Soul Journey, Music and Intention | Scott Lawlor | Inspired By The NDE of Nancy Rynes

Soul Journey, Music and Intention | Scott Lawlor | Inspired By The NDE of Nancy Rynes
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bring on my guest today this is Scott
Lawler Scott welcome to the true seeker
podcast my friend how are you good how
are you thanks for having me on the
program oh I'm doing doing great man
excited to have you on excited to talk
to you and talk about your journey and I
just want to start with the fact that
how everything is connected and
everything works together for our good
right like it was so cool how you know I
got an email from you because you
checked out the interview that I did
with Nancy Rhines who had a NDE
near-death experience and that her story
inspired you to write an album entitled
the soul journey her in de and then so
now you hit me up and she showed me your
music beautiful ambient meditation type
music etheric beautiful stuff and now
you're on the podcast and we're gonna
talk about it I just love how
everything's connected man and so if I
did that interview with her we wouldn't
be having this conversation everything's
connected man is so beautiful that's
true there's everything is connected in
and it's all it's all a circle mm-hmm so
let's just start there man well let's
start here let's just give a little
background about who you are what you
bring to the table and then we'll get
into the NDE stuff and the music okay
well um I've been writing ambient music
probably for the last six years or so
I've actually been interested in music
all my life when I was a when I was
little I used to play around with
cassette recorders and record players
and make all these weird sound collages
and things like that and but off to gray
I went off to college got my degree in
English and psychology because I wanted
to be a novelist but then when I got
into graduate school I picked up a
synthesizer and started composing more
new-age music this is back in 1991 and
then I discovered that I put sounds
together much better than words so I
abandoned the notion of being a novelist
and just started touring around the
Akron Ohio area playing at different
coffee houses and things like that and
then I took like a 17 year break from
music from around 1999 till 2013 wait
that doesn't up to 17 years but anyway
so it was a long break okay it was a
very long absence from music and then I
got another keyboard that I bought on
Craigslist from from a guy and I
submitted an old album that I recorded
back in the 90s to an internet label
back in 2013 and the guy liked it and
released it and then I just started
releasing more material so I've been
doing this for almost six years is it
more of a hobby or are have you turned
it into a career where you're able to
see some income and support yourself do
it
well I get some income from it it's not
it certainly wouldn't be enough to
support me financially if I was on my
own I'm a stay-at-home dad so that gives
me a bit of an opportunity to do more of
this kind of thing but yeah it's mostly
mostly a hobby but I make some I make
some money on it here and there it's
beautiful music you have about a
customer you have a bunch of testimonies
on the page as well music is powerful
and for those of you guys who are just
listening on the podcast app or you're
just tuning in Scott was born blind so
there's kind of a you know I think it's
a little bit different there when it
comes to hearing sound right so I know
you always hear the stuff that people
who are blind or people who are undeath
or or mute or whatever they usually work
out the other senses a little bit better
and they're more sensitive to music and
to sound and to be able to hear hear
stuff does that does that go on as well
and whenever you hear music that you
hear it may be a little bit more
differently than other people most of
the time when I listen to music I I
listened to it for musicians
perspectives so I'm usually always
analyzing things are more of an
analytical mindset when I listen to
things so it it's a little more it's
just more analytical yeah when I when I
listen to things
I wonder better drum in terms of senses
being more developed that doesn't just
happen naturally that takes a lot of
them practice and you know a lot of war
to to get those to get those senses to
be more heightened it's not like
daredevil where oh gosh your loved one
says the video does a horrible job of
portraying people with disabilities and
and stuff like that and they do what
they do quite a disservice to people's
perception of what we can or can do and
how we are I think
wouldn't you say I think so and we're
talking about it now so yeah we got to
get this stuff out here but definitely
man um as far as like your upbringing
and stuff and I read your bio it talks
about coming from like a religious
upbringing that was kind of strict and
uh nothing fun at all and you kind of
abandon those ideas for a time do you
want to talk a little bit about your
upbringing and coming out of religion
and those things well I grew up Catholic
and you know we went to church every
Sunday and I remember one time I was
talking to my mom I was like mom I don't
want to go to church and she's like well
if God can spend all of his time with us
we can at least then one hour week with
him so it was more of that guilt mm-hmm
you know kind of thing because her mom
did the same thing to her and so you
know that kind of goes on from one
generation to another we have a lot of
that guilt and how you should or
shouldn't do things and you know after I
went to college you know I grew up
Catholic but I went to college at a
Southern Baptist University so that was
quite a switch and I ran into I would
have religious discussions with people
about things in the Bible I remember one
time in particular I was talking with
somebody about the story of Jonah and
you know how Jonah was swallowed by the
whale and all that kind of suffer like
and I just told the person well what
does it mean for Jonah psychologically
what does it mean for him spiritually
and the only thing she said was well if
the Bible says that Jonah was swallowed
by a whale then I believe it so she just
took it literally and that always
bothered me when people just to take the
take all that stuff's just on the
surface of what it means literally they
don't go any further to look into what
else it could mean and so I got pretty
disillusioned by just a lot of religion
after that and when I was in grad school
I went back to a Catholic University and
I got into things like centering prayer
and more into the New Age you know kind
of thing and stuff like that and then I
just left all that after a little while
and I guess my beliefs are now more I
get some more of a deist you know deism
in disease it's the idea that you know
yeah there's a God but you know he just
wound up the universe and let it run
without intervention because I could
never get my head around the whole
personal personal relationship part of
things mm-hmm that's where you are now
or that's what you came to think about
time that's that's how I came to think
at that time but I guess I'm still that
way a little bit but it's I'm a little
bit in flux because you know after my
brother died and everything you know I
that really that really um turned
everything upside down in terms of
spirituality and you know what to
believe and stuff like that and I'm
still having all a pretty difficult time
with some of that kind of thing that's
partly why I wrote the album you know
cuz music is the way I express my inner
thoughts and feelings and stuff like
that and I've written quite a number of
albums based on just everything that has
happened since then and and and those
those kind of things I don't feel like
I'm doing so well on me answering the
questions but no man you know so I'm
just trying to get a I'm just trying to
get a game plan if there was something
that shifted because you know a lot of
people they have these grandiose stories
or whatever were something happened and
then they became more conscious they
became more spiritual or whatever did
something like that happen for you it
was it just like a slow shift of just
just like a natural process to where you
are now well I I think that you know
that like I said the death of my brother
was a big part of why I started looking
more into spirituality and and like the
whole thing with near-death experiences
I've been interested in those for a long
time anyway you know ever since the well
I was in call
and yeah after that happened um you know
I've wanted to wanted answer the
question is you know is my brother okay
now that he's gone because my me and my
brother were having a discussion about
that he's like well you know we're never
gonna be the same he's like I just want
to know that he's all right and you know
after I heard you know Nancy's story and
have read some other near-death
experience accounts and stuff like that
it just led me into trying to think more
about those spiritual things Emily you
know it's kind of freaked yourself out
right we all kind of like live like
we're gonna live forever you know and
and then we want to find out what
happens and we want to be okay with what
happens and even though we have all of
these philosophies that give us hope or
tell us what's gonna happen there's
still that fear of the unknown and that
that fear that you don't exist anymore
whether at whatever the case is what did
you I mean what was your conclusion and
what would inspire the album because we
hear the you know stories like Nancy
Ryan's and other people who have had
near-death experiences are pushed to the
brink and they have this otherworldly
experience is it happening in their head
did they really go to heaven and meet
with those characters with Jesus with a
creator Christ or whatever what do you
think happens whenever whenever we cross
do you think that that's that they're
literally having those encounters or are
they creating it in this this fantasy
world inside their head well I think
those experiences are real I've never
been one to believe that after you die
nothing is left because it just never
made any sense to me that you're born
here you know live your life and then
when you die that's it there has to be
something else out there I've always
believed that I couldn't tell you what
it is but my you know my intuition has
always said that there is something
beyond this beyond this life
so I've never not even when I had issues
was believing in you know things like
the personal relationship aspect with
God and stuff like that I've always
believed that there had to be something
else out there after this yeah but this
just says just doesn't make any sense to
live your life here and then that's it I
mean yeah there has to be something more
out there that that's what I believe
anyway
yeah um but let me ask you this so cuz
we talked about God being personable uh
you know I believe that there that this
God is its personable whether whether
it's direct access to the Creator being
one thing or many different avenues like
you can speak to me through this way you
can see me through this tree you can
look at me through the smile of a child
or whatever you know these different
aspects whether we get into prayer or
meditation or whatever and it's just
different aspects where we just get that
maybe see a glimpse of God or the divine
or whatever so I definitely believe in
that but because I wanted to ask you
that just being inspired by Nancy Ron's
story it you know I'm coming from a Dias
standpoint where you know God just kind
of said everything up and lets it happen
he has no you know interference with
humanity or you know some people believe
your prayer life like you can't affect
things by my prayer and stuff like that
but when you cross over these we're
hearing these stories where once you
cross that God or the angels or whatever
definitely become more personable right
yeah I guess so yeah so what about so if
if one is a DSN that doesn't really
believe that God is a personable God
what about the Angels what about the
spirits and the other things that kind
of operate within those different levels
of dimensions and kingdoms and stuff do
you believe in that and have you had any
encounters with any type of angelic
beings or figures or anything like that
I don't know if I've had encounters with
angelic beings that I remember when I
wrote my album transition
which was written a couple of days after
I returned from my brother's funeral and
all that that album talks about how
there was one particular trapper I was I
was sitting by my brother's bedside
Janna he was in hospice and so there was
a there was a hospital bed in his in the
living room and I was just sitting there
holding his hand and I felt this
presence because there was no one else
in the room I didn't know what the
presence was that I felt this this
presence only for a moment and I don't
know what that was but my mom said you
know a couple days earlier she was with
my brother just you know sitting with
him and she started hearing these
muffled voices and she thought maybe the
TV was on in the other room but there
was no TV going and so she thought that
it was the angels telling her that they
were ready for him to come home
Wow you know my mom is pretty religious
and you know that we used to have really
deep conversations about those kinds of
things a while ago but that's hard to do
when you're like in Texas and we and
she's in Florida so ya know we don't eat
other as much as we price [Â __Â ] but
hopefully I can change that and get to
see them more yeah there's something
precious about those conversations
especially with family members and I
think it's so precious to me that I
started a podcast or we can come on here
and have these discussions you know and
talk about yeah those experiences and
what if and stuff like that you know
just understanding that I mean I have
some truths I have things that I you
know believe that are that that are kind
of like my foundation or whatever but I
think everybody has a piece of the
puzzle man and everybody has these
different experiences and I think the
truth lies somewhere in the middle of it
all right absolutely
so you said you picked up a synthesizer
and in college and started started
messing with the music
what so as far as on a
you know musician's standpoint and audio
engineer standpoint while you use in any
particular programs to make your music
and things like that are you just using
keyboards and how does that work for you
well mostly I use just my synthesizer
it's hooked up to my computer by USB and
I use things like sound Forge and
audacity and I use a lot of different
plugins for different to create
different effects and things like that
and and do my mixing it's a pretty
simple setup I don't use like a
multitrack da W like Reaper or cakewalk
or launch or anything like that I have a
really simple easy setup it just allows
me to create things cuz I'm not very
technical I'm an artist not a computer
programmer ya know I'd rather spend my
time working on working on the music
side of it rather than figuring out a
whole bunch of technical technical
things now how does that work for you
you know not being able to see how are
you able to learn maybe it's through the
shortcuts do you have somebody there
with you who can tell you what you know
what shortcuts to push on a keyboard and
things like that how does that actually
work for you
I've got speech software on the computer
that reads everything that's on the
screen oh cool yeah there's there's a
there are a couple of different programs
that do that on the computer and you
know even the mobile phones have that
technology you know iOS has voiceover
you know the androids have I don't know
what they use but they have speech also
so yeah there are a lot of other other
blind people I know who who work in
music and install like that and I've
collaborated with a lot of different
people from all over the world so that's
best pretty interesting yeah technology
is something else man when we can use it
our advantage and then connect and even
like what we're doing right now just
broadcast in this podcast this
conversation all over the world right
now and whoever wants to tune in they
can pick up their smartphone or their
computer and hang out with us for a
little while right this is so cool
just hang out and chill yeah yeah so are
you
are you using contact at all the contact
plug-in contact that is part of Native
Instruments is a big name event complete
right yeah yeah yeah yeah I've heard of
it I know I know a lot of people who use
comp compete with contact because
complete actually has voice over so yeah
now but I'm a little nervous about
getting into the whole idea of doing
everything inside the box like using
virtual instruments and all that I'm
just a little bit nervous about how all
that would work what does that mean well
I guess it means I wonder how big the
learning curve for that would be and how
long would it take me to figure that
stuff out so I can just keep working on
new music yeah because I'm listening to
it and I'm hearing some sounds in your
stuff and I'm like is he using contact
cuz I actually just found out about that
plug-in and I use a FL Studio and okay
use Nexus I don't know if you use Nexus
at all but Nexus is pretty pretty cool
when you can get all these people
chanting then you play the you know the
keys and the root notes of how you want
them to chant it gets pretty pretty deep
and I felt like I heard some voices in
there a little bit in some of your mixes
and stuff too that was really cool that
reminded me of context I just wanted to
know what like want to technical in oh
yeah contact has a crazy amount of
instruments it's it's it's there's a lot
of instruments in contact I don't know
how many thousands and thousands of
different plugins and and instruments
you can have in there but there's it's
almost unlimited we've got a couple
questions coming here in the chat so I
was kind of wanting to know this a
little bit too do you um put intention
into the music and do you believe that
that's a thing obviously you can play
certain music that makes you feel a
certain type of way just listening to
your music makes me want to relax and
start meditating just when I hear it
it can induce trance state if you close
your eyes and just go on that journey
through the music right you can make sad
music happy music or whatever and you
can make someone feel a certain type of
way just by listening to the music now
do you put intentions and frequencies
into your stuff do you do anything like
that not for meditation but I've heard a
lot of people say that my stuff would be
good for me to taste but I've also heard
people say that's all my stuff would be
good for horror movies so I'm probably
just depend on what you're listening to
but in terms of is there a purpose to my
music yeah absolutely you know I try to
write pretty comprehensive liner notes
for a lot of my albums and you know I
don't just hit random notes to play you
know drones and so I thought I have a
pretty what's the word I want to use oh
I don't know but I'm I have a lot of
intentionality in what I want to say
when I write something when I write
something new yeah and you have to cut
you get the communicators through the
music that's awesome now you taught my
you know horror films stuff like that
are you a fan of horror films or horror
music from the 80s or early 90s or
anything like that cuz that music is
just a whole nother realm and genre in
itself you know actually no but I scare
pretty easily to freak myself out
obvious it over here at night and my
imagination go wandering off and I'll
just scare the hell out of myself um so
but no I don't really get into horror
movies a lot of horror that the movies
are so visual anyway it's hard for me to
follow them what about the music what
about some of the music like John
Carpenter and stuff like that he just
went on tour I wish I had a whim and he
went on tour playing a lot of that you
know music from all those all those
movies that he worked on that would have
been at the Halloween movies didn't he
he did a bunch of them
John Carpenter he did some vampire
movies I want to say he did Hellraiser
but there's a bunch that he'd maybe even
the Exorcist like he did a lot of music
for those those iconic horror movies
yeah you know I may have heard some of
his music but I haven't really sought
out the actual soundtracks but I'll have
to do that yeah it's just a different
feel and I think a lot of it's coming
back a lot of the eighties stuff if we
you know like the the show stranger
things and the soundtrack for that it's
got that that are since pop is what they
call it and I've been trying to
incorporate a little bit of that into my
beats and stuff like that just bringing
back that that weird synthesizer you
know eighties feel you know yep now when
you said you got you a synthesizer back
in the day was it in analog because some
people are diehard when when we're
talking about synthesizer some you just
plug and play and it's all electronic
but some of them there's analogs where
you get to create the sound as you go
did you mess with that at all
um no the first synthesizer I had was
actually the in Sonic sq1 and it was
just it was self-contained I think it
had a ha it only had like a hundred and
sixty sounds on it maybe but that
keyboard lasted me for quite a long time
I made quite a bit of music on that on
that board before I gave it to a friend
of mine before I left wherever I was it
that at the time is maybe it was in
Florida when I when I left my music for
a while but I did also have a Yamaha a
n1x which was a little bit analog that
came out and like in 1997 I think it was
I think it was all those virtual analog
machines but yeah I've heard of people
who could do the whole analog thing and
all the patch cords and and all that
kind of stuff and may not be that'd be
crazy for me to to try to figure that I
know right I guess you had to back then
though right and then I can oh yeah I
got the 70s early 80s yeah it's
interesting now let me ask you this
I don't know how much you know about it
but if anyone was to speak on it I think
I think I think you could they say that
there's a different sound from a CD and
digital stuff that we have now and
different frequencies that you could
that you can't hear or pick up in an mp3
or something recorded now digitally
versus a record from you know the 70s or
whatever the case is are you able to
tell those subtle differences or do you
think that what we have now is so
sophisticated with like you know you can
do it in like surround sound and put
instruments that couldn't that makes a
sound around you there's so much you can
do now have you looked into that or
heard those arguments at all there's a
certain warmth that comes with analog
DES I don't think you can get with
digital and some in some senses I think
maybe the digital production is a little
bit clinical maybe a little bit colder
and it's lacking some of the warmth and
humanity that you could pick up on not
necessarily here but you get the vibe
that that there's something extra when
you listen to something that's all
analog doesn't there's certain warmth to
that I think
yeah and for frequency there's
definitely some crackling that you hear
when you listen into a record now and I
wonder if there's I wonder if it's still
in it though like it cuz like there's
there's like a resurgence of those
records coming back out and a lot of
people are you know stocking up their
record collection but I wonder if it was
just the way that it was recorded
because now we're still recording this
stuff you know I'm saying digitally and
then converting it to the record so I
wonder if there's you know some of that
frequencies lost there as well well I
know that there are certain plugins that
you can use that can add that crackle
that little vinyl crackle sound to the
music it's obviously not the same as if
you have a record but it's pretty close
yeah that was done a lot in hip hop yeah
I think about music where they start off
the sign
with the little record popping yep I've
done that with some of my recordings now
do whenever you start an album or a song
do you I guess an album so does the
album go into like a when you go into
the writing process do you go in with
that intention like this album is I'm
gonna do you know four songs dedicated
to Nancy Ryan's in her story I'm gonna
do four songs dedicated just to this and
almost like this could be the soundtrack
for them and for that whole experience
that you've encountered is that is that
how that works for you as far as an
album or is it song by song sometimes it
works out that way where I I know what I
want to write about beforehand a lot of
times though I'll write the music and
while I'm listening to the playback of
it I get the idea for what I want the
music to represent and in the case with
soul journey um let me think about that
because that was a while ago that was
back in October I think I was I think
that's one of the albums were my
intention was to write about that before
before I started writing the music if I
remember right yeah sometimes sometimes
I have an idea of what I want to write
about before I sit down and improvise
and sometimes I don't and the the idea
for the story comes after I've written
the music well it uh
it looks like you're starting to put out
some stuff really quick too you had like
several releases that just came out
right yeah I um I just had a piano CD
come out a couple of weeks ago called
the color of Extraordinary which has a
couple of reviews I've put out something
new in my drone excursion series I think
that's up to 26 now but yeah I really
some pretty good amount of stuff and
people usually ask me how do you do that
and my answer to that usually as well I
stay up later
everyone else and I drink more coffee
than most people in the house so yeah
you got to work when others are sleeping
whether it's at night or in the morning
you know well I'm I'm a night owl anyway
so I tend to work better at night have
you looked into any of the work from
what's-his-name Eric dolars who's I
guess you would say if I don't know if
he's a physicist or whatever but you
know he talks a lot about the early
church's how they were shaped a certain
way where you would hear the organs
playing and the music and even some of
the early Catholic stuff with the
Gregorian chants that where the music
was used and would resonate through the
buildings even in the churches to create
a trance-like state or mystical euphoric
experience just by listening to the
music have you listened to any any stuff
on that when it comes to like the early
religious stuff and you know the ways
that the buildings were shaped and stuff
no I'm not real familiar with that but I
know that you know a lot of the pipe
organs that are in these churches they
act they actually build the cathedral
around the pipe organ so it's actually a
part of the building yeah that's really
cool yeah yeah but Eric what'd you say
it was Eric Eric Dolan I had him on my
show some years ago and he got really
deep on that stuff and it was pretty
good so he's very interesting can you
email me what what podcast that was I
want to check that out yeah yes I'll
tell you the audio is really bad it was
in the early days and he's uh that's
okay he's a technician but it's
his microphone or telephone was so bad
but it but if you can listen that it's
one of the beautiful things about is
that like the audio so bad but if you
can put up with it there's so much
information in that episode it's just so
beautiful you know yeah I'll check that
out it's kind of like the price to pay
to make it happen um so when it comes to
like the music and the vibration of
stuff especially in the spiritual
community there's a lot of talk about
the 432 frequency have you done any
study of that do you try to tune to that
when you play I don't really know how to
tune to that frequency but I've heard a
lot of people use that frequency and
they say it's they say that it works
pretty well but I don't know very much
about how to do that yeah you can um
there's ways that you can do you and
it's in the a it's usually in the a
concert pitch right you're playing an a
and it just everything to 432 a and you
can get one of the easiest programs that
does it for free is audacity where you
can just bring any song in there and
tune it to a and it brings it up to that
scale with the 432 and it there's
there's a feeling that does come along
with it like you can listen to any
popular song on the radio and a lot of
people are redoing that a lot of people
are taking their favorite songs and -
Liam - that 432 pitch and uploading them
to youtube there's also apps that
they've developed - where you can
download on your phone and your song
will your the app will automatically
play your song that you're listening to
on your phone and the 432 concert pitch
as well it's very interesting but but
there is a feeling that comes along with
it like give these different notes and
things that make you feel a certain type
of way like if you want to you know
transmute us up you know the sad
emotions or sad feelings obviously
there's different notes that you can
play in combinations of chords together
that's gonna make you feel that certain
type of way and the same thing if you're
trying to you know feel
uplifted or even spiritual or whatever
the case is you can you can make that
happen too okay you'll have to check
that out because I use audacity a pretty
good bit um let's see I don't end it
this is what somebody's talking about in
the chat I want to try to bring bring
this up I don't know if you've had in
any encounter if you have any any
encounters with psychedelics at all some
people's talking about when it comes to
sound Kris garner says on shrooms I
sense it's like a feeling harmonic
rather than it being audible but I don't
think it's similar you talk about being
able to feel the music that's one thing
that what people talk about doing magic
mushrooms or psilocybin or something
like that that they move into this state
where they can actually feel the music
versus hearing it and in if you know
feeling the the notes that are being
played but also the intention as well
have you had any encounters with
psychedelics when it comes to that
actually I happened but I've had a
couple of friends of mine say that my
music takes on a whole different
dimension when they listen to it under
the influence my brother used to say man
I listen to music and I know you want
drugs and you write this I'm like no I
am not on any kind of drugs when I write
any of this stuff it just all comes from
my mind so I don't I don't take any any
psychedelics or anything although I
thought about it periodically but I
worry about things like flashbacks and
stuff like that which is which is one of
the big reasons why I never tried
anything like you know acid yes I I've
always read about people having
flashbacks under duress and under stress
and stuff like that and so that's always
prevented me from trying that just cuz I
want to take the risk of having that
kind of thing happen yeah yeah that's a
big fear that a lot of people have to
get over before they still do it but
it's a good fear you know yeah
it said there's a such thing as a
healthy fear it's a fear for a reason
it's oh it's a phobia that people have
to get over for a reason you know yeah
it's an exchange like okay I'm gonna try
it you know but you have a lot of stuff
that looks like it's about the astros
about space and I know that kind of
comes with the you know the type of
music that you're doing that's real I'm
saying ambient and and stuff and it's
dealing with space now if we're talking
about intention like there's certain
music that you can play that can help
induce trance States we're talking about
this you know these churches that are
playing the different music and even
like every Sunday morning when you're
clapping the drums are being played like
music is so powerful it has the ability
to put you in those states do you
experience that through your music is
that an intention that you put that if
people want to they can do that or is it
just kind of like because there's a lot
of different imagery that's used here
with which space and even one of them
one of the album's you just put out uh
it's called defining gravity for
beginners and there's just a bunch of
stuff about you know I'm saying the
ether and stuff like that is that
something that you've have had
experience with or you want to create a
space for people to experience well if I
was cited one of the things that I would
probably do would be to do a lot of
stargazing because I've always been
fascinated with outer space and the
planets and and things that are beyond
the galaxy and you know that's so a lot
of my stuff is inspired by by
astronomical phenomena mm-hmm but in
terms of whether my intention is to is
to allow someone to feel something like
that I guess usually my thought is I'm
gonna write about what I feel and people
are going to use it to go on whatever
journey they feel it will it will take
them on
yes it's powerful and then like would
you have in these you know inspirations
whether it's you know I'm saying
Nancy Ryan's story like music can create
a portal for people to experience those
realms you know and I'm finding the same
thing what's you know I have a lot of
lyrics in my in my music so it's a
little bit different as far as like I'm
you know I'm doing the hip-hop so there
is an intention there but it's so
interesting where people are able to
listen to the music and kind of go on
that journey with you and it is an
intention base to create a spiritual
experience in it goes forth and it does
that you know that's it's pretty
powerful yeah is your music on iTunes
actually yeah it's of some of it's on
iTunes and it's also on Amazon and
Spotify not all of it but some of it is
that the really long albums like the
drone excursions and my collaborations
those are all in on Bandcamp but the
albums that have a lot of shorter tracks
are on Amazon and iTunes and stuff like
that awesome and you can look it up by
just typing Scott Scott Lawler l8w lor
yeah if you would like I can try to get
those links together for you and send
those to you so that you can put them in
the in the show notes yeah I definitely
have your Bandcamp link as well on here
now have it pulled up so yeah but I can
get you the out right gets you the
Amazon and yeah if you want to send me
all the links over that'd be cool we'll
put them in the show notes for people to
check out okay I can do that
now what about I know this is softer
music it's more ambient it's beautiful
music well what about you know I'm
saying like darker music like a heavy
metal or rock and roll do you get into
any of that at all I like to listen to
stuff like that I don't really write a
lot of stuff like that although I did do
a couple of a couple of mountains where
I covered the early music of Pink Floyd
oh wow the solo that that was pretty
interesting
but I find that I had a lot of songs on
here man
yeah a lot of albums the the album's
that cover the Pink Floyd material got
from that right at my computer so I
can't tell you right off the top my
horse pills are you know the name of it
well one of them one of them is called
the Dark Descent and up to reassemble er
I think that came out in like 2015 maybe
it's pretty well down the page but I
find that a the stuff the music that
seems to be the most popular is um is
stuff that has is more improvisational
and not stuff that I spend a lot of time
mixing and layering oh wow yeah yeah so
it seems that I have more of an appeal
for the stuff that's just improvised
right off the top of my head probably
because it's maybe it's more meaningful
because once you get into doing a lot
well at least in my case when I get into
creating a lot of layers and doing all
this mixing I wonder if it loses some of
the some of the meaning and the humanity
to it if that makes it a little that
makes any sense or not yeah yeah you
know I'm real big on that like I know
what's good on my vocals you know you
can definitely over produce it yeah you
can you can under produce it as well you
know yeah there's some times I hear you
know hip-hop music or whatever and
they're just like one vocal take
straight through and it's good or
whatever but I'm I like to layer my
stuff and put little Easter eggs and
ambiences and whispers in the background
and it's so funny we even were talking
about psychedelics I've I've listened to
some stuff that like I don't know if
it's the mushrooms doing it or if it's
really there but you can hear different
layers that sound like they're recorded
in the music that you couldn't hear
without it and it's like it's
really a track of this lady singing and
she's whispering it to me because it's
it definitely sounds like you can hear
it when you're on you know I'm saying
that level but I like to actually put
that stuff in my music and people who
have an ear for it they can hear you
know the different pans panning this 45
right 45 left and this this is in the
middle and all of those stuff that's
really it makes it sound like it's in
stereo and it just creates this this
whole atmosphere so you know in the
blueprint and it's somewhere in the
middle as always you know yet sometimes
adding those little subtle effects here
and there can make a huge difference in
the perception that that person has
about the music like there's one out
might have with meadow drone owes I've
got this song called the art of cutting
which is it's done with nothing but
voicemails from a friend of mine
I didn't lose any synthesizers or
anything in my album and this particular
track it's a pretty dark track where she
was talking about how she used to cut
herself and she was in different mental
institutions and pain clinics and stuff
like that and so I just took all these
four scenarios with her permission
obviously and created this really creepy
dark ambient drone track that has it
actually has you can understand what
she's saying with the vocals but I also
made them so that it it sounds like this
weird whispering in the background of as
if she had old as if you could hear a
little of different voices that were
inside her head telling her cut herself
and some of us it was pretty creepy
well yeah chance man I'll send you the
link to that I hope it was it's
interesting you have one here you have
one here that's it's a the title of the
album and the and the song titles are a
bit strange
but anyway this this album is entitled
religious extremists facilitate
annihilation of an otherwise cultured
and ordered orderly society and each
track is about or inspired by religious
extremism the cult of Islamic extremists
is a blemish on the face of humanity as
the name of the first track and it just
goes down it seems like it's a sentence
or a paragraph in each each song this is
a piece of that paragraph
what is this man for a long for a little
while I got into some from some social
socio-political protest
albums and stuff like that and that was
just a phase I was in for a while like
it's luckily probably for a good thing
for a lot of people that I'm not doing
actual system you know you go through
phases in your career and I was I was in
a I I think that was a probably a pretty
dark time for me actually when I was
doing some of the more politically were
you listening to the lyrics or just or
just listening to the news I mean what
what inspired that that that realm that
kind of had no say to mine I think it
was just listening to the news and all
that kind of which I don't do so much
anymore which is a good thing yeah
actually these days cuz the news and
stuff is just it's just too too much now
but I had succumbed to the to the trap
of little getting involved with
listening to the media and and all the
different news broadcasts and things
that were going on or stuff like that
and my response to things like it like
they usually are is to just write music
about whatever it is yeah so that phases
luckily behind me I don't I don't intend
to do any more of the socio-political
kind of things because I think that that
kind of thing can also be a little bit
alienating
yeah you know that for those yeah and
vomiting this man I don't care if it's
alienating or not so I'm just gonna do
what I want to do yeah I know it's like
you know what does that really serve how
does that how does that really serve
people taking up you know that taking up
the political mantle of protesting and
stuff like that so I just don't do that
anymore so yeah that behind me I had a I
had a I had a streak of that it's
usually when you first wake up to the
fact that this stuff exists and you're
like what this exists in the world and
you've seen it everywhere and you
listening to it you see it you like and
if you're an artist if you're a painter
it's gonna come out in your paintings if
you're a rapper it's gonna come out in
your lyrics and if you're one who just
creates music it's gonna you're gonna be
inspired to do something about it or
whatever and you want to tell people hey
this is going on and you don't know I
mean in any facet whether you become a
Christian or a you know religious zealot
or whatever you want to tell everybody
you're just finding out about it and a
lot of people go through that like you
said it can be alienating that's that's
the bad thing about it you can burn
bridges and burn friendships because you
desire to tell the truth or let people
know something that you that is
important to you because it's brand new
it's brand new to you you just found out
about it and a lot of people go through
that and burn bridges and relationships
because of it - yeah I think that I mean
the intention isn't to burn Road bridges
and shadow relationships yeah and that's
one of the byproducts of of doing that
kind of thing yeah that's what they say
about religion and politics man and then
when we add we're doing both those and
still be civil yeah yeah not yeah and
have a civil conversation and I feel
like you're the only one who is right
that's a big one yeah yeah or feeling
like you either have to go on the attack
because you're right or feel that you're
being attacked because you're being
challenged yeah
yeah so but see a lot of people I just
don't talk like especially politics I
don't talk politics with a lot of people
anymore
now religion is a different thing out oh
I'll do that but the political things I
try not to really engage in that as much
I'm not as I'm not always successful I'm
human I I'll stray into that sometimes
but yeah I know I'm saying that's not to
be kindness not to yeah but it'll still
happen because we're all human when we
can just do the best we can so you're
talking about coming out of religion or
whatever I just coming from coming from
a religious background strict religious
background didn't really want to be
there but you're still inspired by those
stories especially you're talking about
maybe even being into maybe the allegory
of the story's now and the deeper
meaning that is hidden within them
stories especially when you talk about
Jonah and the Whale and they're like
nope if the Bible says that I believe it
Jonah a little literal man named Jonah I
got ate by a whale and lived to tell
about it you know verses okay this is
talking about when I'm going through
hardships and I'm I'm in a situation
where it looks like I have no way out
how do I get out of these situations
we'll call upon God my higher power
trust my intuition I mean all those
stories are actually full of that stuff
and then the powers in the allegory
because I'm seeing here you have an
album called radiance of the light and
it looks like it it's inspired by the
birth of Christ or even the one of the
songs here I love the I love both these
names really the opening of the prison
to them that are bound is one and the
other one is splendor of eternal light
like so it's still like an inspiration
of the essence of those stories you're
getting inspired from right yeah back in
December I released I released four
albums around the themes of Advent
because I've I've always been inspired
by the Advent stories and even the
Easter stories I've got a set called
desert nocturnes
ambient excursions for the season of
Lent which is an album that I wrote back
in 2016 where I wrote one song for each
day of
lend for that year no I near the end I
was running out of ideas so not so
there's 40 is there 40 tracks on that
album well the the original album had
all 40 tracks on one album and then a
like a year maybe two years later it was
two years later back in 2018 I
remastered all 40 tracks and released it
as nape volume set because I felt it was
probably more manageable for people to
get five tracks as opposed to a whole
album of 40 tracks which equaled about
24 hours of music yeah so that was the
marketing a marketing error on my part
when I first released that but I wanted
to remaster them anyway a little bit so
now it's eight albums with each each
album having five tracks that's cool you
got a big body of work man and so
there's a lot of people who want to get
started at doing something like that
whether it's working on music or
creating a website or starting their own
business or whatever their hobby is and
turning it into a full-time business or
something getting paid to do what they
love for a living they don't know what
where to start and it's just doing you
know just taking it one day at a time
and putting start with your first song
and be consistent right cuz you get
could you wait you got a huge catalogue
I do too but it has to start with that
first note that first song right one
thing that I did that that might
actually help other people who want to
be musicians is I didn't just create a
band camp page and start uploading my
stuff right away my Bandcamp page didn't
actually come into existence until like
2015 but it might look like this I've
had stuff on the earlier because I've
got the original release dates of the
earlier albums on there so so I've got
stuff that was from 2013 and 2014 they
weren't uploaded to be in camp until
like 2015 but I put the actual release
date on on the album but what I started
doing - to start out with was
submitting things to different
compilations on other internet levels
and I felt by doing that it was a good
way to get a to start out trying to get
a broader audience because more people
are probably gonna listen to a various
artists compilation and some dude they'd
never heard of yep and so i released i
started submitting to a lot of different
compilations that i've taken actually
all those tracks from different
compilations and I've got this set of
compilation sets that I that I'm
releasing over time that take all the
tracks from a certain year that I
submitted to compilations in that year
and I have them in one album and it also
includes bonus material that was
recorded in that same year yeah so about
two of those now I've got the year of
the snake from 2013 I think it's the you
see 2014 was the year of the goat maybe
I think I was trying to go about the
Chinese zodiac I've got like three more
to release because I'm not doing
compilations anymore just cuz I got so
much to other stuff I'm doing with
collaborating and those kinds of things
now when you do a collaboration what
would you do like as far as in the music
do you just do a couple layers and maybe
some you know as far as like yeah I
guess rhythm is concerned if it was
looked at that and somebody else could
comes in plays like some lead piano over
it or something like that or guitar how
does that work with you when you do a
collab like that
well usually what I'll do is I'll create
a create a layer of something usually a
drone layer or some sort and I'll send
it to the collaborator that I want to
work with you know using weed transfer
you do sometimes I use Dropbox yeah and
then that person will will mix something
into to what I recorded and they'll send
it back to me and I might even add
something additional on top of that and
send it back to them and we just keep
going that way back and forth until
we're both happy with the album and then
I'll release it
yeah we do that with you with um hip-hop
right so us but I do like spiritual
esoteric hip-hop and stuff so I'm able
to work with people all over the world
essentially by sending them an email
with the mp3 in it they download it
record their vocals send it back to me
send me the stems and let me mix it down
throw my effects on it and mix it master
it the way I want and it's just so it's
so cool
the power of the internet again and then
the power of just simply networking
because like you said now you're tapping
into a fanbase of however many people
they have they may have seven fans they
may have 70,000 fans it's different but
each time they're you're putting
yourself in front of people who you know
I'm saying would have never been able to
found you find you and that's kind of
how I built my music working with people
and even I've had to pay people like hey
you're a big name here's 200 bucks you
know let's do this feature and now I
have an audience because their audience
is waiting for new material from that
guy and they look kind of go on the song
with them and Dugan la who is this and
they want to know more and they just you
just put it in front of them so just the
power of networking with the music that
I've done in the podcast and stuff like
that and that's just that's just the
name of the game for me man especially
with using the Internet is that your
fingertips really right yep that's how I
do it that's an example of using the
Internet in a positive way with other
people and in stuff like that it's
pretty cool the Internet has really made
us a global community in some senses
mm-hmm
we do have a question from John Santiago
here good friend of mine chat his
question he says he's curious about how
you view life shapes people animals etc
was he completely blind from birth
how does he visualize the world well hi
John yes I've I was born blind I was
actually born three months premature and
so the the reason I'm blind is because
they gave me too much
which damaged the optic nerves so how do
I view the world mostly by listening
feeling and you know listen to hearing
and touch those kinds of things I don't
know if that is his question but yeah
yeah well I'm just just being conscious
a while ago cuz I because honestly I
didn't I didn't know you were blind when
we did the park when we were we were
setting up the interview yeah and and I
noticing and you you told me I just
noticed the way you were holding the
camera and just where you were looking
and you were you were navigating through
your house pretty good yeah
and then I told you that I told you to
turn the phone sideways and I said like
a rectangle does that mean this I mean
how does that come across sir cuz I mean
it's far he said shapes you know the
universe and a rectangle is a shape did
you know what I was saying when I when I
would say that do you learn to someone
explain what what that shape would look
like how does that work as well well
that's just a matter of coming in
contact with the shapes just a Mehnaz
but when you said turn to fold like a
rectangle I assumed you meant turned it
turn it like sideways yeah that the
rectangle is is the long ways not yeah I
know right
okay there's a rectangle either way you
turn yeah but no just like you know
anyone else who's learning about their
world and exploring it's the same thing
but just without the one component of
vision or physical sight I should say
even though it it's you know some type
of disability you've been able to live a
full life you've went to college or you
met you you have children correct yep
three kids three kids married yep
married with kids three say from that
stay-at-home dad gets to do what he
loves for a living that's awesome man
yes it's pretty cool have you have do
you try to try to you know reach out to
to any other other people like in that
community is there other you know I hope
you unlock communities for everything
right for every niche or whatever is
there like a blind community that are
into music or just a blind community
that you're a part of at all well there
is a blind community in general and I
have collaborated with some some people
who are visually impaired in music a
little bit here and there um but in
terms of a needs to in terms of any
local community like that I'm not aware
of one but this is a pretty small little
town in Texas it's more of a little
bedroom community and Denton which is
right over which is right across the way
as a college community so they probably
have more of a a diverse population than
we would have here now are you are you
still actually getting out to go to go
do live shows and stuff or was that just
something in college that you did a lot
of oh no I haven't done a live show in
years and years that was only when I was
at Ohio I would play coffee shops under
one coffee shop I played at the
proprietor paid me in coffee beans like
you know system I'll take any kind of
payment so I got like nine pounds of
coffee so that one gig nice pretty cool
good deal yeah some people would love
that man yeah let's see so there's
another question here from renessa who's
who and I we kind of touched on this a
little bit but uh she's asked do you
experience spiritual things and a more
heightened senses senses of awareness I
guess um probably not I wouldn't I
wouldn't think so because the spiritual
experiences wouldn't be dependent on
what lack of a physical sense you have
I wouldn't I would yank anyway I think I
think we you know we talked about it at
the beginning just a little bit like the
the different preconceived notions that
people have that and I've you know I've
seen documentaries of like you know
blind kids riding their bike and they're
able to make clicking sounds and ride
their bike anywhere they want because
they're able to kind of feel the
vibration that almost like a bat would
do and be able to you know I'm saying
navigate by by doing I don't know if
you've heard about that but um people
have that preconceived notion that if if
you know I'm saying one of your senses
is dulled or you lose it then then you
get better at operating or either you're
more sensitive to the other ones and I
think a lot of people believe that but
you're saying that's not quite true
right because if we're taught my
spirituality I think a lot of people
would think about ESP the extrasensory
perception that that you will get just a
little bit more sensibility when it
comes to the other ones because you you
you know I'm saying lack sight or
whatever being able to feel get those
chill bumps you know feel when
something's present or whatever the case
is feel the intention of music so
there's no extra you know lenience upon
that right it's just kind of normal like
everyone else yeah it's normal like
everyone else and those documentaries or
they talk about people who like can ride
bicycles and do the clicking thing I
think that's an exception because I
don't know anyone who could do that
myself yeah and I think the danger in
creating those kinds of documentaries is
it makes that kind of a thing look and
or appear more mainstream and more
prevalent than it really is like you
were talking about daredevil earlier to
robably you know watches something like
that I think you know those things we
watch those and we're like yeah you know
you can hear better than us or whatever
but you don't you don't think that's the
case at all huh no thanks that's
interesting that pops a lot of paradigms
for a lot of people because we've
definitely have been led to believe that
from television you know
yeah well paradigm poppy
is a good thing because it gets you out
of your comfort comfort zone it makes
you consider things a little different
yeah yeah
and that's always that's always a good
thing so yeah I appreciate you coming on
hanging out with me man if you have a
direct link that you want to send
somebody to and we'll put all the other
links in the show notes but it's a
website or something that you'd like
people to go check out your stuff at
approaches like being camp that's um
HTTP colon backslash no however then
your max ass backslash : yeah it's a
Scott Lawler
that's SCO TT l aw lor dot band camp
that's be a nd CA MP calm and I've got
links here I've got a YouTube channel so
I've got a link to that and I've got a
link to my Twitter now I don't have like
iTunes and Amazon and all that stuff
linked up there yet I should put that on
there but I don't have it on there yet
but I'll send you those links for the
show notes for sure man do you do a lot
of interviews I try to yeah I've done I
did a couple of interviews last year and
one guy had interviewed with last May he
wants to do a follow-up interview with
me probably in May again so yeah I do
some interviews sometimes have you
thought about going live and just
playing live like you would a show like
going live on Facebook or YouTube
anything like that for the audience
maybe dope well I don't have a webcam
and I'm not sure what's off right isn't
your software called is it called outbox
or some OBS that's what I will be yeah
yeah yeah how accessible all that stuff
is well you could do it it would just
just through your phone as well now so
they have it they have those apps
updated now where you can go directly
live on YouTube or Facebook just
straight through your phone without you
know some big presentation or whatever
the case is I have friends who do that
and they get hundreds of people watching
every day every time they go live
okay I hadn't really thought about going
live on something like Facebook or um or
YouTube but it might be something to
think about
especially you said it's been you know
it's been a long time since you've done
any live shows or whatever and you know
you have live commentary and people are
able to hang out with you while you're
playing or while you're working on music
and it just adds a whole nother aspect
to it you know well actually a lot of my
albums the the advent albums we were
talking about earlier those are all live
performances for one I from when I was a
DJ on the internet awhile ago so I would
I would play these live performances
over the net oh okay cool yeah just all
improvising off the top of my head no
rear Sol or whatever and so you have the
advent albums away a lot of the desert
nocturnes series is that way no all
those but a lot of them and I was I
longer songs when you would do that was
this like one long song or did you break
them up no they'd be just one like one
long song I'd play for maybe 20 30
minutes yeah it would just be one track
but I haven't played like that for a
while because I haven't been a DJ since
2016 what the middle because my heart
just wasn't in doing the podcast anymore
and I didn't want to be one of these
people who just did it out of obligation
you know I hope I hope that's not me
yeah oh man I appreciate you coming on
man I really enjoyed this conversation
and your your your music is beautiful
especially the one that you know really
landed this interview that we're doing
is the one with Nancy Rimes that one
right there that that's the first one I
listened to and I'm in love with that
man so make sure you guys go check out
his band camp he's all over the place
everywhere that you know music is sold
and and YouTube and all that stuff but
definitely check out soul journey
inspired by Nancy Ryan's her story that
uh had her on the podcast so yeah have
you had a chance to talk to her we've
sent a couple of messages back and forth
on Facebook I follow her page on
on that platform so we've talked a
little bit but not very much cuz she's
pretty busy and I know I think she's
working a new book yeah yeah yes he is
um is there any certain like television
shows that you would watch or listen to
that covered in DES and stuff like that
because there's a lot of spiritual shows
out there that really specialize in or
even podcasts that would make you you
know you know that you're able to find
you know these type of stories or
whatever
Nancy Rhines and so many other ones
there's one there's some there's some
Christian ones out there there's one
called it's supernatural which Sid Roth
and there's always stories of people
having near-death experiences and angels
and all this kind of stuff showing up is
there any any shows or podcasts or
anything that that kind of inspires that
that you're really into yeah there's
some other podcasts that are that that
um focus on those topics one of them is
we don't die radio with Sandra Champlain
that's a good podcast there are what
there's some I can't remember the rest
of them because I'm not right at my
computer but there are a lot of
different podcasts on iTunes that you
can get to that cover those kinds of
topics any coast-to-coast I am be into
that at all was over
that's old isn't it hey they're still
going oh okay yeah it's a different new
hosting it now cuz art bells going yeah
yeah there's a new he's changed his
cosmic address yeah yeah someone says I
get messages I don't
I forget who told me that but somebody's
like all right bill followed you on
Facebook or art bell followed you or
somewhere tweeted yourself I'm like
really it showed me I didn't know he did
like I really want to know but uh yeah
not I was like here's a legend man but
um even I'm even George Noory who's the
host now but there's still some good
good stories on there especially you
know I'm send a paranormal supernatural
all that kind of stuff so you get into
aliens and UFOs in it at all cuz I know
you're you know you're really intrigued
by space what about the aliens and UFO
stuff um
now I'm not really into that so much
although I but it doesn't make sense to
me that we're the only intelligent
life-form out there so I would think in
this vast universe there's gonna be more
than just us but in terms of alien
visitations and UFOs and all that I
really haven't been interested in a
whole lot of that for sure man well hey
I really appreciate this interview man I
enjoyed it and you take care and let me
know when you put out something new man
will be will be glad to share it out
well thank you for having me on the show
I appreciate it all right Scott thanks
again brother okay welcome later Scott
Lawler ladies and gentlemen good stuff
soul journey inspired by the near-death
experience of Nancy rinds and so I had
Nancy on the show a month ago or so
maybe maybe a little bit more now but I
had her on the show and he it's part of
her email list she sent out the email of
the interview he watched it and he just
has an album inspired by her work and
he's like hit me up wanted to come on
the show and talk about it I checked out
his music it's beautiful stuff I love it
that when I played the religious one
someone said it just sounds crazy the
frequency well maybe that's the idea
like if you try if you have an idea of
confusion right I mean that whole you
know religious extremism and bombs over
Baghdad and all this of this confusion
so you would think that if you're doing
an album inspired by that it would sound
dark and heavy and nasty and mechanical
even you know so but listening to two
more his his other stuff is like you
know we're saying real beautiful he says
light ambience and dark ambience so
there's a difference there you could
definitely feel it we talk about the 432
frequency you can feel the difference of
a lighting ambience in the dark ambience
and if you guys haven't tried that man
definitely try it out listen to your
favorite song or maybe listen to a
depressed
song a song that you know when you hear
it it makes you feel bad
listen to it in the 432 frequency and it
makes you feel a certain type of way
even though they're speaking about
depressing lyrics it's something about
the music with that uplifting vibration
that it holds to it it's really cool
that is kind of weird though because I
know we all had that preconceived notion
and even like I'm reading here in the
chat where people thought and would
think that you know if you can't see
then you can hear better and we've all
we've all thought that he said no
because I know even for me music sounds
different at night for me music sounds
different at night when we're taking a
road trip or driving in the car it's it
feels like I'm in tune with you know the
different frequencies when I'm able to
hear more because there's less sunlight
coming in or something I really feel
that way like I really like music sounds
so different at night to me but you know
maybe it and here's the thing for him
maybe it does he just doesn't have a
comparison like he said oh yeah he
doesn't know what music sounds like to
you and that's the whole thing with the
spiritual gifts and spiritual identities
is it and it becomes hard to find out
that you you can even move in those
areas because it's second nature
it's second aitt you don't think you
don't look at it as spiritual or I'm
good at this and you're not you I'm a
prodigy or whatever because it just
comes second nature a lot of times when
with all my spiritual giftings and
abilities that stuff comes through by
the use of your imagination
you've had your imagination since you
were born and you're picking up
frequencies and having thoughts and then
entertaining weird ideas and that's how
spirit speaks that's how you pick up on
that stuff is through the imagination
God speaks through the imagination so
it's second nature we talk about these
ideas that I'm entertaining every day
are inspired by the divine
I thought it's just my mind wandering
that's what it feels like until you step
out and you start speaking that stuff
out or writing it down or asking someone
hey did you have a son named so-and-so
or whatever I didn't you're like wow hey
there's something to this then you start
stepping out further and farther that's
how this that's how that stuff works I
mean we talked about speaking in tongues
like there was this lady years ago at a
prayer meeting we used to attend it was
a little Chinese lady and so cute her
name was Maria and she uh people would
be speaking in tongues and she could
interpret them she heard she already
knew the interpretation like when they
would speak it like it was being
communicated with her what they were
saying in English and she just assumed
we and it was just through conversation
she was talking about what so-and-so
said in tongues and we're like we didn't
we didn't hear that she's like what she
she told us she has an interpretation
she didn't even know that was a thing
the interpretation of tongues she just
knew people spoke spoke in tongues and
she knew what they were saying and she
assumed that everybody did because it
was second nature she they spoke it she
heard it a different way she thought
everybody could and that's one thing
about it you you have to step out in
faith and ask and and kind of maybe put
your ego aside your flesh aside and ask
them somebody an embarrassing question
is there anybody here with a neck neck
pain is there anybody in this room that
has splitting migraines you're plagued
by migraines now you have to step out to
do that it's like what you want to know
like why that's weird especially if
you're in a room of people in there like
no no that's weird
who's this weird guy asking if people
have migraines is he trying to sell
something is he a weirdo what's up but
usually you have to step out and then
that's when you see you step out in
faith you see a miracle happen you see
something change
you see breakthrough you ask someone do
they need prayer
and you pray for them and they get
healed well you're such an introvert you
ain't fixin to ask nobody for nothing
you do despise human contact but God is
working on your heart when you go to
Walmart and say hey that person is
dealing with domestic violence and
domestic abuse I need you to tell her
that I still love her now I'm not
telling her that I'm not telling her
that you just did a fear of rejection
the anxiety sits in but you have these
ideas you want to be a miracle worker
you want to do great and mighty things
for God but if you don't step out and
just tell this person you can't tell
that person I love them
like we should be doing that by default
really hey God loves you
God loves you I know those people they
love to have those conversations with
strangers I get intimidated too at times
it's easier for me to sit here and do
this or to speak from a stage somewhere
versus that one-on-one random stranger
conversation but that's what you see the
miracles work and anybody can get do it
when you get a microphone when you're on
stage just when you come off the stage
that's what the real ministry takes
place and everybody can do that
second nature just and I'm telling all
the spiritual gifts we're looking for
some really crazy breakthrough and some
divine you were looking for the clouds
to part hey tell them that I'm coming
soon or something crazy like no it
doesn't work like that it works with you
having a vision in your imagination of
the sky parting and a voice coming
through or seeing God and you have to
translate that articulate it and share
it your vision your dream that's how it
works it's all second nature and it's
one thing at a time building your faith
because once you step out and the little
things the little hey God loves you
really in days just murmur under their
voice or say no you know you don't
there's no such thing as God or nobody
could love me why would you do which
well you know why are you unlovable some
people say okay thank you
and they just walk
okay whatever who knows what that does
for them maybe they sit in their car and
they think about it
like whether they're poised there that
happens a lot to a lot of people look at
you crazy because they're because
they're they don't want to make a scene
they don't want to feel oh my god you
know about the things that I was doing
when I didn't think nobody saw me but
you know about these things it's weird
when you come in to contact with someone
like that you want to deny it I wasn't
doing such things no when you sometimes
you get called out no it wasn't me that
was another person whatever it is but
you you find that when you have when
when you have an encounter like that and
people respond it builds your faith when
you pray for somebody and they get
healed when you pray for someone and
demon comes demons come out of him I
knew people who had casting out demons
in a freaking Olive Garden like in
putting random people my demons would
manifest it's because they were walking
in such a level of holiness that the
darkness couldn't comprehend it
it couldn't be around them but they were
gonna go eat Olive Garden and they had
encountered there and then you start
growing from one level of faith from
glory to glory one level to the next and
be entrusted with greater things again
the financial levels we always talk
about God can trust you with 50 dollars
he's nothing to trust you with five
thousand fifty thousand so beneath that
says someone asked in the discord
have we had any supernatural events
lately I couldn't respond at the moment
but the answer is yes every day is
supernatural it's just that we expect
this spectacular every moment every
moment is is sacred all life is sacred
every man focusing on your breathing
prayer just showing up to spiritual as
you make it or says dull and monotonous
as you make it as well it's up to you
you decide
I enjoyed this conversation again I did
not I didn't know that he was blind
whenever we started this does it change
anything I I don't want to offend anyone
with was you know I don't I mean we we
know a lot of disabled people and my
wife works with disabled children for
for her living that's what she does and
it doesn't change anything but you wanna
it just makes you more conscious of the
conversation I mean I wouldn't want to
offend anyone on the show whether you
have a sexual preference or a spiritual
belief like I wouldn't want to be on
here rambling and just mocking your
belief or speaking but you speak to him
like a regular person try to articulate
it in such a way where you can explain
it and get to get the point across so it
was it was it was interesting really
enjoyed it though he's a really cool guy
and I'm telling you the music is good go
there if you're looking for meditation
music you just go to his you can just go
to his band camp it's all there with
that I'm gonna say uh peace and Shalom
love each and every one of you guys and
we will do it again I got a bunch of new
stuff that I'm working on I'm working on
angelic chorus right now about how to
get in touch with your guardian angel
and I'm trying to be obedient as the
information comes through to write it
down and then be practical about what I
do to connect what I do to commune and
putting it out as a course also we have
our Thursday night school school of the
Mystics which is tonight we're gonna be
doing a hangout roundtable discussion
having fun with the community through
video chat if you want to do that the
link is in the description as well come
to our discord that's community where we
just do life and then every Sunday we've
already started the the Sunday morning
stare class what we're just going to do
breathwork holotropic breathing guided
meditation and really just going into
the ethers together we talk about it we
give instructions we interview people
but this is something an online class
where we get to go in together and I'm
looking forward to it with that I'm say
peace and Shalom I love y'all if y'all
want to hang out with me jump in the
discord let's hang out let's talk about
it
peace peace
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