Encountering UFOs  What Are They?  Dr. Irena Scott  TruthSeekah Podcast
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dr. Irina Scott how are you my friend
welcome to the podcast awesome so you
have quite a story you've done a lot of
research you've been in in this field
for a while enough to have enough not
just as a researcher but as an encounter
someone who has had encounters with UFOs
craft and ETS and things like that so
just starting off let's give the
listeners a little bit of a background
about who you are and what you bring to
the table ufologist
my background is in science and I
received my PhD from the University of
Missouri College of Veterinary Medicine
in physiology it postdoctoral research
at Cornell University and had a
professorship at the st. Bonaventure
University my master's was from the
University of Nevada and my bachelor's
was from University from Ohio State
University in astronomy and biology and
I've done research in teaching at the
Ohio State University College of
Medicine in the University of Nevada
I've also aircraft identification and I
worked at that which is relevant to UFOs
plus I've also worked at Battelle
Memorial Institute
and I've been sent for work-related
purposes to wright-patterson Air Force
Base
so I basically worked at three places
I've had to do with UFO phenomena but I
wasn't directly involved in so be you
working at these places you've have you
heard the UFO discussion of different
people who are in maybe higher seats of
authority who are respectable people
talk about the existence of these you
know craft or ETS or anything like that
I've known people I talked to dr. Hynek
briefly and my last book contains a lot
of his handwritten letters and I also
know a person that worked with him
fairly closely at Project Blue Book in a
motel and I've used her notes on things
and her documents in my last book sacred
corridors so what I guess to kind of
skip ahead I know you have tons of
encounters and experiences and things
like that but I don't even know if you
can answer this question but what's
going on like what are we in contact
with what is what watching us isn't is
it ancient is it aliens is a demonic
what's going on because something is
interacting with this outside of the
Earth's atmosphere what I mean so at the
end of the day what do you think it is
what are we in touch with well being a
scientist I studied this for quite a
while in my basic knowledge is I just
don't have any idea
Wow many years of study it's very odd
mysterious and I don't know if it's
technological or spiritual or anything
else I like that answer I like that
answer because you know a lot of times
people come on and they have it all
figured out they can tell you that we're
in touch with the arcturion light beings
who travel to seventh galaxies to be
here to make
and give us divine knowledge and these
people have these well-crafted stories
and they have books and they're experts
in that field but Arcana at the end of
the day I've had a ton of encounters
seen a mini craft and I'm with you it's
hard to pinpoint and just say yeah this
is what's going on this is what it is
you see there's a bunch of experts out
there who have maybe had one encounter
like from the Christian community
they'll say yes they're demons you know
and just blanket across the face
everything is demons and I don't think
it's that easy I don't think it's as
easy as saying that they're all angelic
I don't think it's as easy as saying
that they all are physical beings that
live on another planet right there's
like lots of different things that we've
seen is captured on on-camera and
pictures and people have it encounters
what was some of the stuff early on I
loved to address this to see what kind
of gets people into this and I've heard
some of your story but what was some of
the experiences early on as a child that
you had that really got you into
researching UFOs or just these different
encounters with the divine what were
some of the things that kind of sparked
your entrance interest early on well my
ears from early on was something my
sister and I before we had ever heard of
UFOs it was years before we heard of
UFOs even we were poor and living in the
country and we had one radio but my
parents selected the stations and things
so we didn't hear much about we didn't
hear anything about UFOs and I didn't
know anything about it it took me years
to figure out this was a UFO experience
but my sister and I were sleeping in an
antique room she was about 4 and I was
about 6 approximately and it was a nice
clear night and she was in one side of
the room when I was on the other and it
was an antique room with walls that
sloped upwards and came together in the
ceiling about 3 feet apart
well I was asleep and I woke up and
there was this thing flying around the
room and I had no idea what it was and
watched it with curiosity it looked like
a little piece of hot metal and it was
just flying in sort of a browsing motion
up and down and back and forth and flew
around the room several times and got
close to us several times I didn't know
she was awake and after it flew around
for a while I was just curious I
realized that it avoided obstacles like
if it came to a wall it would turn about
a foot away if it came to furniture it
would turn it didn't bump into anything
and so I thought this isn't something
inanimate even at that age we both I
mean she was awake too but I didn't know
we both realized that something was not
normal about this it was nothing like a
lightning bug or anything like that and
after a while it flew up toward the
ceiling it made a right-hand turn at the
ceiling it so it didn't hit anything and
then it went to the chandelier which is
in the middle of room and turned off the
rings dark and it began to circle the
chandelier between the chandelier and
the walls
it didn't feel its way around or
anything it just seemed to know where
the ceiling wasn't where the chandelier
was and began circling it circled quite
a while and I think it speeded up a
little bit did that and then it just
made a perfect spiral right down into
the chandelier what that time both of us
became terrified at the same time and we
ran out there and shrieking and
screaming so fast we bumped into each
other and fell down the stairs and ran
to our parents and they thought we'd
just gone crazy or something and didn't
believe us and so that was that happened
a long time ago and we didn't have any
idea what it was for years and years and
years and then in the 90s I think I read
writings by Jenny Randall's
UK ufologists and she talked about
bedroom visitations of young children of
UFO like objects small objects which we
had and then she said that people that
experience that often have other UFO
events later in life and we did and we
were flirting unique because we had them
together as a child and we had another
one later as and as adults look together
I'm reminded I was actually just showing
this clip here on the side I'm a
reminded of the movie that came out in
and 90s I believed maybe 80s I'm not
sure but if there's a movie called
batteries not included
with these little ships these little UFO
craft or whatever that was coming down
like little machines interacting with
people what do you think it was do you
think it was some what some people would
say that there was some type of drone or
like a modern like a little ship that
kind of would come out of a mother ship
and go out and monitor which a lot of
people believe that a lot of these
crafts that they're seeing or not manned
that they're just like observing and
recording things to report back what do
you think that it was I don't know
because a room was closed the window was
screened in and the door was closed and
so we had no idea how it got in we had
no idea why we both woke up at the same
time and we had no idea why we were
suddenly became terrified at the same
time it was kind of like there might
have been some little bit of mind
control going on or something like that
or maybe missing time because we didn't
know how the thing got inside the room
it wasn't a lightning bolt because it
was just a nice clear night and so it
was long before drones or anything like
that it was a long time ago what was the
next encounter that you had the next
encounter I had was at you know our farm
again
and we were poor we didn't have air
conditioning
I was sleeping outside
and I woke up and look north and this
object was flying over and it was like a
big sphere it was about the size and I
thought it was about the distance of a
airplane going over was just a round
glowing sphere and when it got right
above me suddenly all the dogs and
neighborhood began to bark and our dog
which was locked in the house and
couldn't see it also began to bark and
jump around and then it went on over and
I was terrified
now it's also scared of my parents so I
didn't go inside or anything I just
stayed out there terrified until it
morning but then later years later my
sister and I had a sighting together and
it was sort of a long complicated
sighting would you say that they were
pleasurable experiences did they like a
lot of times when you're when you're a
child it changes your life it sets you
on this path on this course to seek out
answers you've had experiences that that
you know not all the other kids in your
class have had at least to your
knowledge until you you know get brave
enough to start vocalizing it and say
hey anybody else ever had a little ship
fly through your room or something you
know and the scrutiny that comes with
that and you know the people making fun
of you and the ridicule and stuff so you
kind of got to own it but I feel like it
shapes people's lives when they have
those those encounters and those
experiences do you think that it was
something good or bad was it did it have
ill intentions or what do you think that
it would like it's an intent was or has
been throughout your life as it's
something pleasurable obviously it does
spark like all a Wonder creativity
there's something else that exists out
there you know these type of mind sets
but you know some people are scared of
them some people wish that it wouldn't
never happen again they've had ugly
encounters supposedly with these type of
these
beings that come in their room at night
and but other people will it to happen
they call themselves experiencers or
contactees even and the whole term
abducting abduction or abductee it's
kind of gone out the window in recent
years what do you think like is it has
it been a pleasurable experience or
would you not wish it on anyone else how
does that I mean how do you look at that
what is your relationship with it at
this point well when the first one
happened we had not heard of UFOs so we
were terrified because we thought they
were aliens or anything like that we
just had no idea and we didn't talk
about for many many many many years I
wouldn't say it was pleasurable because
it was one of the most terrifying things
that ever happened to me and I don't
know really why I was scared either but
it was absolutely terrifying
it's something that even today I have
some little ditches and my mind of being
terrified of things yeah well any
anything anytime you have an encounter
where you wake up and something's there
in your room you know uninvited it's
gonna scare you anyway and I think
that's why I like a lot of you know like
I go back to the Christian realm or
whatever but like a lot of people have
encounters with different entities that
are in their room so they automatically
say that it's an alien it could have
been a demon it could have been a ghost
a disembodied spirit may be an angry
ancestor you know they had these type of
poltergeists to have these encounters
but didn't say no it was an alien you
know these kind of experiences and so
they kind of lump them all together but
I you know I think we do
ufology spirituality or whatever type of
entity that is I think we do a
disservice when we start just lumping
everything and you know just kind of
labeling it either all good or all bad
or whatever I mean that's kind of where
we are in life right now 2019 just
labeling a group of people have all bad
or stay away or they're scary or they're
harmful or whatever have you had in any
any other encounters with with different
beings or do you think that they've
I've been the same beings that have been
kind of you know monitoring you or
contacting you throughout your life I
have no idea at that time when it first
happened we were both just curious and
wondering what was going on then
suddenly just like somebody turned on us
we were terrified and so we had a sudden
change in feelings and at that age I
don't think either one of us had much
personality so I don't think we had any
big changes in our personality like lots
of people do that have experiences later
I think in general what it did was
making me more open-minded though people
tell these weird stories I know
so you approach it from a scientific
standpoint where does spirituality come
into play for you or does it I don't
know I don't visualize it as religion I
visualize it UFO information is more
data points to use it scientifically I
mean people say you believe in it or you
don't believe in it well I don't connect
it with a religion really I just think
there's information there that you
should try to understand and look at
from different ways yeah but maybe you
know because there's a lot of people who
kind of lean more spiritual after having
these encounters like I said asking the
bigger questions in life and is God real
who are they what is that or is that the
Angels I'm reading here even here in the
comments section Gil Hodges says that
his childhood was such that I beg to be
taken away by aliens but I never saw
anything so people like once you know
there's a fascination you know if
something to kind of like it like a
Savior even these aliens or angels or
something like that something else to
exist beyond this reality whether it's
stay afterlife or these type of beings
that exist in and are watching over us
do you think that they are you know that
they've been here a lot longer than we
have are they did a date back to
antiquity I mean that's where all the
religious you know ideologies come from
were they in influenced by these these
beings or do you think this is something
new that's happening well I guess I kind
of view it is that we humans probably
have a very limited knowledge and senses
and everything else and we're probably
just taking a tiny little bit of our
environment and we may not be very
involved either because the universe is
a lot older than Earth is so yeah I
think that from evidence it seems like
people have seen things like that
Oh through history that they've recorded
are drawn but it's always filtered to
your culture and so if 3,000 years ago
you sound you saw a round ball of light
you might think it's an angel or you
might think it's a globe or an orb or a
ghost or something and if you saw today
you might think if you saw the same
thing today you might think it's a UFO
but I think it appears that that sort of
thing has been happening for a long time
but that it's described different ways
according to the culture of the person
of the witness mm-hmm oh yeah especially
like you know going back to the Bible
you see you know the cloud by day you
know the fire by night you see there was
one instance where I think I want to say
it was like Elijah or it was one of the
prophets maybe Jeremiah who says that
he's seen it like a scroll or like a
role that was glowing red and everyone
talks about these type of red orbs or
these orange orbs or whatever the cases
so people have been having these these
encounters with these these type of
craft or whatever
the craft that you've seen especially
being a scientist so is it have these
have these largely been the
nuts-and-bolts craft or have you seen
the ones that actually morph and take
shape and they almost seem alive like
they could actually be an entity
themselves which some people believe
that the crafts are alive as well have
you seen the the - or is it mainly been
some type of nuts-and-bolts craft that
you've seen again I don't know I saw
things that look like crafts but I don't
know
they are crafts yeah pick on that
appearance there's a lot of information
about people that may see like a or bird
globe that then it turns into a humanoid
shape and things like that so it's it's
like maybe they can take different
shapes and they have like cloaking
technologies we were talking a lot about
you know just just looking into the
ocean and the different beings and fish
that have that can you know cloak and go
invisible and shake change shape and
change color and you can't see them and
and these are you know real life forms
that exist in the bottom of the ocean
you know and I really do believe in a
term as above so below so if we look
into the night sky
whether we're seeing craft or we're
seeing beings that exist outside of the
atmosphere
some people believe there's a big push
now this whole Flat Earth talk that that
there's water out there that spaces
water and these type of so it would kind
of give room to the beings that we're
seeing in the ocean seeing very similar
entities in the sky even have you looked
into you know underwater UFOs or
anything like that I've looked into it a
little bit I think you know they seem to
be able to levitate and everything so I
don't know why they wouldn't be the same
in water as they are in the air and
people report them coming out of water
and going into water and things like
that
for people who don't know tell us a
little bit about Project Blue Book and
and what that whole deal is and your
involvement with that I worked at
Battelle Memorial Institute and I've
been at wright-patterson Air Force Base
and that was where Project Blue Book
took place and so I've talked to a
number of people that worked in it it's
its predecessor started about the time
of the Kenneth Arnold sighting of flying
saucers and Roswell it was called first
of all project saucer because nobody
knew anything about him and they evolved
into project sign which was the
government study of UFOs that was in
some ways it was more open-minded than
later studies because they considered
that they may be extraterrestrial or not
man-made but then they began to be the
government began to debunk the whole
idea and this evolved into project
grudge and it was named that because it
was the government agency was set up to
debunk everything and later this evolved
about 1952 in the project Bluebook which
lasted until 1969 and that was the
government study of UFOs and that was
for example the History Channel had a
program about a series and it showed dr.
Hynek going out to investigate I'm sorry
it's listening I have no idea of what's
happened
it just went off maybe it's and that was
the long investigation where they took
reports and went out investigated and
talked to the people excited the UFOs
and and then fill out forms and things
and the part I was covering in more
detail on my book was a study done by
Battelle Memorial Institute and it was
first of all top-secret study and people
know about Project Blue Book that they
the heineken people went out and
investigated and talked to people and
that sort of thing which is shown on
History Channel but there was another
part of it and this is a secret part and
that's what they did with the data and
what they did with the data was designed
a real good questionnaire where they can
take discrete properties of the UFO
phenomena such as how many do you see
how long did you see it what shape was
it what color and that sort of thing and
filled in with a questionnaire they used
the questionnaires to do a real good
computer study of it which was called
special report number 14 and in this
after they did this good study they
found out that there's less than one
chance out of a billion that UFOs are
not conventional objects that there's
something else so it in a way you prove
scientifically that they exist how I
mean what were some of the ways that
they would try to discredit people or
you know debunk all of this stuff was it
to kind of you know go after the the
people who were having these experiences
and they always said well you know it's
it's the redneck from the south it's the
man who lives in the woods and he's
uneducated and you know why why can't
the abductors or up here to people who
are smart and educated it's always these
dumb Hillbillies in the mountains or in
the woods or whatever what were some of
the things that they would do to try to
debunk this or you know some people have
even talked about you know
our gated individuals where they you
know mess with people and drive them
crazy maybe even kill people we've heard
stories about what what are some of the
different things that they would do to
target individuals who were having these
experiences I mean there's this weird
hysteria even in the field for people
who have had encounters and they still
to this day don't want to do what we're
doing right now
and talk about this stuff openly because
they feel like they're going to be
targeted by the government because they
already know too much what were some of
the things that they were doing or are
doing well they were they would people
that had perfectly good sightings and
say they're crazy they're imagining
things they're seeing the moon or things
like that that they couldn't possibly
report there was one real good one real
good sighting in Ohio called me Portage
County UFO chase it was by two policemen
Spahr and NASA it was a pretty
well-known one and these policemen were
joking first of all with me please
somebody on the police radio who said a
woman in Michigan saw a UFO and
everybody laughed about it which is the
common thing and then they went to look
at a car that was sort of weird it had
seven sexes the hell written on the
doorway and this object is they were
looking at the car this object came over
the trees very close to him and very
bright and they were no longer there
laughing they were terrified and they
ran to their police car and got in it
and called the police radio and the
person the person on the police radio
said shoot it and they what this isn't
such a good idea but what happened next
was quality were on the police radio the
whole time they began to follow it and
they followed it through Ohio
it was fairly low and slow and when they
got to the Youngstown Ohio Air Base they
heard that it was on radio radar and
that they had scrambled jets and people
sold jets and they had the reports that
it was on radar so they kept on
following it they got clear into
Pennsylvania it there were a whole lot
of witnesses there are other places in
the salt and they were on the police
radar all the radio all the time so it
was just an excellent sighting but then
Project Blue Book said they were they
saw either Venus or a satellite which
didn't match what they described at all
and it made him look like they were
crazy because they were police people
and it really affected their lives yeah
well I mean so are these like you know
government funded programs that do this
well they had during Project Blue Book
they had two government projects that
seemed to be set up to debunk UFOs and
one of them was called the Robertson
panel where they Mattel didn't want it
to convene when it did because Mattel
was named finished with the studies and
they were going to give these expert
scientists this information that was bad
and then have them decide whether UFOs
exist and they just they convened it
even though they didn't have the data
the CIA wasn't involved in that and the
end of it was that they wanted people to
debunk UFOs and say people are crazy and
put bad stories about him they were
crazy on the internet and things to
convince people that they didn't exist
and then later they had a study called
the conduct report where doctor
Condon content from University Club
Colorado did a study and he also
concluded there's no such thing as UFOs
but he basically concluded was is that
they weren't of national that they
weren't dangerous and he concluded
basically that in some in phrases that
they didn't exist even though they
couldn't explain one third of their data
which many's conclusion was basically
meaningless but it convinced the public
and that made him stop Project Blue
Books do you think that with all of this
thing you know this info out there
it would seem feasible and like a smart
move to infiltrate ufology to fund
people maybe even people who write books
and maybe have large budgets of money
behind them for promotion and in media
and things like that to fund people who
are disinfo agents and put them into the
ufology community to maybe even be the
face of ufology even do you think that
there's people in the field that most of
us know without even saying any names
really who are you know disinfo agents
that are that are funded by someone or
maybe even you know in it I want you
know I would phrase it to say that are
just opportunists in it for the wrong
reasons but we don't even go there are
there people who are funded by
government corporations to get in here
and push out a lot of different this
info do you believe that that's
something that we have to kind of Wade
through in this community yes one of the
first people that wrote about Roswell I
can't think of his name right now he
worked too
and can't think of his name he worked
with the government to make a person
called to make one person that was
investigating UFOs looked crazy and this
was a government work they think that
Richard Doty might be a disinformation
agent and I think he's admitted it maybe
I had interviewed a person Robert
Collins that worked with him who
supported him but I think a lot of
people think he's government
misinformation agent and there's a lot
of people that are talking you talk
about kind of wild things that might be
in that category it'll be some of the uh
you know quarry goods those kind of
people I better not mention things but
well I just I have to second guess
anyone who has it all figured out and
it's and it can package it in such a way
maybe it puts in and this is just from a
seeker myself I don't want to put myself
on a pedestal but as far as someone who
would or to even just think of myself
too highly but someone who has had a lot
of encounters a lot of UFOs a lot of
visitations again I can't I can't put it
together like some of these people claim
to do and I don't know how they do it
and I'm sure you feel the same way with
the extensive research that you've done
and you still or with me asking it
leaves you with more questions at the
end of the day versus saying that this
is exactly what it is now you probably
have a lot of conclusions or personally
what you think they are but to say you
know without the you know shadow of a
doubt matter of fact this is what we're
dealing with it's really hard to say
that just makes you question anyone
really who claimed to have it all
figured out yeah and a lot of people say
they work for the government and they
saw all these things bodies and
everything and I worked for the
government and I didn't see bodies I saw
some evidence that there were under down
we're on the Chamber's and things like
that but when I worked for government my
supervisors turned in a UFO report and
we were supposed to identify everything
flying over this particular area of the
earth
and we didn't have a clearance for UFOs
even though would be related to our work
my supervisors turned in a report from
our satellite photography and they were
severely debunked by the agency even
though we were kind of working in that
field which gave me the feeling of high
up in the government there's people that
know something about him in or even
debunking government workers yeah
whether it's you know like again I guess
the second point of the second side of
the point was the fact that first of all
you have people who are you know dis
info agents but then you again you have
people who are you know opportunists
because this is a growing field that's
beginning to be a lot of money in this
field and book tours and speaking
engagements and TV deals and ancient
aliens is huge right now and so the
people who would kind of get into the
field and maybe even if you know this
probably people who started out and then
they you know meant well when they
started but who would just kind of you
know fluff up the stories a little bit
and in add things and you know just
makes them kind of make it up as they go
I really feel like we're dealing with a
lot of people who do that you know in in
the field there's people who were just
opportunist and and they're here and we
have to wade through their stuff and
they maybe we have a bigger budget than
you
they have a better publisher or whatever
the case is but they get more eyes on
their material because it's flashy
because it's you know as a matter of
fact and if any of you came out and said
as a matter of fact you would probably
get a little bit more attention on you
and this is what's going on and you know
you kind of have to push people around
and and and maybe you know degrade or
try to debunk other people's work or
whatever even if they've made it their
life work and even if they're telling
the truth I think we have a lot of that
going on - it's in every field you know
it's in the religious field it's in it's
you know it's it's in politics you know
when it's definitely in ufology as well
and for example mj-12 which are
purported to be documents leaked from
the government that discuss UFOs and
government people working with aliens
and that sort of thing
well that's taken up an awful lot of UFO
investigators time but there's no way to
document whether any of it's right or
not and there's good reason to think
it's not but it seems like the
government is somebody spent it awful
lot of time working to get these
documents to look right and look like
they're real yeah you have a lot of that
going on but as far as your your
experiences right and people saying
having their their own personal
encounters we've heard tons of stories
now whether they're made up or real I'm
not sure but it's far you said you've
been down these different corridors in
hallways where that was well would they
lead to you know maybe UFOs that are
docked there or meeting rooms were or
holding cells what was what do you think
was down there and these different
corridors that you you found well I was
just in the same place where people that
were doing that then worked like Project
Blue Book had been I would
we just needed that because I'd walked
down the same halls and corridors where
they had done their work but for example
at wright-patterson Air Force Base it's
very very secure and so there's just
maybe a very few like four or five
ufologists have actually been on base
and I was on base and I looked around
because I work and also I knew somebody
that worked there that showed me around
and so I looked at some of the places
where there were stories about aliens
and hidden chambers and things and I did
find some evidence suggest that there
were hidden chambers and that sort of
thing I've heard all kind of informants
stories about bodies and debris and
things at wright-patterson but I've
never seen him but I have seen evidence
suggesting that the chambers were there
were people described speaking of the
debris and stuff like that what can you
tell me about memory metal well this
came from working at Battelle Memorial
Institute they were to do a study under
project Bluebook a statistical study
where they designed a questionnaire and
did statistical work on it so the
workers that did that project were
supposed to be statisticians and like
psychologists that type of people that
design questionnaires well it turned out
that the actual people the dentists
studied from mattel were metallurgist
which had nothing to do whatsoever with
what they were supposed to be doing for
some reason they hired Miller just and
so people wondered why did they hire
Miller just when that wasn't their field
and it wasn't what they wanted people to
do well another person I back in the 90s
had heard this
one man helped me this man in the fit in
the 1950s when nobody really knew
anything about Roswell or debris or
anything else and he was a metallurgist
of some status and he informally told
this person that he was working on metal
from the degree from a Chrysler metal
from a UFO et metal and so anyway this
was just dormant for a long time and I
published at about 1994 it just in a
local little news letter and then Smith
and Kerry he wrote the book witness to
Roswell one of the people that work with
him and interviewed me and they put that
in to witness the Roswell well it turned
out that Mattel had done some studies of
nitinol which might have some properties
of memory metal and it went all over the
internet that possibly this was memory
metal and possibly they had back
engineered some form of mental memory
metal from this we did have to be would
that would that be something like like
if you're dealing with mercury or
something that's able to take the shape
and just mold and Ben how does that how
would you think that that works yeah
some of the people that saw the first
assault
apparently Solar Rose oh Christ said
they like this really weird type of
metal that you would bend it and take
its shape back and you couldn't destroy
it with anything like bullets and things
like that so if you have this type of
metal maybe that would be you know how
they're able to cloak as well able to
bend light or have this metal you know
just change directions to where you
can't even see it
the or even changed the shape of the
ship we're talking about these plasma
ships as well people see these ships
that are just morphing and changing
shapes and combining with other ships
and a lot of really weird aerial
phenomena that goes on so do you think
that that would have something to do
with the memory metal as well probably
it might there were a lot of stories
that I mentioned my book in Ohio Ohio is
where wright-patterson is and there's
pretty definite proof that something was
sent from Roswell to wright-patterson
and there's stories about not only
Mattel but other places were they
investigated some unusual metals and for
example kink and roller bearing had one
of the hottest furnaces in the world and
there's a story that something was
shipped out there and that they exposed
it to this very hot furnace and it
didn't hurt at all there's stories from
Wright State University that these
people were - these graduate students I
think our scientists were to explore the
characters this type of metal and they
fired bullets at it
and it just didn't hurt it at all yeah
bullets and ammo wanna and it just never
even budged is UFO that appeared yeah
there's stories like that it's I wonder
if there's some type of technology that
can penetrate it though I try to talk to
some people about this and everybody
comes from a different realm but there's
that there's these different videos
online of what looks to be some type of
craft coming towards the Earth from
space and and these are taken from from
different spaceships or satellites and
and there will be a flash and looks like
a plasma beam or something shot from
Earth up towards the craft and it moves
out the way and then turns around and
leaves out the other direction seeing
videos like that and then doing the
research of
what the government knows about UFOs and
aliens and things like that and then we
have space force this thing that I think
I think we've had space force for a very
long time we're just now hearing about
it you know probably because they're not
gonna be able to hide a lot more stuff
that they're gonna be doing in the open
may be transporting some of these craft
or ships or whatever the case is so it's
kind of an open now what's your take on
that as far as like this war between
space and us from a religious standpoint
I do have to approach it from this way
and if there is a good and a bad I feel
like the bad people are here on earth
running things and poisoning the water
and doing out passing evil wicked laws
and all kinds of weird stuff that's
happening on the earth I feel like these
are the evil people and the good guys
are out there to me they are more
angelic right and I do I'll do for like
there's a war there's a lot of people
who claim that with night-vision goggles
you can see fleets of UFOs as people who
claim that you you see them shooting at
one another or maybe it's us up there
with nuts and bolts craft that are
shooting at them Edgar Cayce says that
the Battle of Armageddon was going to be
fought in outer space do you think that
we are at war with some of these
entities and who what is good what is
bad do you have an opinion I know it's
hard to say that you know but you have
an opinion on this good traits maybe
they have have prime directive like in
Star Wars to just interfere a tiny
little bit but to let us take care of
our own problems and watch what happens
or something I think Star Wars has a lot
of information in it about what's going
on I really do
even the angel thing like there was
there's quotes where they're talking
about the angels that live on these
other planets and stuff like that in
Star Wars and that they you know star
pilots and fighter pilots or one day I'm
gonna grow up and be one and that's all
of these different quotes and stuff like
that somebody who knew you know a little
bit more than we knew or no put that
stuff in there years ago years ago and
now we're just hearing about space for
something that seems like it's out of a
fairy tale or out of a Star Wars movie
is actually real life there really is a
space force that people are gonna be
able to sign up and go fight for and all
of this kind of stuff without and
there's a lot of testimony from people
who have who claim and these that just
claims what people claim to be a part of
different projects like that and have
been to space and have fought against
these type of entities that are that are
out there and I think I think I'm more
of a level-headed approach is to say
that you know they're not good or bad
they are like humans they choose maybe
they wake up on the wrong side of the
bed and they have a bad day or whatever
just to say that they're all good or bad
but I do feel like there's like this
cosmic code of an of enlightenment that
it that you know to have that type of
technology and to survive up there there
has to be some type of code of exit
ethics or code of conducts and I really
do feel like you know if there is a war
I don't I don't feel like there that you
know that bad you know the beans that
are out there that have been I feel like
they've been here you know for since the
beginning watching over us I mean
there's cave paintings and all types of
it's mentioned in the holy books they've
been here so if they wanted to destroy
mankind or whatever the case is they
could have done that that's not that
that's not what they want to do now if
we're getting into some of the theories
of some of the ancient alien stuff and
the 12th planet and all of this zecharia
sitchin that they've created humans to
be a slave race to you know to mine gold
or you know whatever the case is you
know some of that stuff may make sense
that they're just watching over the
planet and making sure that everything
goes as planned
almost as a pet or you know looking into
a you know a hamster cage or ant colony
or something making sure everything goes
good you don't have any opinions on on
what what's really taking place
well they say that UFOs people began to
get that concept it was connected with
aliens just before we developed our own
space program I before that I think they
had different cultural interpretations
yeah
but they some people say well it had
something to do with us inventing the
atomic bomb and things like that that
that drew a man but actually earth has
been here for like 4 billion years and
it's had the characteristics where that
this astronomers some way off would know
that it could have our type of life and
the universe is much much older than
Earth and so more advanced types of
beings would probably know that we're
here for a lot longer than earth existed
and medium from our type of Sun they
might be able to tell you know that the
Sun has the characteristics were it may
have plants with our type of life so
imagine that beings in the universe have
known that we're here for billions and
billions and billions of years and earth
is covered with life and we're saying
well why isn't there life someplace else
well we don't know and maybe we're
prevented from knowing maybe our reality
is kind of limited and we're just sort
of I won't say in a matrix but maybe we
just are not evolved enough to
understand that there's other life-forms
around maybe they're here all the time
yeah do believe and some type of etheric
field that exists around us where
there's entities that live or
there's some bodied spirits and you know
some believe especially with the Flat
Earth stuff is that they don't believe
they believe in UFOs and they believe in
these entities but they don't believe
that they come from space they believe
that they come from just right here in
our midst and they're able to pop in and
out through other you know portals of
dimensions and things like that but when
it comes to we're not ready to I guess
as a species to evolve or we're not
ready to handle the information somebody
knows about it right the government
someone knows whether it's the Vatican
which probably holds some some keys you
know the government they know stuff and
they're keeping it secret for a reason
why would they keep the secret a lot of
people say that all the world religions
will fall apart and that's an old notion
I don't believe that I think that you
know that you know they've done polls
and they've asked people how many people
believe in you you know the existence of
aliens or UFOs and you know the numbers
are staggering where people are just
okay with it in they kind of believe
whether there was a you know periods of
conditioning through the media through
ancient aliens and pushing that they
just get people ready to get the Pope
the Pope had a lot of quotes that he was
getting people ready and saying hey well
maybe if they do exist they're our space
brothers and we can win them to Jesus as
well you know all these weird quotes
from the Pope and different world
leaders and stuff like that just kind of
maybe getting the people ready I don't
think that if the government came out
and told us the truth that it would
cause pandemonium unless maybe if we
were at war maybe that would cause
pandemonium that we're fighting against
them that they are our creators and they
want to come back and maybe where we
don't want to give up our Thrones you
know that as far as us I say you know
the world leaders you know maybe that's
the reason I mean I have to believe that
that it can't be something that's just
easy for us to believe that they exist
unless there's some type of galactic war
that's been going on for a long
and we're a part of it obviously were a
part of something now by the name of
space force because that's a thing you
know that's not even if that's a thing
now so something's going on in that you
know maybe the existence is one thing
but then again what you know the agenda
maybe another you know maybe that's why
they won't tell us because there is then
they would have to eventually disclose
an agenda and who they are we owe them
something you know we've exchanged
technology now we've assigned treaties
with them that they can abduct people or
whatever there's a lot of different
theories out there but um what I mean
what kind of thoughts you know have you
do what do I you wrestle with when it
comes to this cuz there's a lot of
government involvement why would they be
withholding this information why don't
they want the average Joe to know the
truth that this is part of our reality
they do exist why wouldn't they want the
American people although you know the
people of Earth to know that they exist
one of my thoughts is one of the
government is under mind control from
the parts top parts of the government
earned their mind control from the UFO
phenomena that would be bad and I said
it would be bad because we wouldn't be
finding out anything it seems to me like
transparency would be the best thing but
it's not the way it's organized and I
think when you people first got the idea
of UFOs they were thinking about oh
these are Russian crafter things and
they wanted to find out all about him
and keep the enemies the other countries
from knowing and say well we know about
him and the other countries don't and
you know and so I think that's how it
started and it started as classified
information from the very beginning
because they interpreted it as from
other countries and I think it's been in
the military ever since instead of in
scientific research where it should have
been and so it still is in the mail
area and the government which will hide
things and use reticule and everything
else to keep people from studying that
which they have so I mean I just wonder
if there might be some kind of mind
control influencing the government from
the UFO phenomena well maybe that's
where it comes in to the whole demon
thing influencing you know the minds of
the BR leaders who are doing bad things
or whatever the cases are holding stuff
back you know there's a lot of there's a
lot of theories out there about you know
the origins of civilization and you know
who we are and who our leaders are as
that knows that that elite the bloodline
and who you know what you know where
they come from or they even come from
you know another solar system you know
themselves or the different races down
here on the earth or just you know are
seeded from different galactic you know
organizations as well it really it
really gets the mind working but just
knowing that something exists even
though we can't put our finger on it
something's going on and I think that's
enough research to just really get
people exploring and trying to make
contact and stuff like that have you
ever tried to make contact I mean you
know the whole you know Close Encounters
for the first second third fourth and
you know we have the fifth kind and ce-5
initiative where people are now going
out not being contacted themselves but
they're trying to initiate contact have
you ever been a part of any of those
type of groups of stargazing and trying
to communicate you talking about this
mind control and dealing what that could
be dealing with telepathic communication
have you ever experienced any of that
stuff and and and you do you feel a
connection with them maybe when you gaze
at the Stars I mean that's where you
come from there's there a connection
there have you uh that there's any of
that ring a bell for you with with
trying to you know say hey you know who
are you and you know
and kind of engaging contact yourself
there's a lot of people doing it and
some people claim to have success doing
it I never tried it because it seemed
like what happened was my sister and I
were contacted that well like we had our
first experience before we ever heard of
UFOs and so we weren't trying to contact
anything and we were both terrified and
I wonder if fear has it's Nature's Way
of telling you to be careful or things
like that and so I think I've I'm I've
been invited to go with people that say
they say UFOs all the time and I curious
about that and I've wanted to go and
somehow I just haven't made it so I
haven't really explored the idea of
contacting them because I have a
cautious nature you didn't have the only
one there's a lot of people who we start
talking about things like that and they
just throw up a red flag be careful you
know I just released a new t-shirt and
it's a it's a it's a picture of my
little character being abducted or taken
away my logo by aliens on the ship it's
pretty cool t-shirt just release that
but then some of the comments people are
saying be careful what if your shirt but
facilitates that maybe you will it to
happen and you get taken away upon a
ship I've had a lot of close encounters
and and there is that fear that still
gets there when you see a craft there's
that all and wonder as long as they stay
far away but when they come in the
programming the movies all of these type
of things that comes back to say oh what
if what if fire in the sky was really a
true story and it happened like that and
they're gonna take me and not bring me
back like that you still have to battle
with with
with with the fear and stuff but I think
you really have to move past that to
initiate anything I mean its fears what
cripples people you know it's fear holds
people in dead-end jobs to not step out
and fulfill their passion because what
if I don't make it what if I fall on my
face what if I get abducted you know so
there's that fear that's there but at
the same time it could be a healthy fear
and it's a fear for a reason but um you
know there's people doing it and um you
know you know I guess encourage
exploration and and just like to hear
about people's encounters you know I'm
exploring but you've never had that you
know you don't think you've ever had
that telepathic communication where they
say hey look up here we are and you look
up and you see them or anything like
that yes all coincidence Hey look this
really yeah I think if it starts
happening more and more you know you
still have a couple of them maybe once
or twice but when it's like a bunch of
things like you know people talking
about synchronicities and seeing the
same numbers seeing the same hearing the
same phrases those type of things over
and over to hold on something is trying
to get my attention whether it's you
know God or the we say God or we could
say the angels or they could be the ETS
that hold all of this stuff together you
know and and and are here communicating
with us or use talking about having the
government under my control or have us
all under some type of weird mind
control I mean if the government's being
controlled I mean they regulate what's
on the television and what we put into
our bodies and all kinds of stuff so
it's like if you have the head then all
of us are kind of by default in this
weird
you know I'm saying disillusion as well
and in in our own reality and what we
believe is real and this this life in
existence and it does leave us with more
questions it's not as simple as I said
oh you know and even as people in the
comment sections here watching this live
saying oh they're demons
they're just demons it's like I don't
think it's that easy like it maybe makes
us feel good like we have it all figured
out but we I don't think we know and
maybe even the people at the top we're
talking about the world leaders and the
religious leaders and thinking that they
know maybe they just know a portion or a
fraction of what it is that is really
going on in how it operates and and
who's who may be of this type of you
know Galactic Alliance or Federation or
maybe they've been lied to as well I
don't know it doesn't rege me though and
I've given my life much like you to
trying to understand what's going on and
you know and I left here asking more
questions at the end there today which
is what usually happens not admitting
that things can fly around that we have
no control over mm-hmm yeah and it
there's definitely a UH whether say a
race for power or a thirst for power or
wanting to keep your throne you know
your Thrones of dominion over the earth
and something's going on and we're left
here with more questions but the good
thing about these conversations is that
other people you know are listening to
these and they hear stories like that
you've had like when you were younger
you and your sister and they've had
similar stories as well there's similar
encounters and I'm reading here in the
cut in the comment section people are
saying yeah I've had of something
similar as well and let you know hold on
first of all I'm not crazy you know I
don't need to go see a psychiatrist
other people are having similar
encounters let's get to the bottom of it
and at least let us reason and try to
figure out what's going on there's
something strange about we're talking
about the people the kid
who are having these encounters right
people who have had this encounter when
they were three or four or five years
old you know
and it marks them it sets them out on
this path of you know seeking out the
divine asking the bigger questions and
getting to the bottom of it whether it's
the divine that's marking them or hey I
need you to County this is how I'm gonna
prep you I'm gonna say hello to you when
you're a kid I'm gonna come in your room
and let you know what's going on that's
going to shape the course of your life
that's gonna lead you to ask the bigger
questions and into these different
fields of research and things like that
so I really enjoyed this conversation if
there's any anybody who wants to check
out you work you've got several books
some interesting ones at that if people
want to check out your work check out
your books where's the best place for
them to look that stuff up at my website
is Irina Scott comm and they can just
put in the name I read a Scott and it
should pop up it shows my books and if
they click on a book it just immediately
goes to amazon.com and they can order
one of the books here that catches my
attention god is a woman the origins of
Yahweh Allah and the gods of India in
Asia what's the premise of that I feel
like that would make for a good episode
as well that's the evidence that the
original religion for most of time
humans have existent has been a goddess
a female goddess and that the religions
that we have now with a male are
derivative of the original religion and
that maybe the original religion was
different and more open-minded than some
of the so-called religions we have now
that worship males is a deity today
religions are kind of competitive where
the Muslims are killing the Jews and the
Jews are killing somebody the Christians
are killing somebody else and there's a
whole lot of strife that maybe that
really isn't religion maybe religion is
following the golden rule and doing
things to help other people regardless
of their appearance or you know nation
not religion or anything else yeah
things what it's a uh you know God made
man in his own image and then man you
know turned around and created God in
his own image
you know created fashion to God after
their own liking hey this is how we want
God it is very funny how your God loves
or hates the things that you love and
hate you know your you know religious
upbringing or God doesn't like gay
people well no you don't like gay people
and you know God doesn't tolerate this
but he tolerates that he doesn't get
into this but that's okay like we're not
gonna address that we're gonna sweep
that under the rug and it has so much to
do with control and fashioning a God
after our own image and likeness which
at the end of the day is idolatry
creating a God after our own image and
so you see that a lot and it moves into
cognitive dissonance and people you know
they don't even even ask these bigger
questions about why they you know
believe in a type of God that caters to
them and it's the same way with I'll
talk about you know the medium world
where people are channeling and mediums
and how convenient that the information
is coming through is stuff that they
already believe and things that they
want to say but they can't say it unless
they have a channel you know and so
religion even acts as a channel to to
really say how you really feel and how
bitter you may be or how hatred you
don't say hateful you may be and you
know how pleasing your God feels the
same way you know and each and every one
is or how liberal you are your God's
liberal mine too so it's really
interesting I'd love to have a
conversation with you about that one as
well we'll have to do it
good I have my friend well I really
appreciate you hanging out with me and
we'll do it again very soon thanks so
much for coming on well thank you very
much for inviting me and having to talk
to thank you my friend we'll do it again
great great conversation ladies and
gentlemen dr. Irina Scott good stuff at
the end of the day man like more
questions you think you you think you
know but you have no idea just when you
turn the leaf there's so much more more
questions more questions more questions
and then you know a life of pursuit but
still can't put your finger on it can't
say that this is exactly what it is and
I really do question the people who
claim to have it all figured out but
then again in my mind I'm like isn't
that kind of pompous of me to say just
because I don't have it figured out
means that they don't have it figured
out that's kind of pompous of me to say
right just because I don't know it all
doesn't mean that they don't know it all
but I uh I really don't think that they
do I'm trying to get to the bottom of
this I've given my life into pursuit of
this and how it works the spirit realm
God the angels demons Devils entities
fairies all of that stuff are they real
or are they real if you believe it
that's deep
they exist if you think they do I really
lean more towards that now if you
believe that they exist than they do
even if it's just for you in your mind
in your reality and your imagination
whatsoever a man thinketh in his heart
so shall he be whatever you shall
believe nothing shall by any means be
impossible unto you
it becomes real just for you in your
world write a book tell people do a
podcast do music get a budget begin to
roll out this idea market it maybe
creates apps in the internet and
algorithms that stifle other opinions
and promote yours to change the
narrative to change the way that we
think to push that narrative out there
to make people think that this is real
whatever it is that you believe if not
the old souls if not us we're stuck in
our ways at this point right if not us
maybe the next generation maybe to make
them think that this is ok maybe them
for them to think that this is the way
people should think or this is the way
you engage with people or engage with
God or engage with sex or engage with
culture this is the right way right they
write the narrative changing of the
narrative this is what we're dealing
with man it's crazy the universe works
in such a way we had this discussion
this morning me Watchmen and the voice
just about how the internet is fashion
in such a way that you can pretty much
find any information that you're looking
for you can go to google be your best
friend and you look up something you're
gonna find it yeah I remember years ago
just looking up I woke up and there was
a loud humming noise outside and it
sounded like a diesel engine it was like
5:00 in the morning I needed to get up
at like 6:00 for work I woke up and what
is that noise it just sound it sounds
like a diesel engine crank it sounds
like a loud truck but it's just
permeating the atmosphere almost feeling
like it's coming from above so I get
online and this is when I'm doing
Illuminati UFO research all that kind of
stuff at the time this is probably back
in 2009 maybe so I look up UF
sound diesel-engine
i found a website i found a website
where people talk about seeing UFOs that
when they seen them they purr sound like
a diesel truck running you're an engine
wow it's like so there hey I got proof
somewhere out there pretty low you know
Google exists in a way that you find
what you're looking for you'll find
someone that believes it you'll find a
religion you'll find a church even that
believes what you believe in caters to
what you believe in I used to go to a
church that catered to bikers everyone
had Mohawks purple hair nose piercings
wore leather jackets and that was a
church they catered to those people
there was a church right across the
street that caters to upper-class white
people they did not allow homeless in
their church the homeless people came
they turned them away they actually
brought them to the biker Church you
know there's a religion as a church the
Internet all work in such a way that you
find what you're looking for but I
believe that the universe works in such
a way not just the internet but the
universe and so some of these concepts
that may seem far out to someone some of
these concepts that again people do
laugh at people do scoff at I think
you're crazy you know it's truth for you
you've experienced it you've encountered
it other people have no idea what the
heck you're talking about no idea what
you're talking about but you've
encountered it you've been to those
realms you've done the research but then
again
don't let that pride overtake you and
feel like I know it all because you've
done the research because you have the
experience you have to approach it with
a sense of grace a sense of mercy
because you were just like them at one
point when someone pulled you aside and
tried to give you some truth or pulled
you aside and tried to correct you on
some things
and you didn't want to hear it so now
that you so-called have the truth and
you want to share it you have to show
those people with that same grace showed
those people that same grace that was
shown to you that's all you can do no
more no less as it was given freely
given to you freely receive freely give
it that's what you got to do you'll find
what you're looking for I got friends
who like I said again they look for the
evil in everything I mean there's common
you just go to the comment section of
YouTube especially anything spiritual I
got a lot of people sending me uh
still sending me Stephen banned cars
videos please don't send me Stephen
banned College videos I don't want to
see him it's counterintuitive kind of
productive I know what he's about I know
what he brings he's trying to debunk
everything that you know my show what
that everything that I stand for right
and people still send me those videos
almost like a slap in the face see
listen to this guy he's telling you that
they're evil he's telling you that
meditation is demonic publicly again
please stop sending me Stephen bankcards
videos people we had a couple people who
just insist on doing that and maybe I'll
repent or maybe I'll start believing
like he does again you'll file whatever
you're looking for we've talked about
this so many times go online right now
we should just okay we're doing an
experiment for those of you who are
listening on the podcast apps visually
you want better see this but I'll try to
explain it and do decent commentary so
let's see only me let's see me and Webb
here we go
so here's me and the computer we're
gonna go to YouTube here okay and
there's me and YouTube so this is what
we're gonna do we're gonna look up
videos why I left Wow
why I left Christian why I left
Christianity for Buddhism why I left
Christian science
why I left Christianity and we're just
gonna look at this tons of videos tons
of videos why of people X pastor leaves
the church says the Bible isn't real why
I am no longer a Christian now let's
just let's just say the person who's
kind of green let's just say they don't
know a lot of stuff they have a research
slot this is the first video they
watched koi fresco tried to get him on
the podcast a couple years ago why I
left Christianity and this is the first
video you've seen you'll see this guy
and you may hear his story and that may
be your conclusion or you may watch six
of these videos and most of these people
say why they left Christianity but now
their pagan they left Christianity and
now they're atheist or Buddhist or
they're spiritual right but then again
so koi he's definitely Cory fresco let's
just say he's definitely deals with more
the the Vedic traditions now more of
Hindu and sa while of Christianity tons
of videos it can reshape your mind while
I left Christianity let's say say why I
left Hinduism and here you go here while
if Hinduism for Christianity these are
gonna be a bunch of videos about people
who came out of Hinduism and they're
gonna tell you bad stuff about Hinduism
they're gonna tell you bad stuff about
the leaders bad stuff about the doctrine
they met Jesus you know what I'm saying
they they just believed our religion is
fake whatever the case is you're gonna
listen to all these people this is the
same thing go back these are wild left
christianity christianity jesus is very
near and dear to my heart
right
Jesus is very near and dear to my heart
and he does a lot of people saying why
they left and then on the other hand
people have went to Hinduism right
keep going
meditation watch the see your passim on
my video meditation is dangerous
look at that meditation is dangerous
here's dr. oz showing you the benefits
of meditation the dark side of
meditation meditation is demonic right
should Christians meditate it's yoga a
sin you know all of these weird ideas
and here's people who have probably had
some weird experience meditating or
studying information about meditating
and they have a testimony how God called
them out of the New Age and away from
meditation and they were called out of
it and you should leave it too but then
again you're gonna find people who have
maybe encountered Jesus during
meditation you're gonna find people who
have changed their life become better
better people they've maybe kicked
addiction I got a friend of mine right
now did a podcast with him Andrew he
meditates 15 minutes every morning
changed his life helps him to be mindful
helps him to set the intention for the
day he has a static encounter beautiful
encounters and you're gonna find people
on both sides you know find people
disagree and and and crap on everything
yes it's the truth
so for you to say aliens are demons
I got some other people who have other
encounters and they tell you something
different really then when it comes to
ufology and you know my standpoint I
started off following this stuff or
studying this stuff in Christianity not
really because I was fascinated as a kid
I was scared of them as a kid though
then I became a Christian and I've got
into ufology as a Christian but they
were all saying the same thing and I
felt like they had an agenda most of
them were saying that there were demons
you know because you go to your favorite
and pastor that's what they're gonna
tell you but if you approach any of
these subjects with an open mind and
listen to more than one person you're
gonna find out this it's a little bit
more eclectic than you think what
cognitive dissonance prevents us from
stepping out of our comfort zone looking
into other ideas or even we have these
ideas that we we cling to and they
become idols unto us a belief system a
church whatever that was one of my big
problems and still is one of my biggest
problems with religion and church it's
the fact that your pastor believes one
thing industry agreed-upon doctrine of
the denomination of the denomination and
if he has a revelation a divine
encounter maybe he read something in the
Bible that was illuminated to him about
something that they're teaching that's
wrong they're teaching something that's
wrong and the I'm sorry Brenda I don't
have the phone lines open and that
pastor finds out this new information he
can't teach it he has to teach the
agreed upon doctrine of the church he
has to teach the agreed upon doctrine
of the Assemblies of God of the Church
of Christ of whatever whoever and I
don't that's one thing man you have to
you have to be open to the thing that
you think that you have the corner you
think that you have the market cornered
to think that you also know it all that
you understand that all you know
especially people when they're young
let's look at Stephen bang cars this the
dude who's like just became a Christian
now he's an expert on all of it he just
he just got born again praise God he was
into some things and got in over his
head you know he met Jesus changed his
life that's a beautiful story but now
he's an expert on Christianity now he's
an expert on the New Age and all this
kind of stuff so um I don't believe it
I'm not buying it just like I don't
believe Stephen bankcards is an expert I
don't believe Corey Goode is an expert
I'm sorry I don't believe that most of
these people who you hail as experts are
they well-spoken maybe do they wear a
nice suit
do they got a great presentation do they
speak at the conferences maybe does that
make them an expert no not at all maybe
they're older maybe they speak with an
authority even though they're speaking
BS they speak BS with authority and so
much so that we just believe it we just
were convinced by their performance by
their aura you know we think that
they're telling us the truth
maybe they speak with an accent maybe
they speak like Graham Hancock maybe
they speak like Richard Dolan right
we just believe them cuz it's just like
we're just like enamored like they sound
smart maybe I feel that way because I
don't think I sound smart right people
listening this and I get made fun of all
the time in the comment section is about
how hood I am or how I think I'm black
who's this job Turkey like I get all
those weird comments you know but truth
is truth at the end of the day it
doesn't matter who's speaking it man
but you have to move past the packaging
at the end of the day truth speaks for
itself it stands for itself and you know
I deal with a lot of people especially a
lot of Christians who would say you know
truth is found in the person of Jesus
Christ
Jesus says I'm the way the truth and the
life no man comes to the Father except
by me I believe that but I believe that
what that means and what that represents
isn't what you think you think that
means about agreeing to your church
doctrine coming and being baptized at
your church let us all speak the same
things and essentially become lemmings
that doesn't mean that it's not what
that means he said I'm the way the truth
and the life he's talking about love man
he love is the way the truth in a life
because all those people who name the
name of Christ that is a part of your
denomination that is a part of your
churches they're racists they're bigoted
they are the biggest gossipers they're
the biggest back biters yeah they're
performing miracles yes they're helping
the poor but jesus said look depart from
me I never knew you why do you say you
love me and you don't do the things that
I tell you to do it gets a little bit
complicated if you will of what is what
is truth
Jesus is truth until we start talking
about aliens Jesus is truth until we
start talking about tithing until we
start talking about prophesy until we
start talking about speaking in tongues
then it's not about Jesus anymore it's
about these other other things that
accompany the religion and it's okay to
talk about these things it's okay to
differ in your opinions of these things
it really is it's not okay to lash out
it's not okay to gossip it's not okay to
name-call
slander that's not okay and so that's
what a cop accompanies a lot of these
different ideologies religious beliefs
though how different we may be well the
same at the end of the day those people
are not your enemy though we we wrestle
that we do not wrestle against flesh and
blood but with powers and principalities
and have only places that person is not
your enemy a person is your brother your
sister
so that person might need help and you
may be the one to help them especially
if you can discern what they're going
through right if you can discern what
they're going through and discern the
spirits that are on them you've learned
how to do it you have an eye for that an
ear for that then what back by gossip
slander kick them out you've discerned
it you've done well you've done well but
then what is greater is He that is in me
or is greater is He that is in them
greater is He that is in them no greater
was in he that is in me than he that is
in the world this is not a battle of
flesh and blood it's a spiritual battle
powers and principalities thought-forms
ideas people have people have researched
stuff that you wouldn't even begin to
fathom they've opened up doors and
portals to other realms that they cannot
close and they need help they need help
who's gonna help them me I can't help
everybody your pastor know anything to
help he's gonna showed you that we are
people man Kris garner tribe yeah that's
the eclectic man we are peculiar people
the Bible says
differences of opinion differences of
beliefs I mean everyone everyone of us
is different but we're beautiful man and
what we bring to the table and you have
to train yourself to honor that
it's like default to find out what makes
us different the honor what makes us
what makes us different man and just
mean I'm just intrigued with their
process what did they learn why do you
feel this way what did they say to you
what did they do to you
why do you feel this way about what
everything about religion definitely why
do you think it's okay to have 17 wives
let me let's get to the bottom of that
and it's a that's interesting okay
people believe crazy stuff man why did
you believe in aliens Trucy go let me
show you let me tell you listen to a
couple podcasts you passed the intro
stay a little bit longer let us reason
right one of the fruits of the spirits
is long-suffering being able to suffer
long ways with someone regardless of
what they believe regardless of how
offended you are it's walking in your
power knowing who you are and not being
a chameleon not being one who is easily
pushed around by every wind of doctrine
some of you guys are like that I've been
there you got to know who you are but
you allow these other people to tell you
who you are
he's just a chameleon just blend in with
the environment you loved man I had I
woke up with this word on my heart this
morning really strong for my life and
and for you too but seek godly counsel
seek godly counsel there is wisdom in a
multitude of counsel seat godly counsel
get Direction quit trying to be a lone
horse be a rebel Lone Ranger there's
power in numbers where two or three come
together and agree touching on anything
there I am in the midst of them where
two or three are gathered in my name
there I am in the midst if one can set a
thousand a flight to can set ten
thousand a flight how many if we got six
or seven how many if we got eight or
nine look what Jesus did with twelve
twelve people each one reach one each
one of those people went off and got
twelve under them train them up in
righteousness they train twelve up they
went out to change the world we're
having this conversation now twelve
people power in numbers power in unity
long-suffering spirit seek godly counsel
man I mean what's the opposite of that
it's seeking ungodly counsel going to
the counsel of the wicked what is that
it's the media turn on your television
scroll to your Facebook you'll see
you'll see
it's powering numbers man there's a
unity in the spirit of the brethren that
nothing and no one can take away from
you spirit of Christ it's all about love
man - end of the day that was on my
heart I sent out some messages this
morning and took took sought godly
counsel hit up some godly people that I
believe in you do the same find people
surround yourself with people of vision
people of valor people who are not
easily swayed people who walk in love a
supernatural love a love for the broken
love for the Fallen a love regardless of
beliefs look for those people those are
the others those are the ones those are
the people you need whoever they may be
and you're gonna go through your own
challenges you gotta prove what you
believe make sure you believe it you've
been talking a good game
now it's testing do you really believe
it do you really love people what about
this person who brings out the worst in
you they exist me I'm telling it's still
me I get it man I get it I choose love I
choose peace the Bible says that if it's
possible to live peaceably with all men
if it's possible speak evil of no man
I'm trying
we're all tempted we're all tried we all
have to prove what we really believe
those names come up those people come up
people want to reach out and touch
somebody they bring out the worst in you
you've been hurt wounded made fun of
laughed at ridiculed forgotten picked
over
no blessum actively blessed him call
their name bring their name before the
phone of the Father you have an eye for
a reason I'm telling you this is why we
got to talk about this stuff we move in
the prophetic we are we are a people of
the Spirit most people who will even
listen in this deep into this
conversation are people who have had
spiritual encounters its birth something
within them they're more sensitive to
the spirit realm they're empathic they
know what people are thinking with that
comes great responsibility you'll go mad
yeah I just had a guest on the other day
talked about a Kundalini awakening it
will kill you it will drive you insane
and guess what some people don't make it
some people don't make it it's true
those even now people who you're best
friends
they'd never turn on you you never know
there's always a line that people are
not willing to go past look at Jesus
he's speaking of 5000 people blowing
their minds sharing wisdom sharing
knowledge the Beatitudes he just tell
him about love man blowing their minds
and then he he hits him with something
deep and they said man what the hell is
he talking about any turned a left I
said miss dude is crazy
dude is he they found that line they
couldn't follow him any further like a
multitude of people is only just a few
people left with them after that because
they understood what he was talking
about they understood what he was
talking about
being able to long suffer people are
gonna walk with you man you're gonna
offend people you're gonna get offended
don't let that take root bitterness and
offense will kill you choke you out
you'll take it to the grave with you
bitter mad triggered even at a people
group you're mad at a people group I got
friends who don't like black people they
were beat up by a black person robbed by
black people now they don't like any
black people they think all black people
are you know they're triggered they I
got friends who don't like cops cops
kill black people
cops are dis cops do that never call the
cops never snitch
none of that they have these weird
preconceived notions and they judge all
people just like we were talking about
earlier just judging all aliens or
demons all aliens are this all black
people are this all Mexicans are that no
come on man if you have any of those
stigmas any of those triggers you got to
move past it there they exist for a
reason I've been talking about this a
lot the triggers exist for a reason your
heart races for a reason why does your
heart race because you have an open
wound and what if somebody's about to
touch that open wound you know it this
for the hurt is finna hurt don't touch
it
so you're protective of it it's not
healed it's not even scar tissue it's
still open and someone touches that
wound you get triggered and you jump and
you get defensive and you protect it and
that's how we are with our belief
systems with our fears with our faith
with our folly what's all of it
we're protective of it but it's a good
thing cuz to know why my heart's racing
to know why I don't want to have this
conversation let me address that we're
talking about Ascension we're talking
about enlightenment which
about healing you have to go to the
places that hurt you have to deal with
the brokenness no matter where it is at
any level of your life all of us are at
different places and the deeper you go
the more of that alchemical healing
process you're gonna have to deal with
because it gets deep the Word of God is
sharper than any two-edged sword
it's able to decipher between the flesh
and between the spirit the Word of God
is like gazing into a Bible you start
reading about yourself these different
layers of yourself the egoic mind how
selfish you are throwing all that stuff
off and then eventually when you get the
healing when you get the healing you
want others to be healed as well you
want others to be healed as well and you
want to tell people because you found
the light I got friends who preach on
street corners
they found the light at least they're
light and they want to tell people I got
friends who become vegans didn't want to
tell people you know I have friends who
had UFO encounters they want to tell
people had friends who have ayahuasca
psilocybin mushroom encounters guess
what didn't want to tell people it's
helped them you have what everybody
everyone is looking for you've
experienced that you've encountered it
you want to share it good
you would be selfish to keep it in you'd
be selfish not to tell anyone that's
good well most of us out here with this
have a zeal without knowledge you have
the zeal which is beautiful but you have
to do the knowledge you have to show
grace long-suffering let your actions
let your words be seasoned with salt it
preserves it
salt heals it somehow people are hurting
man people are dying to have open wounds
and our words are salt and we can even
heal with our words season every
conversation seasoned with a salt you
guys know we've been talking about
casting out demons just their
conversation hey I'm just talking but
I'm mission minded
I'm intentional every conversation
seasoned with salt
preservers of the earth the
manifestation those are the sons and
daughters of God that the whole and the
entire creation is waiting on you to
stop playing games and get your act
together the whole all of creation truth
anyhow hey man I really love you guys
and enjoy these conversations my guess
was with an awesome awesome guest dr.
Irina Scott she's got some really cool
books
ufology it's very near and dear to my
heart the angelic the demonic even is
very near and dear to my heart I want to
know how it operates
I want to know how not to get possessed
you know what I'm saying so I study this
stuff and I know a lot of you guys do
too and having these conversations opens
up because we've been places that other
people don't have to go and you don't
have to get possessed I was already
there let me tell you what it looks like
right there is a warning but there's
also a call to come exploration beyond
your wildest dreams that comes through a
relationship in an encounter with the
Father of lights with the thing who the
being the essence that created all of
this
each one of us sir beckon to come and
die come and didn't not yourself take up
your cross and follow me he said but in
doing in doing that you find out that
you will truly live in order to receive
your life you must lose it be he who
loses his life will find it you have to
be born again man I'm hearing all these
beautiful stories the Kundalini
awakening with my friend Lola
Scarborough the other day she says felt
like I was just born again born a second
time renewed the fire the cleansing it
cleanses cleansing flat fire we all need
that daily mem stir it up beyond your
wildest dreams it's real reading the
comments everybody had beautiful
encounters shout out to everybody in the
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your boldness and declaring God's heart
we need more of that and we'll call us
to mature and grow in love for sure
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you just you know I'm saying believing
what I'm doing and I thank you and my
family thanks you so with that I'm gonna
say peace and Shalom really enjoyed this
conversation loved hanging out with
everyone in the livestream and the chat
makes it beautiful Ali says do a show of
answered prayers through this podcast
it's not a boastful or profitable it's
helping and it's miraculous oh yeah yeah
there's so many people who have just
been touched by it and it still blows my
mind you know it really does cuz you
know but it's intentional we are mission
minded even though it just seems like
we're talking about aliens it's
something deeper
some of the one who created the aliens I
love y'all man peace of Shalom I'm gonna
get off of here if you're not a member
of our discord the link is in the
description hang out with this we hang
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you could talk on your cell phone on
your computer wherever it is hang out
with us on discord we'd love to have you
there and if you'd like to talk to me
I'm available there a lot of people want
to text me and message me and send me
all these messages I rarely just jump on
jumping discord and give you a few
minutes and just talk to you right I'm
better at that then will you you do you
know I'm saying I just it's not as
personal for me
this Court is awesome taking advantage
of it holla at you love y'all peace and
Shalom go buy my t-shirt actor to the
gift shop bother t sir
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