mean because like I know I know he's
he's doing a bunch of features or all
those features old is he still is he
still doing features or well I mean
what's he doing all those old features
were just videos that are just now
coming out and stuff yeah them are old
features um see when people when we talk
about my brother retiring like you know
that's my brothers so like he literally
is like a workaholic one of the
hardest-working individuals you know
like he works probably like 22 no like
literally not even joke and he works
anywhere from 14 to 20 hours a day like
he he's one of them people like that's
just always how he's been his whole life
so when he comes to like retiring um
he's retired from music and retired from
the platforms and like doing that type
of thing doing shows and events and all
of that but when it comes to ministry
he's still putting out the sermons the
teachings um me and him got some things
in the works as far as when it comes to
you know doing sermons um he hasn't to
me he hasn't retire now to the people
when it comes to their music and like
looking at him dropping albums
yeah he's retired on that but when it
comes to ministry like and it comes to
like you know the ministry flourishing
and him still doing like that to me it's
like he has I'm tired it's like oh
you're just Saint dropping the news like
but yeah he's come to a minute yeah it
kind of kind of go sick I guess it went
hand-in-hand because like the it went
hand to hand but they they both stood
out cuz like I don't I don't know what
what gets more accolades and what I've
seen just from being an outsider whether
it be the music or sevens preaching like
I think I've seen more snippets and
clips of his his just on like maybe
Facebook I go viral you know what I'm
saying and in his preaching is just like
out the box and he's passionate about it
man so he's still doing that though
right it is he's still gonna be
and speaking and stuffer yeah we'll see
and that's the thing he's still gonna be
doing everything as far as dropping like
sermons on YouTube and all of that but
he is retired and I think me and him
talked I forgot what his commitment was
with the Lord and the Lord told him that
he wanted him to step down and retire
from doing music and all of the
platforms and like teaching on platforms
as far as like events and shows for
every stop I think it was like five
years or something but it's just a yeah
just to really stay home and things like
that so he just kind of he kind of gets
to work from the home and create
materials and trying to another realm
too cuz you're like now it's time to
articulate in book form the stuff you
guys have been putting in music for
years do you know whether the room like
because this is my brother like a lot of
people don't know when it comes to like
our curriculums in like how we get like
my brother's been doing that he just now
has the time to truly focus on here and
sit but his crazy is because like you
know that's why I say when people retire
it's like my brother be holding me
accountable like he'll hit me up and be
like what you doing I'm like well now
I'm fitted oh no I'm still quite like we
still working and it's like I can
honestly say that I thank God for like
his service and him just being a servant
he is and how hard like his agenda is to
make sure the gospel is heard is
preached no matter what it is like when
it comes to events or like doing
community outreach is or anything like
that
we've never forfeited an event when it
comes to like people pulling out or
finances or whatever it is you know so
it's that's another thing that I would
say makes it authentic when we do
ministry is because people know that
about us behind the scenes will be like
the enemy as did whatever he could the
van broke down you know that the the
dude who was supposed to barbecue all
the food didn't show up whatever we
still pull up an event and the event is
that much more impactful in the holy
spirit and the way it captivates these
individuals who got to see behind the
scenes what really is happening they get
to see how much work I'll be real my
brother puts in a crazy amount of work
and the service he does for individuals
like
he serves people in he's truly taught me
to love a price because of how much he
is dealt with me at times when I've been
like you know I'm saying a certain way
like you know I'm saying like Brian got
time oh well I had time you know could
when you was out here Katan off and you
wanted to do ABCD anymore work for the
Lord and make sure the ministry is going
and you just know people don't know man
a lot of stuff behind the scenes they're
still going on my brother never like he
retired from music and the platforms but
he's still working like he was before he
left like he's out the house now he's
you know taking care of the family know
about my nephew handling this business
with that but when it comes to like like
retiring
he's just retired from the platforms
like you know when it comes to drop the
music and and events and stuff like that
but he you know he still puts on
everything like we got an event on
frizzle we got I got an event on
November 8th in Fresno California
that my brother rented or he bought I
think he spent like I think he spent
like a G or he spent like a thousand
dollars I rented out a club or something
for us to go preach the gospel like for
me to go do a show and preach the gospel
to the lost you feel me like and and
people don't understand like we do our
shows for free we don't sell tickets
like so people can't perceive that to be
like way you not fit that well how you
gonna get it back well you know if the
Lord sees fit like you know he gonna
bless us in other areas I ain't worried
about it so to see what he does and how
much he puts out there on the line like
it's truly confident and I just thank
God for him showing me you know I'm
saying cuz there's times where he's had
to check my motives and check my program
and be like you know who are you really
doing it's me yeah that's what's up man
staying accountable bro man so it's aw
there's people who aren't on LinkedIn
they don't know much about the music and
they don't know where to check you check
your otter what are some of the best
links to follow the ministry to hear the
music maybe even for the first time was
the best place to check your stuff out
at best links hog map calm you can hit
Instagram Facebook it'll be
SCV ind you see e h OG mo be that'll be
all of that um and you can tap my
brothers instagram is seven [Â __Â ] mouth
anything that has to do with hard mob
honestly if you just go typing Hagemeyer
google like you'll find whatever you
need saying like and and it's just being
honest like i want you guys to know as
much as you're searching for the music
and you're searching when you find us
we're just gonna direct you right back
to the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ
like we're gonna direct you right back
to getting your word preaching the
gospel and all these things but we
definitely appreciate the support I
appreciate you too as well my brother
for the interview and just the time that
you are taking in what God is using you
know this platform that you're using to
preach the gospel and bring awareness to
certain things that are within the body
of Christ that we need to work on as
well so I just want to thank you so man
i dude I really enjoyed our conversation
brothers good good to build with you
been building with seven for a while and
been been checking you out again like
some of the people in our community I do
I do think we cross pollinate like they
their hands down hog Bob fans and speak
very highly of what you guys bring to
the table man so keep it up keep up the
good work and uh we'll have to do it
again man just let me know I'm down
praise God man god bless you salute man
god bless everybody so lenient man y'all
have a blessed night our brother Sean
peace yes sir seven deuce ladies and
gentlemen hog mob ministries sevens
brother good stuff enjoyed it love
talking about the Lord man love talking
about the process man just just again
enter the inner workings of it like the
gears of this thing the our process for
God and learning learning from our
mistakes learning from our repetition
you know and trying to figure it out and
trying to make sure that we pass the
test and again I want to get to the end
I want to hear the father say well done
good and faithful servant I've I would
hate to get to the NSA you messed it up
man you know you didn't do what were you
supposed to do you failed everything I
gave you
you messed it up no I want to be I want
to be uh I want to be welcomed in and I
know I will be you know I think we all
will be man if we you know saying it's
through the grace of what Christ did
it's not on our own works but I want to
make sure that I'm I'm a-gonna faithful
Stewart what he's well what he's giving
me and I hope that's what you want to be
as well what do you mean what what he's
given me time time we talked about
social media we talked about you know
your what things your entertaining you
know you've been faithful with your time
because it's limited and it's running
out you ain't got it you know Tom waits
for no man
clock is ticking get it right today man
I enjoyed it good stuff good people good
good brothers fruitful ministry
everything I said about them was true
like they it's a it's a worldwide
movement there's a lot of people from
all walks of life who identify with
their music and with their message in
who who want to be under that banner of
hog mob because they they believe in
what they represent and what they stand
for
sevens one of the realest dudes I know a
really really good guy looks out for me
like I said I build their website and do
a lot of graphic stuff form and just
just the og like we're just one of the
brothers you know and and you know the
future so they're few and far between
the people you could just be real with
like you can just be real with them be
yourself that's God authenticity man
walking in your power walking in your
truths and the person that God has
created you to be and something to it I
think we're getting a little bit closer
authenticity is definitely in there
someone's I think we was in school of
the Mystics earlier but somebody said
some powerful quote about authenticity
being like a law of the universe's I
mean it was just really interesting with
what they said but it's so it means a
lot being authentic
especially when you can see through the
fake when you can see through the facade
you don't want to be around nobody fake
lying to you I know when you're lying I
said it last week you can for some
people sometimes but you can't fool all
the people all the time no better for
than people you can't fool God man get
it right make it happen
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would do it again this is what we do
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