Osho,Tantra, Sexual and Spiritual Energy | Catherine Auman
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almond Katherine how are you I'm doing
great definitely really really good to
have you you cover a lot of stuff on
your website you've been doing this for
a while and there's a bunch of stuff
that we talk about on here that I'm sure
we can get into but first this just kind
of give people a background about what
you bring to the table and some of your
credentials and who you are if you want
to do that sure I'd love to I am a
spiritual psychotherapist in practice
here in Los Angeles and I've been doing
that for more than thirty years what
that means to me that means a lot of
different things to a lot of different
people but I am a licensed
psychotherapist but I started my work
studying transpersonal psychology which
is the study of not only mainstream
psychology but higher levels of
consciousness and so we study not only
Western psychology but Eastern religions
Native American traditions shamanism we
include that as all just as valid as
Western psychology so at that viewpoint
I work a lot with people in the yoga
communities meditators intuitive's
and past and and that's and I have at
the transpersonal counseling center here
and lately we've been also working with
psychedelic integration for people who
are having psychedelic experiences maybe
want a little help integrating that back
into their lives so these are my
passions as it sounds like they are for
your listeners
and so I'm happy not really happy to
meet you guys yeah definitely
um that kind of is a good segue for
something I found out today for some
reason and I know people have hit me up
in my inbox and told me in the past but
I just found out today that um or last
night rather that Amanita muscaria is
illegal in the US I thought it was
illegal the max I don't know the answer
to that yeah I would be surprised to
prove legal and everything that I'm
funny why are there everything that I'm
finding online is showing that Amanita
muscaria is legal now you know the
golden teachers and all these other
strains of mushrooms which we've used in
the past are illegal but for some reason
everything I'm finding on that I had
some friends tell me this in the past
and I just didn't believe them but I've
been doing the research and I can't find
anything online saying that it's illegal
really interesting so when it comes to
psychedelics do you have you had
personal experiences with these yes I
have I experimented quite a bit in my
30s and I did it probably about 30 times
and then recently have been getting in
more into MDMA and I'm doing some micro
dosing so these experiences have really
I have a couple videos on my website and
on my youtube channel about how I really
feel that under the right circumstances
these can really enhance consciousness
and help people grow and understand
higher states of consciousness and of
course they are illegal we have to make
that disclaimer but that they're often
if they're used with the right set in
setting you guys have probably talked
about that before
and so now there's a lot of guided work
being done for particular psychological
issues that's very exciting so I see it
as valid
I support maps which is working on legal
research showing the benefits it's the
potential benefits in these substances
and
I certainly don't want to advocate for
people doing them irresponsibly but I
think that they could teach you a lot
about joy and and expanding
consciousness definitely I've had some
pretty profound encounters if I mean I
can count them on one hand when it comes
to having a I guess a hero dose of going
in but it was definitely a life-changing
experience and kind of doing that life
review getting over the trauma trying to
find the next thing that you're supposed
to do in life and almost how to do it
and kind of mapping that out and what
that looks like some really profound
experiences that have actually changed
my life on like the deeper hero dose
level but when it comes to the micro
dosing what is your experience with that
how does that make you feel if you would
just take a micro dose and how much is
that would you suggest is it either I
know a lot of people say either a gram
or less what is actually don't know the
measurements I looked it up at Jim
Fatima's book which is the psychedelic
Explorers guide which I'd recommend
anybody who's curious so I don't know
the actual amounts because I have a
little spray bottle that was given to me
and you just take one spray oh wow so
it's a very small dose you may may just
notice a little speediness a little a
little more focus a little more just a
tiny or a sense of the odd mystery and
wonder of the everyday world would you
would you say that you feel more
connected to things to your emotions to
life in general
is that does that make you feel that way
that sounds that sounds like an accurate
description it helps you get the to know
it tune in and then for me the purpose
of that is to more and more train my
nervous system to feel that connection
all the time so we can do that through
meditation we can do that through a
micro goes we can do that through
attention where we put our attention
just if we put our attention on both
connected states that we felt and try to
bring that into the everyday life yeah
that I believe that's the purpose that's
the goal I've said it in the past
mistakenly and I know a lot
people say it as well because there's
people who were scared of it because
it's illegal because they don't want to
give their mind over to another
substance or whatever the case is
there's there's different fears and I
think there's healthy fears in general
right you don't want to just run into
something headfirst but I've said the
phrase that you can reach those same
psychedelic states through meditation or
through Kundalini Yoga and I've caught
myself because they're not the same
right the psychedelic realms are
different states of consciousness that
you that you access may be privy just
with that substance maybe you're talking
about some of the Eastern philosophies
and things like that Native American
shamanism Indian that there's different
spirits that are attached to these
plants that you actually commune with in
build with over time tobacco is one as
well different plant medicines and
things like that would you say that's
accurate that you that it's it's so it's
a different experience than just you
know I can reach those heightened states
of states by simply you know fasting and
you don't say meditation or whatever
it's a different it's a it's a great
question I with my I haven't meditated
really high states I've just done more
like daily meditation my sense of it is
that they're all roads all very
different roads leading to the same end
so if we set out today and started
driving towards New York City some of us
might go through the Grand Canyon and
some of us might go through Kansas and
some of us might take a detour and go
through Santa Fe New Mexico and I think
that all of those roads are going to
give us different experiences but we're
all going to end up in New York City so
I think that the higher state of
consciousness is the goal there's many
different paths to get there but I don't
think psychedelics are for everyone yeah
I if someone's really afraid
I think they should honor that fear I
know in my own life I sensed when I was
younger that I wasn't really
psychologically stable enough to use
psychedelic drugs and I was right and I
waited until I felt like I was
stable enough and I think it's very good
that I did that and I think people with
psychological issues maybe their lives
aren't going too well might not be the
best time to experiment with those kinds
of substances I think it's I think if
we're afraid then we should honor that
fear and and pay attention to what the
message of the fear is necessarily just
a discount it yeah I agree I think
they're there for a reason you know and
you have to kind of get over your own
hurdles and stuff too I think it could
be it's not always a negative thing
where fear comes in like I believe in
healthy fears as well whenever you're
talking about studying different
philosophies from around the world
especially in the East and things like
that maybe looking into and you said
shamanism Hinduism Buddhism and things
like that and there's different
principles and things like that that
stick out to you right and I think a lot
of us right now are kind of in this
stage of I guess what we would call
syncretism where we study these
religions studied these spiritual
practices and things and see what links
us together what makes us the same
versus what makes us separate or
different and to see the things that we
like in each one and kind of building
our own philosophies out of I'll take
this from here that from here and this
and kind of make my own thing with it
sometimes those people in those
religions we may get offended that
you're using their terminology or you
using their prayer beads or anything
like that was that something that you've
kind of did with all of your studying a
self CAI like this but I don't like the
dogma I'm gonna keep that or whatever I
mean I've that's kind of what I've did
with my spirituality over the years of
study and just keep the good stuff let
the bad stuff go is that kind of what
happens when you're studying all of the
philosophies is that healthy or does
that lead to confusion where are we at
with that I would agree with you on that
I think there's a great phrase in
12-step programs which is take what you
need and leave the rest and I think that
whatever I think that we're really lucky
to live in a day and age when we can
choose when we can sample a lot of
things
we can't see what feel what's right for
us and I think as we experience higher
states of consciousness we really start
moving into whatever promotes love
whatever promotes connection this is
what's true yes if it's my way over
everyone else and everyone else is wrong
that's not to me leading in the right
direction but if it's like I accept more
and more people I feel loving towards
more and more people I feel the
connection with myself with all the
other beings on the planet animals
nature existence this to me is a sign
that we're go moving in the right
direction yeah and that's kind of with
you know each one of those philosophies
there's different sects within the
religions and things like that some of
them are more open some of them are more
closed off you know and then for any of
them to feel like theirs is the only way
it kind of gets into you know just some
muddy ground or whatever to think that
this is the only way this is the only
way to God the only path to God so I
come from a you know judeo-christian
background and I definitely come from
that I mean that's kind of like you know
here and here here in the West I mean
you know the majority of people you know
are Christian so when we're talking
about some of this stuff out of out of
the East or these different philosophies
or whatever people feel like they have
it figured out but the same dogmas and
stuff that I've experienced in
Christianity you'll find people
obviously I guess the Abrahamic
religions but some of the other more
which you would think would be an open
philosophy some of those people feel
like they have it all figured out and
everybody else is wrong as well right
exactly well I live here in Los Angeles
was kind of the capital of the Yoga New
Age yeah I've seen and there's what I
would call fundamental is fundamentalist
New Agers of like you know my coconut
milk is purer than your coconut milk and
you're wrong and so I think
fundamentalism can come in any garb
where we're used to talking about
fundamentalist Christians but we have I
think fundamentalism I'm not sure the
meaning of the word but to me that means
my way is right and everyone else is
wrong that's just coming from ego yeah
that's just I'm better than
you I'm better than everyone else that's
an ego position that can get quite
dangerous yeah I wanted to talk to you
as well cuz you got a lot of work out
there about Tantra I've studied it
somewhat haven't really practiced it I
know a lot about sexual energy I know a
lot about the anatomy and connection and
things like that so I wanted to talk to
you about that I and I have to be a
hundred percent honest I'm kind of a
little scared of the subject a little
bit when it comes to just some of the
stuff I've seen online maybe just with
any religion or any type of spiritual
practice you're gonna find people who
take it so far I've seen some weird
stuff online looking up Tantra practices
and really weird so what people are
rubbing on each other and these big
groups of like orgies and stuff in anger
lines like kind of scares me a little
bit so I was kind of if you're like I
really want to have this conversation
but I'm curious right because I
understand sexual energy I understand
the power of coming together I
understand the power of intercourse
right so I wanted to talk to you a
little bit about Tantra to try to get
you to explain your your position on it
and what it means to you some of that
stuff scares me as well I just have to
say so good yeah yeah sometimes like oh
we're talking about this oh Lord
under dr. fundamentalist I actually come
from what's called neo Tantra I come out
of the tradition of Osho who was
Rajneesh who some of your listeners may
have had a unfortunate encounter with on
the Netflix show wild world country
yes which wasn't really about ocean so
much as with some criminals who were
following him but anyway he was that guy
in white but he thought he was a Tantra
master and he taught that Tantra he said
they're basically if you get down to the
root of it there's two types of
spiritualities there's the type where
all is sacred and there's the type where
this is sacred and this isn't yeah so
most like the judeo-christian that we
grew up in is very much this is sacred
and this isn't so basically you grow up
being told basically I was taught that
if it feels good it's bad yeah yeah if
it's fun it's bad yeah so you know I
think most of us have kind of have
rejected that and and so but you see
this even subtly here in the New Age
movement you see you know this coconut
water is good and this coconut wire's
bad and you know you're gonna go to
heaven if you fast and it not if you eat
and not if you enjoy your life and sex
was basically bad and all this sort of
right and wrong sort of philosophy yeah
a no show taught that at its core the
Tantra philosophy is that all is sacred
and this is actually hard for the mind
to grasp on because the mind is always
trying to divide and compartmentalize
analyze in the heart however and in
these expanded states of consciousness
we get into the place where we actually
experience not think about the actual
experience oh all is sacred
ah this raindrop ah this human being
sitting next to me this flower this we
start to get a higher up perspective
that even some things that seem wrong
with the world
maybe that's all just part of the
unfolding of the planet and so from this
position of all is sacred sex is also
sacred and sex is sacred is a very
unusual concept for anybody in
judeo-christian yeah upbringing any sort
of fundamentalist upbringing in this
very scary and frightening and early ton
tree because we're actually burned alive
and killed for celebrating that sex also
is sacred sex has obviously made people
that makes people pay attention it's
really only a small part of a tantric
philosophy okay
so so if is it that all is sacred or is
it the sacred energy or tapping into
that energy would be Tantra and it's
just sounds a part of that as well if we
go to the
or and we see that all is sacred and sex
is sacred then we start approaching sex
as a way to tap into the sacred and to
go to higher levels of consciousness yes
no some people in the West have gotten
ahold of this and they've started here's
here's all these techniques for higher
orgasms and so on yeah that's not that's
okay but that's not actually what we
would call really a tantric approach so
I was lived in a Tantra ashram in India
for a year and for example we would meet
a man and a woman or two lovers of
either any persuasion and we would
attempt to be in this moment sharing
love whether that's sexual or not
regardless of the Western mind which is
like I could only share it love or a
sexual energy with this person based on
how they look or how much money they
make or all this criteria of the mind
that in a tantric perspective actually
doesn't make any sense so it starts from
this let's share love let's just sit and
and see how much love is possible in
this moment so it doesn't so then by
expanding into these states of more
loves and more in a positive approach to
sex then sex becomes something where
it's sharing energy instead of trying to
reach this goal of orgasm okay
and now is is this what we would call an
orgy or something well we didn't
everybody participating or just these
two people and everybody's there
supporting I mean how does that how does
that work okay so we would have we would
have various different exercises so we
didn't really ever have orgies just to
have orgies there was there was a sense
of in fact if there was ever anything
that was like an orgy I was out of there
but here's an example of an exercise but
we would do certain exercises for
example I think this is very beautiful
and I talked about this even when I talk
to conservative audience
we would be blindfolded we'd have maybe
30 people in the room half male and half
female and we would be blindfold and we
would reach out and we would and the
blindfolds today we let's say I would
reach out and touch your arm and I would
just in that moment feel what's the
energy of this human being about being
able to see what's the energy of this
human being does this feel like friend
because it's still like my brother does
this feel like what's the difference can
I even tell through the touch of this
arm as a male or female does this feel
like nervous does this do so we learned
to start sensing the physicality of
another person without that prejudice of
sight and we started learning so much
about other human beings and how to pick
up people's energy through sensing
through touch and this later on would
enhance the sexual experience but in
just in that moment learning to relate
to the world through this higher state
of consciousness of using all of the
senses in the West we're told that the
eyes are the only thing of value more
and more it's just like who's sexually
attracted to us more and more as being
told it has to look like somebody who's
in a music video you know and getting
away from that idea to sense where is my
actual attraction with the person where
could I share the most love the most
sexual energy on a on a intuitive loving
level so did it almost teach you how to
type into your ESP extrasensory
perception to like be able to pick up on
who this person is
I mean the touch is one thing and
there's not really a lot that you can
feel it's you know except just our body
or whatever but so it was something you
would feel within maybe and with your
intuition that you pick up on people to
know what to offer or definitely
insights on that it's a matter of
training that you're what you call ESP
actually becomes your second nature as
you start practicing approaching other
people in this way in a tantric way
which is that
I'm attempting to already love everyone
how can I feel your essence in this
moment instead of that instead of what
society has told me I'm supposed to be
looking for I've actually written a book
on this called Tantra dating for
listeners who might be single about how
to go out and how to date from a tantric
perspective rather than a mainstream
perspective which is do you meet this
list of criteria like do you look like
this do you have this car do you make
this much money do you dress cool enough
for me which is a very ego face versus a
spiritual base of let's meet first in
love now is there any downfalls to this
or any warnings any people who maybe
know how to manipulate you know these
type of people who hang out or kind of
are drawn to these circles where they
know people are open that they may be
able to take advantage of people or even
opening up your energy to strangers is
there any warning to that or you pretty
much protect it can you does that person
have a piece of do they walk away with
the piece of you how does that work is
there any warnings there I know what
you're talking about because there's a
lot of people who hang around all
spiritual circles who are yeah really
spiritually well so I think this is part
of being on the planet Earth is that
we're always how much do we open up and
especially as we start growing as
spiritual people sometimes we have a
false notion that this means we should
just open up to everyone and we do need
to make sure that were for example these
tantric calm exercises were very safe
groups the doors were closed there was a
safety cream how many people was like
the majority of wondering I've seen so
what I haven't finished it you know I'm
saying the documentary but a good bit
how many people were like involved it
like the highest numbers well at the top
at the Osho Ashram there were at you
know half a million people at some point
like I don't know I don't know how many
were actually at the place in Oregon I'm
not sure yeah but I mean in our little
private groups we would have between 12
and 50
but it was all it was people who already
pre-qualified as being spiritual it was
people who are already going through
exercises of love and trust so I think
that if for a listener who's wanting to
start to look into Tantra I'd say look
for teachers where there is a lot of
love and trust established not just go
and learn how to have a higher orgasm
nothing wrong with that it's not
particularly a tantric approach where
you would it would be a good idea to get
vulnerable and and take some risks
yeah there's I've seen videos out there
now where like energy healers and people
who do Reiki and things like that they
will they have this thing out there
where they try to make you have an
orgasm without touching you like being
able to move the energy and uh you know
be able to UM arouse you without even
touching you was anything like that
going on I move in energy without
touching or is it more about the
physicality with well I found that's
happening to me spontaneously when I was
in the very high consciousness
environment I started just I would be
sitting in a chair and I would have an
orgasm that doesn't that happen to me in
the West but in that very rarefied
environment where everyone was working
on higher consciousness so I do know
that that's possible in the Tantra that
I study and I teach orgasm is not the
goal higher consciousness is the goal in
fact having what we've really found and
what we teach is that having a goal of
having an orgasm keeps you out of the
present moment because you're looking
towards the future you're using sex to
try to get somewhere you're trying to
get to this place of orgasm but this can
be very frustrating for women especially
and for men who are trying to help women
have orgasms and sex in a lot of cases
now in the West has become although it
may be an enjoyable experience it's also
become very frustrating because
everyone's focused in on this goal of
orgasm and whether women are having it
whether they're not how soon we're
having it how this and that and this
creates a frustration into sex that
actually
defeats the purpose of using sex for a
higher consciousness my lover and I can
make love for four hours
never focusing on orgasm and all during
that time the energy is building the
love that's happening between us is a
very higher frequency expands our
ability for consciousness the lovemaking
goes on and on and it's not only just a
physical of making it's going into
spiritual realms in this way so this is
actually possible for people it's never
actually talked about in the mainstream
which is one reason I wanted to really
come on your show was to say that
nobody's talking about the possibility
of sex without orgasm at all or
infrequently or just if it happens
rather than the mainstream sex has
really drawn people and I'm sorry like
it has to end in an orgasm it has to end
in an orgasm and that that's the point
and the goal and as spiritual people
know the journey is important not the
goal right we hear this a lot from
spiritual teachers but we never we know
it's never occurred to us unless we've
gotten out of the mainstream about sex
that perhaps that's true with sex as
well perhaps the lovemaking is more
important than the goal of orgasm that's
all that's all kind of put down and
called foreplay as if that's lesser
that's one lesser thing to get to the
orgasm instead of maybe the point
setting sex Magik in a lot of deep stuff
in like masonry and things like that
harnessing the power of the chi there's
a lot of stuff out there where they get
aroused to the point where they're about
to Jackie you know ejaculate and then
they cut it off and they're able to
harness that energy that they rose the
semen to such a level and it gives them
spiritual energy and spiritual powers
and you know things like that or did
Joss was is that some of that at all
where it's not about the ejaculation but
getting there and then
having control over it almost like
you're able to tell it no or whatever
yes what my boyfriend says is that it's
even more tantric than that which is
that he gets to that point and then
instead of cutting it off and saying no
he relaxes at that moment and through
that getting up to that peak and then
relaxing there's no harsh cutting off
but then there's the ability to go into
a higher state of consciousness and
follow the sex energy even further and
further and this creates levels of bliss
that are not possible with just getting
to orgasm and stopping you get you
you've got that so use it as a vehicle
it's a vehicle for higher consciousness
it's an actually a vehicle and a
spiritual path which to me is a lot more
enjoyable than sitting alone meditating
I come here with my partner meditating
insects yeah because our consciousness
is just like in meditation we're in the
present moment focusing on the feeling
focusing on the love focusing on the
energy the breathing and you'll start
you actually start having you can have
visions you can have messages come to
you from staying in these higher states
of arousal and not letting it all go
with the orgasm which is what mainstream
sex is telling it was the point and you
haven't heard of any health risks by
doing that I have not I've tried to
research that I tried to research if
there were anything negative now
sometimes later in the day you might
feel a little congested energy and the
genitals which means that you haven't
helped it move through the rest of the
body and then sometimes you can do some
massage and move to energy through the
body so that you don't want to keep it
congested in the journals but you want
it to move throughout the whole body
yeah there's a lot of study out there
now that is coming out talking about
like people who were like addicted to
masturbation and they just don't have
that that uh you know get up and go
about themselves they don't have that
creativity they're like wasting their
life force almost as they're doing that
and there's a bunch of study out there
now a best that's linked to chronic you
know the pornography addiction and
having that that drive and I know like
if I mean I mean all of these practices
talk about it a little bit interesting
thing is there's a if you understand
that this and then you read the Bible
there's some stuff in the Bible that
actually kind of talked about this too
about saving your energy and and and not
wasting it and I know like if we look at
boxers or MMA fighters for the most part
the whole month that they have if they
have a fight coming up the whole months
they won't be sexually active at all
because they don't want to you know
release that that uh that I guess
tension maybe that builds up and that
power that they're able to harness yeah
and again I think that's about the
ejaculation and then are not taught that
to be able to raise that energy and then
not ejaculate and share it with a
beloved is actually a higher level of
development so I work with some guys who
are addicted to porn or sex addicts and
I believe that that's a frustrated
desire for sharing with a partner I
don't think anyone really given the
choice of masturbating by themselves or
making beautiful love with a partner I
think everyone would prefer a beautiful
lovemaking time and so I feel like these
poor people who are caught in this
addiction if they were able to part of
my work as helping them open their heart
so they can attractable of it and make
love all day instead of instead of doing
it making love to yourself all day share
that create more love on the planet
sexual love is meant to be shared it's
meant to be juicy and wonderful and
without frustration and the way the
mainstream culture is teaching us about
sex is leading to a lot of lonely
frustration so for people listening I
know you kind of touched on it a little
bit
it doesn't have to be necessarily Tantra
practice with the group of people this
is someone this is something that can be
done in the privacy of your own home
with your spouse and studying these
techniques and things right oh
absolutely the whole group thing is kind
of sensational and isn't really that
much a part of it you can start by just
even if you're pleasuring yourself you
can just start with focusing in on not
having the goal to be orgasm but to be
present in the moment without a goal of
focusing on pleasure this is very
different than what the mainstream
teaches use focus on pleasure pleasure
pleasure and if you get close to orgasm
practice relaxing and then when you're
with your partner making love you can
focus on changing the idea that anything
that's not orgasmic is for plates not
for play it's draw play and focus on
being in the moment meditatively with
making love and let go of the goal of
orgasm you can orgasm at the end if you
want but start training yourself to be a
better lover by focusing on what's
happening at this moment instead of
trying to get somewhere this is pure
Tantra and it's actually meditation
through sex and meditation as we're
talking about earlier in the program
it's one of the routes to higher
consciousness so we can use sex to get
to higher consciousness by meditating
while we have sex bringing a meditative
approach to sex instead of using it as a
race card trying to get to that to the
end of the track so which religious text
really covers this to most would this
would be some of the Vedic texts and
things like that or have you found this
in other cultures as well
Osho talks up a lot about the particular
texts themselves I can't really
pronounce them and I don't know them
well enough there's a something like
there's some Sanskrit texts the Vedas in
the Bhagavad Gita and things like that
and there's particular texts from
Tibetan Buddhism the sera hua was
actually the original teacher of Tantra
and
talks about this meditate while with a
partner while in sex so a lot of this
stuff actually came from Osho so a lot
of the text on it that we have now and
the information came from him it's a
really good place to start because he
explains it in language that we can
understand and it's really this idea of
become more meditative and sex instead
of trying to reach some goal and the
West as we know as your listeners know
is all about reaching the goal of more
money more stuff more than that and as
anyone who's a truth seeker anyone who's
a spiritual person is going I think
there's more to life than that and all
the spiritual teachers say the truth is
here in the present moment and that
means not focusing on the end goal but
on how we get there so if we bring this
approach to sex we're not focusing on it
in some end goal of orgasm we're
focusing on what's in this present
moment what's the pleasure that I'm
having now and when you can really get
in the place a present moment with
pleasure
it starts expanding it's so do you think
as someone who is on that that that
truth seeker journey that path of
awakening and they're exploring almost
every other area of their life about how
to be in the present in the now your
dreams your goals your family your
thoughts everything kind of being in the
now moment eventually you have to kind
of cover the topic of sex as well right
well I want to highlight some spiritual
seekers are in a tradition where they
believe sex is not going to get you
there yeah you know many people believe
that to become a truly spiritual person
you know I can still find this in myself
because I was raised with that and then
I when I stuttered Eastern traditions
it's like well the truly spiritual
person is a guy sitting in a cave
somewhere yep and I think we've all been
indoctrinated with this idea that a true
spiritual person is a monk or a nun or
some Hindus sitting in a diaper in a in
a cave you know and so we have this idea
that that's what's being spiritual means
and the Tantra say that's not that
that's fine they can live their lives
that way I don't want to I want to
experience higher consciousness through
sex through everything I do everything
is sacred
it's very revolutionary compared to the
attitudes towards sex and spirituality
that we grew up with
yeah we've been teaching that God is in
everything like you care if you can't
see God in all then you can't see God at
all and so to say that God is this God
is that he's not this he's not that or
it's not this it it you know God is all
even the Scriptures talk about here o
Israel the Lord is one everything is God
he's in it and through it all so to say
that that's what we like to do we got it
we got to untrain ourselves and
especially especially when it comes to
enjoying the things of this world or you
know have a monetary pleasures or gain
or enjoying you know I'm saying good
food and things like that we have to
unlearn it I've come from the Christian
persuasion as well where it was pretty
much a gnostic understanding that you
have to be the suffering servant if you
know that the one who was spiritual
among you is the one that does without
who doesn't have any possessions or just
kind of you know lives in the woods or
lives on on someone's couch and I know
people who have taken vows of poverty
and they live in the woods they
literally do and it was because of a
religious vow because they thought that
that's what the text communicated to
them and they don't have any possessions
or belongings and I've kind of signed
that stuff away so to move from that net
thinking it it's it's in all the other
traditions as well as Christianity that
are you know that you can't enjoy life
enjoy life yeah and I think it's an
ongoing process as a spiritual seeker to
keep rooting that out of ourselves
because it keeps cropping up you think
you've made some progress on it and you
have but then you notice oh I'm secretly
thinking that you know to have pleasure
is it's not spiritual and it's a
continuing to unwind the fact that God
manifests in all of this as well all of
this is sacred
all of this pleasure is sacred and that
goes that that conditioning goes deep
that were not supposed to enjoy things
we're not supposed to enjoy sex we're
not supposed to enjoy things that we can
buy that this is somehow anti spiritual
we're not you know like I keep talking
about here and there's a lot of stuff
here about in Los Angeles about not
enjoying food because you're just kind
of supposed to eat green green grass and
you know stuff that doesn't really taste
good and that's more spiritual than to
go out and enjoy your meal so I think
that the one of the great teachings of
Tantra is the pleasure can be a route to
God it doesn't mean just self-indulgent
whatever we feel like because as you
progress you realize that overindulgence
isn't pleasure either yeah that's true
so it's following your pleasure but to
truly follow your pleasure take some
self-discipline to go you know another
beer won't cut it right now another
another helping of this cake yeah might
give me pleasure but I think my ultimate
player is and not having it so I feel
great later
exactly exactly really trusting that
pleasure comes from God also and as we
said earlier I just grew up in a culture
where if it was pleasure it wasn't God
and Tantra has taught me that the
opposite is true
now you know back to the warning thing
have you haven't seen any like
psychological stuff because I know you
deal with psychology to where like
people show up and then they've just
this they're like plagued with this
connection that they can't get rid of or
these thoughts that won't leave them
about the person that they were involved
with and I feel like you could do that
with like some type of spiritual so ties
that happens when you do anything
spiritual with someone there's just
connectedness there and I've seen people
in spiritual circles to leave their
spouses that they've been with for 20
years because there's another woman that
shows them attention and there's some
and they can't quit thinking about them
because that's the spiritual leader and
this guy is spiritual it happens a lot
and have you seen anything like that
happened with with Tantra or just being
connected or like like that person left
with something that they didn't come
with
that was maybe only in their mind or
something else well in all groups Tantra
or not that I've been involved with or
that I've led we always have a
disclaimer you know don't make any
decisions about your life for at least 7
days after you leave you know or maybe
even a month because you know people
will come out of a Tony Robbins seminar
anyone is just you know quit their job
and no 1580 and stuff it's like okay
it's great that you're enthusiastic but
let's just let's get back to our lives
and see how this integrates so there's
always a process of reintegration with
with from psychedelic drugs from
meditation retreats from Tantra seminars
there's always a period of how does this
fit back now into my life yeah so we
really always want to remind people that
all these experiences are very powerful
and that an integration period is
important that's why we now have
psychedelic integration Tantra
integration we could say we have from
any higher consciousness take some time
to see what how that fits in and then
maybe from the hero dose of going deep
and having this crazy revelation about
life about the universe about death and
all of that on something really far out
there break break bringing it back home
to something more practical whether even
if it was something like in your daily
routine whether it was micro dosing
psilocybin or something like that versus
having this crazy you know a revelation
and wanting to keep having that big
thing over and over and that's kind of
like it what it was for me you know
going into those states and I had crazy
revelations about my life and I'm doing
this now because of those encounters and
I had other friends though that came out
of it and they're like I'm ready to do
this again next weekend it's gonna be
seven months while I pack all this and I
know I have to you know take this stuff
in my in my saying my daily walk and I
will say that it ended up bad for that
person who tried to go next weekend and
and do the same thing but um you know
everybody's different but for me it's
about like you said having those
beautiful encounters but then bringing
it back to what I call to you know
practicality where it just kind of
integrates into our lives and helps us
like if our spirituality can't help
somebody like in our day to day and
everybody you know around us is
suffering but we're spiritual and on
cloud nine and like if that's not what
it's about it's about bringing it back
down to earth to benefit everybody
around it's not just being selfish for
ourselves right absolutely and you're
right it can't be this phenomena up kind
of chasing the hi just wanting to be
high all the time yeah and that's called
addiction and as I said before I think
anyone who's truly on the spiritual path
will start noticing that that's not
bringing me true pleasure chasing the
highs is always followed by a terrible
low and I don't know for me personally I
want to just not have the lows anymore I
didn't mind having the highs but the
fact that the lows came afterwards is
why I wanted to not chase highs anymore
so for example most people think it's
most people have experienced how fun it
is to drink a bunch of alcohol with your
friends and then the next morning the
hangover is hangover is why most people
start drinking less yeah not because
it's not fun to drink a lot yeah you
have to pay for those experiences
hangover that most people decide I don't
want to drink that much anymore so I
think the same thing is true with
getting really enthusiastic about doing
psychedelics or going to Tantra seminars
or anything it's like I don't want that
crash that comes afterwards I want to be
able to the purpose we do these things
that's change our lives
but not to have such a radical change
that it throws us off balance and we get
below yeah there's that famous phrase
I'm sure you've had it on the show
before but you know what do you do after
enlightenment now what do you do before
I like chop wood carry water what do you
do after enlightenment chop wouldn't
carry water so it's like life goes on we
have these experiences to change our
lives and then the real work begins
what do I do with this how do I serve
people
I share this how do I help enlighten
everyone else because we're all in this
together we're all one being so how do I
help my brothers and sisters what have
you seen and this gets into the
psychological part as well have you seen
the people who you know they have those
encounters and they come back and they
think that they are an avatar or they
think that they are the Messiah figure I
mean a lot of these cults and sects and
stuff like that are kind of born out of
a lot of that stuff and these people
there's a bunch of them now and I refuse
to have these people help my show a lot
of people want me to hate interview this
guy like no it's dangerous no no no stay
away I've been a part of weird cult stay
we are the only way and I am the Savior
and only what I say kind of stuff and
I'm really you know that stuff's nasty
really but have you seen that at all
with uh you know Eastern spirituality
and and things like that I have I have
and it's something we talk a lot about
in and it's transpersonal psychology and
you know it's a little misunderstanding
because you can do a psychedelic drug
and you can get that I am Jesus yeah I
am God and then you but the real
realization is that we're all we all are
all have that in us you know it's like I
I think that anything that makes you
feel that you're more special than
anyone else is dangerous yeah yeah I
think that can be kind of a handy rule
of thumb is if somebody thinks that
they're better than everyone else it's
really a position of narcissism yes you
could put themselves out at teachers and
be humble and say hey I know some
certain things about life that you don't
and I'm happy to share them I'm not
gonna tell you I know it's right for you
I I have to I have to warn people to
stay away from those those guys you know
I've dealt with them there's a bunch of
them out there and um I had a
conversation with a guy last night he
was in my inbox and um he was wanting to
know like deep knowledge and you know
expand his knowledge so that he can
so-called be closer to God and I had to
let him know look you're not gonna be
any closer to God than you are right now
there is no less knowledge ain't gonna
make you closer or like special secret
knowledge it can like you can
you have a better understanding of God
in the universe and things like that and
use that in your spiritual life now that
that happens but as far as like I'm
closer than you because I did this or
because I know this I don't believe that
I don't teach that and there's been
people who have had to doubt or deal
with who have come out of those coats
and I am the teacher and I'm I have the
knowledge and anyone who says anything
different you know expose them and it's
really weird especially with
Christianity I've dealt with that a lot
actually I think another rule of thumb
is that if someone everyone still has
stuff to work on everyone no one's no
one's achieved some sort of perfection
and I think that we I think we look to
our teachers to be able to be humble
enough to say hey here's where I'm still
working on myself you know I yelled at
somebody in traffic the other day I'm
not really proud of that you know but
that's where I'm still working out
myself and I think that if anyone puts
themselves out as they're perfect whoo
watch out for that yeah manly pee ha he
said that you know if the status of your
dog's life if you're if dad this is so
spiritual and a Mason or whatever and
he's such a good guy but he still kicks
the dog on the way out the door then
he's got some improvement that that
needs to be done and so kind of you know
saying based on your spirituality off
the the well-being of your dog you know
exactly yeah I think I wrote something
about that recently I mean if someone
goes home and and yells it their way
then you're there not my goodness
they're not who we aspire to be I've
seen that so much again with
Christianity and I'll give this quick
example but there was a guy who was at a
big church and he was worshipping God at
this church but they had the music the
praise music he's got his hands in the
air
hallelujah he's jumping he's shouting
he's happy God has done a work in his
life and he's so excited about it
he's jumping in a little old lady behind
him said sir can you keep it down you're
a little disturbing and he turned around
he gave her a tongue lashing that you
wouldn't like how bicho a in
this little old lady I was like oh wow
so you're in this super exuberant moment
with God and the presence of God then
you turn around in an instant okay
something's up like something he didn't
know that that little old lady was God's
voice speaking to him yes and I know
with this particular person that became
a pattern like that would happen a lot I
felt out but yeah that's uh you know in
it ain't no church everything people and
I guess when people are into
spirituality or into religion they're
trying to fix the stuff a lot of times
right they're trying to not what can I
do to not blow up on my wife or when I
watch the television and Donald Trump
comes on air and my skin boils like what
can I do like whatever it is that kind
of hurts you so we go to church or we do
spiritual practice and stuff to try to
help us with that's what a lot of people
do go to church Sunday morning and 12:45
they get in their car and they're
already screaming and fighting with the
with the family and things you know but
I think a lot of people are trying to do
better and they're trying to do good so
we kind of embrace spirituality and
religion at the same time to try to help
us out with that definitely let me ask
you this so when it comes to Osho and
things like that what actually led you
to his work and actually you know you
you you you stayed for a couple years at
I don't know if you'd call it his
commune was it was lived for a year at
that was that the main one at first that
was the first one that's when oh that
one's been there since I don't know the
70s I think and then they started the
second commune in Oregon I visited the
one in Oregon but I never lived there
yeah so I've been around that for quite
a while I don't know I just think I was
always kind of born interested in
spirituality I was I was that kid in
Sunday school was actually asking
questions yeah I was just interested and
I was always reading books and I just
grew up with this interest in and I
think also it's kind of isolated a
bookworm and I when I was little I
didn't have very good social skills so I
just kind of thought about stuff a lot
and
grew up just asking questions and
reading and trying to find out what
we're doing here and then I just was
always kind of interested in subcultures
and followed my interests into
spirituality I think a lot of us I think
also having you know I had a difficult
childhood and I think for a lot of
people a lot of your listeners and I
think a lot of people because we have
psychological issues to deal with it
leads us towards spirituality I've been
noticing that you know I was I was just
depressed a lot of it's child and I
trying to deal with that depression led
me to spiritual solutions so I often
tell my patients or other people it's
like psychological issues if you have
them might not might actually end up to
be a blessing it might be one of the
roads that spirituality takes I think so
lead you to question life and actually
get to levels of higher consciousness
that aren't available to people who've
just always been happily in the
mainstream yep yeah that was one thing
I've always seen in in the church and
stuff was that like people like myself
face to speak in churches and tell my
story and stuff and I came out of like
really dark witchcraft and spirits and
it was crazy dealing with possession and
stuff like that but I would go to
churches and tell my story and then
there would be other people who would
come in who would who used to run drugs
or were in gangs or whatever type of
crazy deep lifestyle that they came out
of and and you loved you're like at the
edge of your seat listening to these
stories and how they were into the stuff
and now they're following God or
whatever yes I was one of those sharing
my story but there was always full of
people who would be kind of feel let
down because they didn't have that type
of story like they were just from
suburbia
you know just regular people never got
into running drugs across the border or
with summoning spells and demons they
didn't have these cool stories and they
kind of felt like they were left out
when it comes to those stories of having
that you know spiritual path or whatever
very glamorous anti glamorous or
something right
you try to encourage them say Noah it's
good like yours it's good that you
haven't experienced it yeah but they're
not gonna be able to stand on a stage
and do that and they kind of thought
that that's what it's about
you know like this is what you're
supposed to be doing as a believer or
whatever the case is and it's not the
case at all your spiritual path can
start just right now today where you are
you just tuned into being present
because we spend most of our lives not
present we're thinking about something
else so almost all of us our minds are
off in some other place than where we
are right now in this moment yeah
if we could start training ourselves
which is called meditation just be here
in the present moment with what my life
is yeah and that is your spiritual
journey yep and then one more time at
Tantra earlier trying to bring that
level of awareness into lovemaking
that's a vehicle for higher
consciousness you know who knew sex
could be a vehicle for higher
consciousness but it definitely is yep
so you talked about you know being a
part of the religious church and
Christianity and stuff like that I want
to ask you about cults and stuff you
dealt with Osho and I guess you have a
pretty good outlook on that sect and
things like that have you ever gotten to
any other cults or religious sects that
you're glad you got away from her you
barely made it out or you knew that it
was a controlling group of people did
you ever get into those situations as
well I don't really have any sort of
glamorous stories like that but I have
been involved you know I think this
weren't cult if you look it up the
dictionary definition it just means a
small group of people who think alike
yeah so I think we I I have definitely
been involved with groups of people who
are teaching things but other people may
have referred to as a cult yet I was
inside it and felt like I had total
freedom yeah whoa leave I have a
different opinion whatever but other
people would look at it from the outside
go that's a cult it's like my experience
on the inside of being with Osho being
with these other so-called cults was
that I'm sure they were very controlling
cults you read about him Jonestown this
type of thing but the cults that I have
been involved in I had total freedom
different
I would leave if I wanted I was given
anybody money unless I felt like making
a donation there was no pressure
sorry dude I think we need to be careful
with this work called that it's got you
know everyone's using it like that's a
terrible thing and sometimes it is and
sometimes it's just a small group of
people who think alike the Catholic
Church is a cult I mean if you think
about it it's not but there's a lot I
mean you like you said you mentioned
Jonestown I mentioned like having stayed
and I was involved with the Hebrew
Israelites for some time and uh while
you get it you know while you're in it
you feel like you know this is the truth
and this is the you know the you know
God led you here for a reason but then a
lot of times when you can't see it until
until you've been there a while or you
come out of it like wow that was a that
was a crazy experience you know I'm glad
I'm all out of that belief system it
changed the way I view the world it
changed the way I view my family my
people who you know all this kind of
stuff I believe people were going to
hell and gonna burn for eternity and God
hates a certain type of people these
different understandings that change the
way you see the world and some of those
I don't think you know I don't think
that's healthy at all even with
Catholicism or Christianity that to
teach you that the people you bump
shoulders with in the streets are going
to hell and if you don't tell them that
then you've missed an opportunity that's
that's really really strange to kind of
live your life that way you know yeah I
think again if it's breeding more fear
yeah and more separation it's not
healthy if it's breeding more love and
acceptance I think that that's a good
thing for people I think it's pretty
clear to look and see if this is making
me hate and fear other people more yes
probably a dangerous cult
yeah turning me against my own family
it's probably a dangerous cult there's
no need for that we talked about
psychedelics we talked about Tantra
sexual energy what about awareness
breathing which is a fun one
achieving heightened states of
consciousness through holotropic
breathing changing your breathing
patterns making sure that you're
breathing you know all of these type of
these I mean what
have you experienced with that type of
awareness breathing yes I have I have a
couple of free awareness
guided meditations on YouTube I started
discovering that you know you probably
had people talk about this but in the
West were taught to breathe very
shallowly and very rapidly and most of
our breath is just in this part of our
body and that kind of breathing actually
fosters anxiety yeah and this is a way
that were controlled because if we if
we're very anxious all the time then we
can be sold goods and services now in
all types of breath work we start
breathing more deeply and this calms us
and this to me is why the Buddha is
always shown with a big belly because
he's showing us that to breathe into our
bellies makes a calm state yeah okay I
never knew Isaiah and it could be wrong
but that's what what I imagined so we
practice breathing more deeply we start
we start becoming free beings and this
is just another way that anyone in this
moment can further their spiritual path
is by taking a deeper breath yep just
taking a deeper breath will bring you
more into the body less into the
hypnotized mainstream culture and
holotropic breathwork is something I'd
recommend if anyone wants to check it
out it can be a little frightening
because it can actually just soar the
power of your own breath and you can
have psychedelic experiences in the same
way that you would have on a psychedelic
drug yeah right there in your own body
in your own consciousness just by
breathing deeply amazing it's not
something you do on your own this is
something you do with your people yep
you just get into they do yeah of just
breathing so deeply not weed get in
touch with higher consciousness so
there's all these all these paths from
higher consciousness sex breathing that
are available to anyone look we just tap
in and then you combined it all in your
and an ascended master everything's good
combined everything
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breathing good stuff I've definitely
learned a few things and I have a long
ways to go oh man I appreciate would you
bring it to the table you've been at
this for a while you was on you were on
extra some years ago to write good stuff
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well I really enjoyed this podcast and
we'll have to do it again thank you for
coming on hanging out with me I
appreciate that I love it thank you so
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it alright bye bye bye
Katherine almond ladies and gentlemen
that was a good show I was very nervous
about this show but you know what that's
a good thing it's really a really good
thing actually you run into a problem
when you don't get nervous anymore when
you're just doing something you got it
down you know what you're supposed to do
that's one thing but it takes away that
magic from something if you don't get
those butterflies in your stomach before
you go out on stage I remember when I
did gospel wrapping and in the Christian
community and there came a point where I
just wasn't nervous I just knew how to
do my song and dance and went out there
and did it and killed it they're my
thing or whatever but it takes so those
butterflies are there for a reason man
and and being excited about something
and so there's been times in the past
where I just kind of go through the
motions that can go through anything
like I'm doing I'm making music I can go
through them
writing a song go through the motions
doing a podcast but my wife said this to
me yesterday she's saying like the ones
that that I question or the ones that I
don't know about those usually end up
being the best podcast as you said the
community's gonna love it and I think I
think you guys did I'm reading the chat
here and I enjoyed it so that's what
it's about for me I want to have a
conversation that I'm engaged in and I'm
still trying to learn right I have a lot
to teach there's a lot of them teaching
but I have to learn too and I remember
some some time ago and it was probably
my friend Leo I'm not really sure but we
were talking about how I don't really
watch a lot of documentaries or read a
lot of books anymore like I used to I'm
now trying to take all of the stuff that
I've learned throughout the years that
I've done this years of studying and
trying to articulate it and put it into
music and put it into videos into
podcasts and things like that and to
share what I've already learned that
works right so when I have these guests
on that that are you know diving into a
topic that I'm it makes makes me
remember those early days well I don't
have it all figured out right so in
Tantra was definitely one of them so I
really enjoyed that talk it was really
good
Katherine almond calm make sure you guys
check that I'll support her work Kris
Garner's in a chat he says she just
gained herself one more subscriber so
yeah y'all make sure y'all support these
people it's awesome cuz I don't have to
tell you how y'all do I see y'all on
their channels and comment on their
stuff that's what it's about but um man
sex is uh you know and I kind of had a
um I had second thoughts coming into
this this podcast because sex is
powerful man like sex is uh is sacred
you know everything but she's saying
everything is sacred right so we moved
from all life is sacred all thought is
sacred and why shouldn't sex be sacred
so I didn't want to promote promiscuity
I didn't want to promote the fact of
just hey we just meet up and have sex
with random partners because we're
spiritual trust me there's a lot of that
going on in the spiritual community
a lot of people who are open about their
sexuality and you can't tell me what I
can and can't do and they're just
running wild with that stuff right and
and I've and so I've been with my wife
for since I was 14
I'm 34 and so I believe that sex is
sacred I believe in that Union is sacred
and I think it I think it's a I think
that the Bible shows that it's sacred I
think that a lot of other texts and
traditions show that is sacred as well
upon further study and in the scriptures
about that there's a lot of stuff about
like covenant coming into sexual
covenant with someone that in the West
we've believed that having a marriage
license is how you get married to
someone but the Scriptures got some
really deep knowledge on this that
actually sex is marriage and when you
come together with someone sexually
you're coming together in a sacred
spiritual union and before God you're
married especially when it's dealing
with the blood covenants right when you
come together sexually with someone and
every everything is sealed in in blood
covenants and blood oaths and in the
Bible and just not just a Bible
throughout the world man they all deal
with blood the Bible says that the life
force is in the blood
and when you think about that there's a
couple different scriptures man I just
kind of give a couple examples in uh in
the Old Testament um I think it was
Jacob who wanted to marry Rachel so he
went to work for Laban which was
Rachel's father he said look work for me
for seven years do your best and I will
give you my daughter's hand in marriage
and I guess she was like the most
beautiful of all her siblings or
whatever so anyway he was I guess
engaged to to marry her he worked for
Laban seven years they were gonna do the
big ceremony right where you
bring the families together trade-off
you know here's my daughter you know I'm
I want this from you your families come
together right it was more than just you
get my daughter like they trade an ox in
and divide and stuff up and bringing
resources together they're having this
big celebration
Laban tricks them though so they go
through the ceremony and then they go
into the marriage bed right to go and
consummate the marriage to have sex and
when Jacob goes in there
Laban tricked them and he put his other
daughter Leah in there so Jacob goes in
and he turned they turned out all the
lights and he can't see anything
and he told Leah what to do Jacob goes
in there has sex with Leah comes out and
Leah is now his wife because he came
together with her that way Jacob said
you tricked me and you know about why
did you do this is like oh yeah you
can't does I don't know whatever he
tried to explain itself or whatever we
said I'll tell you what give me so many
more years work with me some more years
and I'll give you my other daughter as
well I'll give you Rachel so in this
story that's what he does he works even
longer and eventually has Rachel as well
and so what that shows you is that sex
is marriage in the New Testament Jesus
is talking about spirituality in all of
the how we come together and stuff and
he says did you not know that he who
joins himself to a harlot has become one
flesh he's saying that when you come
together with a prostitute that's your
wife the two have become one flesh the
two have become one that's where we get
to turn my other half my soulmate as
people are saying here in the chat my
soulmate my other half sex is sacred
everything is sacred
why wouldn't sex be there are some
studies that come out and there's um
there's some some debate on it and
there's some truth to it but there are
some studies that came out
some articles that said did you know
that women retain the DNA of every
sexual partner that they've ever had and
immediately there was some backlash from
different other websites and
organizations and stuff and in this one
Snopes and stuff proving it to be false
but there are certain things about that
about it's not just sexually there
dealing with the semen and the DNA and
stuff like that so they were trying
their best to debunk it man but there
were some aspects of it that was proven
to be true
you remember those partners it's what we
will call spiritual soul ties when you
come together and you're joining that
covenant with someone and it makes sense
that the Bible is calling it the two
become one flesh you remember that
person that one-night stand
you can't quit thinking about them
there's a spiritual energy and a
spiritual connectedness that comes with
sex be careful you know there's people
who are trying to pray that stuff away
they're in a committed relationship but
they're still thinking about the one
that got away man whatever happened to
her where's she at now I still love her
they having these weird thoughts right
everybody's thinking about this stuff to
pray it away that people are trying to
pray it away and they're fasting in a
way and it won't go away and a lot of
trust me in the church realm we've dealt
with that a lot a lot of people trying
to sever ties with their exes or
whatever but they still feel like that
person is a part of them sex is sacred
men sex is sacred so be careful and I
didn't want to promote promiscuity man I
don't want to we talked about these
spiritual soul ties and you can't quit
you can't quit thinking about that stuff
you can't quit it just keeps coming up
over and over so do this study do the
knowledge do the research
sex is marriage and it's beautiful
someone to make sure that I covered that
- from like a biblical perspective and
there's so much other you know
spirituals is it's it's cool when the
spiritual community or the new-age
community or does the secular community
start embracing some of these ideas or
they explain it for you in other terms
do you scientific terms I can't break
down those side the scientific terms I
can talk about the spiritual side of it
they break it down in a very scientific
way and then you have the spiritual way
then you have the religious way and also
singing something similar so uh yeah
check that out it's special I think
that's pretty much it how long have I
gone on here an hour and a half man an
hour and a half I don't know um let's
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I want to read some questions here in
the chat Chris garner says could
marriage in the sex aspect just be a
literal meaning as in marriage defined
as a combination of two or more elements
I think so um it gets deep man in the
Bible it talks about to know somebody
they knew it talks about sex but it says
he knew her knew he knew her you come
into this union with someone where you
know them and
just there you know that person in a
spiritual sense to know everything about
them even the the you know the the
intimate details about that person you
know that person and then it's the cool
thing is is that a lot of these terms
are still used when it's talking about
God knowing God does he know you do you
know God in an intimate way in the same
way like you would approach that
relationship with your spouse the
wedding chamber coming together
intimately talking to them building with
them like that's the same aspect that
you bring into your relationship with
God to know God on these deep levels and
he knows you when it comes to the the
word the the Bride of Christ is a term
that's used the Bride of Christ you
looked at like a I'm saying like a woman
like God's wife and he is a jealous God
I remember that that whole thing with
Oprah years ago and it was a big clip I
don't know if you guys have seen it I'm
not gonna play it but I look it up if
you haven't seen it but um they're
talking about God on The Oprah Show
years ago in a we're talking about God
and uh someone said God is a jealous God
rightness what the scripture says God is
a jealous God and she says she does not
want to follow a God who is jealous
why is God jealous of me it's not his
jealous of you he's jealous over you and
we shouldn't and we are made in the
image and likeness of that God we have
that jealousy within us not with jealous
of but were jealous over then it's used
in a biblical sense we're like you
belong to God like that's your husband
that's your spouse you belong but yet
you're in his terminology like this
whoring after other gods after other
things you're married to God but you're
cheating on him
idolatry you're cheating on him with
pornography addiction you're cheating on
him with these things that he doesn't
that's hurting you right it'd be like if
you had a spouse but they're addicted to
drugs right you're like man we're trying
to get you help but you just you run off
and you you're on these binges and
you're just addicted it's this jealous
love this compassion for you this this
righteous anger you know and there's
nothing man I'll tend there's nothing
more hurtful than seeing someone who is
in love head over heels for someone and
the other person doesn't feel that way I
hate divorce men hate it with a passion
when someone's in love with someone and
the other person is running around and
you found out you had your other half
your lover is seeing someone else on the
side or doesn't that love isn't
reciprocated what that does to an
individual man I've seen lives destroyed
man big Tom seeing ministers you know
for the most part people who come out of
drug culture people who come out of
reckless lifestyles and they get
restored and they get in church and they
clean their life up and they got the
kids and they got the fam and everything
is going good
all of a sudden a woman runs off or does
something and then just everything
spirals out the person is in jail or
dead now or man or addicted to substance
man it's sad to return that love and to
return that adoration when you come
together with a person it's beautiful
man it's nothing more sacred than that
really when you find that person but
then when you do it with God that's
that's beautiful when you come together
with the father cuz I look I love you
I want to spend time with you I'm trying
to you know bless you
and you're kind of busy you got a lot of
stuff going on you're somebody now you
got a podcast you know you got you do
music you know you're kind of a big deal
when you break away from that and you go
back to the place where it all started
you go back to that intimacy that's what
it's about for everybody your busy life
your busy day breaking away from that
stuff to draw away unto God man with
that sexual union intimacy so people get
mad I mean is that but then some people
take it to a whole nother level right
this intimacy with God of being
something of mockery or something where
I've seen people do it you know some of
these cults are kind of mentioning get
into like this weird
weird stuff when it comes to that but
God wants to know you man he wants that
relationship to be deeper to know that
you're not alone to know that you got
somebody that has your back like that's
a big thing that was big for me
especially coming from a broken home
knowing that I had somebody that loved
me no matter what this is both this is
the spouse sign and this is the
spiritual side when I met my my wife and
she was my girlfriend at the time and I
knew that I had somebody who who loved
me for me I didn't have to perform it I
have to be somebody else but that just
loved me regardless man changed my life
as a teenager gave me liberties that I
didn't have gave me a confidence in
myself just to know that I'm loved and
then on top of that that's one thing
that was powerful in the physical realm
but when it comes to God understanding
the love of God that no matter what you
did no matter what you've done God still
loves you is still trying to pursue you
there's no way you can go there's no way
you can run away to get away from the
love of God to hide from the presence of
God the Bible is full of stories from
Genesis to Revelation where people have
been in this relationship and then they
get into some things or open up doors
and they step away maybe even for years
maybe that's even some of you maybe
that's your story you've been away for
years and I know people who feel like
God's giving up on them or they feel
like they hurt God
there's no way God would take me back I
wouldn't take myself back he stops and
out I thought says ways are not our ways
with the love of God that moves past
anything and everything that we could do
to think that we've passed the point of
no return that we can never come back
there's nothing we can do nowhere we can
go that we can hide or run away from the
love of God every single one of us man
to pursue that and then get into that
intimacy get alone with God we talked a
little about a lot of crazy stuff on
here
we're very open with spirituality we
talk about all of the aliens and
psychedelics and all types of angels and
I'll just crazy stuff that would seem
way left-field man you know I'm open to
all of it but it first comes out of a
relationship with God
elementals spirits all types of service
a lot of its in the Bible and that's
what gets me right but that relationship
with God with the father whatever your
father brings you to out of that
intimacy whatever he revealed it their
secrets in the universe about life about
the earth about everything their secrets
that God has that he's never told anyone
about
that is willing to just do pillow talk
with you hey here we want to tell you
how I do it this is how I doing look at
the Stars look at this you ever thought
about this it is like beyond your
wildest dreams
I has not seen and ear has not heard the
things that God has in store for those
who love Him it gets crazy guys but it's
beautiful it is a journey man it is a
journey so for I don't see how anyone
would want to run whatever do it without
the assistance of the creator like who
do it on your own terms earth or just
the way that you want to the song and
dance man this journey is so beautiful
it is awesome when you find out how
consciousness works when you find out
that the steps of the righteous are
ordered by the Lord and nothing happens
without a reason you don't meet people
for no reason just slow just yeah kind
of cool
everything happens your life starts to
line up the journey it becomes really
look somebody's watching me somebody
knows these thoughts I'm thinking
somebody wants to hang out that notion
right there blew my mind as a teenager I
was depressed a lot thought about
suicide a lot I always felt like I was
by myself but then when I got born again
when I came into the knowledge of Christ
and I came into this relationship with
God that was one thing that changed cuz
I still was like actually by myself a
lot but had never felt alone again from
that point never felt alone always had
somebody there
I always had somebody there that
relationship that confidence that love
man
loneliness nobody understands throw that
out the window
they god is their man and this is this
is beautiful man this whole song and
dance with the universe with the Creator
that your life has meaning your life has
purpose people have given up on you your
families given up on you your teachers
gave up on you your friends everyone's
giving up on your feelings whatever man
I gave up on myself a long time ago why
not but you understand that God has not
given up on you
that the promises of God are yes and
amen didn't Jeremiah 29:11 his plans to
bless you with the future
doesn't have any ideas or plans to harm
you or to punish you you're in trouble
come back into the loving arms of the
creator that's what it's about man
that's a grace that allows you to
explore
that's a grace that allows you to seek
out the deep things of God I wouldn't
have thought would enough to get got
into any of this on the other side
without God but God man you know if you
mad blame God that's what it's about
work with God instead of against it
that's just spell my song and dance here
lately walk would work with the presence
of God and working against which we've
been doing the majority of our lives
right so I hope that spoke to somebody's
heart just to be open and honest about
this about this relationship with the
Creator that's what it comes down to at
the end of the day at the end of the day
you don't want to open up any doors you
don't want to do anything like the
scripture says Jesus said I don't do
nothing that I don't see my father doing
may that be your prayer may you love the
things that God loves and hate the
things that God hates hold yourself to a
higher standard man sexually made you
work upon your second virginity whatever
it is wherever God finds you man he
finds us all in different places men I'm
gonna reach out to this lady man she was
an ex-prostitute I actually had one on a
long time ago and the weird thing about
that one angie duncan an ex-prostitute
right sex worker and I think she was in
some porn films and things like that she
was on the show
it she told her story God finds people
in different places man paul Washer the
great preacher listen to his story man
he shares it with tears in his eyes God
found him laying in a his own piss and
vomit corner drunken stupor woke up
throw up on his shirt and piss all over
herself God found him caught him he
repented of his sins him and following
the Lord ever since God finds us in
different places God found me in a place
where I couldn't hold a thought together
hearing the voices and seeing spirits
and it was not good God finds us all in
different places never forget where you
came from it it's so easy to do man
it's like 20 years ago 20 years ago it's
easy to forget everything's good now
stuff is way behind me it's easy I
needed them then you wake up every day
understanding that I need God as much
today as I needed him laying in a pool
of piss don't whup all over me
I need him as much as I needed him in
1998
I need them more
without
him where would you be that's the grace
the same grace that was applied back
then
I look at these people man you know I
bring this stuff updates these people
have you know lost their families lost
their health and I'm just always just
thankful man you know you to know that
you could lose it all too
I could lose it all but it is the grace
of God that keeps us it is the grace of
God that restores us no matter where we
are
to maintain that a lot of people can get
to a lot of places man with your good
looks with your talents with your
abilities will you let your talents and
your good looks and things bring you to
places that your character can't keep
you this isn't a game
it's not a game it's not a game
it's not a gay men suit a real deal
one wrong move
one careless flirtation one email
response one nightstand can mess up
something that took years for you to
build your career your marriage whatever
it is man whatever's in your lap
those who have been forgiven of much
much will be required those who have
been forgiven much they love much
that's what it's about
love you guys man Chris Gardner says
that your character can't keep you
that's profound truth we see it all the
time man
it's why we're talking about the alcohol
thing you have to pay for that it's like
those quick fixes man you gotta pay for
the process is there for reason when you
understand the price we get weary in
well-doing and we're like man copy doing
this for years and why is everybody else
married why does everybody else have a
ministry or once everybody else have an
awesome career and do what they love
look trust the process at the end of the
day God is the one who orchestrates it
all trust the process don't give up
don't give up don't get discouraged
trust the process
how much longer learn everything that
you need to learn at their job learn
everything that you need to learn in the
wilderness feel like God's a million
miles away
learn everything you need what are you
trying to tell me learn it all and did
learn some more eventually if you don't
break if you don't crack if you stand
the test of time your breakthroughs
going to combat trust and believe
okay I've learnt everything up past
ready what else do I need to do keep it
up and it's coming you're almost there
you don't even know it you don't even
know her
it's good stuff is wisdom daddy can man
thank you guys for hanging out with me
today hope you guys enjoyed this podcast
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