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i'm welcoming my guest today which is
jordan
river from spirit science bro how are
you
hey hey truth i'm good thank you so much
for having me
oh such a blessing man so been signed up
for your email list for some time and um
everybody wants to know like how do you
get your guests man do you reach out to
him you gotta
publish this as like i responded to an
email i got an email from you been
getting your emails for some time and i
just responded to one and said hey would
you like to come on and
your people set it up made it happen and
here we are bro
yeah it's it's uh i mean i i know that a
lot of other
you know people in online companies and
people you know just have
a very very wide you know like don't
respond to every email and everything
like that
and so i try and make sure that like my
team
is very on it what you know like on the
day when you know
responding to people and being really
attentive because it's like the
connection that we have with each other
is one of the most important things and
especially you know as far as like
running a spiritual business as soon as
so goes it feels like it's just
necessarily important so
um i feel yeah thank you very much for
sending that email out and
and uh and here we are here we are
co-created man
awesome um i guess for people who don't
know who you are who aren't familiar
with spirit science or your work
just kind of give a quick background
about who you are what you do and bring
to the table
yeah so spear science is it started as a
cartoon series
that i was putting out on youtube about
nine years ago april 11th 2011
was the first episode um and
it was like a fusion of my love of
animation because i've been making
cartoons since i was like 11 or 12.
um and my spiritual awakening because
that kind of hit me
pretty hard when i was 19. and
from there i mean it kind of just blew
up you know like um amassing
a fairly large audience and and set me
on this path of like
what really are you know are my dreams
in a bigger sense and
where like what is the what is this for
and so today spirit science you know
it's like we have an animation studio
but we're eventually looking at actually
setting up like a physical location
one day building a spirit center like a
community space for people to come
and experience uh you know like
meditation yoga healing
ideally growing food you know maybe even
doing some plant medicine
workshops and stuff like that so it's a
kind of a big bright future with spirit
science and everything like that so
that's kind of the whole thing in a
nutshell but i mean there's a lot of
content there a lot of cartoons so
yeah yeah it's uh it you know it's and
i know you get messages every day and
emails and stuff how
you know your your animations and your
work are helping facilitate people's
spiritual awakening
to become conscious to to wake up to
focus on what really matters
versus all of this external stuff out
here that kind of get us blinded within
the matrix and
your your animations and cartoons just
kind of move people to ask the bigger
questions and so when they're looking
for explainer videos and looking for
stuff on the internet about spirituality
or googling topics
most of the time they're going to find
some of your videos and some of your
work and
really does a good job what was it for
you early on getting started with your
awakening process like what was it for
you
and even going back to childhood did you
have any paranormal or
supernatural experiences that kind of
burst something within you to be drawn
to this work
uh you know actually like i mean i think
that
when i was a kid i was really drawn to a
lot of
uh animes and stuff that had you know
like that hidden
mysticism in it you know like like uh
yu-gi-oh was very ancient egyptian
and like a little bit of tarot cards
mixed in there and stuff
but uh but nothing really like stood out
as like a big shifting event until i was
19.
um and i it kind of was a like a
two-pronged attack i guess from the
universe one was i met someone who
introduced me to like the secret
and crystals and reiki and i was like
wait there's energy like
moving through us like there's a chakra
like you know i was just learning
all this stuff like what is all this and
um so i started i just started lick
learning
on that and and then i had this
experience shortly thereafter
actually that was like induced by
cannabis completely just out of
out of the blue um i was having some
cannabis with some
friends after college one day and
uh it was like a lightning bolt just
like shot
from god or somewhere you know like
erupted in my mind and it was from for a
blink of a moment that lasted an
eternity
i was like looking at and saw like it
was like
everything disappeared i was like as if
i was out of my body and there was
it was like i saw everything in the
universe everything in all of creation
every particle every thought every
person every plant every planet was all
connected into this like singular point
and
it was so transformative and i think
that on some level maybe it was like all
of like
you know the two hemispheres of my brain
all this separateness all connected to
like my pineal gland and it was just
seeing um and this had never happened
before with cannabis and
never happened in the same way but um
it completely like the moment that i was
back it completely
set me on like a new course of life it
was like this definitive
inner knowing that was like there is
something really
magical about the universe and the
interconnected and interwoven and
and it was almost as if i could see that
like there was this unity but people's
like human consciousness
was still fragmented like we weren't
seeing the unity
and so from that like vantage point of
like wow everything is one i'm like
i feel some sense of responsibility
to share it and um i guess this didn't
make it
into the like we cut off before the this
part of the story last time but
it was just really funny because the
moment that i came back
i like freaked out in the car to my
friend who was in the driver's seat i'm
like
oh my god i understand everything like
just
just completely kind of losing it in a
way you know like
and she's like oh you inhaled food the
first time didn't you and i'm like i
don't think that's what this is and it
was just like such a funny moment
um but like it's still after i had
calmed down and was like present
six weeks later after i'd calmed down
from that
it was just like i i like any interest
that i had
before in all of this stuff just was
like solidified
and widened and i just started reading
and learning and like
looking up asked for projection and
gnosticism and what is this what is that
you know it's like all these
terminologies chakras i had to learn it
and it was uh
it i mean it just i just went from there
and then spirit science was born
um shortly after like within about three
or four months of that
of that point what year was that that
was at the very end of 2010
and so and then the spirit science
launched april in 2011.
a lot happened in that three-year span
from like 2010 to 2013
and uh you know from 2012 dealing with
2012 like a lot of people
you know the whole the whole mayan
calendar thing you know a lot of people
think that that's where we are now but
one thing was for sure
the uh you know the promo and ancient
aliens and all of those things there was
a bunch of stuff
avatars or less airbender avatar of the
movie
you know what i'm saying like all of
these things came out at that same time
and
and the secret was really big then too
and there was definitely a shift in
consciousness that happened during
during those couple years there and and
we're still like
reaping the benefits of of seeing more
people wake up collectively
and be inspired and step in there
calling and looking up spiritual
techniques and breath work is big and
wim hof is getting huge and
all of these things collectively now and
so it's interesting to point a lot of
that stuff back to
to art to movies and things i can name
so many movies the matrix is a big one
that a lot of people name and
lord of the rings and so many that
assist people in their awakening and
music as well
and you know i'm a part of that with the
music and paying it forward for music
that
helped me was there any music for you
like early on did you find a band that
really
got what what you were saying whether it
was tool or naco
or something like that yeah actually i
mean
i didn't discover him until until 2012
but uh elijah ray in the band of light
like his work
was just so resonant i really really
connected with him i saw him live at
an event called lightning in a bottle
which was like a sort of a conscious
music festival like
it's like a music festival music
festival but they also have like
spiritual speakers that were you know in
lots of sacred geometry
art displays and stuff which is pretty
cool yeah um but yeah i kind of stumbled
upon him by accident in the middle of
the
middle of the night one night and was
just like blown away by his music
and um caught a little bit of it on
video which was enough for me to like
google the lyrics and find him
and i've just been completely in love
with his work ever since and then yeah
like naco and a lot of the
um like the ceremony music like the
ecros and stuff like that also has kind
of come and gone
throughout my journey in pretty profound
ways but i would say elijah was like the
first really definitive
music that i really you know like
spiritual music that i got into
yeah that's what's up man art plays a
big role always has always will
and uh you know it's cool that you know
alex gray and people like he's like
um training people on how to do this
type of
uh visionary art to go within and draw
what they're seeing in the spirit realm
and destiny
wise and etheric light bodies and stuff
like that and
i mean i try to do that through hip-hop
music and describe these things that
kind of that inner visionary journey and
going
in and i feel like a true shaman is one
who's able to go in and take those
journeys even if it's through the dream
state
uh take those journeys and be able to
bring something out and say here
i brought this for you i want to show
you something that i encountered whether
it's some type of
deep profound truth that that you you
paint or
you know put in a song or something
we're back
sorry you froze for a second but um but
i caught the beginning and the end of
that sentence
yeah i was just talking about just the
power of art and really being a true
shaman one who's able to go into the
dream state or whether
someone goes into a a plant ceremony
journey and is able to bring something
out
and present it to someone like hey i i
want to show you this i brought this for
you
um yeah going in on those journeys and
and taking something with you like we
can all go on journeys and have our
minds blown but it's something different
when we're able to
pull something out of that state you
know right and share it
i feel like i feel like what you're
touching on too is something really
important that i
i'm very um you know i'm very interested
in learning about science
as well as spirituality and that's
spirit science but the
you know the scientific the mainstream
scientific thinking
is often very reductionist in looking at
the world from a very materialistic
perspective
however the the the perspective of
consciousness and conscious experiences
and your direct
experience in the world has such a
profound effect
on the totality of like i mean what we
create in life and how life works
and there's actually really i mean it's
called the big problem in science
because they don't understand
consciousness
and they try and fit it into a box and
say well consciousness
you know is like a result of the
material mechanism right but you can
equally make the argument on the other
side and say well
but consciousness is this intrinsic
thing to the universe and all of life
because
you can i mean that's kind of
self-evident by looking at any
form of life really like some level of
conscious um
awareness that the consciousness that's
moving through it right like
it's almost as if it's like a soul force
potentially and that's something of
course we don't fully understand
but the you know it's like when you take
science and you isolate it from
art what you have is a very purely
mechanistic
uh perspective of the world but when you
add art into it and feelings and emotion
and thought and like all of that it like
enriches
the experience of life and that's
something i think that if scientists
especially just mainstream scientists
took a little bit more
uh respect towards an appreciation
towards we might actually make leaps and
bounds forward in terms of
you know our understanding of things
because that's that's very much
separated from the scientific model very
you know
generally speaking but the interesting
thing is like even in quantum mechanics
we're looking at how
like your observation or observation in
general
can affect things and and you know in
effect the the outcome of an experiment
and the outcome of an experience
and that doesn't also you know like um
we also have
uh dr bruce lipton who you know through
his work the biology of belief showed
that your perspective your
you know your your direct experience and
beliefs
will affect how your cells receive
energy and information
and signals from the outside from the
environment and whatnot
so like this is something that's so
critical
and i think significant for us to really
i mean
face as a global species and be like
look like if we believe that we're
limited
and you know we're gonna destroy
ourselves and this and that's like we're
literally programming our bodies to
create that reality and if we're doing
that in mass then we're collectively in
mass moving in that direction
and that you know by changing our
beliefs changing our perspective and our
experience of the world
we can have a fundamentally different
world so quickly
as a result of how we're experiencing
life and then how we're
creating into the world as well you
you talk about this different world and
even some visions that you have even for
your own center and things like that and
um what has
what about the work of jacque fresco and
the venus project
have you been inspired by that at all
because i look at some of the imagery
and some of the buildings and
structures and some of the animations
and art and stuff in your in your videos
and it looks like it's uh
inspired by jack fresco and um recently
the
last week or so i've been watching a lot
more jacque fresco and
his his work on all levels was super
profound
did his work impact you at all yeah
absolutely
it's so funny that you bring that up i
don't know if you've seen it but
literally two days ago we published a
video called
a world without money based on
resource-based economies yeah
and we talked about venus project in
that and kind of how
a resource-based economy would work um
the the whole like we have a money
series talking about spirituality yeah i
just yeah i just i just signed up yeah
yeah well i and not just the not just
the the course but like there's a whole
cartoon series on youtube about it
and i feel like it's one of those things
where
especially in the spiritual community
it's kind of like a damned if you do
damned if you don't kind of thing
because
um like there's there's a strong
audience that resonates with the
material but there's still a lot of
people who are
upset and you know we're talking for
much of the series we're talking about
how to you know change
your financial relationship with money
and and and your spiritual relationship
with money
and uh or i guess change your financial
paradigm
in the existing system and everyone was
complaining like well not everyone but
there was a large
you know a number of voices on the
comment section complaining like
you know oh you you know the the old
system is all broken we have to move to
a new system we need resource-based
economies so
i was like perfect we'll make a video
about resource-based economies as part
of the plan
so when we did that then then we got oh
this is capitalism is better
like like more people complain it's like
on both sides
you you've got people you know kind of
railing against the
the whole thing so um yes
in that video we talked about jack
presto and the venus project
and kind of how it would work and what's
required to get us there
because like i find that one of the
biggest challenges that we have is that
you know like what happens if you have
this sort of resource-based economy
where there's a little bit more equality
um between you know what resources are
available to everybody
but then you've got like maybe 20 of the
population doing 80
of the work because this is a common
statistic inside of companies and
businesses
some people just put in more effort and
are more engaged
in their work and some people are just
kind of like
minimum do the minimum work and whatnot
right and so there's this imbalance
and then you start getting into the
concepts of you know um
looking like this whole socialist kind
of you know thing and of course
that's a scary conversation to a lot of
people yeah and
uh or communism right and and i'm not
trying to suggest any particular outcome
but
just looking at like these are some of
the problems that we're going to have in
shifting
but it's clear that a shift is necessary
and i think that jacques fresco with his
designs and his
intention and what he was really going
for really
i mean he really nailed it in terms of
getting an
idea out there that i mean
it sparked inspiration for people
because you can't hit a target that you
can't see
so he was like making a target for us
collectively to be like this is
something we can aim towards
and maybe it doesn't work you know in
all of the specific ways
um that you know like this utopian sort
of way right right we don't want to get
too far into the whole like brave new
world kind of concept of the future
but at the same time you know this like
beautiful
just sacred geometry you know
magical i don't even know how to
describe it you know future reality
where
cities are designed in harmony with each
other and with nature is a really
beautiful idea
and that's something that absolutely is
very inspiring to me
it's scary when you talk to a lot of
people about it again
because they know that the system's
flawed they know it's broken capitalism
it has its flaws it's not perfect but
it's the only one structure that works
but i'm like
i'm like jock i listen to a lot of jock
and he's just like like
you know i don't need a shovel and my
neighbor needs a shovel
and his neighbor needs a shovel why do
we all have shovels
he can use my shovel i don't only use
mine like once a week
why do we have to make another shovel
give it to him he has to have a lawn
mower i got a lawnmower
everyone on our street has a lawnmower
we cut our yards once a month or
whatever
you can use mine when i'm not using it
we don't have to keep like
making this stuff so that these people
at the corporation have a job to keep
making stuff
and selling you things that are going to
break down that you don't need
what is it product uh obsolescence is it
where they make products to break on you
so that they can stay
you know keep selling it to you i mean
bic razors was the biggest one who
understood this that we'd sell you
disposable razors
versus selling one razor that you can
keep sharpening
and keep shaving you can sharpen it
every time you use it but no you use it
and you throw it away and then when you
need more
we'll sell you some more so it's this
idea that listen we can
we can easily get over these things but
um capitalism but capitalism you know
and so people complaining but we got to
put our heads together
and i don't know if you would call it
socialism that's the closest thing that
i know that it looks like and
you know jock also talks about the
native americans in the way that they
just shared
things and if they wasn't using it look
you can use it if i'm not using my canoe
there's no reason for me to hide it from
you and put it in the shed come get it
you guys want to enjoy
my canoe or my kayak come get it we're
not using it
no you might break it you know or tear
it up or it's mine it's not yours it's
ours you know it's really about a
community
and and that's what's changed a lot as
well even with our neighborhoods and
stuff it's this
we've moved from this tribal uh um
culture to
separatism and we don't even know our
neighbors you know
on people on the same street as us it's
strange
it's true i mean i that's even true for
me i don't know that i know my neighbors
i know and it's i i completely agree
with you man though man like
it's um we just we live very divided we
live very
disconnected from each other and from
nature and
um something has to change i mean and i
think that it's one of those things too
where it's like
i mean this shift is not going to be
like this clean
shift from one thing to another it's
probably going to be real come everyone
let us usher in the new age follow me
it's it's probably going to be messy but
that's
okay i feel like you know there's this
fear of stepping into something because
what if it doesn't work at first you
know what if we
set up you know the first venus project
kind of you know that resource-based
economy and maybe it's not perfect and
it's like
well that's okay like the first iphone
wasn't the i mean i had bugs
you know like the first computer had had
problems the first car had problems
and it's an iterative thing where if
if our intention is clear we can keep
working in that direction of solving the
problems and getting us there
and and it's it's the fear of stepping
into something new that keeps us limited
and we have to be we have to be okay
with making mistakes we have to be okay
with failing
in order to figure out like what not to
do and
as long as we're you know on that path
then
i i think we'll get there it might take
some time but i think i i
yeah i feel very strongly like we'll get
there do you think that all the changes
that we're seeing right now and
maybe kovitz a part of it maybe uh the
civil unrest and all of the stuff that
we're seeing the the people uprising and
wanting change like they're starting
with very exoteric things you know that
symbolisms and stuff like that tearing
down architects and
and stuff that remind you of oppression
and those kind of they were just
begging for change and i feel like we've
always seen this with with
the evolution of civilizations or the
demise of a civilization
uh civilization and it statues people
leaders come and go i feel like this is
something organic i think that the
people are crying out
and this definitely has its problems
right on every front you know it's not
perfect it's
it's messy a lot of stuff going on but
do you think that
this is like the birth pangs or the
catalyst for
for change 100
i i mean you've said it really well
i mean birth pain like the process of
birthing is an arduous undertaking
often fraught with intensity right it's
it's not and
it's not just like always baby don't
just show up what's up everybody
carry it and cultivate it and be careful
for nine months you know and
take precautions all kind of stuff and
and there's this whole
like um uh this idea that what
you know what's happening is we're going
through at least the first
of several apocalypses or maybe the
beginning of a of a big apocalypse but
when you look at the definition of
apocalypse it literally means a lifting
of the veil
yeah and so you know it's it's very
synchronous that you know this is all
happening in 2020 with covid and the
social unrest and everything because the
um the idea at the very beginning of the
year we're like it's 2020 that's like 20
20 vision like we're gonna see
really clearly what's going on and it's
like oh we're seeing it i mean this is
we're actually getting to see where many
of the problems in society are
people are crying out as you described
and
often the way that it goes and this is
very true even in like plant medicine
ceremonies is that you can't heal
something unless you shine a light on
that
that area that's been dark for a long
time right like you have to
have to shine the light there and bring
it up with into your consciousness in
order to work with those energies
otherwise it just you know stays in the
dark and i think
all of this stuff that's happening right
now it's like it's coming up it's coming
out
for us to see it and to heal it at every
level right because there's the social
unrest there's the
the covet and then there's all the
conspiracies about it there's
there's epstein and like that you know
like everything kind of cute stuff
all over the place interesting huge yeah
so i mean
what's so interesting to me too is i
have friends in um
uh in the uk and then you know like
germany and stuff
and they're talking about world events
that i've never even
i don't even hear of on this side of the
world right like the stuff happening
with syria stuff
stuff happening with in like lebanon and
stuff and it's like
it's so it's crazy because
you know i feel like we're very isolated
even though we have the internet and
everything like that you know the news
is very
tailored to showing you what's in your
kind of local environment and whatnot so
um north america canada and the states
are pretty much getting
news for canada in the states yeah and
and uh
and not seeing all of this other
these other big changes that are
happening in these other much
older parts of the world yeah it's
interesting that's when i kind of knew
that
whether it was real or something's up
for sure when is when i was interviewing
people on here and
i'm talking to people all over the world
like i'm talking to people in in jamaica
and they're on lockdown i'm talking to
people in the villages in
india and they're on double lockdown and
they can't even leave their homes
in india and it's like man this is
literally a worldwide thing that's being
implemented whatever it is
it's worldwide it's not just america and
it's not just about the elections this
is world this is worldwide if it was
just uh you think it would be isolated
if it was just about the elections but
in india you can't leave your home
you know it's it's i don't know what's
going on i've got some theories and some
inklings and stuff but
i can't really put my finger on it now
that we're kind of on this type of this
topic um i don't really
get into a lot of conspiracy stuff like
that and and this isn't to
lead way to a conspiracy but what what
are your thoughts on
these two men in in particular and and
maybe we shouldn't even say their name
in the same breath i don't know but
bill gates and elon musk um
my hope is that they are true
humanitarians i i really like a lot of
the stuff that elon musk
is coming out with some of the solutions
and you talk if there's anybody who has
has the money the ingenuity and the
know-how or the want
to make a um venus project it would be
elon musk getting behind something like
that
do you think that these guys are
humanitarians trying their best
using their resources or are they
antichrist here to deceive the masses to
receive the mark of the beast
um yeah that is a dangerous conversation
because yeah i feel like no matter which
way that i go yeah
i know right i can say i hope i think my
hope is
you know not even a state thing i hope
this is what's happening okay so this is
this is like whenever i look at anything
i try not to make
like it's it's kind of the the mindset
of you know let's openly explore and
believe everything and believe nothing
at the same time right like take both
like uh
in just exploring it as deeply as it
goes and
let's separate them out for a second um
bill gates
there's definitely some interesting
things there you know with um
his sudden shift into philanthropy
uh 20 years ago or something like that
and going deep into vaccines
and that whole thing and he
it's weird because when i when i watch
him and i listen to him
what i see is a person well and this
could be like this could be just my lack
of
judgment and whatnot but i see someone
who feels very genuinely
like he's doing the right thing yeah and
believes in what he's doing and it
doesn't seem like it's got a malicious
intent
there is a part of me that feels like
looking at all these connections
it might be one of those things where
there's you know some
maybe influential people or voices that
are kind of you know talking to him or
have convinced him
of certain things and whatnot and i
don't know that this is you know
completely true or whatever maybe
he is the guy that everyone says that he
is um but it seems as though like
he he might be very innocently driving
things down the path of
getting things on that you know on that
wavelength of
chipping everybody and the vaccinations
and controlling everybody
because there's all that gets into this
whole conspiracy of like what happens
when
everyone gets vaccined and then it maybe
weakens our immune system and then
something else happens and then it kills
off a massive part of the population
like that's part of
that conspiracy and again i'm not trying
to say that it's it's true or not like
this is just
you know a lot of the voices that are
that are out there and what they're
speaking to
um so bill gates i mean he's an
interesting
interesting character but i think that
there's something there's there's
something there there's a lot
yeah it's safe to say that they know
things that we don't
yeah he knows things we don't know for
sure very privy to yeah
like very high up their connections kind
of thing with yeah
the the world elite as we can put them
so
on the other side of the equation elon
musk my
feeling is i feel a lot better about him
i feel i feel really good about him i
feel like
um he i mean he is very
maybe science and logic minded but he is
very innovative
in that and he's i i feel like he really
wants to
help move humanity forward and i can and
i'm just saying that by like what he's
done
um you know comparing to bill gates you
know it's very preventative oh
we have to be aware that a big virus is
going to come right and elon musk is
like i'd like to get us to the moon
or mars rather um and i'd like just to
move away from
cars that are just you know destroying
the atmosphere or whatever right like
and i think that i mean just looking at
like for for anybody who actually
looks at the difference between a tesla
uh like the car
and then um a standard any other car
on the market in 2020 like a 2020 tesla
and 20 point civic or whatever
um the tesla is light years ahead of
everything else
like you can you can literally fall
asleep at the wheel
while driving in tesla and you're almost
guaranteed not to crash
the tesla will actually like notice that
you're asleep especially if your hands
fall off the wheel
and it'll just like gently pull off to
the side of the road
and kind of wake you up or whatever
right like it's it's such a
futuristic machine not to mention you
know like
um just how efficient it is energy
energy-wise compared to
you know a gas machine and i really
liked on his podcast or no
it was joe rogan's podcast that elon
musk did the first one that he did
um he said he was like look
our intention with the tesla wasn't to
make a car or an electric car
our intention was to make the funnest
thing that you could drive
and that really just shows i feel like
as far as like making something that's
not just a money maker it's just like
making something really fun
like all the little easter eggs and
stuff in the tesla like i really respect
that
so um my yeah my feeling on on elon is
um i yeah if i agree if anybody is to
make
uh a large venus project thing um
i think he would probably be a pretty
good fit for at least providing a
really solid framework or like
technology base
with which to do that with yeah i think
so too i like a lot of the
stuff it's scary don't get me wrong you
know any change is scary
you know yeah but um but it's
interesting for sure some of the ideas
there's also the whole i mean this is
the where again you get into the
conspiracy world but uh the whole like
neural link and
connecting you know us to technology
the challenges and this is again like
kind of relating both with elon and the
world is
regardless of whether elon's involved or
not we're kind of moving in that
direction anyways
yeah like there's lying to yourself to
think that we're not already there
with our cell phones you know and the
internet and you know
it's going to get even crazier on the
perspective like um
again like you know not to relate too
much back to the joe rogan podcast
although i really liked it was a good
one
for sure it was really good and joe was
like well what's gonna happen if you
know one day like you know there's
they make like this you know robot
eyeball that can help blind people see
then blind people are gonna start you
know like having these surgeries where
they scoop up their eyes and put in
these eyes
these robot eyes but now they can see
but then they can see better than
anybody else
and then other people will be like oh
[Â __Â ] i want one of those you know and
like it
and so like that in and of itself you
can see the progression of how that
would happen
and um i feel like elon
doing that with like the neural link it
feels like
considering the inevitability i would
rather based on everybody out there i
would rather have elon musk
pioneer that first as opposed to someone
like bill gates or
uh or microsoft or intel or ibm or these
like faceless companies
because because they're faceless because
they have this crazy board of directors
like with elon musk at least you have
like
a personality it's kind of like with
apple and steve jobs i think it's a
reason why i like apple over microsoft
is because it was really pioneered
by this you know like a human a
personality that you can
relate with yeah and it's cool because
steve jobs did
quite a lot of psychedelics and that was
he wanted to make a computer that had
the visual experience
of taking lsd and so um that's why we
have
these technologies that we have here
today and that's part of the thing that
i'm a little bit you know really wary of
bill gates on is that like how he made
his fortune was by stealing
steve jobs material and then you know
mass producing it for these
massive faceless companies and that's
how he became one of the richest people
in the world
so that's i mean it's not it's not
creative
by its nature whereas what steve jobs
did what elon musk did
that's i mean yes they're they've
created massive industries and companies
but they were creative they made
something new
they didn't just copy what someone else
made and then
make it cheaper and more available um
because the quality goes down and that's
a big difference there
there's a big difference there just with
art in general or creating something and
um i talk about the reaction channels
right now that are really big
and like people have more views than the
actual video
like they'll react to a video and then
that reaction channel has more
subscribers and more views on the video
of them reacting to a song or video so
um there's a lot of people who like to
critique and expose and point out the
wrongs and they're just they're they're
essentially reaction channels they're
not really
creating anything bringing something to
the table but just pointing out the
flaws and the stuff that is wrong that
other people are doing
with their original art and concepts and
stuff that they have to bring to the
table
i'm sure you get it all the time i'm
sure there's spirit uh science
exposed in those kind of videos of
people calling your flaws and
pseudoscience and all those kind of
things you know
there's a lot of that yeah it's the
difference when you actually i don't
resp
i don't respect it as much as if
somebody birth something
that didn't exist they created their own
even if they did it just do it in a way
where you're not just like
you know throwing up on it at someone
else's creation
you're birthing something new um
bringing it to the table you know
because it's hard it's not easy to do
that to go into the ethers or to the
mind or
the imagination cultivate it manifest it
bring it to the table
and a picture promote it whatever it is
you know it's hard work that they just
get to easily critique
with the push of a button there's a yeah
there's a quote that i really like about
this
um i forget specific i mean i i you know
i forget who said it um i could probably
find it pretty easily but just for the
sake of this podcast
it basically is this like you know
paragraph on how
you know the credit goes to not the
people who are in the bleachers
screaming at the people on the on the
field it's really
about it's like if you're in the field
you're you know
you're covered in dust and blood and
sweat and all these things and like
you're making a difference like that's
really what it's all about
as opposed to yeah just like you know
the people
who are in the in the stands you know of
the sidelines of
of the of the game of life if you will
and they're just like screaming out
you know you know praise or or or hate
towards the people who are actually
playing the game it's like
those people will never know what
victory or defeat feels like
and they'll never really be able to
relate unless they themselves can get
into the game
it's interesting to say that i'm in a
i'm in the bible about i'm in uh
alabama and football is huge here
alabama football they
like usually number one almost every
year college football
and um uh it's interesting because a lot
of
they're really big into it like real
like it's almost like a religion
like the fans and stuff the all the the
clothing the memorabilia the who are you
for who you against
it's a form of politics for them and um
a lot of the people who are really big
into it they go around talking about
the head coach of alabama they caught
they don't call him by his name they
call him coach
yeah i was watching the news the other
day and coach said that a lot of people
he they call him coach like he is their
coach
yeah coach said we're gonna have a good
season this year i really like what
coach is doing
versus even saying his name almost like
a pastor or something
you know like in church they won't say
his name they just call him by the title
you know pastor said this but it's
interesting with football and these
people who didn't go to the school
they but they root for the team they
call them coach like they're on the team
they feel like they're on the team you
know and so when they
achieve the victory they really feel
like we did it we did it
not they did it we did it kind of thing
of picking your team and your side i
mean democrats republicans
we did it we get it we got them in like
we
we came together and won you know it's
like there's this weird camaraderie of
finding a movement maybe or you know
finding something that you identify or
finding someone that speaks your truth
that you identify
um you know that's definitely big with
with the elections and politics right
now is that like
you've kind of the people have painted
these politicians to be their poster
child
and like have you know made them like
speak up for movements that they've
they're not even a part of or don't
agree with but like he's our guy
he's our guy he's like no he's not no
he's our guy you know and he's it's so
strange when it comes to
again politics football religion all of
these things of
but people want to belong man you know
people people want to
i mean i we have our communities they
really resonate
with what we bring out and i think it's
a um
and if it's something that's like a
tribe or a community of people that you
find that you resonate with
thank god that it's something that it's
of higher vibrational it's about
bringing change and changing people's
life and inspiring people to do better
versus like
you know scoring touchdowns or whatever
which is fun right if you want to get
into that
i like a little football but you know
it's just this whole movement of
picking your side and having a crowd
what do you think about that
no i mean i i think you you said it
really well specifically people want to
belong
and it's very interesting just to see
that we're so divided
in our in our consciousness and our ways
of thinking that
we don't strive to belong to the species
we don't belong you know
or belong to nature to each other to
the you know like to yeah
we're segmented into these groups and
often
the groups are very combative against
each other the football example is a
really good one
so is the political left and right this
and that right it's like
um it's just so divisive and i think i
mean at this point
i guess the where i've kind of fallen
into it because we we can't rail on it
too much as you described because we
also have communities we have no spirit
science audience
but we don't play we don't at least i
try not to placate him against other
communities and stuff
right that was that was exactly what i
was going to say
it's our enemies we're going to kick
their butt this week trying not to go
there
some do that though religion does that
100
i'll come out of that they definitely do
it yeah
today we're going up against the muslim
next week's the new ager like literally
they do it for sure
and it is crazy but it's
that's why i'm against doing it because
i've been there you know
so i'm really vocal about staying away
from that kind of stuff unless
somebody's like
unless some it's destructive you know
lower nature destructive name calling
hurting people
like definitely got to call that stuff
out you know stay away from it be good
those kind of things
i mean yeah just being for unity being
for
compassion just having that as like a
foundation
i think it at the very like one person
at a time you know if we're spreading a
message of like truth love and
authenticity
we move we just start to move ourselves
in that direction and the more that we
speak
to that and from that place the more
that that resonance
uh reaches people and people feel it
then they can start to live in that
state too
we can all rise in in consciousness
together
it's happening for sure slowly but
surely it's definitely happening um
the way you explained that while ago are
you a tool fan at all
do you listen to two uh not not too much
but i i have heard them
okay they have a song called write in
two are you familiar familiar with that
right into it okay check it out when we
get off here um
well the song is essentially about two
angels in heaven
having a conversation and they're
looking down on humanity and they're
looking at us like
primitive beings because like god has
given us the earth he's given us eden
he's given us food and land and
everything that we need
but everything he gives us we divide it
we cut it in half
and we divide it into portions and our
land this is our land this is our
territory
this is my uh section and those things
so it's called
called right into and it's it's pretty
interesting so
if you have a chance definitely check
that out cool i will
um let me ask you about this man as far
as like uh your influences early on so
you're
big into art and animation and those
kind of things uh
what were some of your influences did
you ever get into the home star
home star runner siri uh dude yeah
okay so so homestar runner was and this
is
interesting because i learned about it
at a christian
camp that i went to like one summer and
there were like camp counselors who were
like really good at like imitating
strong bad and people would be like and
you know
doing references and i'd be like i have
no idea what this is but i have to check
it out
when i got home i was probably 12 years
old i started watching it
and that sparked me to start i could be
like i can i can do that
i can make cartoons someone else is
making these cartoons on the internet i
can do that
homestead runner was what yeah set me on
that path was like
real like showing me that it was
possible to make cartoons on the
internet and then from there you know i
found new grounds and
super flash bros like decline of video
games like all those like
little series legendary frog and stuff
like those were all super jib jab
that's probably very obscure for a lot
of your listeners
i don't know nice yeah yeah yeah there's
a lot of that stuff like
on ebon's world had a lot of early
internet animations and really cool
skits and game flash games and stuff
like that very um
innovative um let me ask you about this
too so one thing i want to ask you about
was uh your universe and your characters
that you've you've created and how that
helps tell a story um with maybe a form
of uh
allegory if you will or again like you
know i'm a christian mystic and i really
look at the bible in allegory and these
people represent different things about
our psyche and our spiritual advancement
and things like that so
um you need people you need characters
you need to
you know look at the alchemist and
telling this story is really telling
this inner journey that we're going
through but
using a character like what's what's the
big thing with like telling the story
with the character versus you because
you could easily come and share
a lot of this information which you do
you know you do a lot of talks and live
streams and classes and stuff
but it was something about having your
character patch
and creating this universe that people
get to learn
and are learning about new characters
and they're seeing them as
cartoons that maybe uh helps them to uh
to let their guard down to open up a
little bit more
but like looking at like mascots and
things like that with like
smokey the bear uh i mean all of these
corporations that even have
characters and mascots that sell us
their product
what is it about creating a universe and
having a mascot to tell you tell your
story
hmm that's interesting i mean for me
spirit science started um like patchman
was a character that i had been
um playing with a few years before
making spirit science
uh and he was actually designed by a
friend of mine like i didn't actually
create passion in the way
that most people think that i did but
what was
i mean like for me it was like i love
animation and i love telling you know
like
just making videos and then this was
sort of this inspiring
like there was a series i was watching
called extra credits which was like um
video games as an art medium and talking
about video games
in as like uh yeah just like how they
can influence and change society and
culture and how video games are evolving
as well
and i really like that series and they
did they did a thing where they raised
the pitch of the voice
and i thought that that was really cool
and that was something i borrowed for
spirit
science and kind of was like it was it
inspired me in the creation of spirit
science
and uh i never really thought about it
as if back then as you know as if i was
creating this universe and creating this
you know like uh as if he was a mascot
for this thing i just was like
he's the perfect character to to
to make these videos with and i i wasn't
prepared to or
interested in doing it like as a
live-action thing
and it was very interesting because back
then spirit science was it was very like
there was a lot of
people just really resonating with the
cartoons really resonating with the sped
up voice
saying like oh man like i have adhd and
this is really helping me to
you know to like process information
quickly it keeps my focus my attention
and i was like perfect it's a good fit
but then over time there have been more
and more people saying
that they prefer the slowed down my
normal voice
people saying that they you know wish
that i wasn't hiding behind a cartoon
and i'm like i never intended to be
hiding i it was just the way that
it all happened so i'm trying to really
find a balance right now between you
know being
live action and showing my face and
being present with people
in that way with just like the talking
at a normal rate and then
also still doing the spirit science and
still having
you know the that energy um because i
think it's really valuable i think it's
really fun but yeah i am
i am kind of in this crossroads right
now of like how you know what's the
right amount
is past man's voice too fast is it not
fast enough you know because i've slowed
it down a bit like he used to be faster
and i brought it down because people
were like oh he stopped too fast
so i don't know there's like yeah
there's a lot there
um but i i think yeah i never thought
about it like
like a mascot and using it to sell
things um
it kind of became that now i guess
because i've been
um really exploring what it means to run
like a spiritual business because
i struggled financially and struggled
with a lot of
just like how to make spirit science for
the last like eight years eight or nine
years
um because i pushed away on the
conversation of money in general
and i didn't want to look at it but the
result of that was like i didn't make
nearly as many videos as i wanted to
um i wasn't you know i was constantly
worried about
you know where i was gonna get my next
meal or where food was you know like how
i was going to be able to afford
living and traveling or doing the things
that i wanted to do
and so when i finally started to take
the conversation of spirituality and
money
seriously um it opened up actually a lot
of doors
for how to provide more value for people
and so patchman you know i try to keep
it balanced where like patchman will
like he'll you know do
product launches if we have something
really exciting that we've been working
on like the seven day transformation
um but like otherwise you know when you
get to those pages sometimes it's me
and i'm like hey listen i've got a thing
i want to share with you something we've
been working on you know so
trying to find that balance um and i
think that i'm at a point now where i'm
just a lot more comfortable
appearing on camera and appearing in
person
you know as opposed to uh hiding behind
patch man you know sort of so to speak
because when i watch videos of myself
from nine years ago i'm like oh
the ego on that one right there
just calling on myself but yeah yeah did
that answer your question
yeah that and then i think it leads me
to the next one do you think that
um that having patch and having um
not hiding behind it may be hiding
behind it i don't know but having the
mascot having kind of like
someone else to point at you know versus
pointing at
jordan um do you think that that allowed
you to say things that you wouldn't have
normally said or felt
confident about i'm saying that to tie
in
i did a little documentary that i put
together on this idea of the mask
right the mask empowers us look at jim
carrey the mask and
there's so many quotes in there like
when i put this mask on i become
something else and
um i do voice work and stuff and
characters that i make up to and
when i get into character it'll i can
say things and talk to people that i
wouldn't
normally say whether it's call somebody
out or make fun of them or
it's part of that character i would
never do it um
and then i tie that into you know people
who who use um
ventriloquism who have the little
puppets who will like whistle at
beautiful ladies and
you know gag them and just just saying
all types of stuff just
trying to like cat calling them and
stuff that that person little shy nerdy
guy would never say
because he's he's the introvert but when
he puts the puppet on
the puppet will say things that that guy
will never say
that that and that tied into channeling
where i where you see people who like
let's channel the archangel raphael
he says you got good things coming to
you he wants to do this there's a
financial blessing um because this is
like a scapegoat in a sense that
that person could i feel like could
easily
release that content and information and
the
and not use the channel not give it
archangel not give it bashar those kind
of things
and just give you the information but
for some reason i don't know if it's
even something that opens up in our
psyche that we just feel
super confident to receive even new
inspiration
but i feel like a lot of that stuff is
deep down within us but
the scapegoat allows us to share it
without the fear of repercussion
do you can you anything to respond to
that
totally um i can say definitively no
for for me uh i i can get i can
completely get how it's like oh i'm
channeling archangel michael or
michael jackson or whoever yeah i'm
channeling this other
entity and that allows me to express
myself um and maybe in some cases it's
really legit and like this is what
archangel michael's saying you know like
and and i don't want to kind of that's a
that's its own conversation
probably a case-by-case basis yeah for
me i can say definitively anything that
patch man was willing to talk about
as far as spirit science goes um is
something that i'm
willing to talk about and so that's
not yeah that's like i'm i'm not using
patchment
to get a conversation out that i
wouldn't
already be open to having um i think
maybe at first
patchman it was like the easy and
natural thing to do
in terms of how to express those things
and again like you just watch my oldest
like videos from the same time like
blogs and stuff and it's just like
you're just you know you're better when
you're drawing things you know it's like
that's just
that was my comfort zone um but
any subject that i've ever talked about
in spirit science i'm more than willing
to go deeper on
and i think like sometimes the biggest
challenge
with spirit science is the limit the
limitation of time
because sometimes you know we only try
to aim for like eight to ten minutes
maybe sometimes twelve
maybe eight to twelve somewhere in there
as a video length because
there's often so much to talk about
and this isn't like a podcast where we
just talk and we just go and we just do
the thing
there's a lot of effort that goes into
drawing all the things and editing with
music and sound and stuff in order to
get that weekly schedule
we kind of usually have to you know just
keep it
simple in the nature of the conversation
and then what we've been doing lately is
building upon those where we have like a
part one part two part three part four
and then we'll merge those together into
a big movie
um but like like for example like you
know we did this one episode recently
called war and spirituality and it was
after the social
you know the riots broke out the social
unrest really came out
and um we had just taken a hiatus and i
was like well i feel like
addressing this coming back is probably
the best thing to do
and so there's a big conversation as far
as
war and spirituality goes like and you
know there we can talk
a lot about the peaceful protests and
gandhi and jesus and like the turn the
other cheek mentality right
and but for this one we focused more on
the conversation of
where is their war in spiritual texts
right like in the bhagavad-gita we've
got some stories there we've got
we've got um the dao de ching actually
which is one of my favorite books
often talks about how to be a good
leader
and and and help support a society
but it does talk about war and violence
sometimes and like when is it necessary
it's like a conversation in there
and so that was the angle that we took
um of just like where
is their war in spiritual texts and
stuff like that
rather than what do other you know
avatars say
about how not to be you know like that's
another video
of its own and so when we posted that
one there were people who were like well
you didn't talk about jesus you didn't
talk about ghandi you didn't talk about
peaceful protest you just talked about
war and i was like i mean
yeah because of what's going on in the
world it wasn't our intention to say
that this is
the definitive truth we were sort of
just exploring the idea
and exploring like talking about it and
stirring the conversation because that's
often what these are about
and spirit science from the very
beginning was never intended to be like
this is the way that things are the
intention was to say look like there's a
lot to learn and a lot to explore
so let's talk about it right like i
never claimed that everything in spirit
science was definitive fact or even that
i agree with everything because
sometimes
you know like the the human history
movie is one of the most popular videos
that we've ever made
um that one has a lot of ideas and some
of them are
are easier easier disproven some of them
are kind of like there's no way to
disprove that but it's kind of really
out there
and it was like yes and no but look at
the story on the whole and like let's
talk about it and let's
explore maybe the ideas do break down in
some ways maybe in some ways it actually
explains a lot about human society
and it was really about just like
exploring the conversation and
trying to be really free of the dogma of
this is how things are you know like
just more of like an open-hearted
exploration so when people call me out
and
make debunking videos sometimes they're
just really mean and i kind of tend to
ignore those ones
but when they have something really
valid to say and they're like oh this is
actually this is incorrect because of
this i'm like oh look at that
we made a mistake we'll have to fix that
or address it in a future video like
there's so
you know because there's so many um
there's a lot there but at the same time
like they're just sometimes we're also
battling ignorance
sometimes people will call out something
that's like well quantum physics doesn't
say this or that
and it's like well actually quantum this
is such a mystery to all of us that
uh we can't really definitively say yes
or no but
let's explore the ideas anyways just in
case because if we're afraid to explore
new ideas
then we limit ourselves from really
expanding and growing as a species
and sometimes the truth is stranger than
fiction
it's good stuff um i'm with it man
you've been talking a little bit about
um just hearing their resource-based
economy and
making money being okay to put yourself
out there to ask for money
those kind of things um for for this
spiritual entrepreneur in this realm
that we are right now this capitalistic
society which
if you don't work you don't eat you know
but knowing that we have
things that we can offer whether it is
intuitive counseling
guided meditations i mean it's so i
think the possibilities are even endless
with that
the things that we can bring to the
table to to provide for our families and
do
service for people and things like that
for those out there listening who
are wanting to get into some of the
stuff they feel like it's a million
miles away because they
they don't think that they have anything
to offer or they feel like
they can't charge for spiritual work
there's this notion that you're not
you're supposed to do it for free
those kind of things what would you say
to people out there who are kind of on
the fence
you know they they want to do it but
they they know that if they put it out
there on facebook
they just can't they don't want to
suffer the ridicule from their their
peers about charging for private
sessions or healing or
meditations or something like that what
would you say to encourage those people
yeah totally well this is this is i'm
happy brought it up because
it is really a sore point for a lot of
people in spiritual movements and
in spiritual communities and myself
included for a really long time
and and you know i think this is very
just present in the consciousness right
now because of these videos that we've
been putting out there
but there's a couple things um first we
have to understand that money
is created through as a byproduct of
value creation it's not so much about
asking for money it's about inviting
people to
take an action to invest in themselves
because when someone is investing in
themselves they value it so much more
than
if they get it for free you know if you
just
give a book to someone and say here read
this like there's really no telling if
they're ever going to read it like
there's
you don't know if there's an interest
there but if someone actually spends
money
to acquire this book you can like that's
a demonstration that they're invested in
that they want
to create you know they want that thing
and they're willing to exchange
resources for it
so if you're creating value you can
you it's it's you know you're really
just creating a value exchange with
people
of like i made this really amazing thing
and i'm
saying that it's worth this much and
here's this this exchange there
um there's another thing that actually
like jerry said in an interview that
i did with him jerry is the founder of
rhythmia and because i interviewed him
about
um the like we called it the secrets of
spiritual business because he
he also is like he he runs the plant
medicine retreat center
um and it's it does cost money to go
there right but it's like
extremely high value and i thought he'd
be a good person to
interview what he said at the end was
life
is hard enough as it is to um
without feeling ashamed of making a
living so
like what i mean
out in the world right now money is made
in all kinds of ways different services
different you know there's there's
everything from you know like grocery
stores and and
and uh
there's too many in my brain you know
like from netflix and like online video
services and
uh and and places where you can you can
get alcohol or get
you know pizza or whatever like there's
there's there's so many ways that people
are
offering value but like how much value
is there out there that's
really for your soul like how much like
if you went to a downtown any
metropolitan area you know
like go to a mall and you look around
like you can get clothes and you can get
shoes and
i guess those are clothes but you can
get all these different things right but
how much can you actually get that
nourishes your soul there's
really not a lot out there so i think
that it's it's a
really important time to be having this
conversation
because i feel like we need more
spiritual entrepreneurs
who are creating services and value for
people that does nourish the soul
whether it's through kind of meditations
or plant medicine
experiences or um you know even
just like well yoga studios and that
kind of thing like there's there's so
much
as you said there's so many
possibilities and it's about us just
being creative and like what kind of
service what what does the world need
what
what can i offer what is my calling to
offer and then
going and doing that like i have a
friend um
who i i'm very fairly close with right
now and she was talking about
how like her dream for herself was to
completely isolate from the world
and just like live in a cottage in the
woods that's covered in vine and grow
our own food and everything like that
but after spending time with me and
seeing how i you know
i'm operating and whatnot um and using
technology as a tool
she's like well maybe there's a room for
like she can create an apothecary and
actually like grow
these things but then like you know sell
tinctures and sell
you know things that are of value to
people and support
society through creating you know these
kind of things
um you know little plant medicines if
you will so it was like it was very
inspiring to see
that shift within her um because i think
that like
yeah if you're called to it don't be
afraid to step into something like that
you know whatever it is that you're
really feeling in your heart that you
can bring to the world
yeah there's a lot of people um asking
those questions and stepping out and
plant medicines help getting that that
dream that that vision for yourself and
uh
your destiny stepping into that and it's
scary so
confidence and and you know i'm saying
no need to reinvent the will
look at somebody who's already doing it
like you said you gave yourself as an
example hey this is what i'm doing
there's nothing that's stopping you from
doing the same and uh and you know
creating that life
uh that you want for yourself and um a
lot of people think like that i've
actually met people who who live in the
woods and um
um have taken a vow of poverty you know
and so
that's the life that they wanted and um
you know they they operate like that and
yeah
that's something if that's something
that people want and
then yeah exactly all the power to them
like you know
do what you feel compelled to do but
just be
very clear if the reason that you're
taking about poverty
is because of an aversion to money
because we have to look at money as a
part of the unified whole
even if it's even if this part you know
even if the system's corrupted or
whatever
um money is still energy it's still a
reflection of a value exchange it's a
reflection of
a of a of energy that you can use in a
very wide variety of ways and if you can
use it to destroy the world you can also
use it to make the world
really really beautiful and amazing 100
um talk a little bit about spirit
science live and in your live streams
and podcasts and all that kind of stuff
that's coming out
yeah um so we have been working on
just kind of yeah i mean starting a
spirit science podcast
there's been a lot of requests for that
um i'm really excited about it
the first we're not doing it live
streamed at first because we're still
figuring out
how to do all of that and i just um i'm
getting set up with like a video camera
that
can connect to the computer so that it's
not all through
just like a webcam but that's like
something that
yeah we're just kind of looking into the
first recording is going to be tomorrow
actually
um and uh and then yeah we have a
youtube channel called spirit science
live and
people can check that out and over
probably the next week or two
we'll start publishing them and getting
them out there and maybe we'll even
shift into the live streaming thing
because i
i really like that you do that like that
this is actively live streamed onto
you know multiple channels at once like
that's pretty cool that's something that
i could
see yeah they they have their uh pros
and cons on both
like once you've been doing it for so
long because i've tried to switch to uh
recording them and putting them up in
snippets which did really
really good as far as numbers and
getting more eyes on it on shorter clips
and
segments but um the live stream
community aspect says hey
it's on time to tune in here's our show
our show is on let's sit down and watch
it together
we can interact we can ask questions and
those things which is uh
you know it again having a tribe or a
community
it really helps the live chat and all
that kind of stuff helps with it too
and um also too one more question for
you just to talk a little bit about
uh spirit mysteries and what you're
offering there
yeah so spirit mysteries was actually
conceived
uh in an ayahuasca ceremony which was at
rhythmia
and i had this kind of week of
visit like visits i guess or working
with uh the spirit of thoth you know
that ancient egyptian
god of wisdom it was just so vivid and
clear the entire time but at the end of
that whole experience i was left with
this feeling and this knowing in my
heart and just moving through me that
i had to create a mystery school and
like the spirit the name spirit
mysteries and even like the logo it was
all just like
it was just laid out for me very very
easily and clearly
and so spirit mysteries really has been
this big
you know project over the last year of
kind of getting
building it launching it getting it
rolling and everything like that and
what courses we offer
so there's i mean there's a lot in there
and we're
we're really trying to provide courses
and material
on as much as we possibly can you know
like there's a lot of requests for
talking about
different subjects um one of the things
we started with was the tarot
because it's such a multi-faceted you
know
tool i guess that relates with you know
kabbalah tree of life astrology
numerology
all of these things i mean this is one
of the cards right here it's kind of on
my wall behind me
and there's
that's yeah that's kind of where it
started but from there i mean we have we
have workshops on i mean there's the new
one that we just launched spiritual
money mastery which is really teaching
people how
like all it's like a nine hour workshop
about
you this conversation we've been having
spiritual entrepreneur
entrepreneurship and how that works we
also have the seven day transformation
which is one of
like the i think most popular courses in
there which is like
every day for seven days we we guide you
through this sort of transformational
experience where
by the end of that like i i i want to
say like 99 people if not everybody who
goes through it like
i've seen nothing but really positive
reviews and experiences from everyone
who actually takes the course and
finishes it
they see profound shifts and
transformations in their life
um but then we have a course on
relationships we have
a course on we have monthly gatherings
actually
um so we have six monthly gatherings one
is on the full moon
one is on the new moon and then we've
got
every week we have like a live call on a
discord chat where we just it's kind of
an open
circle for people to talk and share and
explore together
so there's a lot of stuff in there and
we're trying to make like a really
strong
powerful you know heart-centered
community
for exploring the mysteries of the
universe and really
moving us in that direction of like well
what is ascension
and what's going to get us there you
know and like where do we need to get
to move in that direction and so that's
one of the conversations that we have a
lot of but
um yeah it's it's really it's a really
um beautiful
beautiful place like the people who are
in there and the conversations that we
have like i
don't think i've ever seen another
community just quite like it
who are so open and receptive to each
other so
just so compassionate in how they engage
it's really cool
it goes a long way for sure those are
the people i want in my corner for sure
you know man good stuff um have you have
you read the book
primal branding at all no i haven't
primal branding check that out too i
forgot the the
author but but google it when you get a
chance primal branding
we got a comment here from dave volkner
says what's up family love this guy
first learned about his work from my
son's seventh grade public school
teacher
he had to watch one of his youtube
videos for homework
so they were a seventh grade teacher
like
gave the class homework to watch one of
your videos that's pretty dope
that's amazing oh my gosh i wonder which
one
yeah let us know dave if you remember
but yeah um
so it so if people want to want to um
sign up for your stuff the spirit
mysteries and that
get access to the discord is that all
through membership and so people want to
know how to get in on that
yeah yeah it's all so spirit
mysteries.com is like kind of the
homepage for all of that and you can see
links to
you can get some free downloads you can
get um like the emerald tablets we have
a new
edition of the emerald tablets available
there and um
and the seven day transformation and
that kind of thing or you can just go
straight to full enrollment
and get everything um but yeah that's
that would be the
the main place to join for sure for sure
well jordan man i appreciate you coming
on here hanging out with me
love your work love what you're doing
and love our talk and i'd love to have
you back on again man enjoyed it so much
thank you so much this was really great
i really appreciate everything we talked
about and stuff and
i thought we'd get more into like
gnosticism and like other
christian mysticism kind of stuff maybe
we'll save that for next time
maybe what you want to talk about
i love it all man i love it all i know i
know you're pressed for time and
everything right or what
no i mean it's i i could do another you
got a little bit i don't think this is
this is good yeah christian mysticism
and gnosticism
your views on on jesus see i was gonna
ask you about
aliens angels demons spirits and if any
of those
any of those encounters but you kind of
gave me an example already as well with
the uh
the the ceremony and um speaking with
those like that's uh
you know speaking with a spirit entity
and those kind of things have you had
ufo encounters and other worldly
experiences with angels and things like
that
um my experiences with i i actually i
don't i haven't seen too many actual
like ufos um
a few that i thought could have been but
also might have been very very bright
satellites
um but uh but actually my experiences
with like ets and stuff
mostly is in meditation um and
and a little bit in ceremony but like
sometimes i can just sit
in meditation and i'll be working on
something lately i've been
exploring um kind of activating a
three-stranded dna and exploring what
that would be like and
how that would work because you know
it's like that's a thing that in science
is like doesn't exist but
um but i mean i i had this experience
just as like a
i guess an example was the other day i
went for a walk and i found myself on
this really nice cliff overlooking
kind of the valley that i'm in and so i
was sitting there and i've been you know
because of the experiences with both i
had this um
this new merkabah that he showed me at
one point or kind of
brought into my being and it had a
three-stranded dna so that was like a
part of
this meditation that i had been i've
been working with for a long time so i
was sitting there
on the mountain and uh just you know
meditating and i'm seeing this dna
spiral
and then suddenly i was in the presence
of these two kind of e.t
looking you know beings and they were
like
one of them passed its hand through this
dna visualization that i had
and as it passed through um the
you know the double helix was stayed you
know firm and didn't move or didn't
didn't change but the third strand kind
of
became like you know fuzzy and wiggled
around and they were like look this
one's not solid yet
so you have to keep working with this
meditation in order to actually like
ground it in and make it
physically manifest um because right now
it's just very you know crown chalk it's
just very at the top of your
of your awareness sort of thing so you
have just just keep being with that
and so i've had experiences like that um
on occasion
um and i feel like there was a this came
up in the spirit mysteries
um spirit circle call one time which was
like our group chat
that um in order to like if you really
want to make a contact with
with any kind of you know uh entity or
being
it's really it goes back to that asking
you shall receive
you know and so if you open yourself up
yeah
to connecting with a benevolent force or
a guide or a
you know an avatar or a master whoever
it is that
you can bring them into your reality
like i've i've spent a lot of time like
reading the writings of those through
the writings of hermes you know the
hermetic and all this kind of stuff
and so i think that that kind of primed
the experience to have such a vivid
experience with thoth in the first place
and i've had similar things with
with the spirit of christ like the first
time that i ever did ayahuasca
i actually had set my intention on i
said i want to embody the spirit of
christ like i want to feel that christ
consciousness
and know what that is and i i had this
very profound transformative very
healing experience
um and at one point after a lot of this
purging and you know old energy came out
there was this like
christ consciousness fear like it was
like the spirit of christ it had the
cross and was an ankh it was radiating
it was on fire and
it was this it was light it was just
this you know vibrant life that
kind of descended down from the heavens
and it was like landed in my chest
and it was what i was told and in this
moment it felt like i mean was this
jesus was this
spirit of christ talking to me or what
you know where did this
voice come from but it was like this you
know telepathic voice saying
this is like a seed like this isn't just
oh you're now an ascended master haha
don't don't let this go to your head
this is a seed you have to nourish
you have to support you have to allow
that spirit
to grow right within you to to blossom
and this is something that
everyone can experience if they open
themselves up to receiving that and
that's
the biggest point of contention that i
often have with with christians
um who are more on the orthodox side
very you know that very definitively
jesus is outside of me and he's coming
to save me and i
i feel like well that that christ-like
spirit
is something that we can all connect
with and maybe jesus is
you know like watching over us from
another dimension then maybe he will
come down on a you know on a uh
thundering clouds and everything like
that and like that would be beautiful
but i
i feel like you know whether that's true
whether that happens or not yeah um we
can best be prepared for it by aligning
ourselves with that energy with that
spirit with that consciousness right
so that's kind of the the the route that
i
took and what was amazing was that since
then i have had so many
i've seen so many people both in
ceremony and like in comments and stuff
like that of people saying like wow like
i really
connected with the spirit of christ or
the christ consciousness like it's in me
i feel it
and it's and so it that really also gave
me a really strong sense of
that community that it's like okay this
you know this isn't just me this isn't
just that you know because we've talked
about this
in the you know in the new age circle
for a long time
but being able to see and bear witness
to other people
going through that same shift and
transformation that i did
was just like yeah like this is just
it's just heart
centered consciousness it's it's it's
like this higher
next level of where we can live from
it's like this
new place within us that i mean we'll
give
it's really like you know change
yourself and you change the world
this is the place from which we have to
operate if we want to live in a world
that is heaven on earth we have to live
from the christ like
the christ's center within us right
from that heart from that that like how
he lived how he
how he thought how he existed
that's what we must embody if we want to
create that on earth yep
100 i think that um you know the the
book of revelations and those kind of
things about the the
second coming i do believe something's
going to happen there's going to be
some kind of cataclysm in what we call
et's what some would call
uh jesus every culture has a different
name or every religion has a different
name for the messiahs to come back or
some would call it anunnaki or
whatever that something's gonna happen
at some point to uh to change what's
going on i don't know when that's gonna
happen
um but i think that when we read about
the book of revelation and this
second coming i really do feel like it
is the embodiment of christ
consciousness
allowing that energy to come and live
within your heart
and uh and and actually sit upon the
throne of your heart
to allow jesus which is the prince of
peace
goes back to melchizedek goes back to
those many many people say
uh doth in hermes uh melchizedek jesus
they think a lot of people think it's
the same
same entity throughout time appearing
and showing up to different peoples in
different nations
uh showing you how to love showing you
how to live from the heart
and so yeah when you have that
transformation process
you become literally jesus walking
around on the earth because you're
walking in
the renewed mind and the renewed heart
of christ consciousness
i love that you said well there's a few
things i have to speak to i want to
speak to you because that was really
beautiful
um sitting on the throne of your heart
oh
yes bless yes just like take that and
make that a slogan
like
experiences as you can probably tell
i've done a lot of ayahuasca
um but uh but there was one time where i
was i was in ceremony i drank the
medicine i laid down
and i just found myself saying who am i
who am i who am i over and over and over
again
and like the ankh cross
christ consciousness flame seed that was
in me
from like you know like a year prior
from that whole experience
suddenly kind of reemerged in my in my
awareness
and it transformed into a throne and i
saw myself sitting on the throne of my
heart so when you said that it was just
like oh my god
yes hundred percent on that like i've
i've had the experience
um and i also wanted to say i really
like
i resonate a lot with the idea of like
the the messiah figure or the
uh someone or something coming in
intervening or coming
back and what's what is the name they
give it in other cultures
and um literally it was like images of
this guy who showed up with the turban
on he like
out of thin air and they got pictures of
him starts with the m it's not messiah
um
come on adam starseed help me in the
chat
uh what is the making what is the name
of the messiah figure somebody tell me a
chat but keep going
okay so i really like that i resonate
with it a lot and the
the it's one of those things for me
where i go is that believe everything
and believe nothing like
feel it so fully inside of you but also
don't
rely on that right from that perspective
of
like well i don't have to do anything
because jesus is gonna or the messiah's
gonna come back and say
that right like like there's um in the
emerald tablets of thoth
right like these are all very
interconnected kind of weaving stories
the emerald tablets have both actually
described that uh a very similar
thing to the whole book of revelations
it was like uh brothers will rise
against brothers nations will rise
against nations we'll have this
this giant climactic war
um among humanity and that
in the midst of that the children of
light
will emerge and like rise in the air and
like become
a voice for the world and my thinking
is like there's so many ways that this
could happen
right because if we this is relating
with another thing that you said
you know it's like if you embody the
spirit of christ within you you become
kind of like that messiah walking on the
earth and i feel like that's true and
not true at the same time from the
perspective that
we don't yet have the ability to perform
miracles like jesus did right like i
can't
i can definitely say at this point in
time i have not yet ever walked on water
you know or or uh healed raised
the dead or healed the sick kind of
thing right like i've healed myself
uh in a very intimate my own way when
i've become sick but i haven't
i can't put my hands on you and like
suddenly you know your
flowery roses and your sickness is gone
or whatever so
there's like this this that's part of
what that nurturing seed is to me when
you know when that message in the
ceremony said this is a seed like grow
it nurture it i feel like if you
follow that and nurtured that seed all
the way and this might be a very very
hard process to do very you know like
very you have to be very devoted
to that nurturing that inner
consciousness that you could get to that
point
where you could perform miracles and um
i i almost think of it
i'm trying to understand it like
scientifically as well it's like well
maybe
you know if you could master the you
know it's like there's four forces of
nature as far as science goes one is the
force of gravity there's
electromagnetism there's a strong force
in the weak force
and like gravity holds massive bodies
together and
brings the whole planet you know brings
us to the planet the electromagnetic
force does
um it's like molecules and then the
strong force is like atoms like what
holds atoms together what holds
molecules together and what holds
massive bodies together and they all
work at different scales of the universe
so my thinking is like well if you could
master the force of gravity within you
then you could fly
but if you could master the
electromagnetic force then you could
like bend the elements you'd get into
airbender right you can actually like
move you could be a water bender or a
firebender and stuff like that
and then when you start getting
mastering the strong force then you
could actually like teleport and move
between dimensions and move through time
and space
so that's kind of how my perspective is
kind of looking at it but there's a long
way to go
in how do you master those forces you
have to master yourself
so the question then becomes well
on this path of ascension is it going to
be where
this messiah figure comes from you know
let's say another dimension maybe it's
those maybe it's jesus maybe it's
christian maybe it's all three of them
or maybe all three of them were the same
being right maybe it's just this new
being that we've never who knows maybe
it's an alien
you know there's so many questions maybe
there's an intervention in that sense
and then they teach us how to do that
right like because there's probably some
very advanced meditative
visualization techniques plant medicine
and all these things that are required
to get you there
quickly um maybe it takes lifetime maybe
it'll be maybe it takes a thousand years
for us to
be working on this to get there but it's
it's it's like a
two thoughts in my mind one maybe it's
that kind of intervention but maybe on
the other side maybe it's
actually something that we can attain to
and maybe that that intervention is
actually us
maybe it's like you know if you and i
were to go and do this like crazy
intensive
meditation practice with medicine and
the you know breath work and all these
different things and we really devoted
ourselves to that and we
learned how to master the force of
gravity and we could actually levitate
then we would we become the ones in the
stories
who have have come to intervene like
it's the consciousness moving through us
to make that change rather than
something that's already attained
mastery coming down
and that's that's like a question for me
of like i wonder which way it'll go
if if any right like um there's a lot of
possibilities
and i personally i just kind of tried to
stay open to it
and walk on that path the best that i
can because i i'm still human like i
still
you know like um will succumb to
enjoying pizza once
in a blue moon you know and i'm like is
that against my spiritual
journey like i mean it definitely makes
me feel heavy after but man it was good
um and then still just trying to
i guess yeah grow and evolve and walk
the path as best as i can is
is really what i feel is in in
the journey that i'm on right now
anyways yeah and answer your question i
feel yeah man for sure i mean it's
definitely interesting to talk about
these theories and stuff in the chats
going crazy right now
uh the name of the uh the word i was
looking for was the maitreya
the my trailer oh yeah and so manly p
hall has a book called spaceborne
and uh there's a beautiful poem that he
wrote in there called the lord maitreya
speaks and so
when i read that it's it's the christ
whatever you wanna you know
the messiah whether it's the messiah
within or messiah without
if it's a person or if it's you it's all
the same to me whichever which
it's real on me every dimension right
this the highest form of love that can
come and live in your heart kind of
thing and so i mean that
in itself on this my friend here amanda
says we do have access to miracles
today um the whole thing about
christianity that like everything was
looking forward
forward to in the old testament was like
this coming of the messiah right
how he's gonna how is he gonna come what
is he gonna do
what kind of a ruler is he going to be
and all those kind of things and so
in in the new testament you have uh
which is
um christ in us is the hope of glory
it's like that spirit of christ that has
come
to live inside of us and so the apostle
paul and some of the other
writers talk about like everything that
we were we were waiting for
is revealed in that spirit this messiah
living in me and and igniting that flame
we have we have these little flames
within us right but a lot of times it
takes
what we would call a prophet or a seer
or so or you know somebody who
channeled that through a great
documentary series a great
some art some music that i just got it
and they blow
upon that flame that is within you and
so
um it is christ in me living in me is
the the hope of glory it says and so
everything that was expected in the you
know all of the rules and regulations is
like something taking place within to
walk in love like
at its highest degree to to really be
the messiah whether it's the messiah of
the world the messiah
of your city your family you know be the
the force of change to really
respond with love to really overcome the
ego is through that
really christ consciousness and so let
me ask you about this when you had that
encounter with that fire with that flame
coming in
what incumbent accompanied it was it
tears
was it shaking was it joy was it love or
was it just some like inner knowing
what did you experience when that
happened um
at various points in that evening all of
the above
but the one of the most definitive
things that came through with that was
awareness of the breath was this extreme
awareness of how like the breath
is the movement of energy through that
space
and that through it's like sort of this
heart
breath connection or something that that
um
it was like extreme presence
to the energy that's moving through you
and
and look at how easily it is that we
distract ourselves to have shallow
breathing
like in that moment after like
throughout kind of the rest of the
evening after that
seed was planted um i remember
continually like feeling
it was just like feeling my breath being
super present with it and then
noticing like i would have some other
thoughts or some awareness and
and my mind would go and then the
medicine or the spirit of you know
everything that was moving through me
was just like oh look at how distracted
you've become
look at how disconnected you bring it
back
i'd be very present with it again and
then and then it would distract again it
would be like
half breathing again i was like and this
became this continual practice of like
how present can you stay with your
breath and still function in the world
on a daily basis
because that presence is required in
order to respond
with the fullness of spirit to anything
that happens
that like when our breath is shallow
okay when our breath is shallow our uh
our whole how to describe this
when our breath is shallow our mind is
shallow and we respond
very distinctly without a fullness of
presence basically i think is the
the whole place that i went there
sorry i had to let my dog out
yeah the uh the christ energy the the
light
um performing miracles um there's a
bunch of bunch of comments here in the
chat um
i've seen miracles man i've seen at
least
it was my perception of a miracle you
know what i'm saying i've seen
uh i seen i mean synchronicity is a
miracle
but we start learn learning the science
of it i literally seen a little kid get
hit by a car and fly 15 foot
and i ran over to him and i i started
praying
and put my hands on him and commanded
him to be healed and
he got up and he was like six years old
and flew 16 foot they took him to the
hospital
and they let him go that same night just
had some scratches and so for me
in my mind i was shook i've never seen
nothing like that in my life and
and he was right in front of me and uh
um
surreal oh god what just happened you
know and so
i'm sorry sorry i didn't mean to
interrupt you no i'm just like for me
like in my mind
it was a miracle right and so that's
that's how many
i think for a lot of people you know
other people say well yep he
it was just it hit him the right way he
was okay but for me it's like
for me it was a miracle now i've got so
many like divine
appointments whether it's like shooting
fire out of your hands or
commanding the winds in waves and stuff
like that i mean
um it just depends i guess on what we
think
you know miracles are or what they look
like or healing
i think you being able to lead a guided
meditation and lead other people's to
people towards healing like that's a
miracle you know what i'm saying and
just being able to see the beauty in it
all
i appreciate that a lot and i feel i
feel in this moment too especially with
all the comments that are coming in i
should probably
just clarify what i meant um when i was
saying like
the inability to perform miracles
meaning specifically like
um at least at this point in time i have
not yet
or i haven't seen someone definitively
do the like the walking on water sort of
thing yeah but that's not to say that
miracles don't exist and are not real
like
yeah absolutely and i think your story
is a very beautiful example of it and i
i live i see things like i mean i
i see miraculous and synchronistic
things happening
a lot and so that's that's it's very
inspiring to think that that's where it
could go
as well in the sense of like it you know
one day in the future we don't need
boats anymore because we can just
fly across the ocean or walk across the
lake or whatever you know like that's
have a picnic out in the middle of the
water like that's such a cool um
i love that idea and then that was kind
of what i was speaking to was like the
things that are
getting into supernatural yeah but i
guess even in that sense we still have
some
kind of synchronicities that are a
little
supernatural that are beautiful yeah in
your story what would have happened if
you weren't there
would that kid have had the maybe the
same thing who knows you know what i'm
saying again
or or not um not a controlled test
exactly
yeah so um but yeah i mean just going
back to miracles and how
how they happen like what did they
understand like uh
you know jesus talked to the wind all
the time he talked to the wind and the
waves in the water and he commanded
the winds and waves and people were
blown away like who is this man
that even the winds and waves obeyed him
and you're talking about
you know avatar and uh earth bending and
fire bending and water bending and
i got friends who literally practiced
and they're pretty good at going out and
getting the wind to blow and move
pinwheels and like they're really got it
on camera and they teach people how to
do it and it's like
i wonder if their connection with the
elements was a little bit stronger
than what we have today you know they
they understood that that
nature was a spirit and they had a
relationship with it and these are some
conversations that we're having now they
had a relationship
with the uh with the rain they had a
relationship with the wind and the waves
and the in the ground and the trees and
stuff and they knew that it was alive
and it was a living being
and so when they talk to them or
commanded it because they whether they
understand their authority they was able
to see things happen
the problem we get into now like i'm for
miracles i want them to happen
but i'm a healthy skeptic as well
because
with the notion of miracles and
religions and signs and wonders and
things like that which i still believe
in
but you you deal with a lot of people
faking them
um and and in the religious realm like
that'll that'll
sell tickets buddy that'll that'll give
that'll give a hefty donation
if someone gets healed or stands out of
a wheelchair
or arm i've seen aren't straight arms go
turn straight and they but they were
fake healings they were set up and
there was a a decoy if you will
in the audience and so when it runs for
us looking for a sign and a wonder and a
miracle
we're easily tricked because we want
them to happen so i think there's a
healthy skepticism
that has to be there but the healthy
skepticism i think allows you to
really have a true mystical experience
because you're not trying to make it up
like you really
want this to be legit and for me it's
it's allowed me to step into some really
cool
experiences that changed my life
yeah i appreciate that a lot and no i
think we
that healthy skepticism is important
because of that
charlatan kind of reason um and then
there's a are you familiar with a book
called the adventures or it's illusions
the adventures of reluctant messiah
i have not uh oh it's an absolutely
amazing book
um about like a modern-day messiah
uh who
he was being the messiah he was like
healing people and you know performing
miracles and stuff
and the the the masses
just were like just throwing themselves
at him
in the sense of saying like he'll heal
me you know
give me blessings give me this give me
that and none of them wanted to learn
how to be a messiah they all wanted him
to solve all of their problems
for them you know or one of him yeah
wanted him to solve their problems
so uh so eventually he's like
screw this i'm done and and he basically
like he
i don't know he materializes himself or
gets himself like a a
plane and he just like you know flies
across the
uh across you know north america just
like giving out plane rides and being
like a normal person so he's like a
reluctant messiah
and then he meets someone the story the
story is basically about him meeting
someone
uh and it's told from the perspective of
that someone who like meets this messiah
and he starts learning like
what it means to be a messiah and how it
work how performing miracles works
and they they do this really funny thing
where they like at one point both walk
on water
and then swim in the earth like they
sink into the earth and start swimming
in it as if it's liquid
um and but it's a really good example
though of like
where that mass consciousness is at in
the sense of wanting someone else to
save them
um not being able or willing for it yeah
not being
able or willing to really go inside and
do the work yourself
to evolve your consciousness and and
reach that level
being able to do the miracles yourself
yeah
that's the big difference there and
that's what um those are the different
that's the two differences for the the
christians that i that i
encounter are the ones who you know
jesus did it he saved me which is good
like i'm with it it helps to have the
external power but
you have to you it the story is not real
if you don't
put yourself in it like if you don't he
says you got to take up your cross and
follow me like you got to do what i did
you got to love the unlovable you have
to show grace you have to go out there
and do good deeds and do good works and
like
if you don't then it's kind of all in
vain
you know so um those are the two
differences there with with christians
and christian mystics or spiritual
christians i guess if you will
who who know that they have feel like
they have some stake in it as well like
that they have a say-so in it and it's
you know such a transformation that
they've encountered that
they would be selfish to hold it in and
keep it from people whatever that
even if that is a a plant ceremony and
that's what it was for me
like when i got converted and became a
christian like it changed my life and i
was telling everybody
you know because it was really beautiful
and um and you couldn't shut me up
i pissed people off you know and then
now i'm a christian
who has a plant ceremony journey and it
changed my life
even more and allowed me to to um
to to step in and walk in my purpose and
uh
be in the moment and be present things
that you won't learn
it's in the bible now that i'm i've
studied other paths and i go back and
read the scriptures i'm like oh
damn that's what he's talking about like
there's a bunch of stuff that you can't
interpret just you need to go back and
read egyptian books
you need to read other philosophies and
then read the bible and okay
that makes sense because they actually
had a practice that embodied what
they're talking about
that came from the mystery schools and
you don't know that unless you
at least studied somewhat in mystery
schools and so it teaches you how
how to discern those things and so it
just becomes real for you and so i begin
to
do the same thing with plant medicines
and and
i don't know preach but just share it
hey man this is you
this can help you you know and so if
it's anything that someone thinks can
help
you know and i would if i would to give
you a different um
antidote or hold it back because i don't
want because i think you won't like me
whether that's my faith in christ and
that experience and
connecting with jesus or or plant
ceremonies i'm
i'm in this weird in between
you know because the christians they
hear about plant medicines and spirit
teachers and
you know ethereans and aliens and ufos
and a lot of them are drawn
off but it's it's uh there's a lot of
people waking up and coming out of
religion asking the bigger questions and
so they tune into podcasts like these
yeah definitely and i think it's really
valuable man like what you do with this
podcast and what you're sharing
is it's like a necessary voice for those
for exactly that audience like those
people who are starting to maybe
question things but like maybe one foot
in the door one foot out like not sure
what to believe
you know because we've been conditioned
from such a young age to believe
very definitively um certain you know
belief systems and whatnot so
awakening's hard man and there's people
having it in in religion
and it's hard you feel like you're going
crazy the majority feel like
nobody i have nobody to talk to that's
bad when you feel like this entire world
you don't have nobody to confide in
and most of them they can't even confide
in their god or christ anymore because
they've been told that they're a heretic
or because you believe that or because
you did that then you're kicked out
of this thing that you didn't even let
me in
you know what i'm saying so um just
being there for i'm just trying to be
that voice
that i needed when i was a younger
person having those experiences and
didn't have any
and i would listen to podcasts and i
would call in and ask questions and
what is this what is that what is this
and so just trying to be that voice for
the younger version of myself and i'm
sure
a part of you is doing the same like
when you were younger
instead of watching home star what if
you were watching spirit science you
know what i'm saying like where would
you be now
that's you know i don't know if um this
is just a pierced
miraculous synchronicity or if you
actually saw the video but this morning
i posted a video called a letter to my
younger self or a quantum letter to my
younger self
and it's literally like a 10 minute
piece about like if i could send a
letter
through time to a multi-dimensional
version of like a young version of me
this is what i would say and and i it's
like it's literally like what you just
described
that's really funny it works again man
i'll go ahead and let you go i enjoyed
it
i'm up to do it down to do it whenever
you want let me know
bro and uh much success and thank you
for everything that you're doing because
you're inspiring a lot of people and
doing a lot of good
good deeds and good works and you can
trace it back to the awakening that
people say all i gotta do is mention
your name everybody knows who
you are and what you bring to the table
so it's just a blessing and honor to
have you on my platform
hanging out thank you so much for having
me truth this was great i this is really
fun i love doing this and let's do it
again soon and
you know we got the spirit science
podcast coming up so let's get you on
that
on that show let's do it make it happen
bro thanks so much man
thanks have a good one all right you too
shalom shalom peace
jordan river ladies and gentlemen spirit
science
you know who he is if you don't google
it now and uh
make sure yeah let's check out the um
you know the pc did about the
letter to my younger self um
that's what it's about that's why i do
it i'm i look at
look into this camera this little webcam
here and i talk to that i go back in
time and i talk to that younger version
of myself
look man get your stuff together do it
man don't care what they say
you can do it it's in you good stuff and
shout out to everybody hanging out with
us in
in the chat a bunch of uh really cool
conversation really cool
comments and chats here amanda uh
savayam baba cricks see you there
fred so many people rainer
um adam starseed shout out
it's been really good um man i wanna uh
just a little update too um the men's
retreat is sold out
men's retreat sold out for anybody who
was wanting to come and get in on our
august men's retreat it's already sold
out there may be
something open up at the end of the year
we may do one more fourth quarter fourth
quarter pressure
may do one more min uh men's retreat or
retreat maybe co-ed who knows
we'll see what happens may do one more
treat at the end of the year
so any of you guys who was not able to
get in on any of the first ones or if
you
came to one of the first ones and you
want to get in on one of our retreats
make sure you hit me up and we'll
we'll make it happen um also too like
we released the homeless video again and
uh uh
that was just a fun experience thank you
again to everybody who donated to that
um and i released the video and people
are already donating to
see another one they want to see another
one and i'm ready to do another one so
um if you want to um give to that you
want to see another video and have your
name mentioned in the video giving shout
out because
man money money is interesting and um
money's a tool
you know we need to look at money
differently uh money comes and goes
it's like you know you can never those
who seek after money will never have
enough
but looking at it as a resource to to
get you
places to to to as an exchange of of of
energy
um your relationship with money changes
your relationship with mammon
it's not your god you know it's not the
money is not evil people quote all the
time you know money is the root of all
evil that's not the scripture
the scripture says is the love of money
is the root of all evil people will do
inconspicuous dark things to trick you
to get money out of you
such as performing fake miracles in a
church to get you to give
that's demonic that's the highest form
of dark
occult witchcraft there is is pulling
trickery to deceive to get money from
people
so um change your relationship on on how
you see money and see finances
money comes and goes as long as you're
just you allow it to flow to you and
through you keep giving
it's going to keep coming god loves a
cheerful giver the scripture says and as
long as you're not
trying to hoard it scarcity understand
like
have that relationship with the change
give it away as much as you receive
sow into good ground you're trading into
something
you're sowing into something i believe
you get a i really do like
i believe you get a harvest back on it i
believe that you
share in it i really do um
store up for yourselves treasures in
heaven i believe that when you give
anything it doesn't even have to be
financially but but financially
it applies as well when you trade into
something
that this would would not be possible if
you didn't
now i have some trade in that i have
some stake
or stock in what you're doing
spiritually it's called we break it down
to
dealing with the law of benefits
manifestation but more specifically the
law of compensation look it up
understand it the scriptures are all
there's so many bible scriptures talking
about this stuff and again
if you don't read these these this other
material
about universal law and you just take it
for what it is it could be hard to
understand
but i believe there's an investment when
you give i believe that it comes back
shaken down pressed together and running
over
and god will pour out a blessing the
universe will pour out a blessing
so much so that you can't even contain
it you'll have too much
unless you hold it up because if your
cup is already full
you're not gonna there's you don't have
anywhere to receive
but you have to give in order to receive
this is how it works man
do it try it money comes and goes man
it ain't no thing so i appreciate
everybody who you know supports this
the podcast but then again with the with
the homeless thing
that you know was a few dollars from a
lot of different people
but that really blessed that dude man
and uh
and changed this day i don't know if it
changed his life let's hope
i feel like there's no way you can
forget that no matter who you are
i don't care if you wasn't homeless i
don't care if you were you're making
decent money
or working your butt off and somebody
just picks you up and just
spends a thousand dollars on you like
out of the blue
random i never i'd never forget that
it's a miracle
you are the miracle miracles do happen
they are real you are a miracle
you can become some like he was toying
with the idea of us even introducing
ourselves with angel names
hey man my name is gabriel this is
michael hey what's up man
because my name is irrelevant right it
doesn't matter who i am
because you may not and people are like
i hope you follow up with them i hope
you become friends and i hope you
like i get a lot of that i hope you see
it through i hope you help them get off
the street no it ain't about that
it's about a random act of kindness
a random act of kindness that there's no
way you can forget
and it doesn't matter who did it where
it came from but uh thank you guys for
it was a vision i had i put it out there
wasn't even something really big like a
big deal
it was just like some you know i've seen
those videos and wanted to make one
myself and
knew that i didn't have that kind of
money to just go out and do that by
myself and say hey if you guys would
like to see it
let's do it and people gave generously
to it and they're still giving because
they want to see more videos anyway
if you haven't seen it go check out my
homeless video on my page just scroll
down
it's like blessing a homeless person
homeless makeover i think we called it
and uh we're gonna do more and um it's
gonna be fun
god loves to cheer forgiver um again i
it wasn't my money that i was giving i
got to be in the video you got to see me
but that wasn't my money i gave
i i did put in on i put in like a
hundred dollars i don't think i was the
first donation
of a hundred bucks but um you know of my
personal money
but you know you sharing that man that
blessing trace it back
trace it back
and sometimes it's money sometimes it's
not it's helping people i remember
so many years i didn't have any money to
help i didn't have any money to give
like five dollars was a lot of money i
remember
being in places where like i couldn't
even stop and get a soft drink at the
store because i had no money my daughter
is
in the car thirsty when she was younger
begging for
something to drink and i'm just
frustrated because i can't i don't have
any money
i can't stop and get you a water i can't
stop and get you a coke or whatever it
was
chocolate milk tummy yummy
you know but your relationship with
money has to change
you ain't supposed to be out here
begging get your stuff together change
that relationship
jordan has ways for you to do that it it
really has to happen
um people listen they've
they're vicious man paul was a tempt
maker
apostle paul he he made tense because
people wouldn't he wouldn't ask or
people wouldn't give
so he had to make tents he lived in them
tents too
so what do you have to make
are you a tent maker make a tent what do
you do you you're a painter you're
artist what uh what do you have to offer
do it there's so many scriptures about
um you're using your gifts and your
abilities to make money
that your your your gifts and your
abilities will will make room for you
and they will put you in front of great
men your ability to to
to tell fortunes to to when i say tell
fortunes
interpret dreams read poems i don't know
what it what i don't know what you're
going to read artists
look at somebody and just know and just
know things about them your
gifts will put you in front of great
people
take you in front of kings
that's a promise the scripture says i've
given you the ability
to gain wealth or why you broke hey
you can't give nothing that you don't
have you can
i mean going back to the faith without
works is dead
praying for you man okay when you have
the ability to help that person
money's deep we're gonna be talking
about it a lot more
not when i don't want to see nobody out
here broke busted and disgusted
there's things that you have in your
reach
right now boom cell phone you can do all
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there are people
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we might do a physical concert i don't
know but we're gonna do a concert and
i'm letting
you guys pick all the songs whatever
song you want to hear
patron only my book is here get it
spirit realm
angels demons spirits and the
sovereignty of god
let's let uh jordan maxwell talk a
little bit about what's in it
elementals are different elementals
are really strange i've seen
elementals i've had one-on-one
experience with elementals i don't know
exactly what they
are how i know what to call them
but i have i've had incidents where i
have been
in the company of elementals they're
spirit creatures
like fairies and on the ira show very
big i'm talking about the
the different fairies and the different
magical little creatures
leprechauns i have seen gnomes and
leprechauns
and fairies these are what we call the
elementals
they they are legitimately life forms
but they don't live in the world you do
they live in a different kind of world
an elemental world
but we call them the elementals it's uh
it's quite a subject
life outside of being a human what is
life like
in the spirit world and that's what
you're talking about in your book
i explore these concepts and more in my
new book
spirit realm angels demons spirits
and the sovereignty of god forward by
jordan maxwell
available now at truthseeker.com
well you heard the man get your copy
peace and shalom love you guys we'll do
it again
tomorrow peace
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